#ahsoka meta

[gffa]

My favorite thing about Tales of the Jedi is just how scarily intense Anakin was in his training Ahsoka, that he was pushing her so hard she was getting shocked into unconsciousness for over an hour at a time, then he would haul her back up, face never losing its pinched intensity, she would wobble on her feet, clearly not stable yet, and he would make her go again.  And again.  And again. This is Anakin Skywalker, his love and his fear wrapped up in the same package.  He cares for Ahsoka, he sees potential in her, so he pushes her even until she starts to break a little, because he wants her to be ready to survive anything, he loves her, he wants her to soar as high as she can! But he also fears for her, because he doesn’t want to lose her, so he drives her harder and harder and harder, it doesn’t matter that she’s wobbling on her feet, it doesn’t matter that she still can’t see straight, she has to go again, because he needs her to survive. He wants her to learn how to protect herself, he wants her to find that fulfilment within herself, he’s training her to be able to survive anyone and anything.  But he’s also doing it because he’s scared, because he can’t live without her. Ahsoka will make the decision to walk away from everything she knows eventually, including him, and that may well have saved her life, because Anakin would cut down anyone who tried to stop him on that path, and he was so impossibly strong at the end there.  Her walking away from the Jedi and her life isn’t just getting her out of the way of Order 66--because that didn’t save her--but getting her away from Darth Vader. That’s the duality of knowing Anakin Skywalker.  Knowing him molds people into these incredible versions of themselves, but staying with him destroys them.  Everyone who ever loved Anakin died because of events surrounding him, except the one who walked away from him. He taught her to survive because he loved her, but he also taught her to survive because he was scared to lose her.  And Anakin’s fear is what destroyed so many, many people’s entire lives. This episode of Tales of the Jedi captures that in every moment of Anakin’s face as he trains her.  He’s intense, he’s at both extremes at the same time, his love and his fear, the good and the bad in him, are inextricable from each other and you see that illustrated so clearly in his relationship with Ahsoka.

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

ALSO OBI-WAN'S CONFRONTATION WITH VADER REINFORCES YET ANOTHER THEME THAT'S BEEN AROUND IN STAR WARS FOREVER: Luke could only save Anakin because Anakin let him - Luke's love wasn't greater than Padmé's, or Ahsoka's, or Obi-Wan's. They all confronted Vader at some point and offered him one form of forgiveness and compassion or another. Padmé was ready to run away with him, Ahsoka wouldn't leave him, and Obi-Wan was crying, telling him he was sorry. Vader only allowed Luke's love to pull him back rather than the others because he couldn't endure to face somebody who knew Anakin Skywalker telling him he was still loved - he knew he'd never be able to give them back the good man he killed, and to even try would be so painful (because it would mean facing all the horrors he committed) that he couldn't accept any reminder that he could still choose a better path. To him, that hand reaching out had to come from someone who never knew Anakin and loved him regardless.

[retailther4py]

i’ve noticed that whenever we see Satine she’s always “modestly” dressed/covered - which is a total contrast to many costumes of other characters:

and i think it would be interesting to write this as some sort of Mandalorian religious thing - like how Din Djarin and the Children of the Watch don’t take off their helmets, and don’t seem to uncover any other parts of themselves either.

of course Din and his people are religiously orthodox/extremist, so Satine’s situation would obviously be different - more like covering your head before going to mass and less like wearing a nun’s habit.

but it would still be really intriguing to paint Satine as religious, as following religious traditions - especially because she’s so devoted to Mandalore and it’s people. like…we’ve seen her wear low cut dresses and show her hands and her hair, but maybe as a sign of respect and modesty she keeps her arms and legs covered (we never see her arms and legs in any canon imagery)

and!! it would bring up an interesting layer to her dynamic with Obi Wan. Obi’s devoted to his religion and Satine is devoted to hers - but those religions have vast differences and few similarities.

you could play it like “their religious and cultural differences cause friction between them” or as “they’re aware of their differences and have a profound respect for each other” - and between the two, the latter seems much more plausible/in character.

just imagine

Obi Wan, during their year on the run, shielding her with his cloak so she could change clothes without any of her limbs being seen. Obi Wan quickly covering the exposed skin on her arms when bad guys attack and their weapons have ripped her sleeves. Or!!! Satine hiding injuries from Obi because she doesn’t want to break her promise, doesn’t want to reject the traditions of her people - when Obi eventually finds out he turns his back/separates them with a curtain, and talks her though cleaning the wounds.

Satine never “said the word” because no matter how much she loved Obi Wan, she’d never expect him to break his oath or turn his back on the code. because she knows how important being a jedi is to him. because she knows and understands how important his devotions are. He never once asked her to compromise her beliefs for him - and she’s not going to ask him to compromise for her.

[acewizardinspace]

People don’t think enough about the jedi council’s options in the wrong jedi arc. They can either:

A: Do nothing. Tell the public and the friends and family of the victims, “There is a ton of evidence for this person’s guilt, but she is one of us, we have known her since she as a baby, so we decided she is not guilty, without a trial. Bye.”

B: Hold your own trial. We don’t know exactly what kind of legal system the jedi might have, but there is no way in thousands of years there has never been a jedi accused of a crime. Even if we assume those crimes are handled by the government issuing the accusation, there has to have been a time when that wasn’t an option. For example, the council held a trial to decide the fate of Prosset Dibs, so yeah there must be some type of system in place. But Prosset and Ahsoka are very different because he only attacked another jedi, making it an internal affair. For Ahsoka, think of the implications, either they:

a: Find Ahsoka guilty: What now? Do you imprison her yourself? Do the jedi have cells in the temple for keeping force sensitives? Just keep her in her room with guards on the door? We know the jedi believe in rehabilitation so there would be an attempt to help her away from the dark side (once again, what they did for Prosset). Meanwhile, they have to deal with the public who is probably not happy that she is getting off with what is, in their opinion, a slap on the wrist. Is it the jedi’s job to care what the people want? Maybe, maybe not, but public opinion is at an all-time low because of this fake war set up to make them look bad, and this will have consequences. (Yeah, we know she is not guilty and doesn’t need rehabilitation away form the dark side, but the council doesn’t.)

b: Find her innocent: This will sound like bullshit to the public. “Uh we meditated on it and the force told us she is not guilty.” How mad would you be if this happened? If your friend died in the attack, wouldn’t you be just pissed about this? There is a TON OF EVIDENCE TO HER GUILT and at this point, no counter evidence. (Yeah, Anakin shows up with Barriss eventually, but you cannot make a decision based on something that will happen in the future, something you don’t know about. So, this doesn’t factor into the council’s decision.)

Or finally, the option they chose, the only real option available:

C: You send Ahsoka off to receive a fair trial* where she will have an opportunity to defend herself in court and will have an attorney. In their minds, this trial would likely be even more fair than one they hold because they are emotionally compromised here, because, yes, they do know Ahsoka and consider her family! But they have been burned before (Dooku and Krell) and are at this point willing to accept the possibility of betrayal.

People act like the council sent her to die. They didn’t. All they did was vote on whether or not she, someone accused of a crime with tons of evidence supporting that claim, should go to trial. That’s it. Everything else was Palpatine and Barriss. Besides, this way if she is found innocent the public won’t think it was nepotism.

* We, the audience, know this will not be a fair trial, but the council, and literally everyone else, believes it will be. There is literally not a single indication to imply anything else. You can’t blame characters for not knowing something they logically couldn’t know.

So, to the people who think the council fucked up here, I ask an honest question, if you were on the council, had the full ability to sway the vote, and only knew what the council knew, what would you have done? And if it was anything other than expelling Ahsoka from the order, how would you have handled the fallout? The riots, the protesting, the clones from the guard who get killed in the crossfire of your choice?

The council made the only choice they could have made, and Ahsoka got hurt. That doesn’t make them wrong, and it doesn’t make Ahsoka wrong to feel betrayed either.

[howtheworldcouldb]

Thinking about Mortis and how Anakin was supposed to take over the Father’s role. Thinking about how Ahsoka was held by the Son and Obi-Wan by the Daughter—it what it might’ve meant that the Daughter chose Ahsoka, Anakin fell to the Dark, and Obi-Wan walked a different path.

The Father wanted Anakin, yes, but why were there three of them there?

What if Ahsoka was meant to fall, Obi-Wan meant to cling to the Light, and Anakin the bridge between them in lineage and all things—Except Ahsoka made a choice, and Anakin made a choice, and Obi-Wan didn’t choose at all, and nothing went as it was meant to.

Thinking about how the Father’s choices inadvertently triggered the Son to try to kill him, instead accidentally killing the only person he loved. Thinking about how the Father sacrificed himself as distraction so the boy that should have been his successor could kill the Son that had betrayed him. Thinking about the Daughter that loved them both and did not want to leave them.

Thinking about Ahsoka in a temple and Obi-Wan on a Death Star

They had paths. And then they had choices, and the choices chose the paths, and nothing went as it was meant to but everything went as it could have. Dirt roads and wheels and putting one foot in front of the other, conscious and aware.

Fate and choice. Neither happens without the other. You have a path. You must still choose to walk it.

Thinking about archetypes and paths and what it means to twist fate

[foundfamilynonsense]

Ok but in the Ahsoka leaves the order arc… Ahsoka was in the wrong.

Ahsoka is my favorite character but like, she was wrong. She was wrong to escape and she was wrong to run around and try to solve this by herself and the reason she did it is probably because Anakin taught her some bad lessons.

Honestly I feel like the whole fandom suffers from Main Character Bias in this arc like. If it were Barriss seen doing all that (video footage of her seemingly force choking that woman, escaping prison and running into the undercity and being found next to a shit ton of evidence) no one would blink at the order expelling her in order to be judged by the courts. The only issue people have is that she’s a main character and we like her and know she didn’t do it.

Like the only real issue I had with it is that if Ahsoka had done it she would have done it Better than this. And the council should know that. Ahsoka wouldn’t be this stupid if she had actually blown up the temple. But like. What is the council supposed to think?

Everyone’s like “they knew ahsoka they should have known she couldn’t do that” but like they also knew Barriss. They also knew Krell. They knew it had to be a jedi and they trusted every jedi. And they didn’t even find her guilty. They just said you have to face trial without us. And then when she was found innocent at the trial they welcomed her back.

Mace was kinda an ass saying it could all be looked at as some big test like :/ yikes ok. But that’s still only one line and it’s a stupid ass line so I’ve elected to ignore it.

However, I do think Ahsoka was right to leave. Not because she would do better as a “grey Jedi” (not a thing, completely fandom made). Or that the Jedi were corrupt and whatever. But because she realized she couldn’t understand what being a Jedi was during war time which is valid.

Like, she was angry at the council. I believe that anger was not justified but hey sometimes you just get angry. She was wronged, and even though it was, at least partially, due to her own actions, she’s still allowed to be angry about it. And she obviously just couldn’t figure out how to let go of it.

So what were her options? Go back to the order and pretend she’s not angry? No! That’s why Anakin fell you can’t just shove your emotions down. Or she could leave and figure herself out. Go back after the war was over and try to learn what being a Jedi actually is during peace time. She legit gave up power because her emotions were getting the better of her and I think that makes her the best example of someone who uses the light side of the force.

I think a lot of her contradictions were from having Anakin as a master. Anakin loved her, and was good to her, but he did not understanding the emotional side of being a Jedi. And therefore couldn’t quite teach it to Ahsoka.

Remember how in the Mortis arc Ashoka’s older self tells her “you may never see your future if you remain his student” and “there are seeds of the dark side in you planted by your master” like yes exactly. Ahsoka handled this whole “being framed” thing very badly. Because she assumed this is how Anakin would have done it. She had assumed the key card had been left by Anakin. And afterwards she was obviously really, really angry. Which… she also got from Anakin. So she took her older self’s advice and she LEFT.

Like damn what a good character arc for her. Understanding her own flaws and weaknesses and realizing she needs to step away? Like that’s a Good. Thing. Hot damn.

And we see bits and pieces of how the council respects her for her decision. Obi-Wan let’s her take half the 501st to Mandalore even though there’s literally been an attack on coruscant. Yoda and Mace welcome her into a Jedi war meeting and ask her if she’s planning on rejoining. They don’t tell her everything but damn they probably wouldn’t have anyway she was just a padawan and this is kinda big shit.

I just… love Ashoka’s arc ok? I love it. The fact that she was definitely planning to go back, too? So good. And I get annoyed that people take all of Ashoka’s agency away, let her go guilt free “she did nothing wrong the council was bad owo” and therefore take a lot of the self discovery aspects out of her leaving the order. I think it hurts Ashoka’s character more than it hurts the council.

And like, I know filoni wrote this as a “the jedi council is wrong” like whenever he talks about it but fuck that. Yeah they were wrong, I guess, in the sense that Ahsoka wasn’t guilty but I feel like we’re once again blaming the council for not knowing something it was literally impossible for them to know. Like Obi-Wan says in season seven, yeah the council isn’t always right. They’re not gods. Imagine how angry people would be if they had caught Barriss in the beginning and decided to stand by her despite evidence against her? Imagine if they did that with Krell? They can’t win.

Anyway, please respect all of Ahsoka’s arc of making mistakes and learning and growing from them because it’s amazing and so is she. Leave the council alone they’ve done nothing to you. Ok thanks.

[maeve-on-mustafar]

TBH, whenever I see posts criticizing Anakin's training of Ahsoka and calling him an unfit teacher, I'm always kind of confused? Because, like, this guy was a nineteen-year-old who'd been recently promoted to military general despite a total lack of experience, and then he was assigned to raise a fourteen-year-old in the midst of a war, when he initially wanted no part in training her.

And in spite of this extreme set of obstacles, he not only was able to keep her alive this entire time, but he was the one Jedi to fight to prove her innocence in the Temple bombing when every other Jedi turned their back on her.

So, yes, the guy who was the age of a college freshman and had no experience teaching was, in fact, not a perfect teacher to this girl five years younger than him. I don't get why that's a surprise? But he stepped up when she needed him, and let's face it: it wasn't because of Anakin that Ahsoka chose to leave the Jedi Order.

[hermitmoss]

Despite the fanon(/fandom) jokes about Plo Koon and attachment, he actually does a very good job of letting go of Ahsoka.  The advice he gives Anakin in the Trandosha arc -- that he has prepared Ahsoka all he can for this situation, and there is nothing more he can do now, and that doesn’t mean he’s letting her down -- is from his own experience.

He wanted her to be his Padawan.  He expected her to be his Padawan.

He has a nickname for her (much like Anakin has ‘Snips’), and they share a greeting ritual from his homeworld.  He judges Anakin’s teaching to Ahsoka, indicating in no uncertain terms he thinks the way he wants to teach her is better; “You have inherited many of your Master’s ways, including a... lack of subtlety.”

Even in the Trandosha arc itself -- what Anakin describes as Ahsoka’s strength, Plo says can also be a weakness.  Plo asks rhetorically if she’s a worthy apprentice, and Anakin says nobody has her kind of determination (which isn’t exactly a ‘yes’), and Plo says “Except you”.  (“You have inherited many of your Master’s ways, including a... lack of subtlety.”)

Yet, when Ahsoka goes to him for help defying Anakin, he backs up Anakin’s decision, and he says “He is your Master.”  He might not like that, but he respects it, and he expects Ahsoka to respect it as well.

Back to the room in the Temple when Ahsoka has been captured by the Trandoshan hunters.  He says “If you have trained her well, she shall take care of herself”.  If.  It’s pretty clear he isn’t sure that Anakin has trained her well.  You know the moment when Anakin demands to know why Obi-wan isn’t on edge, and Obi-wan responds that he’s better at hiding it?  I’m pretty sure that’s what’s going on with Plo, in that moment.

[sailorsol]

Thinking about the Mortis arc as one does, and how the Chosen One is supposed to be analogous with the Father, but Anakin is so clearly the Son and Ahsoka the Daughter and Obi-Wan the Father

And how Obi-Wan was able to retrieve the Light Side dagger and literally pull himself out of the Well of the Dark Side. He goes into both the Light Side amd Dark Side nexus nexuses and remains unaffected.

I know a lot of people don't like the Mortis arc but I love it for the potential mythos it introduced, that this story has been repeated time and time and time again, will continue being repeated as a fundamental story of the universe the way so many cultures in our world have flood stories or descents to the underworld.

And then like.... That Scene at the end of Kenobi, which to me paralleled the arena fight on Mortis..... I just have a lot of thoughts and feelings about that arc and what it actually means for the trio and I want to pick apart all of the symbolism.

[allegorymetaphory]

Vader is everything of cruelty, of malice, of random death and pain...and yet you can tell he's rooting for Third Sister to prove herself. He likes how clever she is, how ruthless; she has Ahsoka's impetuousness. Reva would race you to the ground.

[gffa]

I LOVED THIS MOMENT SO MUCH. I love Bail Organa so much because he always believed that they should keep fighting to make the galaxy better, that they had a duty to do so.  It reminds me so much of his visit to Toydaria in TCW, when he said that they shouldn’t let Ryloth suffer just because they wanted to remain neutral in the war.  It reminds me of when he told Obi-Wan to be done with the past, move on from it, that he needed to get over it and help find Leia. Bail Organa is one of the most compassionate and wise people in the GFFA and he relentlessly believed that they had a duty to help others, even when they were tired of fighting, even when they were sad, even when they had personally lost so much. You grieve, you breathe, you get back up, you have an obligation to help people, to fight against the evil that is harming and destroying people, and he understands Ahsoka’s pain, but he still tells her that she has the same duty as she has always had. Bail Organa is too good for any of us, this is why he fought for the Republic and fought to make it better, this is why he fought against the evil the Separatists were doing, this is why he fought against the Empire from the very first day, because they all had a duty to stand up and fight for others. And he’s right and I love that Ahsoka had someone like Bail Organa to help her find her feet again when she was ready. BAIL ORGANA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE CENTER OF THE STORY BUT HE HAD THE KIND OF ROCK SOLID GOODNESS THAT HELPED SAVE THE GALAXY, TIME AND AGAIN.

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

That particular accusation against the Jedi is a source of never ending frustration mixed with hilarity, because even using ONLY Legends you’d have a very hard time arguing that the Jedi are child abductors. I already touched on the Baby Ludi story here (which is no story at all but in-universe clickbait with no primary sources designed irl to show how the public opinion of the Jedi was shifting, not what the Order itself was doing) but there’s another big culprit imo. Spoilers for this entire post/tldr here - I’m just repeating an old post of mine with picture this time. Imo much of the damage comes from this particular gem:

(also known as garbage)

With hits such as these:

- Literal brainwashing:

- The Temple being fucking Kamino, apparently:

(This came out months after AotC and the scene with the bright happy younglings surrounded by warm colors. How dare.)

- Implying that the Jedi take the children without parental consent and don’t know what familial love is:

Why is any of this funny, you might ask? because for one thing, the comic ends with Mace returning the baby to the parents who wanted their kid back.

Well, I guess they’re not child abductors after all, are they?! (It’s presented as him doing something ooc for a Jedi but I’ll come back to that.)

But that’s not the funniest thing. A few months after this comic, the glorious Shatterpoint novel by Matthew Stover was released - a novel still considered by many as some of the best the EU ever had to offer. In this mess of a comic, both Depa and Mace miss their parents and their parents miss them, and they’re all strictly forbidden from ever talking to each other:

In Shatterpoint (2003)...

“they had ASKED”

“an ORPHAN”

“I’ve NEVER MINDED” 

“the pirates who HAD MURDERED HER PARENTS”

BOTH Mace and Depa are orphans who can’t possibly have parents wanting to talk to them, Depa was literally saved from people who wanted to abduct her, BOTH were given a better life, Mace’s caretakers were ASKED, and Mace PERFECTLY understands familial love. And what’s more: 

Yoda is family and a Jedi’s first memory of him are kindly and gentle. 

AND

BOTH MACE AND DEPA RETURNED TO THEIR NATIVE PLANETS AS TEENS/YOUNG ADULTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR BIRTH CULTURES. 

Stover couldn’t have given a bigger middle finger to this particular comic if he’d TRIED.

Shut up, Jason. Go write something with Karen and leave Star Wars alone. 

But really, you know what’s the final nail in the coffin? The title Children of the Force was rehabilitated in 2009 in a Clone Wars episode: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_the_Force

Remember the plot of that one? 

THE JEDI SAVE A BUNCH OF CHILDREN WHO WERE BEING ABDUCTED (BY THE SITH) TO BE BRAINWASHED (BY THE SITH)

AND THEY GIVE THEM BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES. 

ALMOST LIKE MACE GIVING THE KID BACK

ISN’T OOC AFTER ALL

I swear, that comic got trampled on, burned to ashes, and then the ashes were spread all over Mustafar so it could disintegrate all the way. There is not a SINGLE detail of the comic that was spared either by Shatterpoint or by TCW. 

[padawansuggest]

Okay so some people are talking about how Ahsoka’s midichlorian count might have ‘jumped’ being Anakin’s Padawan because of her skill level nearly rivaling him later and I have a few things to say about how misunderstanding this is. I’m not gonna go essay mode cause those annoy me too but here’s the bullet points of where I’m coming from:

Obi-Wan’s canon midi count is around 13k

Ahsoka’s is estimated to be around 13-14k

Anakin’s is around 28-40k. That’s coming from Lucas btw. The general consensus is that he’s 28-30k but the writers themselves have the wish to put him, untampered, probably Vader levels of power, at 40k. George Lucas said that even tho the official number is 29,375 that it could be as high as 40k which probably means that Anakin is holding back.

Palpatine was about 20k.

Yoda’s was about 17.7k.

For the rumor mill: according to the writers themselves, losing a limb wouldn’t make your count drop in any way that actually matters why the fuck are fans so eager to call Anakin weak after he lost a limb???? His power literally got more and more the older he got guys lmao.

Obi-Wan not only kept up with Anakin, but often surpassed him in raw ability and skill. That didn’t change just because Anakin had a 29,375 midi count.

You know that thing Ani does where he crushes a droid with pure force skill? Yeah he learned that from Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan did that move in the clone wars without a flinch. The move itself isn’t determined by midi count, the scale of which they can both do it is. Anakin could likely do that on an entire space ship if he tried.

Obi-Wan, out of everyone I’ve mentioned, has the lowest midi count here. Smallest scale, cause no one’s gonna argue he doesn’t have the skill.

Luke was suggested to have a similar count to Anakin, but Leia’s was probably closer to 18-20k. So that’s probably a 10k difference between them but even still Leia is NOT low in that department. That’s higher than the majority of the Jedi order themselves. Growing up near a functional Jedi order Ani likely would have put her in classes just to learn control. Her mom probably put her through a lot of fighting types just to get her that level of control, while Luke, unfortunately, probably had to have force suggestions convincing him not to use any ability at all while Obi-Wan shielded them from the empire.

Now. My general conclusion here: I don’t think midichlorian count determines what you can do. I think it determines the scale of what you can do it on. And I also don’t think that knowledge and being able to go toe to toe with a Sith is going to mean your count is higher.

A person to person battle isn’t the same thing as crushing an entire space ship with your mind. You don’t need the same count to fight someone as you do to collapse an entire hanger door. Vader could tear durasteal like plaster and crush droids with a thought. But taking on Vader himself? Frankly that takes cunning (knowing how to dodge overpowered blows and walls crushing in on you) and the simple skill to fight on his level. Ahsoka has that. That doesn’t mean her count jumped.

[jedimasterbailey]

So we need to talk about “Weapons Factory” again…

And no, I’m not going to delve into the whole Anakin/Luminara dynamic after the factory blows up and they’re searching for their Padawans. That is a horse that has been beaten to death that this point and there’s plenty of great meta out there that shows how Anakin and Luminara BOTH love their student.

I’m talking about how good of an idea it was for the Padawans to go undercover into the factory while the ADULTS put themselves in the direct line of droid fire with bare minimum cover. There’s a lot of people that love to rip into Luminara’s character when she unveils her plan she and Barriss had prepared for but again I don’t think these people utilize critical thinking when it comes to characters that aren’t the mains. I personally think Luminara’s plan was full of good intentions. She wanted to keep the girls out of as much danger as possible (she most likely didn’t forget how quick Ahsoka was to put herself up against Ventress in their mission together and wanted to return the favor and keep Ahsoka safe along with Barriss). Look no one is going to disagree on how much that mission sucks for all parties involved, but Luminara seemed to try to make the most out of seemingly impossible situation.

1.) First off, the idea of sneaking the teenage girls into the factory was probably the safest option for the Padawans. Judging by Anakin’s reaction, the fact that there would be catacombs under the factory itself doesn’t seem to be common knowledge, thus the Poggle and the gang wouldn’t be betting on their enemies to know about it either. With that being said, having that kind of advantage immediately lessens the chance of Ahsoka and Barriss getting hurt as their enemies wouldn’t be expecting them and again…they are out of the direct line of fire happening outside. Anakin, Luminara, and the Clones literally have no cover. Do you really think it would have been fair to put the Padawans out there too when their own Masters are struggling? Luminara even said that with a frontal assault their losses would be high. Furthermore, there’s even a point where Anakin and Luminara have the Clones stay back while they go destroy the bridge.

2.) People love to say that Barriss being tasked to memorize the labyrith is like a form of child abuse but I hate to break it to you, it’s not. Anyone who has read Barriss’s EU novels (The Medstar duology written by Steve Perry and Micheal Reeves, which Feloni himself has also read) would know that Barriss’s wicked intelligence and memorization is very in character for her. Before all this terrorist bullshit, Barriss was characterized to be an extremely gifted healer whose intelligence was exceptional. It was also shown in these novels that Luminara would never ask Barriss to do anything she wouldn’t be comfortable with. Honestly y’all I think if Barriss did not have photographic memory, I think Luminara would have memorized that shit herself, because she would rather die than do anything to compromise her student. As I’ve mentioned this is not a far fetched theory as this was their dynamic written well before TCW that Feloni based on these books when it came to these characters.

Unlike Anakin (I love him too so don’t come for me) who didn’t trust in Ahsoka’s ability to run a briefing by herself, Luminara trusts and believes in Barriss. She gave her a task she knew Barriss could do and never doubted her Padawan for a second even when she too was starting to worry like Anakin.

3.) Like with any plan, there will always be risks no matter how meticulous it is. What ended up happening to Ahsoka and Barriss down there was a bad accident. No one can control the off chance that a bug would wake up and alert Poggle of what’s actually going on. No one can control the fact that the girls were outnumbered and that their bombs were taken away as a result of this development. It’s something Star Wars is always preaching about, there are just some things you can’t control, you just have to make the best of it and have the courage to make the better choice. It’s pretty evident in both Anakin and Luminara’s reactions when the factory went down that they were not expecting that and were hurting as a result of it.

In conclusion, there wasn’t a single person in this episode that did not have good intentions and I’m tired of Luminara being painted as this cold, heartless woman because of things she cannot control and due to her ability to have a handle on her emotions.

[foundfamilynonsense]

I feel like it’s interesting how Ahsoka doesn’t say “the council didn’t trust me I hate them that’s why I’m leaving” she said “the council didn’t trust me so how can I trust myself”

Like… I don’t think the writers meant anything by it. This is clearly an anti-jedi arc, which is why I hate rewatching it bc there’s literally no reason for the jedi hate like ??

But I think it’s interesting. It could be interpreted differently than how most people view ahsoka’s leaving.

I’ve always kinda thought ahsoka left because she was struggling with the dark side and was too angry with the order (irrationally, in my humble opinion, but clearly angry) to think clearly. So she made the mature decision to remove herself from the equation to figure it out.

I think there’s a lot of canon evidence to support that. Like how she says at the end that she needs to figure things out on her own. She never says she hates the council or doesn’t believe in the war effort or whatever whatever.

But that line about not trusting herself, I completely forgot about it. She doesn’t even sound angry at the council here. She’s almost agreeing with them. She saw herself as invulnerable because she was a jedi. Of course she didn’t do these things she’s a Jedi they KNOW her. But then the guilty party turns out to be Barriss.

She sees herself in Barriss. If it’s Barriss, it could have just as easily been her. The council was right not to trust her with all the evidence against her. And seeing yourself as immune to the dark side probably isn’t healthy.

Idk, I’m sure this isn’t what the writers necessarily meant by that line. Like I’m sure they didn’t write that line with the underlying meaning of “ahsoka is agreeing with the council’s decision and realizing she is not invulnerable to the dark side” but I this it’s a cool way to interpret it.

[revenge-of-the-shit]

99% of the discourse surrounding the Jedi would disappear if people actually defined the word “attachments” as the way George Lucas defined them (i.e. possessive, destructive love) instead treating it as a synonym for healthy love