#advs timeline: 2002

[koushirouizumi]

Meanwhile with Steve

Mimi, chatting animatedly: So THEN when Lilymon becomes Rosemon, Rosemon is GORGEOUS, and--- Steve, nodding along: (Sounds nice {for them}.) Mimi, waving hands: And has this cool attack called "Tiferet", where Rosemon shoots them out at the enemy aND--- STEVE: Steve, Looking IMMEDIATELY at Palmon: Palmon, Looking Back: STEVE: (SAME HAT...) Palmon, NODDING: (SAME ... 'Hat')

[izzyizumi]

{I'm really late acknowledging this post on this blog, but I did want to eventually clear some things up...}

(Shabbat was spelled correctly!) [Though there can be variations in spelling too, like "Shabbos" in Yiddish.]

Anyway Anonymous here was very much Valid when it came to having Jewish Chosen headcanons.

But re: Jewish holidays in 2002 specifically, Hanukkah / Chanukah for Hebrew Year 5763 began on Friday, 29 November 2002 and ended on Saturday, 7 December 2002, so the dinner would have had to be very post-Hanukkah in 2002 if it was around Hanukkah specifically, as this question has also been asked a couple times by other fans inquiring about '02 timeline' things. (And Daisuke and 02 Chosen didn't travel until closer to X-mas in the timeline, '~canonically~'...)

{Cap by Me}

{The time Daisuke & Ken & Yamato arrived on Miami Beach in 2002, 12/24, X-mas Eve, at "10:15 P.M." time-mark exactly, 'Canonically' = "12:15 P.M." on 12/25, X-mas day, in comparison} [Thanks timezones!! (Miami is in E.S.T, Eastern time zone!)]

{On a personal detail...: Part of my family literally lived in Miami during this year - so we do have memories of the exact ""timeline""!} (Down to weather...)

(Fun Fact: Hanukkah 2003 the very next year, in comparison, began 9 December 2003 and ended on 27 December 2003! So if any Chosen Children shenanigans were happening around X-mas in the following year, they'd very much likely be aware of Hanukkah happening right around the same timeframe and NOT wholly ignorant of it or the fact that Jews, you know, exist in this world that this real!!!-world timeline is based on and in this very series' canon.)

{Also because Jewish-American Chosen Child Steve & Frigimon existed while literally meeting Daisuke and others in New York!}

In the Japanese version, the only line here shown was "In the end, the Chosen Children saved the world from danger. ...", so nothing else specific was noted about the Russian Chosen in this scene, and honestly it's still ALSO my head-canon that one or two of the three are Jewish specifically too - but that this, specifically is an inter-faith gathering seen if so. (Hanukkah is not the same as X-mas, and the X-mas tree in the background would indicate at least one of them likely did celebrate X-mas specifically, but yes!) {As in, the X-mas decorations seen would just be exactly/mainly that to a Jewish Chosen Child: decorations.}

In comparison, Shabbat begins every Friday evening at sundown.

So Shabbat in the year 2002 that week would have been on the following Friday, 27 December 2002 and ending the next Saturday evening, 28 December 2002. (The 24~25th would have been Tuesday~Wednesday.)

On that note, Hanukkah this year (2022!) begins on December 18th going through until December 26th!

[Note: If you are going to reply to or comment on this, please be respectful, since this is a topic involving Jewish people and differences between Christianity and Judaism.] {And yes, I am aware that 'X-mas' is 'celebrated' in Japan somewhat differently; even then the differences are important to note, ok.}

Since Russians celebrate Christmas on January 7th, I always assumed one of the Russian Digidestined was Jewish and that dinner we saw the main three having was a Shabbat dinner, or maybe one of them had the others over for a quaint little Hanukkah dinner post Digimon crisis.

(Kenta note: According to my spellcheck Shabbat is spelled wrong, but since I don’t know otherwise, I’m leaving it as is.)

[digitalgate02]

The UPDATED (OG) Adventure universe’s Partnership double year math count

Updated Digimon Adventure OG Timeline’s Partnership Math Count List 

Not particularly spoilers from the movie, just stuff stated by the official timeline from the pre-release stream for the movie in Japan (Oct 26)

Early 80s - Oikawa Yukio & Hida Hiroki make the first contact with the Digital World, befriend Pipimon (no partnerships)

1995 - Hikari and Taichi find a Koromon egg* (no partnerships)

1996 - 2 (Rui; someone else gets a digimon later in that year*)

1997 - 4 (Menoa)

1998 - 8 (Possibly the previous 5 mentioned from Adv’99 anime/novels)

1999 - 16 (Adv Eight, Meiko*)

2000 - 32 (Ken*)

2001 - 64 (Michael)

2002 - 128 (Daisuke, Miyako, Iori)

2003 - 256

2004 - 512

2005 - 1,024

2006 - 2,048

2007 - 4,096

2008 - 8,192

2009 - 16,384

2010 - 32,768

2011 - 65,536

2012 - 131,072

2013 - 262,144

2014 - 524,288

2015 - 1.048,576

2016 - 2.097,152

2017 - 4.194,304

2018 - 8.388,608

2019 - 16.777,216

2020 - 33.554,432

2021 - 67.108,864

2022 - 134.217,728

2023 - 268.435,456

2024 - 536.870,912

2025 - 1.073.741,824

2026 - 2.147.483,648

2027 -  4.294.967,296

2028 (02 Epilogue) - 8.589.934,592

↓ Original notes + "Why there's still no retcon of the lore" below ↓

First, the OG notes from the outdated post:

→ This count is not about “which was the very first digimon-human contact”, and yes about people with a digivice. Because if we were going to count who was the first human to have contact with a digimon, it’s actually two and they’re Oikawa Yukio and Iori’s dad, Hida Hiroki.

→ I’m ignoring all the inconsistencies with other material (WS & ▽) because they seem to not match well with the original count. So, in this case, Ken’s statement in the anime (Aug 2000) is the one to be accounted for here. I don’t know if Ryo counts as Chosen (possibly yes, judging by 02 flashbacks) but I’m not sure where to place him here.

→ I’m only adding Michael to the count, even if he’s not a main character and yes a side character, because 02 ep 14 had this statement regarding him. And I like Michael too so, let me have him there :V

→ Menoa states in the movie she met Morphomon when she was nine, and according to the Dash X novel version, she’s the same age as Taichi. Which means she became a Chosen in 1997.

→ I couldn’t think of how to include Maki & Daigo’s group in this because ▽ contradicts with the original lore’s math – The fact the Pt4 book released with the movie on Japanese theaters state them being in Elementary School the time they went to their adventure in the DW, and later the confession scene means they’re in University/College makes them possibly been Chosen Children way before 1995, and I’d take it granted that they were chosen by someone else IF weren’t for the Homeostasis being involved in the scene and the digivice being way too modern for that time (it was basically Taichi group’s model. If you look at Rui’s digivice in the leaked footage from DigiFes2022, his model seems to be different and an older version)

→ That said, Meiko is the only character in ▽ that does not fall into contradiction with the math count. Because in 1999 there was not only Taichi’s group, but also other 8 non-featured Chosen according to Kakudou’s notes. So we can consider Meiko one of those other 8 children.

→ When it comes to Wallace, I prefer to think he is game in the original math – Taichi and Hikari met that Koromon in 95, but they had no digivice until 1999. Which means it can be possible that Wallace had encountered Gummy-Choco’s egg before 1995 and only became an official Chosen Child later.

Now, the new notes:

→ To avoid spoiling any detail about the movie itself, I’ll make sure to tell you they might have changed how the math works only. It’s not like, “everyone gets a digimon at the same time” but rather… “A X number of people get partnered with a digimon in different periods of a year�� – Which means yes, you can still count Rui and Ukkomon as the origins of the Digimon partnership, but that later in the same year someone else (or, say, Wallace in the main timeline) got a partner months later.

→ That said, I’m opting to update this list and work within the idea that various sources of partnership (Homeostasis, Holy Beasts, etc) can be counted in the math. Remember – Homeostasis (not referred to as this in the OG series but yes in the novels) had selected Taichi & co., but the Holy Beasts chose Dai-Miya-Iori. And some other entity probably chose Ken in August 2000. This could explain why there’s a higher number of partnerships happening at the same time in Adv’99 and 02.

→ As I mentioned before, and indirectly supported by the staff (check the official timeline at the top of the list), ▽ has violated the lore to the point it goes in direct conflict with the new 02 movie and the entire timeline. So I guess it’s better to consider ▽ as its own timeline/Alternate universe than forcing it into the main timeline.

→ That said, and since Meiko does exist in Kizuna/main timeline, I suppose Maki and Daigo also do exist, and maybe they got their “ages” retconned and down to something suitable to the universe’s math count. They can still be part of the previous five kids mentioned in Adv’99 anime/novels, but they are probably around their teen years, or even early 20s instead, not fully adults working for the government I suppose. Or alternatively, just not Chosen yet. Pick your favorite route, Maki/Daigo fans!!

→ Yes, the Koromon from the very first movie IS NOT THE SAME PARTNERED WITH TAICHI. This never was confirmed, and was just fandom's theory. Considering how ▽ also made this mistake and possibly was one of the lore's violation, I prefer to believe this means it's not the same Koromon/Agumon partnered with Taichi in Adv'99.

[izzyizumi]

Digimon Adventure 02 (Japanese Version) ~ World Tour Arc + (International) / U.S. {American} Chosen Children

+ Assisted by Daisuke Motomiya [+Mimi Tachikawa] (Japanese Chosen) & “Benjamin” (New York’s Younger!Gennai Clone)

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Sam and FlareLizamon - Black {“Phil” in U.S. English dub, as they had to differentiate from “Sam Ichijouji”, known as “Osamu” in the J.P.N} Steve and Yukidarumon - American Jew Lou & Tortomon - Indigenous Maria & Centalmon - Hispanic-American Tatum & Airdramon - Irish-American (+Wallace & Betamon / Seadramon) + Mimi Tachikawa (when Mimi is in New York)

My Commentary: Steve was confirmed by Toei to be a Jew in the “Digimon Memorial Book”, published after 02 had ended. However, It is important to remember that Steve would likely not be celebrating “only” Inter-faith X-mas here (if Steve did join in), but ALSO Hanukkah / Chanukah earlier in the month and previous month. Chanukah in 2002, however, was November 29th ~ December 7th, and these scenes took place closer to December 25th. But that doesn’t mean Steve wouldn’t have noted Chanukah at all earlier that year, and it’s good to note that when we’re discussing 02′s “real-world based” “timeline”!

Tatum was also confirmed to be Irish-American in the Memorial Book. She is partnered to an Airdramon.

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[koushirouizumi]

Meanwhile with Steve & Frigimon {DigiAdvs 02}

Some random Person, nearby, as Steve, Mimi, Michael, and the rest of N.Y./U.S. Chosen are at the/a restaurant: Ugh, I hATE---- STEVE, swivelling around: Excuse me? That random Person: That random Person, quieting: Everyone Else: Frigimon: (Just like that...) Frigimon, tapping to get Steve's attention: Steve, turning back around, ready to...: MIMI: So, anyway----

[koushirouizumi]

Meanwhile with Steve & Frigimon {DigiAdvs... 02??}

"Beelzebu"mon, glowering at Steve: Steve, eyebrows raised back: Beelzebumon: Steve: :) Beelzebumon, groaning: WHAT Steve, cheerily: "Xmas Alone", huh?... Beelzebumon, huffing: What ABOUT IT. Steve: You know... Steve: A "Certain other" 'observance' I know falls right around the same time this year... but it's actually a bit /earlier/. Steve: Sometimes it's even around the start of the month, too. It's not our "most important" one, but... Beelzebumon: Beelzebumon: I can't participate though. Steve: Maybe not 'like that', but that aside... Steve: Do you think *I* would turn you away? Beelzebumon: Beelzebumon, HUFFING: Steve: :) Steve: Anyway, you might have to disguise your "form" a little, but come to the Chanukah observance Beelzebumon: ... Steve: We have latkes! Among others. Beelzebumon: I'm listening. Frigimon: (You should go to learn some /other/ things, too.) Beelzebumon: (I GET IT.) Beelzebumon: (The food's /probably/ good though.) Frigimon: (It's Good.) Beelzebumon: Steve: (Taichi's helping with cooking this year, too. So we'll have Enough.)

[koushirouizumi]

Meanwhile with Steve & Frigimon {DigiAdvs 02}

Sometime post-DigiAdvs 02, Steve & Frigimon encounter an ""enemy?""... ""Lilith""mon: Steve, Not Smiling: Lilithmon: Steve: Lilithmon: Steve, flatly: What are you doing here? Lilithmon: Why do /you/ accuse me? Steve: "This" isn't /your/ "true form". Not by a /long shot/. Lilithmon, raising eyebrows, haughtily: Oh~? Steve: Why are you "here" in "THAT" form? Lilithmon: Lilithmon: WELL, it's NOT like I only /briefly/ ""CHOSE"", THIS form, or aNYTHINg, (so I could)--- Steve: I KNOW /you'd/ much rather be "there". Lilithmon: Steve, crossing arms: You knew we would question you the second we /heard your name/, and realized the contexts of what you were /seemingly/ "up to", and that we'd tell everyone /else/ as soon as we did? Lilithmon: (*exasperated sigh!!1!*) Frigimon: (She tried.) Frigimon: (But Steve can't let this slide.) Steve, cheerily: AnyWAY, so I know about a certain "place"... Lilithmon: ??! Frigimon: (...She understood immediately.)

[izzyizumi]

DigiAdvs 02 ~ J.P.N Version ~ TIMELINE(?) {+Issues} + Landing on "MAIAMI..." 'Beach' - on 12-24-02 "10:15 P.M." E.S.T Time

Observations from quick re-watching: - I was thinking Daisuke had worn jacket longer (he did still wear it in immediate aftermath) but Daisuke DID take it off in-between + others too (THANKS TOEI) For Including That Minor Important Detail

- This site gave me Temp readings above According to knowledge of People I Know (This Should Be) Mostly Correct Temp readings for 2002? (People I Know: "No, that'd be perfect weather!!!") ("They {probably} wouldn't be wearing JACKETS")

- MICHAEL STILL SHOWS UP IN FULL-ON JACKET - OUTSIDE - MICHAEL I appreciate you but TAKE OFF THE Jacket mAYBE...

- There were more than 3 random people on the beach (1st img) - All of them were (for the most part) adults - THEY SHOULD Have Digis at some point probably But (Well TM) - They did see + acknowledge Imperialdramon ("A monster!!1!") - Daisuke & co. immediately put full-on outfits back on while on the way to the airport (Again Are You Still At "MAIAMI" Or Not) - Did they leave from M.I.A {airport}????? - Wow I Could Tell You Abt That Place - Ok but UNLIKELY It'd be that ... - Easy to Not Be Detected ON X-MAS EVE????? - IT WAS LIKE 10 P.M. STILL???? - But You Know Fantasy TM - Alternatively there's also F.L.L. but... Hmm - I can say there was at least one time where I Myself TM left from there at 4 A.M.~ E.S.T pretty easily that was ONE TIME Though!!! - I Don't Want To Test Otherwise - Honorifics wise, Michael uses "Daisuke" plain for Daisuke, "Ken-kun", "Yamato-san"... - I'm still mad @ Toei that we don't have more Chosen from here!!!!! - I AM Allowed My Opinions On This - Fight me once you've been to M.I.A. airport and the like - ok but no genuinely which airport is it - Do with the info above what you will - DO NOT talk to me abt this scene (or the concept of Chosen from here) unless You Want me to YELL

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[koushirouizumi]

Sometime after 02, Steve & Frigimon and Koushiro are chatting, for once in person: Koushiro: You know, we -- I -- /immensely/ appreciate your help, but... Steve: "But"? Koushiro: We're-- I'm- a little concerned about yo-- Steve: ( Huh... ) Koushiro: You just keep... (Kind of awkwardly vague motions with hands in a way Koushiro usually tries to Not Let Show) Steve, filling in words for Koushiro: Kind of randomly appearing, solving the problem, and leaving to--? Koushiro, light nodding but firm: Steve: ( ... Laugh ) Koushiro, blinking, not quite Getting: Um-- Steve, casually: I mean, I really /do/ usually have those things to do... and then we {insert activity like classes, Synagogue etc} so it just 'happens' Steve, genuine: Sorry if I'm worrying you, though. Koushiro, totally not about to blush in nervousness: N-Not at all--!! (Stammering, waving hands) Steve: (That's really cute that Koushiro cares.) Frigimon, looking back and forth between them: Frigimon, to Steve: (You have 'that' kind of expression again) Steve: ('Hush, Koushiro's a kind person and') Steve: ('Besides, I'm way too invested in what's going on between Koushiro and that Friend that Koushiro keeps bringing up, anyway') Frigimon: ('You're 'fond' of Koushiro too, though') Steve: ('I said HUSH...') Steve: ('Koushiro IS cute like this though') Koushiro, meanwhile, glancing back and forth between them: "????? ??? ?? ? ?" Steve: (''Taichi-san' sounds like a lucky one.')

[koushirouizumi]

Sometime post DigiAdventure 02, Steve & Frigimon encounter... a... Pump{kin}mon: Pumpmon, pointing a finger: You will pa-- Steve, cheerfully interrupting: Oh, I don't think so! We still have to plan our Purim outfits. Frigimon: (Nodding affirmingly, because Frigimon wants to wear one too) Pumpmon:

[koushirouizumi]

This article (from Dec 2003) has some bio-normative language and such, but it's still relevant to topics I talk about here.

[koushirouizumi]

Sometime not long post-02, Steve & Frigimon finally get the chance to be approached by... Qinglongmon: Qinglongmon: Steve, smiling: Qinglongmon: Steve, smiling: Steve, slow grinning: ... So, this is a little awkward, because I don't necessarily 'fully' believe in your existence, but... Qinglongmon: ( *coughs* ) Steve: I don't mind helping out, I'm just a little confused why we weren't included from the beginning. Steve: We were "Chosen" around the same time too, weren't we? Koushiro's explained it to me. Because Koushiro's super helpful and guided us where Koushiro could when we were newer and didn't know a lot. Qinglongmon: It's a little "complicated"-- Steve: Yeah, I get it. Steve: But it'd be nice to be "in the know" now. Qinglongmon: ( *t WITCHING* ) Steve, cheerfully: ... Which is why you should help out Frigimon & I with helping the others. Qinglongmon: ( *t W I TCHING*) ..... Steve: A power-up (similar to theirs) might be nice. Qinglongmon: Qinglongmon: Consider it done. Steve, equally cheerfully: {in Yiddish} Thanks! Frigimon: ('You know, you're really unnerving a lot of them?') Steve: ('You know why...') Frigimon: ('I know, but I can't say it wasn't also amusing to see Qinglongmon like that...')

[koushirouizumi]

Steve & Frigimon, encountering literally any evil 'Mon or villain in the series, human or not, including when: with Adventures Chosen, enemy 'Mons: Prepare to be destrOY--- Steve, quietly but firmly: Let my people go. Enemy 'Mons: Adventures Chosen: Frigimon, Long Glancing at Enemy 'Mons, communicating silently or not: (You heard...) Enemies/Enemy 'Mons: And if {I}/{we} don't? Steve: We'll kick your butt because you're trying to kill us, we survive, Steve: (Well, maybe not without mishaps first, but) Steve: ..and then we TAICHI & DAISUKE & all Partners, ALL PUNCHING the Air as Daisuke yells out: EAT!!! Steve: -- What Daisuke and them said. Koushiro, mentally laughing: (Some things never change...) Enemy 'Mons: Daisuke, sometime after the Enemy 'Mons were, of course, defeated / reformed / what have you: DUDE, you are awesome---?!? Steve: (I'm not sure if I should say 'it just slipped out' or 'I planned to say that all along'.) Frigimon: ('It just slipped out', huh...)

[koushirouizumi]

Sometime during / after Adventures, Steve and Frigimon encountering... yet again a Devimon?: Devimon: Prepare to be destr--- Steve: You know, the concept of your 'being' exists differently to my people, at times, not at all? Devimon: Steve: If people don't 'believe' in you... Devimon: (!!!) Steve: (Do you---) Devimon: You can go. Steve: (in {Yiddish!}) "Thank you." Devimon, definitely not twitching: ... Steve, not looking back: Steve: (If you think you're winning...) Steve, later on, messaging Koushiro as quick as possible: (So, you know, "Devi"---)