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Valyrian Couples: Part I
Aegon I Targaryen & Rhaenys Targaryen
Aenys I Targaryen & Alyssa Velaryon
Aegon (son of Aenys) Targaryen & Rhaena Targaryen
Jaehaerys I Targaryen & Alysanne Targaryen
Baelon (son of Jaehaerys) Targaryen & Alyssa Targaryen
Viserys I Targaryen & Aemma Arryn
Rhaenyra Targaryen & Daemon Targaryen
Aegon III Targaryen and Daenaera Velaryon
Viserys II Targaryen and Larra Rogare
Daeron I Targaryen, Daena Targaryen and Baelor I Targaryen
By JotaSaraiva
PART II
#a song of ice and fire#house targaryen#aegon i targaryen#rhaenys (sister of aegon i) targaryen#aenys targaryen#alyssa velaryon#aegon (son of aenys) targaryen#rhaena (daughter of aenys) targaryen#jaehaerys i targaryen#alysanne targaryen#baelon (son of jaehaerys i) targaryen#alyssa targaryen#viserys i targaryen#aemma arryn#rhaenyra targaryen#daemon targaryen#aegon iii targaryen#daenaera velaryon#viserys ii targaryen#larra rogare#daeron i targaryen#daena targaryen#baelor i targaryen#fanart#deviantart
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what i think about sometimes is that it’s lowkey crazy that it took 130 years for an eldest girl vs. younger boy succession conflict to break out into Actual War among the targaryens. i mean, in every single generation after the conqueror’s sons (in which there were no daughters at all) the eldest child of that generation had always been a daughter, but their inheritance was never formally scorned until rhaenys.
firstly, rhaena was aenys i’s eldest child, but she was quickly married off to her brother, not necessarily with the explicit intention to prevent a succession conflict, but prevention was a result; it made for a simple father-son succession with a built in queen consort.
of the next generation, there were 2 daughters elder than jaehaerys’ eldest male child aegon (who died as an infant and actually left a presumed female heir for a few years, daenerys!): aerea and rhaella. rhaella was sent away to be a septa, but aerea was even proclaimed heir! her claim against jaehaerys, like rhaenyra and daemon later, was a matter of king’s daughter vs. king’s brother. however, her inheritance was unofficially spurned, and with less publicity and outcry than rhaenys, because A) her father aegon “the uncrowned” was, as his nickname implies, never officially crowned king; and B) she was proclaimed heir by maegor, which left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. but jaehaerys was indeed chosen over her because of the male primogeniture that put viserys over rhaenys! and rhaena, her mother, held a valid resentment over that.
and then finally after jaehaerys is crowned king and has ruled for a little while, he actually has an eldest female heir, daenaerys, for ~6 years—and her mother alyssanne specifically contended for her right to be heir! but then she dies, and jaehaerys gets an uncontroversial male heir, AND a uncontroversial male backup. but then both of those male heirs die, and like 4 of their daughters die/run away/are sent away in rapid succession (alyssa, daella, viserra, saera, maegelle) and suddenly there are TWO possible options for jaehaerys’ children, so he turns to his children’s children, and we all know how it goes.
TLDR: the dance of the dragons was not the first succession conflict based on gender. it is simply the only one that did not have a clean “wrap up” (sorry for such an insensitive turn of phrase), and thus turned into a war. targaryen women have been spurned since day 1, but it was never officially ordained until rhaenys, and never viciously fought over until rhaenyra.
#are you guys catching my drift???#wrote this while my phone dies at work#HELL this shit even applies to visenya the conqueror!#fire and blood#asoiaf#a song of ice and fire#house of the dragon#hotd#house targaryen#rhaena targaryen#rhaena the black bride#rhaena daughter of aenys#aerea targaryen#rhaella targaryen#jaehaerys targaryen#alyssanne targaryen#daenerys daughter of jaehaerys#aemon son of jaehaerys#aemon targaryen#aegon the uncrowned#maegor targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#rhaenys velaryon#viserys targaryen#rhaenyra targaryen#daemon targaryen#coveredinsunposting
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Asoiaf AU where everything (almost) the same except all Valyrian women are tall. Like...all of them. Every single one of them are either six feet exactly or are Brienne Tarth sized. Nobody knows why. It's all blamed on Valyrian magic. Short king Aegon the Conqueror and his giant sister-wives. Visenya is the tallest. Rhaenys loved using his head as an elbow rest. Smol sons Aenys and Maegor with their tall mamas. Vhagar loves her tol Visenya <3 She was Confused and Very Concerned when Visenya (Aemond) not only had an eyepatch but had suddenly become Smol. King Jaehaerys and his six-foot-and-something wife good queen Alysanne and their five, six-foot-and-something daughters. You ever headcanon Vaegon to be the shortest of the brothers? Well now this guy is tiny when next to his sisters. Alyssa used to pick him up by the scruff of his neck like a kitten. Another reason he was happy to be at the Citadel. Viserys and Corlys love their tall wives and tall daughters <3 Laena and Rhaenyra were both menaces to society and Daemon and Harwin worshipped them. Jace and Lucerys followed their father(s) in the same way with Baela and Rhaena respectively. If she lived, Rhaenys daughter of Elia would've towered over her brothers Aegon and Jon, and would try to carry them everywhere as if they were her black cat Balerion. Daenerys had an early growth-spurt. Khal Drogo would've fallen in love with Dany even more like yes he has the most beautiful of tall wives he will conquer every kingdom for his tall and majestic khaleesi.
#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf#crackish au#I guess#visenya targaryen#aegon the conqueror#rhaenys targaryen#visenya the conqueror#rhaenys the conqueror#aenys targaryen#maegor targaryen#aemond targaryen#vhagar#king jaehaerys#queen alysanne#alyssa targaryen#vaegon targaryen#viserys i targaryen#king viserys#corlys velaryon#laena velaryon#daemon targaryen#harwin strong#jacaerys velaryon#lucerys velaryon#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#rhaenys daughter of elia#aegon son of elia#jon snow
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Princess Rhaenys 🌺
She should have been the delight of the kingdom ☀️🥹
#game of thrones#rhaenys daughter of elia#elia martell#rhaegar targaryen#queen rhaella#aenys targaryen#pink aesthetic#aethestic#house of the dragon#rhaegar x elia#aegon son of rhaegar#rhaenys daughter of rhaegar#daenerys targaryen#viserys targaryen#oberyn martell#doran martell#dorne#rhaenys the conqueror#she deserved better#balerion#rhaella targaryen#maitreyi ramakrishnan#maitreya
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The Line Of Succession
….and how it proves Aegon II is the rightful heir.
Introduction
So I was listening to Fire and Blood and there’s a couple of interesting lines in its first few chapters regarding succession.
‘While many still debated whether Prince Maegor or his niece, Rhaena, should have precedence in the order of succession, it seemed beyond question that Aegon would follow his father, Aenys, just as Aenys would follow Aegon.’
Page 56, The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood.
‘Only Grand Maester Gawen dared object. By all the laws of inheritance, laws that the Conqueror himself had affirmed after the conquest, the throne should pass to King Aenys’ son Aegon, the aged maester said.’
Page 74, The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood.
The Initial Line of Succession
The initial succession is clear, and was indicated long before Aegon I affirmed the succession laws. It was when it was decided that Aegon, despite being the middle sibling, would be the main ruler. This set the precedent that male heirs come before female heirs, regardless of birth order.
Aegon’s heir was his eldest son Aenys, and in turn Aenys’ heir was his eldest son Aegon. But while Aenys was the elder of Aegon I’s two children, Aegon was not the eldest of Aenys’ children. Aenys’ first child was his daughter, Rhaena. Again, setting the precedent that sons inherit before elder daughters.
But here’s where it starts getting messy. Because Aegon didn’t inherit the throne; he was usurped by Maegor, Aenys’ younger brother. Interestingly, Maegor named his great niece Aerea his heir. Aerea was Aegon’s daughter, and would have been the rightful heir if Aegon had inherited the throne as the laws dictated.
Maegor, by the way, had very legitimate reasons for usurping. Thanks to Aenys’ insistence on marrying his son and daughter together, the Faith was up in arms and had declared that any children they produced were abominations. There was no way anyone in Westeros would accept Aegon as King, and being as he was only 16 and had no dragon, he had no way of taming the rebellions and riots breaking out across Westeros. Maegor, on the other hand, rode Balerion the Black Dread and wielded Blackfyre. He was easily able to squash the Faith’s armed branches.
None of Maegor’s wives produced any living children, so he had to name someone else his heir. Aenys had five surviving children: Rhaena, Aegon, Viserys, Jaehaerys and Alysanne. Aegon was killed in battle so he couldn’t be Maegor’s heir. Jaehaerys and Alysanne were hidden away and protected by their mother, so Maegor couldn’t name them either.
His options were Rhaena, Viserys or one of Rhaena and Aegon’s twin daughters (it’s unclear who the older twin was) Aerea and Rhaella. Despite Viserys being held as a hostage by Maegor, he chose Aerea. He still decided to follow succession laws even though he didn’t have to.
Jaehaerys And The Law
However, after Maegor’s death, his nephew Jaehaerys I became King. This was because Aerea was only six years old, and was a rather timid and shy child, so even her mother said she wasn’t a good fit for the throne. But this is going against the succession laws. And it wouldn’t be the last time Jaehaerys did that.
Jaehaerys’ first heir was his eldest son, Aemon. Queen Alysanne wanted their eldest child, Daenerys, to be the heir but Jaehaerys refused. This is the right choice, because the laws are clear that sons inherit before daughters, and not even the King can defy the laws.
Aemon died long before Jaehaerys, and his daughter Rhaenys should have been the next heir, but Jaehaerys instead chose his second son, Baelon. Many people blame this on sexism, but I think it’s more complicated than that. Rhaenys was married to Corlys Velaryon, an ambitious man. Her children weren’t Targaryens; they were Velaryons. Making her the heir meant the throne passing from House Targaryen to House Velaryon. Not to mention, Rhaenys was 16 with no experience while Baelon was 35 and had experience.
It’s unclear if this goes against the succession laws. The quote above regarding Maegor and Rhaena suggests the laws are unclear if a brother comes before a daughter. So it’s uncertain if Rhaenys should have inherited, because she was Aemon’s daughter, or if Baelon was the rightful heir as he was Jaehaerys’ son.
Viserys And The Dance
After Baelon’s death, the Great Council chose Viserys I as the next heir. It is unclear where the laws stand on this. As Baelon’s eldest son, he was unquestionably his heir but, given it was unclear if Baelon was the lawful heir, that may not mean anything. It does, however, set the precedent of male heirs over any female heirs.
Now, here’s where we come to Rhaenyra and Aegon II. There’s some ambiguity when it comes to a brother and a daughter of the king, but not if it’s between a son and a daughter.
There the laws are clear. Aegon II, as Viserys’ eldest trueborn son, is his rightful heir. Rhaenyra has no claim to the throne while Aegon II, Aemond, Daeron, Jaehaerys and Maelor are alive.
After looking over the succession prior to Viserys, we can establish that the Targaryens followed the law of sons before daughters, but there’s some question of if daughters come before uncles. Therefore, succession following his death could go two ways.
It’s either Aegon II, Jaehaerys, Maelor, Jaehaera, Aemond, Daeron, Rhaenyra, Aegon III, Viserys II, Helaena, Daemon or Aegon II, Jaehaerys, Maelor, Aemond, Daeron, Daemon, Aegon III, Viserys II, Daemon, Helaena, Jaehaera.
(As Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey are bastards, they cannot claim the throne and are not in the line of succession).
Regardless, Rhaenyra is not the rightful heir and is actually quite far down the line of succession. She, not Aegon, is the usurper and unlike Maegor, she has no good reasons to usurp the throne.
TLDR: Targaryen Royal succession follows the law, there’s an area of ambiguity over whether a brother or a daughter inherits but no ambiguity regarding sons over daughters, and Rhaenyra is a usurper with no good reason for doing so, making her worse than Maegor in that regard.
#rhaenyra targaryen#aegon i targaryen#aegon ii targaryen#aegon iii targaryen#aegon the uncrowned#maegor targaryen#aenys targaryen#rhaena daughter of aenys#aerea targaryen#jaehaerys i targaryen#prince jaehaerys targaryen#jaehaera targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#baelon targaryen#aemon son of jaehaerys#maelor targaryen#aemond targaryen#daeron targaryen#daemon targaryen#fire and blood#house of the dragon#succession laws
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i love the way that a dragon's coloring is sometimes connected to its rider's family.
meraxes had silver scales and was ridden by rhaenys. rhaenys' son aenys had a dragon named quicksilver, and though we don't know her coloring, given her name and her pale white fire, it is probably silver as well. aenys' daughter alysanne had silverwing, described as a silvery dragon.
three generations of rulers who had silver she-dragons.
jaehaerys i rode vermithor, the bronze fury, and his son baelon the brave rode vhagar, who was described as bronze.
aemon and alyssa, brother and sister, both rode red dragons, caraxes and meleys, respectively.
rhaenyra has the yellow-gold syrax, and her son lucerys who rides arrax, described as having yellow fire and gold eyes and crest.
(could even connect this to aegon ii's sunfyre, who is golden and has pink membranes, matching to rhaenys' meleys and rhaena's morning, who is fully pink.)
helaena and daeron, also brother and sister, rode dreamfyre and tessarion, both blue dragons (although in different shades).
although we dont know his coloring, stormcloud, based on his name, was probably (dark) grey, which would match with the (light) grey color of seasmoke, who belonged to laenor, aegon iii's stepfather.
and of course, there is the connection between the conquerors' dragons balerion, meraxes and vhagar with dany's children drogon, viserion and rhaegal.
#this is a mess lmao#i hope its at least comprehensible#a song of ice and fire#daenerys targaryen#aemon targaryen (son of jaehaerys i)#alyssa targaryen#baelon targaryen#lucerys velaryon#rhaena targaryen (daughter of daemon)#rhaenyra i targaryen#aegon iii targaryen#aegon ii targaryen#rhaenys targaryen (daughter of aemon)#aenys i targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#alysanne targaryen#laenor velaryon#helaena targaryen#daeron targaryen (son of viserys i)#jaehaerys i targaryen#tumblr dont let me tag all the dragons as well 😭#asoiaf#yapping 4ever
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“Rhaenyra would have had to put her brothers to death if she took the throne, she would have had no choice!”
There is actually no instance in Targaryen history of a rightful heir ascending the throne and then putting competing claimants to death. Even when said rightful heir was a divergence from traditional succession order or had a disputed claim. Which has happened many, many times.
But you know what history has shown when a usurper takes the throne? The murder of competing claimants. Maegor usurped his nephews throne, and then proceeded to slay his nephew Aegon and torture to death his other nephew Viserys.
Now Rhaenyra’s brother has usurped her throne, and demanded her own Aegon and Viserys to be sent to Kings Landing as hostages. And she is supposed trust that no harm will come to them? Or to anyone else in her family? The Greens have the right to usurp the throne over an hypothetical danger with no historical precedent, but Rhaenyra is in the wrong to refuse to put her family at the mercy of a usurper knowing what happened the last time the throne was usurped? Even after it has already begun, and Lucerys has already been murdered?
#team black#rhaenyra targaryen#aegon the usurper#anti aegon ii targaryen#anti team green#maegor the cruel#aegon the uncrowned#viserys son of aenys
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What if Maegor the cruel was born a girl?
First of all: Tall buff lady 😳. Second of all: I imagine Visenya would probably push for her daughter to marry Aenys since that would be the most ideal match for him besides Alyssa Velaryon. Aegon probably wouldn’t disagree? Granted, that means that the faith uprising would probably happen a lot sooner since they still think incest is bad, only instead of it being Aenys who kinda just… Does nothing about it, it would instead be the combined forces of Aegon and Visenya, hell maybe even Aenys and Maegor (Maegelle? Maegora?) taking down any protests. Honestly that’s mostly a theory though- I could imagine lady Maegor being a lot like her mom just like regular Maegor is in canon, but I really don’t know what other avenues she’d be able to explore besides like… strong sister wife with a sword-
#also- would be interesting if Aenys’ kids are her kids- and she usurps the throne from her own son Aegon#could also be interesting if she still demanded her own consorts?? but that is a whole can of worms that I won’t open in the tags lol#maegor targaryen#asoiaf asks
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King Maegor Targaryen and Prince Aegon Targaryen (son of Aenys)
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#blackened bones au just got so wild y'all#mr 'whats a king to a god whats a god to a nonbeliever' jaehaerys targaryen over there who is not king btw#and is instead like a 12 year old hand of the king (sorry tywin) because his oldest brother has a huge case of 'weird flex but okay'#and his extra early elopement and subsequent earlt creation of the doctrine for Reasons#made aegon go you have been promoted u are now one of my elite employees!! took him from cupbearer to hand. as one does#but anyway aegon mr black maegor black magic baby electric boogaloo was unable to produce more than one pregnancy in his wife lol#because the black magic is FUCKED for REASONS (maegor skewed it gay. also for reasons. namely fucking aenys reasons)#and now he has no (male) heir and HE wants to make aerea his heir bc aegon is the chad of this family. also visenya got to him young#rhaena the lesbian is on board for obvious reasons but alyssa is decidedly Not & either is the council bc like. the targs have been wilding#in one decade they balerioned the starry sept and vhagared the sept of remembrance killing like. most of the high ranking sevenists lmao.#lol even. plus jae and aly also eloped cause ofc they did the council was trying to marry her to a hightower. oh and also the doctrine#been a bit of a decade and all that happened in just 9 years. also viserys and lysarra (oc first maegor/aenys daughter) got married#which was the first post doctrine marriage. they're the two crazies. she has a mini balerion. went wonderfully as im sure you can imagine#anyway the targs need to CHILL. give the realm a breather. NOT CHANGE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF INHERITANCE PRECEDENT.#aegon the chad is not helping them do that. so alyssa uses her big brain. & she's like well aegon is a black magic baby (thnx maegor)#and he's king. so why not get him a Surrogate and make him an heir. for Reasons it can't be any of his fellow maegor black magic babies#(black magic babies can't have kids with each other bc they're barely fertile on their own lol) and his remaining options are aly & vaella#both of whom are out bc they're a) 14 and 11 respectively and also b) married and a future nun. shit happens.#viserys is a no cuz lysarra is Crazy and aegon knows it and respects it. that leaves jaehaerys 😁 the good dutiful fourth son 😁#the og machiavellian propaganda maker 😁 who will do Anything to get what he wants 😁 esp for the good of his house and the Realm 😁#long story short jaehaerys the nonbeliever to hardcore sevenist loser gets valyrian magic gender fuckery & gives birth to the heir <3#a delight to negotiate with alysanne as im sure you understand. truly didn't almost end the marriage he rewrote the law and religion for#shit happens <3 long live the third prince of dragonstone aerys targaryen who is the second shipname baby future king#(the first was aenys. aegon = ae rhaenys = nys. now aegon the uncrowned that WAS crowned named his heir aegon = ae and jaehaerys = rys)#(bc naming his first daughter after aerea and his second after rhaena wasn't enough evidently. he is a crazy person)#(he names the twin [they're twins it is the worst year of jaehaerys's LIFE think renesmee & bella] alystair. for alysanne.)#(he is a crazy person x2.)#and that's on today's episode of:#blackened bones au
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The Black Dread Strikes!
Prince Aegon commanded a charge, hoping to break through the Kingslanders before the other loyalists fell upon his flanks, and mounted Quicksilver to lead the attack himself. But scarce had he taken wing when he heard shouts and saw his men below pointing to where Balerion the Black Dread had appeared in the southern sky. King Maegor had come. For the first time since the Doom of Valyria, dragon contended with dragon in the sky, even as battle was joined below. Quicksilver, a quarter the size of Balerion, was no match for the older, fiercer dragon, and her pale white fireballs were engulfed and washed away in great gouts of black flame. Then the Black Dread fell upon her from above, his jaws closing round her neck as he ripped one wing from her body. Screaming and smoking, the young dragon plunged to earth, and Prince Aegon with her. ~Fire & Blood [The Sons of the Dragon]
By MEZER
#a song of ice and fire#fire & blood#balerion the black dread#maegor targaryen#quicksilver#aegon (son of aenys) targaryen#fanart#artstation
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Rhaena & Aegon and their twin daughters
Aerea and Rhaella
Androw Farman
#sims 3#sims 3 screenshots#valyrianscrolls#house targaryen#rhaena targaryen#Aegon son of Aenys#aerea targaryen#Septa Rhaella#Androw Farman
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The Crowns of Aegon Prince of Dragonstone and Rhaena, and their legacy



Aegon had been celebrated as Prince of Dragonstone when it was announced by his father Aenys he would be king.
Unlike Aenys, Aegon was way braver than him and travelled around Westeros to see his people, it may have taken him a while to claim a dragon but we can not say Aegon lacked courage.
Aegon was willing to fight for what his grandfather created and what his father would give to him.
Far more charismatic than Rhaena, but willing to respect her and show she was and would always be his queen.
Rhaena is usually accounted as a Queen due to her sworn vow to her youngest brother Jaehaerys as a Queen Dowager, and everyone in history recognizes Aegon the Uncrowned as the rightful heir despite having been usurped.
Rhaena recognized her brother-husband Aegon as the king as well, and of her three husbands Aegon was the only one she truly loved.
Rhaena in the beginning had to deject her own claim and that of her daughters but she still wanted them to be recognized.
The world didn't get them to actually rule, but Rhaena and Aegon were the King and Queen Westeros deserved and didn't get.
It wouldn't surprise me as well if Rhaena kept using her crown years later as the Queen Dowager of her brother Aegon as a homage to the love of her life and king Aegon the Uncrowned Prince of Dragonstone and Second of his Name.
Rhaena wanted to be recognized as queen by Aegon's side and then by her own merit.
I would imagine for Rhaena to give her crown to Rhaella, and Rhaella to make a hallow that is given to blessed people.
And if Rhaella had a son with a dragon keeper who received financial help from Jaehaerys I and Alysanne and was the father of the mother of Nettles, then both Aegon and Rhaena had a descendant who created a religion around her self.
#house targaryen#aegon the uncrowned#aegon targaryen (son of aenys i targaryen and alyssa velaryon)#aegon targaryen (son of aenys i and alyssa)#aegon targaryen prince of dragonstone#aegon targaryen the prince of dragonstone is the real aegon ii#aegon the uncrowned is the real aegon second of his name#rhaena targaryen#rhaena targaryen queen in the west#rhaena targaryen queen in the east#rhaena targaryen (daughter of aenys i and alyssa)#rhaena x aegon#aegon x rhaena#aegon the uncrowned x queen rhaena#queen rhaena x aegon the uncrowned#queen rhaena#aegon the uncrowned is the real aegon ii#septa rhaella#nettles
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Elia Martell ☀️
My girl from sun✨☀️
#elia martell#dorne#aethestic#aesthetic#amita suman#inej ghafa#daemon targaryen#rhaegar targaryen#rhaegar x elia#oberyn martell#game of thrones#rhaella targaryen#orange#yellow#rhaenys daughter of elia#aegon son of rhaegar#doran martell#she deserved better#aenys targaryen#house of the dragon
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In Defense Of Jaehaerys I
Note: I know this will be controversial. I simply ask that responses remain civil. Any insults or other nastiness will be met with a block.
Introduction
The common fandom interpretation of Jaehaerys I is that while he was a good king, he was a pretty bad father and a misogynist who refused to allow any women to sit the Iron Throne. I disagree. I don’t think Jaehaerys was any more misogynistic than any other Westerosi, and actually was somewhat less misogynistic and more progressive than most. Allow me to explain before you crucify me.
Rhaena, Aerea and Rhaella
The first charge of misogyny often laid at Jaehaerys’ feet is his usurpation of his older sister Rhaena and/or her daughters. But there’s more to this than just their gender. To start off with, it is unclear who, exactly, is the rightful heir. Is it Aerea, the elder daughter of Aegon the Uncrowned and named heir of the previous king, Maegor? Or is it Jaehaerys, the only surviving son of the previous legitimate king, Aenys?
Arguments can be made for either.
Then there’s their respective ages. Jaehaerys is fourteen, two years off his majority, whereas Aerea is only six years old and would need a regent for the next ten years. There are many problems that come with a regency- just look at Aegon III’s, which only lasted five years, or Joffrey and Tommen’s regencies currently happening in the main series- therefore the claimant who is only two years away from no longer needing a regent is far more desirable that the one who would need a regent for a decade.
Rhaena argued that her daughter was not fit to rule due to her timid nature. Clearly she did not feel slighted by Jaehaerys taking the throne, at least initially, though she did become bitter later, but clearly Rhaena was not mentally well at the time. It is unfair to use Aerea’s nature against her claiming the throne, as many Kings have had far worse natures, but it is a valid reason.
Alysanne
Jaehaerys is accused of being misogynistic in regards to his relationship with his wife, the Good Queen Alysanne. I find this ludicrous. There are multiple laws and ideas that Alysanne championed that were passed- like abolishing the right of the first night, the widow’s law, drinking fountains for the poor of King’s Landing, giving more land to the Night’s Watch and more- so clearly Jaehaerys listened to her and respected her intelligence and ideas.
Some claim that Jaehaerys mistreated Alysanne by forcing her to have so many babies. Setting aside that the only contraceptive mentioned in the series, moon tea, is unlikely to work one hundred percent of time and is quite dangerous to take (Lysa nearly died from it), there is no indication that Alysanne was forced into any of her pregnancies, or that Jaehaerys is the type of person to force his wife to do just about anything.
Daenerys
Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s first surviving child (they had a son named Aegon who died three days after his birth) was a daughter named Daenerys. She was Jaehaerys’ heir until the birth of Aemon, two years later. Alysanne argued that Daenerys should have remained the heir, as their oldest child. But this ignores the law of succession and established precedent (Aegon the Uncrowned being heir over his older sister Rhaena) and would have made Jaehaerys look very hypocritical, considering he took the throne over his older sister and her daughters.
He planned for Daenerys to be queen anyway, as he intended for her to marry Aemon. Unfortunately, Daenerys died of the Shivers when she was five, ending Alysanne’s issue over heirship, at least for some time.
Daella
Many argue that Jaehaerys was cruel to force Daella to marry when she wasn’t ready for it. Alysanne blamed him for her death in childbirth, saying that she was too young. This is odd, as Daella was five years older than Alysanne was when she was wed and three years older than Alysanne was when she had her first child.
Jaehaerys was impatient with Daella. But I don’t think he was cruel. Remember, every noblewoman is expected to marry; that’s the societal norm, and Jaehaerys comes from a family background of young marriage. He was 16 and Alysanne was 13 when they wed. Aegon the Uncrowned was 15 and Rhaena was 18 when they wed. Aenys and Alyssa were both 15. Maegor was 13 when he wed 23 year old Ceryse Hightower (…yikes.). Aemon was 15 and Jocelyn was 16 when they wed. Baelon was 18 and Alyssa was 15 when they wed.
Yes, Daella was disabled, but it is ridiculous to expect Jaehaerys to understand that. Westeros is a pseudo-medieval society; their understanding of disabilities, especially mental disabilities, is limited.
Considering that Daella was 18 and got to pick who she married, she actually got a much better deal than many other noblewomen.
Saera
This is going to be controversial.
I am not going to argue that there was no misogyny involved in Jaehaerys’ handling of Saera, or that he handled it well. I am, however, going to point out that it was not the one sided, Jaehaerys being abusive, situation so many like to paint it as.
So what actually happened? Saera had three male suitors, Lord Roy Connington, Ser Jonah Mooton and Ser Braxton Beesbury. Jaehaerys considered all three promising candidates for Saera’s hand, so he clearly paid attention to who she liked and wanted to make sure she married someone she wanted to be with.
Unfortunately, one day the three men were caught tormenting a fool named Tom Turnip- described as a simpleton, therefore likely mentally disabled- in a brothel. Mooton admitted it was Saera’s idea, but none of the three said any more about Saera. Her two best friends, Perianne Moore and Alys Turnberry, were questioned and they admitted that the three girls had practiced kissing together, then had gotten the men to practice kissing with them.
It had, of course, escalated to more than that. Perianne claimed it was Braxton Beesbury who slept with all of them. Alys turned out to be pregnant. When Saera was questioned about this, she started off denying it, then admitted it and worse, saying that all three men believed they had taken her maidenhead but they were ‘silly fools’, implying someone else had taken her maidenhead long before this.
Saera declared that she would be married but couldn’t decide between the three, suggesting she marry all of them and comparing herself to Maegor the Cruel. This infuriated Jaehaerys, who very understandably had a shit ton of trauma about Maegor and did not appreciate him being brought up so flippantly.
Saera was confined to her bedchamber. Jaehaerys was going to reconcile with her, and leave this disagreement there, but she broke out and tried to take a dragon, a very dangerous thing to do. She was confined to a tower cell.
Jaehaerys ordered Ser Braxton be punished by having his tongue and nose cut off and being gelded. Braxton chose a trial by combat and arrogantly asked which old man would fight him. The King replied ‘this old man’ and did indeed fight and kill Braxton.
It is important to note that Braxton fully intended to injure or kill Jaehaerys, so blaming Jaehaerys for killing him is unfair.
Saera was to join her sister in Oldtown for a time, though it is noted that it would not have been permanent- Barth said that Jaehaerys would have relented, a sentiment that is repeated throughout the story of Saera.
But she chose to go to Lys instead.
To sum up: Saera chose to ignore societal expectations and sleep around, despite knowing that both she and her lovers would be punished if caught, when they were caught she initially refused to take responsibility then, instead of being apologetic or accepting that she’d done wrong, she was arrogant and rude and invoked her father’s trauma by bringing up Maegor, something she had to know would hurt and anger him. Then, she kept making the situation worse by attempting to escape her punishment.
Jaehaerys overreacted. But Beesbury and the two other men did sleep with three young women. By today’s standards they did nothing wrong but by Westerosi standards, they ruined the reputations of the three girls, ruined their chances of a decent marriage (except for Saera, who was still a princess) and left Alys Turnberry with a bastard child.
It’s worth noting, by the way, that Jonah Mooton agreed to marry Perianne and therefore wasn’t punished, and Roy Connington had the same opportunity with Alys, but refused as he didn’t believe her child was his, even though the babe had red hair. He was offered two choices: the Wall or exile. He chose exile in Essos.
The harsh judgement against Jaehaerys here is another situation of fans applying modern standards to a pseudo-medieval society with very different standards then criticising characters for behaving in ways that match up to those very different standards but go against modern standards. It’s a large problem in the fandom.
Rhaenys
We come to the biggest charge of misogyny made against Jaehaerys. His decision to make Baelon his heir over Rhaenys. But was it just because she was a woman? While I don’t deny that likely played a role, I think it was far more complicated than just about gender.
First, there’s the age issue. Rhaenys was sixteen, with very little experience, political, life or otherwise. Baelon was thirty five and had battle experience, life experience and political experience.
Then there’s the Corlys/Velaryon issue. Corlys was an ambitious man and no doubt he would have been the main power behind the throne if Rhaenys was crowned. There is also no doubt that he would have insisted their children retain the Velaryon surname, therefore ending the Targaryen dynasty and beginning the Velaryon dynasty, a situation Jaehaerys would have wished to avoid.
Third and finally, there is a lesser issue but one that I would have considered if I was in Jaehaerys’ place. Rhaenys was pregnant when Aemon died and Jaehaerys decided who was to be his heir. There was a decent chance she would die in the birthing bed; what would be the point of naming her heir only for her to die a few months later and heirship to pass to Baelon anyway?
I think that played a role because Jaehaerys was able to decide by himself in 92 AC, but nine years later he couldn’t decide and called the Great Council. The only factor that had changed was that Rhaenys was not pregnant. She and Viserys were only three years apart and were at a similar level of experience. So why, then, if Jaehaerys was such a raving misogynist who didn’t want a woman on the throne, didn’t he just simply pick Viserys? Why call the council?
Because he genuinely couldn’t decide. Rhaenys was still married to Corlys and their children had Velaryon surnames, so that would be the death of the Targaryen dynasty. Viserys was weak willed and indecisive and his heirs at the time were either his violent, impetuous brother or his four year old daughter, neither great options.
Conclusion
I think the perception of Jaehaerys is a big example of what I mentioned earlier in this essay, the tendency of this fandom to judge characters by modern standards that simply don’t apply to the pseudo-medieval world of Westeros.
It irritates me to no end when I see this happening in the fandom, because it’s just plain stupid. Modern standards do not apply to Westeros, end of, and therefore the characters should not be judged by them. They should be judged by Westerosi standards.
Jaehaerys was not a raving misogynist nor was he an abusive father. As much as he had issues with Saera and to a far lesser extent Daella, he is never mentioned to have had any conflict with his other daughters, Alyssa, Viserra (except for agreeing to a betrothal Alysanne proposed that Viserra disliked) , Maegelle and Gael.
There are many Targaryen Kings who were abusive or otherwise bad fathers. Jaehaerys is not one of them.
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The boy named Aegon after his grandsire, was born to Lady Alyssa and fathered by Prince Aenys…The little prince was robust and fierce and had ‘a warrior's look about him’ declared his grandsire Aegon the Dragon himself…It seemed beyond question than Aegon would follow his father Aenys, just as Aenys would follow Aegon.
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