#alice gulliver

[lilmissmack]

My god this show was really Maiden MOTHER Crone. The double meanings are back. It’s obviously for Hecate Greek goddess of witchcraft but also a journey of womanhood, for Agatha.

Agatha starts as just a maiden, she’s fresh faced and a new lady when she kills her coven, her only coven.

Mother, she becomes a mother and a damn good one at that. She leaves a trail of bodies for Rio, as an offering, as a distraction who knows. Who cares. Everything she does she does it for her child. Just like Lorna Wu, just like Wanda Maximoff. And ironically unlike her own mother.

Crone, how she ends up. Yeah she’s a ghost but she’s visibly older, grey haired and also, looking a lot like her mother. Full circle omg I can feel my blood flowing again.

THANK YOU JAC YOU’VE CURED MY MARVEL DEPRESSION.

[i-hold-deaths-hand-in-mine]

the characteristics that describe how the others view Rio:

- Strong and wise, and the best at her craft (Lilia)

- Smart and not annoying, and also not super political (Agatha)

- Pleasant looking (Jen)

- Advil (Alice)

When they do the summoning spell, they summon "the best candidate around" meaning the closest witch who matches the descriptions that they give.

We know that Rio (the Original Green Witch) is strong, wise, and the best at her craft. She is obviously pleasant looking, and if you disagree, meet me in the Walmart parking lot.

Someone pointed out in a recent post that Vidal is an anagram of Advil (that's also what inspired me to make my own post about this).

Also, if Death brings your soul to the afterlife, then...well, shit, Rio is also "advil" in the sense of ending pain by bringing peace. Fuck you very much Jac Schaeffer, this hurts my soul. ETA: oh my fucking GODS bro Alice not seeing her mother brings her the most pain.......her advil would be being reunited with her mom in the afterlife, another layer to it.

Why the fuck is ADVIL of all things going so hard in this show?

As for Agatha's description...this means that she does not actually find Rio annoying. Agatha is so stupidly into Rio that she finds her shenanigans and constant death threats endearing instead of annoying.

I'm sure most of us already knew that just from watching their interactions, but I think it's really funny that the creators/writers added this in.

[spaceman-earthgirl]

“Agatha and Rio arrived at school together this morning,” Jen says by way of greeting, dropping her books on the table and joining Alice and Lilia.

Alice looks up, half intrigued, but Lilia keeps her head down, ignoring Jen except for a little wave in greeting.

It’s before school, and the staff room is mostly empty, giving them plenty of space to gossip before the school day starts. Though not a lot of time, the bell for first period is about to ring so they better make this quick.

“When you say ‘arrived together’ do you mean they got out of the same car, or just walked into the building together?" Alice asks.

Jen deflates a little. “I saw them walk into the building together.”

“Then that proves nothing,” Alice says, returning to her book too.

It’s been a hot topic of discussion over the last few months, what’s going on between the two of them, ever since Alice had seen them in the hallway together, Agatha laughing at something Rio said. 

The way Alice tells it, Rio even touched Agatha’s arm, but that detail was added after a few retellings so Jen isn’t so sure about that part.

Either way, ever since they noticed, they can’t stop speculating, because even just the few times Jen has seen them interact since, there’s definitely been a vibe.

Lilia has repeated on multiple occasions that she thinks they’re together, but they need proof.

And Jen is determined to find it.

---

“Someone sent Agatha flowers.”

Jen grins, Alice always gets the good gossip.

“Who are they from?” Jen asks. There’s a pile of homework she needs to grade before her next class but this is more important.

“I’m not sure, I was in the main office when they got delivered. I managed to sneak a look at the card but all it had on it was a little green heart.”

Jen thinks about this for a minute. “A secret admirer perhaps? Maybe even one who teaches biology a few doors down.”

“There’s no way to prove that,” Alice says, but she still looks on board with this information.

“What if we just ask Agatha?” Jen asks, keeping a straight face for as long as she can before she bursts out laughing, Alice, and even Lilia joining in.

“It’d be your funeral,” Alice says.

And Jen knows it would be.

Agatha is snarky and no bullshit and you always want her on your side in an argument. There’s no way she’s risking Agatha’s bad side.

When she’d first met Agatha, she’d wondered why someone like her would even want to be a teacher, and then she’d actually seen her with her students and she’d changed her mind. Agatha might be scary, but she has a way with kids that Jen didn’t expect.

Maybe it’s the no bullshit thing that kids respect, but whatever it is, the kids love Agatha and she seems to love them too.

But there is still no way she’d ever ask Agatha about her personal life. From what Jen can gather from their limited interactions is that Agatha is a private person, and she’s not going to question that.

She really hopes Agatha never finds out that their favourite way to spend their lunch break is gossip about her and the chemistry she clearly has with Rio.

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“I just saw Agatha and Rio having lunch together in Agatha’s classroom.”

They really don’t greet each other normally anymore, they just spill gossip. She hopes the other teachers don’t overhear them. Or if they do, they have gossip to contribute.

“I knew it,” Jen says, like that’s the proof they needed when in fact it proves nothing except the fact that they’re friends.

Which they knew already, so that’s not news. They've seen them together enough to know that they're friends, which only adds fuel to their speculation because Agatha doesn't have any other friends at school besides Rio.

“And they were sharing a sandwich,” Alice adds.

Ok, that might be something. 

“’Lady and the tramp’ style?” Jen asks, because that’s the first thought that pops into her mind when Alice says it and she also knows Alice will hate her question.

As expected, she gets a withering gaze in return. “No not ‘lady and the tramp’ style, they were sharing a sandwich like normal people do, Rio handed Agatha half of her sandwich, but that’s all I glimpsed as I walked by.”

“I mean, that’s kind of something I guess?” Jen says. “Lilia, back me up?”

Lilia barely looks up from the book she’s buried in. “You already know my opinion on the matter, but that alone proves nothing.”

“I’m adding that to the list of signs they’re dating,” Jen decides after some thought. It doesn’t really prove anything either way, but she’s going to figure it out.

---

“Guess who is chaperoning the school lock in tonight together?” Jen asks. She feels like this is good information.

“I’m guessing Agatha and Rio?” Alice answers, taking a carrot stick from the container Jen offers. 

“As well as about 10 other teachers,” Lilia pipes in, ruining the fun.

Lilia is still firmly in the camp of “they’re definitely together, and why bother gossiping about someone else’s personal life?” but even she sometimes gets involved. She’d been the one that noticed Rio wearing a shirt she swears up and down she’d seen Agatha wear before.

But maybe they just shop at the same place, so that proved nothing either.

“Are either of you two chaperoning?” Jen asks. When they were taking volunteers, she’d said no. She couldn’t think of anything worse than being locked in the gym overnight with a bunch of kids. 

Agatha doesn’t usually volunteer for school activities either, which is why this is a little suspicious.

“No,” Alice says as Lilia shakes her head.

Damn, she wishes she’d volunteered now, they might’ve gotten some good intel.

On Monday, they get no information from any of the other teachers because she’s pretty sure no one else is as invested as they are so that’s a bust.

---

Jen is halfway through her sandwich when Agatha walks into the staff room. She watches in surprise as Agatha crosses the room, takes a seat at the only empty table and pulls out her lunch.

“Do you think they’ve had a fight?” Alice asks, as quietly as she can. There’s no need to ask who she’s talking about, they all know.

They’re all fairly certain that Agatha and Rio spend every lunch break together, so why not today?

The logical answer is that she’s busy so Agatha is eating alone but gossip and speculation isn’t logical.

A couple minutes later, Rio walks in and the imaginative side of Jen’s brain runs away with her, to the point that by the time Rio has crossed the room, Jen is expecting a fight because in her mind they’ve broken up, but all Rio does is sit down next to Agatha and pull out her own food.

Jen deflates a little. Not that she’d wanted a fight, but it at least meant they might get some drama.

That doesn’t stop her from watching them though. As subtly as she can, of course. She can see Alice and Lilia doing the same, all three looking for clues to whether something is going on between them or not.

But it’s about as boring as watching anyone else each lunch. All they’re doing is talking and eating and Jen is just starting to wonder if maybe they’re reading too much into things when it happens.

Jen can’t see from where she’s sitting what Agatha is eating, but whatever it is, it must be messy enough for Agatha to get something on her face. Rio reaches out and wipes her thumb across Agatha’s lips, removing whatever food was there, before bringing the thumb to her own mouth to lick it clean.

Alice immediately clutches Jen’s arm, clearly just having seen it too.

They (again, subtly) watch in silence until Agatha and Rio get up and leave not long later, nothing else eventful happening after the incidentTM.

“Did you see that?” Alice asks as soon as Agatha and Rio are gone.

“That is not 'just friends’ behaviour,” Jen says, still in shock at what they’d witnessed. Maybe there was something to this after all.

“I mean-“ Alice starts, like she’s about to justify it.

“No. Do you ever do that with your friends?”

“No,” Alice says, her cheeks going red.

“Exactly. So we’re adding this to the list of evidence that they’re dating.” Not that that list is very long, but if they’re not dating, then they’re clearly into each other, evidenced not just by what Rio had done, but by the fact that Agatha hadn’t punched her afterwards.

---

It’s early, earlier than she’d usually arrive at school, but they have a school spirit event today so they’d all arrived early to set up their classrooms.

But before that, Jen needs coffee.

There are a few other teachers on campus, all trying to get an early start on the day, so she’s not surprised when they walk into the staff room and find they’re not alone.

What she very much is surprised by, however, is that the two people in the room are Agatha and Rio.

And they’re kissing.

It’s a fairly chaste kiss, as far kisses go, which is probably good considering they’re at school. But Agatha is pressed close to Rio, Rio crowded against the counter.

At least their hands are in appropriate places.

The noise of the door closing must alert them to the fact that they’re not alone as they break the kiss and turn towards the noise.

“Morning,” Rio smiles, giving a small wave. She makes no move to push Agatha away though and Agatha doesn’t move either. Agatha does give a flippant wave in their direction which Jen is assuming is also a hello.

Clearly, they don’t care that they’ve been caught because Rio turns back to Agatha, saying something too quietly for them to hear but whatever it is, Agatha laughs.

Jen will blame the lack of coffee and the fact that they’ve been speculating about this for months for her next words.

“You two are together?” Jen asks before she can stop herself. There definitely was a more tactful way to ask that but it’s too late.

“I told you,” Lilia says, as Agatha and Rio turn back to them, finally stepping apart. Lilia pays everyone no mind as she walks across the room and starts making herself a coffee.

Jen ignores her, too focused on the two women on the other side of the room.

Agatha looks mad now, which is a little scary, but Rio looks amused.

“Are you serious?” Agatha asks, voice gruff, and Jen is starting to have regrets. But they’re in this now, and there’s only one way to find out the truth.

“We just…” Jen looks to Alice for support, but she holds her hands up in a way that says ‘don’t make me a part of this’. 

Traitor.

“We’d just noticed you two spending a lot of time together and you obviously have chemistry so we couldn’t help wondering if something was going on.”

Rio looks even more amused, and there’s a slight quirk to Agatha’s lips too which means she’s at least not contemplating killing her right now.

“You know nothing exciting ever happens in Westview,” Jen adds, like it justifies their actions. “It was just idle gossip.”

“Well, Rio starts. “You know, I saw Agatha and I just couldn’t stay away. I’ve been trying to get her to go on a date with me all year, it was those sexy reading glasses that-

Agatha gives Rio a slight shove, pushing her away and cutting her off. Agatha still doesn’t look mad at least. “We’re married,” Agatha says with a roll of her eyes, but the look is directed at Rio.

“See, I just couldn’t stay away,” Rio grins, gesturing to Agatha. “All she did was ask me one little question and now I’m hers fore-“

“Stop,” Agatha cuts in, giving Rio another playful shove but she’s looking at Rio with such affection that no one could deny them being in love. “Or else you’re walking home.”

Rio holds her hands up in surrender with a grin.

“You’re married?” Jen finally asks, incredulous. She almost feels like she’s intruding on something.

How on earth did they miss that?

“We’ve been married for eight years,” Agatha supplies, looking a little annoyed again. It’s very clear that the annoyance is directed at them, and not Rio. “It’s not a secret, everyone knows.”

Jen’s mouth drops open. 

“Or we thought everyone did.” Rio says, taking Agatha’s hand, threading their fingers together. “We have a kid too, if that helps,”

Jen feels each new piece of information like a physical blow. She needs to lie down, this is too much this early in the morning.

They clearly missed a lot.

“Come on,” Rio says, giving Agatha’s hand a tug. “Let’s leave these guys to whatever it is they’ve got going on here.”

“Sorry,” Jen says, having the decency to look sheepish as Agatha and Rio walk past them.

Even more so when Agatha stops and turns to them. 

“Maybe next time, don’t gossip about people behind their backs. If you have a question, just ask.”

“You heard the lady,” Rio winks, tugging on Agatha’s hand once more and then they’re alone again.

Jen and Alice wait a few short moments, making sure Agatha and Rio are out of earshot before they turn to each other.

“Oh my God,” Jen says, at the same time Alice says “I thought Agatha might hit you there for a moment.”

“I told you so,” Lilia says, carefully setting down three cups of coffee on their usual table.

She’s a lifesaver.

“I’m sorry, you did,” Jen says, gratefully accepting the mug. “Next time, I’ll believe you.”

“I can’t believe we missed it, all this time,” Alice says, looking equally grateful for her drink.

“Technically we missed nothing, we thought something might be going on and we were right.”

Jen is sticking by the fact that they got this one right.

“Yeah,” Alice says. “But married for eight years is a little different than wondering if two people are dating.”

Jen waves her off. “Details. But don’t think I will forget that you basically threw me under the bus there.”

Alice is the one who looks sheepish now. “Sorry, but she’s scary.”

Jen won’t deny that. “So, who’s going to be our next source of gossip? We’re going to need something new to talk about.”

Alice rolls her eyes but doesn’t protest, which is either because she’s too tired this early, or because she wants the gossip too.

Probably both.

“What about your love life?” Jen teases, earning a glare from Alice that she knew was coming. So, what? It’s easy to wind her up.

“Don’t you dare,” Alice warns.

“Fine,” Jen laughs. She’s sure they’ll find something else to gossip about, at least for now they’ve solved the Agatha and Rio mystery. 

Which wasn’t really a mystery after all, because it was common knowledge.

Apparently they were just the last to find out.

[friendly-neighbourhood-wet-cat]

I was very tempted to put Sharon across the full evil row, but alas, you guys get the real version

[xmascritter]

You guys have no idea how happy I am Alice is finally getting some good fucking characterization, in the comics she was a cop in hong kong whos hair turned red/pink after her mothers death and shoots sometimes magical bullets, and now she is an ex mall security guard a la movie Mike Schmidt one of my favorite characters in marvel. the coral shore is no longer some vague location her mom was either from or protecting and we never get to see but instead her mom's kickass rock band. Instead of the magic powers being passed down by blood but only when the prior witch dies, everyone in the family has magic but the thing thats passed down through death is a curse thats also a metaphor for genrational trauma.

[marvelsgirl616]

alice i know what you are babes....

[agathasstrap]

OMG UR SO FUNNY! I HATE TO ASK BUT WOULD U MAKE MEMES OF THE COVEN REACTING TO TEEN IN LIKE ALL PARTS OF THE SHOW EVEN THE REVEAL?!

Aubrey Plaza, Kathryn Hahn, Sasheer Zamata, Patti Lupone, Ali Ahn + Agatha All Along Memes

[confusedacenb]

Just post show depression, mixed with utter amazement, I mean the ending and lead up ended up being obvious (referring to episode 8), but I really tried deluding myself into thinking they all were gonna live but wow... Something poetic also is just the ending with spirit as the guide and it being ghost Agatha but also like even with the whole coven two versus coven true being that only Billy and Jen technically made it off the road as the only two alive.

Also the literal kiss of death, but also still refusing to like be with death uh and Rio making her ex into a lovely patch of different plant and fungi species.

Agatha remaining as a ghost cause she can't handle facing her son knowing she twisted the song they used to sing together into something that was used as a con (like Alice Gulliver (may she rest in peace) stated in the second episode). Just the multiple layers of this show man I missed this kind of complexity and thought and love put into shows. Also thank you Lilia for protecting Agatha from a sink. Lilia once again being a real one may she rest in peace.

(also me *since that interview where I think Kathryn Hahn said like that Nicky was Rio's child as well cause Lady Death and Agatha were lovers and magic (may be a joke may not be)* the entire time the 9th episode): WoOw way to be a bad baby daddy Rio leaving ur lover twice in deeply traumatizing situations

(this is a joke)

[broody-yellow-pillow]

Well they didn’t stick the landing for me. I’m glad Jen lived. But they all deserved a much better last few eps than what they got. Agatha deserved better. Rio deserved better. Jen deserved better. Lilia deserved better. Alice deserved better. Teen ended up being the most important character in a show named Agatha All Along. I thought this show would be different.

[21loveatfirstsight]

Can i just say that i don’t give a single flying fuck about how “aaa is just a set up for wiccan” bs, i love the relationship between Agatha and Billy. It’s very rare and hard to build a relationship of two people who should be on the opposite side, but damn does this work so fucking well

[nataliahill1928]

Shipping comic ships where both of the people are in the movies but at least one of the characters is vastly different from their comic self and/or the 2 characters have never interacted/been in the same movie makes everything kinda awkward when explaining it to non-comic readers.

For example

Yukio and storm

America chavez and kate bishop.

Although I'm pretty sure quite a bit of noncomic readers know of their comic relationship more than other ships

Carol danvers and jessica drew

Kinda similar to amerikate one. I have seen a few caroljess arts with atsv jess

Jennifer walters and janet van dyne

I feel like most ppl would think I'm talking about Hope, but no, I'm talking about her mom. Big x little and for the mcu young x old

Now with the agatha all along coming out I can add

Wanda maximoff and Alice wu (gulliver?)

Their relationship isn't like the others on this, this is like their one interaction but I'll add them anyways

[hyperfixationsposting]

no lube, no protection, all night, all day, from the kitchen floor to the toilet seat, from the dining table to the bedroom, from the bathroom sink to the shower, from the front porch to the balcony, vertically, horizontally, quadratic, exponential, logarithmic, while i gasp for air, scream and see the light, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cow girl, doggy, backwards, forwards, sideways, upside down, on the floor, in the bed, on the couch, on a chair, being carried against the wall, outside, in a train, on a plane, in the car, on a motorcycle, the bed of a truck, on a trampoline, in a bounce house, in the pool, bent over, in the basement, against the window ...

[sayresse17]

Nouvelle Fan fiction Lilia X Reader

[gnawing-suspicion]

All I’m saying is

(Agatha Spoilers)

*

I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Alice, or even Sharon/Mrs. Hart. They didn’t have Alice break her generational curse and scream I’LL SEE YOU AT THE END three times just to dump her the next ep. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but the Road is full of tricks and trials!!!!

[aimmyarrowshigh]

if i can't reach you let my song teach you

[xmascritter]

RIP Alice Wu Gulliver aka Best Girl

2024-2024

Shoulda known it was too good to be true when you got a whole episode of television after being a very minor character in the comics.