#aegiale

[adriles]

when this war is over the other achaean warlords will need to find something else to do. like get lost at sea and have wacky hijinks or have their wives attack them. good thing i wont have to do that . this thing will just kill me.

[argeiarenga]

twins!!!!

[sizzlingpeacesandwich]

who is Aegiale? (I know she is the wife of Diomedes)

[cygniavenue]

ive never been able to find a source that says anything ab sthe's wife other than. he had 2 sons w her??? umm so i made her up in my brain. her name is phile. n she might have a gay side thinge w aegiale. source bc i said so

[miyetko]

old OdyDioPen art that I don’t like that much but I want to rant about Diomedes and they way that others write about him because YOU ALL JUST DON’T KNOW HIM LIKE I DO OKAY

okay so I actually despise when people write OdyDio and make Diomedes hate Penelope. I’m (hate reading) re-reading The Song of Achilles and Miller kind of hints at OdyDio a little, but every time Odysseus brings up Penelope, Diomedes gets really bitchy like “shut up we don’t want hear another story about your wife” and it’s more used a representation of how he hates Aegiale but I still don’t like it.

Dio fucking loves Penelope and no one will convince me other wise

there was a lot of time between when Diomedes got to Ithaca (after being exiled from Argos) and when Odysseus gets back. I especially love the idea that Pen and Dio get fake married to detract some of the suitors, or at the very least, Dio hangs around the palace to make sure no one’s bothering her and Telemachus.

…and maybe when Odysseus gets back everybody gets not fake married… idk…

[sonoftydeusthemusical]

Thinking about how epic the song(s) of Diomedes fighting the gods on the fields of Troy will be

Thinking about how him injuring Aphrodite sets up the arc of Aegiale's betrayl

Thinking of how Aphrodite's motif, associated with love, will appear as Diomedes returns to Arogs only to be revealed as sign of impending doom

[differentnerddiplomatopera]

I need more Diomedes x Penelope

As much as I adore Odydio, I am a sucker for tender Pendio in Ithaca. After the war, after so much mental strain, do you think he indulges in gentle caresses on his face? A different scene, changing crimson blood for coral bed sheets? No need for sharpening blades, unless for the kitchen. The screams of dying men, exchanged for the wisps and songs of the calm breeze. A soft hand learning how to properly wash his locs, instead of blood making a home in dark dreads. Proper meals filled with nutrients. A soft voice lulling him to sleep, comforting him when the horrors follow him to bed. Aegiale could never be this, never soft, never caring, for him at least. And that was ok. He was ok in her arms. Replacing the smell of rotting bodies for sweet nymph perfume heals. Diomedes heals in her arms.

[babyrdie]

Since your genderbent patrochilles headcanon is based off of them in the Iliad how do you think they would be in The song of Achilles universe??

Well, to be honest I really don't know. Like, let's first analyze the female characters in TSOA:

Philomela is a vague figure. What we know is that she was happy to be married and got married young, but unfortunately her marriage was terrible. She also liked to play the lyre and apparently had some kind of intellectual disability. She was not treated with dignity by her husband or by the other people in the kingdom and everyone made fun of her disability, unfortunately. Patroclus loved her and had an attachment to her lyre because of that, but he also did not have a normal mother-son relationship. What we have of her is a portrait of a person who has become a broken shell after years of abuse.

Iphigenia is sacrificed before she even has time to show her desires, her personality, etc. We don't get to see her protest, see her dialogue with Agamemnon and Clytemnestra, see her interact with Orestes, see her try to defend herself, see her offer herself, etc. We don't know anything about her, we only know that she's a victim.

Deidamia SAsed Achilles, whether it was intentional or not. She then also slept with Patroclus while humiliating him. She's a stereotypical "other girl", portrayed as vain, annoying and intrusive. She's still a tragic figure in the sense that she loves someone who does not love her and now has to be a single mother, but that is it. Although she is an authority figure in Skyros because the book says that she is the one who takes care of the kingdom and not Lycomedes, she's portrayed as someone you don't take seriously and a spoiled brat. Her character is mainly that of an abuser and an inconvenient person, although there is an attempt to give sympathy.

Helen chooses Menelaus from among the suitors and that's all we know about her, we don't even see her face because she wears a veil. We know that Penelope is loved by Odysseus and apparently didn't want to stay still to serve as a reference for his ship so the painters had to follow her. We also know that Diomedes doesn't have a good marriage because his wife, Aegiale, is a difficult person. So all we know about them is really about their husbands. Menelaus wants his wife back, Odysseus wants to return home, Diomedes has a bad wife. Penelope is a character from Circe and apparently her personality appears there, but I haven't read Circe so I can't say.

We only know that Chryseis is mistreated and abused by Agamemnon. Achilles' slaves have friendships with each other and with Patroclus and they marry the Myrmidons. Briseis has a strong personality, although she is still kind. She, however, still falls in love with Patroclus. She is almost abused by Agamemnon, but this is prevented by Patroclus. Ultimately, she dies while trying to swim to escape being Neoptolemus' prize.

Thetis was abused by Peleus and has a deep contempt for humans, perhaps because of the abuse, though this is not stated in the book. She is generally an unsympathetic and cold figure, portrayed as a powerful and frightening creature. She is a bad mother, as she forcibly separates Achilles from a person he cares about (Patroclus) and causes her own son to be abused (by forcing him to sleep with Deidamia). Despite knowing what happened to Achilles, she still tries to do the same to Neoptolemus. Neoptolemus's horrible personality is portrayed as partly Thetis's fault. After Neoptolemus also fails, Thetis realizes that her attempt to elevate her descendants to immortality by suppressing their goodness and encouraging their bloodthirsty warrior aspect is flawed. In the end, she decides to free Patroclus's soul, thinking that this will make Achilles happy in Elysium.

So, these are the characters:

Characters who get in the way of the couple's romantic relationship and lead to abuse in some way, but who are tragic mother figures: Deidamia and Thetis.

Characters who are voiceless victims, but who serve in some way to develop male characters: Philomela (Patroclus' bad childhood), Iphigenia (Achilles' trauma), Chryseis (Patroclus' sympathy for slave women).

Characters who serve to characterize their husbands: Helen (Menelaus wants his wife back), Penelope (Odysseus misses home because he loves his wife. Again, I don't know what Penelope is like in Circe), Aegiale (Diomedes has a bad wife, perhaps the reason he is not as anxious as Menelaus or Odysseus to come back).

Friendly character: Briseis.

Briseis is the only female character who doesn't represent either the voiceless victim archetype that develops the male character (Philomela, Iphigenia, Chryseis) or the character who gets in the way of the romance (Thetis, Deidamia). The information about her is also really about her, rather than another character (Helen, Penelope, Aegiale). Still, a lot of what people like about her is her relationship with Patroclus more than her per se. Therefore, I can't imagine sapphic Patrochilles functioning in the TSOA universe, as they would likely be voiceless victims or characters who, while sympathetic to a certain extent, are people who only hurt others while trying to fulfill their desires. They, however, would likely be lesbians as TSOA eliminates any and all interest Achilles and Patroclus have in women and portrays them as apparently gay. They would also be monogamous, as is the case with Patrochilles in TSOA. While I like TSOA, female characters aren't its strong point. The TSOA universe makes MLM romance work, but I can't imagine a WLW romance in it. Sorry :/

Again, I didn't read Circe. I think it would be easier to answer if I had read Circe, as it has a female main character.

Also, to be fair: I would say that my genderbend is inspired by mythology in general and not specifically The Iliad. If it were The Iliad, I honestly don't think I would have much to do either. The mortal female characters (Briseis, Chryseis, Diomede, Helen, Cassandra, Hecuba, Andromache) are all in victim status in this context of war. Andromache and Helen, in particular, have a lot of voice, but in the end they still can't do much in their positions. Cassandra and Chryseis don't speak, Briseis only has one line. Hecuba doesn't get much attention either, we only know she grieves her sons. The more active female characters are all immortal (Thetis, Hera, Athena, Aphrodite). There is mention of the Amazon Otreta, but it's a quick mention. The Odyssey does better in this regard, in my opinion. Penelope has a lot of voice, and while she's not actively doing much right now, we know she's tried her hand at it before (e.g. tricking suitors with weaving). Nausicaa and Arete are portrayed as wise, and Nausicaa does help Odysseus. Helen also has a voice, and we know she collaborated with Odysseus in the Trojan War. The slave girls characters are less fortunate, as we don't know most of their personalities. We only know that Melantho was supposedly raised by Penelope, and Euryclea is the archetypal faithful slave. Anticlea is the portrait of the grieving mother, but this was already present in The Iliad because it is common in war contexts. This, of course, only considering mortal characters because, for example, Athena and Circe are very active. I think that sources from later periods have female characters of greater prominence and action, such as Medea in Argonautica, Atalanta in her various myths, Antigone in the plays of Sophocles and Euripides, etc, Penthesilea and Oenone in Posthomerica… my inspiration is largely in this type of character.

[valiantvillain]

Very often I find myself thinking about the fact that several Greek cities were probably left with women in charge for ten years while their kings & princes were at war. I mean between Clytemnestra, Penelope, and Aegiale (Diomedes' wife), these women were basically expected to hold down the fort until their husbands came back. Which kinda blows my mind bc while these men were going off to war and treating women like war prizes, their own fucking wives were ruling in their stead and probably having some real power and agency for the first time in their lives because for ten years they did not have to answer to their husbands. I dunno, just something that occasionally fascinates me and I want to write something about it sometime.

[regkatouargou]

Cyanippus and Cometes were friends till Cometes kicked his uncle out of Argos (he didn't tell him he kicked him out even after a few days, cya found it out by himself)

Cya tried to kill him but Aegiale stopped him

Source? 100% my brain.

[gallen]

Today's Date According to the Roman Calendar.

Modern Date : December 15th Market Day

The Consualia

This day (NP), is for special religious observance.

This also marks the beginning of the Halcyon Days, the seven days preceding and the seven days following the Winter Solstice. These were traditional days of peace and calm.

This day is sacred to Consus, the deity of Time, or who we sometimes personify as Father Time, whose exit we celebrate with the coming new year. The Temple of Consus is uncovered on this day and opened to public worship. Horse races and mule races were held in the Circus Maximus in his honor. As part of the ceremonies, the rex sacrorum would appear in full garb riding his horse-drawn chariot once around the Circus Maximus.

The emperor Nero, one of the most incompetent emperors ever to hold power, was born this day in 37 AD. He was born Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus at Antium (Anzio). Spoiled from birth, he was incapable of handling the affairs of state and spent his days languishing in feasts, orgies, and musical and poetic entertainment.

On this night about 10 PM, the constellation Taurus and the Pleiades will be on the meridian. Taurus the Bull was an ancient constellation to all the peoples of the ancient world. To the Greeks it represented Zeus in the form of the white bull who carried off Europa, for whom Europe was named. The Pleiades had special significance since they rising just before dawn heralded the planting season.

In Greece, on this day was held the Festival of Alcyone. Alcyone was the daughter of Aeolus, the guardian of the winds, and Aegiale. She married Ceyx of Trachis, son of Morningstar. Their happiness led to them being turned into kingfishers (halcyons or sea-hounds) by Hera. She is regarded as having the power to calm storms. Legend has it that she is the same Alcyone that leads the that leads the Pleiades. When the Pleiades rise in May, the seas are always calmed.

[orions-hound]

music log 1

[ioannisdg]

Ormos Aegiale, Amorgos - Greece

[auro-ria]

Entry for @dshou‘s contest!

[nyaseiru]

Drawn in September 2017

So uh, I don’t remember if I posted this?? And I can’t find it in my post archive so???????

[onenicebugperday]

Maguey worms or tequila worms are the caterpillars of two species of Lepidopteran that feed on agave plants. The caterpillars are not found in bottles of tequila, but rather some brands of mezcal, and usually as nothing more than a marketing gimmick. They’re also sometimes used in Mexican cuisine.

Photos 1-5 are the red maguey worm and adult moth, Comadia redtenbacheri, a type of carpenter moth in the family Cossidae.

Photos 6-9 are the white maguey worm and adult butterfly known as the tequila giant skipper, Aegiale hesperiaris.

Honorable mention to the agave weevil (combined photo 10/11), Scyphophorus acupunctatus, whose larva is also occasionally used in mezcal.

Photo credit: 1-2 by blakesito, 3 by maractwin, 4-5 by gcwarbler, 6 by sorilet14, 7 by eduardo_antonio_caro, 8-9 by flecksy, and 10/11 by simon_oliver and fabienpiednoir