#about visenya

[randomestfandoms-ocs]

Now I need to ask! Do you already have planned some of the dragons for your hotd babies? Names, colours, personality... anything really (my big kitties 🥺)

yesss I sure as heck do

Ayron – Vīlībāzmio black with a red diamondback pattern; black eyes; very much a war dragon, the two of them are really the leaders of Viserys' army. Like his rider, Vīlībāzmio has an exceptional amount of patience but never forgets a wrong, only bides his time. One of the largest dragons left in the world, he is not one for fancy flying or showing off tricks but he is one of the fastest dragons, and his brute force is exceptional – if he flies into another dragon, he will knock their rider off their back and send the dragon to the ground

Carlys – Jaedos (The Queen’s Guard); he is black with gold scales and darker gold wings; green eyes; he is very playful but extremely protective of Carlys, gets huffy with anyone other than Aegon and their kids being too close to her; very small, because he stays indoors at all times he never properly grows

Daenyra – Mīsio (The Frost Dragon); used to be black and gold, now white and silver; blue eyes; Mīsio used to be a normal dragon, but after flying north with Daenyra and then years beyond the wall, she started to fade from black and gold to white and silver, her previously black eyes turned ice blue, and she began to breathe ice instead of fire. She is fiercely protective of her rider, hardly letting anyone get close enough to touch her. When they return to King's Landing, Mīsio refuses to stay in the dragon pit, instead finding herself a cave to dwell in. Daenyra has gotten better about not running from confrontations, but when she was younger she loved to avoid conversations by jumping out of windows, trusting that Mīsio would catch her. She and Aegon were the only ones of her siblings to have dragon eggs in their cribs from birth, Mīsio hatching when Daenyra was only a month old, and it is reflected in the bonds that they have with their dragons.

Daessa – Valaera (sometimes called Moonfyre); navy (almost black) scales with lighter blue-grey wings; black eyes; Valaera is from the same clutch as Sunfyre, the dusk to his dawn. Though almost complete opposites in appearance (both colouring and Valaera being very small compared to Sunfyre) the two are very similar in personality. She is very loyal to Daessa, and it is often said that she seems to understand what Daessa wants without any need for words. She is capable of great force in battle, but is very playful and loves to fly with Daessa just for fun, doing tricks in the air and flying close enough to the water to splash her rider. Despite the divide between Blacks and Greens, Sunfyre and Valaera remain bonded, and have had clutches of their own. Although Daessa named her Valaera, she was nicknamed Moonfyre by Aegon due to her similarities to Sunfyre

Rhaella – Vermithor (the Bronze Fury); bronze body with tan wings; personality; previously the dragon of King Jaehaerys but when Jaehaerys died, Vermithor claimed Rhaella as his new rider (who had lost her previous dragon) – some tried to claim that this should have marked Rhaella as Jaehaerys’ rightful heir, but she remained steadfast in support of Rhaenys’ claim

Rhaeya – Starfyre; gold scales fading into a silver underbelly & silver wings; silver eyes; Starfyre is considered one of the most even tempered dragons around. Much like her rider, she is very calm and well behaved, but will get aggressive if she feels that Rhaeya is in danger. She is on the smaller side, well suited to stealth, and very well suited to help Rhaeya sneak around to see Jace. Although often considered docile and "tame", when Starfyre does feel that she or Rhaeya is being threatened, she is capable of extreme violence, and once ate a soldier who attempted to grab Rhaeya's arm in order to bring her back to the Keep. Although less overtly aggressive than some of the other dragons, she also never cowers to them, always standing her ground – much like how Rhaeya behaves with her family.

Saera – Syndor (The Cannibal); coal black; green eyes; personality; he didn’t have a name when he claimed Saera but she calls him Syndor, the Valyrian word for Shadow.  He claimed her rather than the other way around; Rhaenyra had been sent to Dragonstone for the duration of her pregnancy and the day that Saera was born, all of Dragonstone could hear the Cannibal roaring.  The first day that Saera was brought outside of the castle walls, he swooped down from above and landed right in front of Rhaenyra and Saera, staring them down until Rhaenyra very carefully approached, and he only began to calm when little baby Saera reached out to pat his scales.  As she got older, he remained a constant presence, keeping a safe distance from everyone but always *there*, vicious and violent still to everyone but her 

Vaella – Silverwing; pale silvery-purple scales with pale purple belly, dark purple wings; purple eyes; personality; Vaella doesn't get her own egg and, like aemond, never claimed a dragon but during her miscarriage and almost dying, Silverwing flew from Dragonstone to King's Landing, roaring loudly and being impossible to settle until she finally saw her girl (more painfully, the first Moment™ that Vaella has with a dragon is burning the body of her own child, but Silverwing then shields her with a wing and forces everyone to give her space)

Visenya – Perzys; dark red scales with a white underbelly; white wings; dark purple eyes; Perzys is from Silverwing's last clutch, an egg that all had believed to have turned to stone decades before. Visenya's egg never hatched as an infant, but as a toddler she came across Perzys' egg and took to carrying it with her everywhere until eventually it hatched. For many years, Perzys could always be found with Visenya, sitting on her shoulder until he became too large to do so. Many in the Keep opposed it, but Viserys always indulged her, wanting to encourage the bond his daughters had with their dragons. Because Perzys was so much smaller than Syrax, he was not considered to be as well suited for battle, but his small size and impressive agility allowed he and Visenya an advantage over many of the bulkier dragons, being able to fly in between other dragons with ease, with a speed comparable only to Meleys and Sunfyre

[visenyaism]

we’re seeing levels of genderweird here previously thought impossible

[daeneryseastar]

i’m being so serious rn i’m going to need tg to stop glomping onto half of rhaenyra’s kids 🫨

jace would NEVER abandon his family to back aegon’s claim (‘wah wah wah he HATES his mother bc she *made* him a bastard-’ one, jace does not care enough about that to abandon his mother [to whom he is literally the miniature version of] and two, his entire personality is his love for his family. he literally dies trying to save aegon and viserys *after* his mom told him not to go fuck OFF).

rhaena would also *never* abandon her family to back aegon’s claim (apparently she’ll feel sorry about blood & cheese and want to make amends with them. i don’t think so, i think she’d be more upset that her betrothed was ruthlessly slaughtered despite his status as a peace envoy but whatever).

baela is one of rhaenyra’s staunchest supporters (‘the greens reach to usurp our queen’s throne and they must be answer with fire and blood.’ i DO NOT care that it didn’t make it into the show that is canon!baela) and does *not* want driftmark (which only corlys has a say in, and he chose bAsTaRdS over her and rhaena at every single turn don’t even mention it), so stop trying to conflate your hatred of rhaenyra onto her daughter.

aegon iii would never have been happy married to jaehaera and vice versa. these were two heavily traumatized children. jaehaera would have to deal with being married to the son of the man who had her brother executed (not to mention that she already had severe physical and mental health issues that were not being treated and the people around her [aegon ii before he died and alicent after] were actively making her life worse). aegon would have to deal with being married to the daughter of the man who had his dragon burn and eat his mother alive while he watched. which he never ended up letting go of (even with a wife who we know he obviously loved dearly) he wore black for the rest of his life and was stated to be the most solemn king due to what he experienced during the dance. there was no saving them.

leave. them. alone.

[darkestspring]

Visenya would be chopping off the hands of anyone who tried to touch her stark!wife’s pregnant belly (because for some odd reason people always have the urge to just touch peoples pregnant bellies)

Then without skipping a beat she’d continue on with their conversation

visenya is already incredibly protective of her wife before she was pregnant but it becomes so much worse after you announce your pregnancy to them.

visenya starts choosing violence first. she nonchalantly cuts a lord hand clean off of his wrist without breaking a sweat.

"anyways, my love. you wanted to see the flowers?" she smiles at you, leading you away.

you stare down at the man clutching at the bleeding stump with concern. "Should we not call a maester?"

"Someone will come soon enough." and if no one did, it wasn't a big loss.

[cmhcny]

if I was daemon targaryen i would make the fact that im the wielder of dark sister everyone’s problem, oh i would be insufferable!

[aeriondripflame]

want to make a little pushback on the idea that visenya made maegor for the sole purpose of usurping aenys as heir. like, visenya presented the rhaena/maegor marriage as a way to fix the apparent succession issue they never had a premeditated plan for usurpation. maegor patiently served aenys as hand up until his exile. he didn’t even think of usurping until after the death of his brother and the subsequent rebellions all over the continent. maegor wasn’t made to replace aenys, he was made to support him.

[atopvisenyashill]

Thoughts on the Alysanne is Maegor's daughter AU? I feel like it has some interesting potential, and it vastly recontextualizes different parts of Jaehaehae (I do not like him sjsjsjs) and Alysanne's relationship (such as Jaehaehae's treatment of their daughters) but I wanna hear what you think about it!

I’ve touched on this a bit before but since you actually want to hear my thoughts, allow me to present to you my Jaehaerys Is The Goddamn Worst, And Alysanne Annoys Me Too: An Essay lmao but my answer is basically “yeah all of what you just said.”

I think it makes Alysanne much more palatable (to me) as a character because as she stands, she just fixates on forcing her daughters through these fucked up marriages at too young an age bc it traumatized her to be married and pregnant at 15 too but she’d never admit that being a willing participant in her own kidnapping by her brother-husband was the single worst thing that ever happened to her, and because Alysanne doesn’t want to admit it (and Jaehaerys would never see it as wrong or a mistake) F&B really shies away from delving into the fact that Alysanne is as deranged of a mother as Cersei is. So as she stands, she’s very flat to me because she’s presented very flatly and inconsistently. She’s so in love with Jaehaerys, she’s maritally raped by Jaehaerys, she’s a loving and doting mother, she forces her daughters into marriages when they’re the same too young age she was, she accuses her teenage girls of being scheming whores then gets angry when her husband accuses their teenage girls of being scheming whores, and worst of all we are just told “Maegelle tells them to make up so they do” so we don’t know why Alysanne gets over all of this. What is the point of riding a dragon when you never use that dragon to protect your daughters from unwanted teen marriages? We’re just not given a good enough justification for why her behavior is so weird and frustrating towards her daughters.

Make her Maegor’s daughter though…most of her behavior as an adult makes more sense. Like a worse version of Rhaenyra’s childhood almost - a father desperate for a son, but lowkey obsessed with his daughter, who makes all his hang ups about his parents the problems of every woman around him, except Maegor is out here blood sacrificing and torturing and starting wars and forcing babies on wives he discards quickly and brutally. Then here comes Jaehaerys on a white horse green dragon to save her from the horror her life has become, and he loves her so much he runs away with her even though Alyssa says they shouldn’t marry because people won’t like it. And they have beautiful children, and a beautiful marriage, and build a beautiful kingdom.

Then her pregnancies start getting dangerous. Gaemon, then Valerion, die. Alysanne thinks of the shriveled up mutants she called brothers, if Maegor’s taint has passed to her. Her perfect husband ignores her no, and forces Gael on her. Alysanne remembers that he said nothing to Rogar when Alyssa died, merely wept. Then her daughters start to die. Daella, Alyssa, Viserra, all within a few years. Then Jaehaerys makes Saera watch as he murders her boyfriend, calls her a whore, and says Alysanne cannot follow Saera to Lys. Alysanne thinks of Maegor torturing the Harroways over Alys’ presumed infidelity. Jaehaerys says he’s sorry, and her daughter badgers her into forgiving him, and she remembers how she helped Jaehaerys badger Alyssa into forgiving Rogar. Not two years later, Jaehaerys passes over Rhaenys. Alysanne thinks of how she was never enough for her father, how she felt so superior to Rhaena banished to Dragonstone and resented by Aerea, yet there she is dragging Gael away from court because she can’t stand to be with Jaehaerys. How her father was surrounded by dead women and dead babies and how Jaehaerys is surrounded by his own dead daughters, but surely she did the right thing, surely Maegor was worse, surely the realm is better off? Is he right to pass over Rhaenys? Is she enabling a man just as monstrous as her father? She will never decide, because Maegelle will guilt her about keeping Gael isolated at Dragonstone, and Alysanne will do as she’s told, just like Rhaena, and Alyssa, and Jeyne, Elinor, Ceryse, Alys, and Tyanna, just like every one of her daughters.

I do get why Alysanne is Alyssa & Aenys’ and not Maegor’s. The weird Targ babies, the line not descending from Visenya, Jaehaerys and Alysanne being held up as the perfect Targaryen couple specifically because they are brother and sister and dragon riders. I do even think canon Alysanne is likely traumatized by her time as a hostage on Dragonstone, and the ensuing war, and the trauma bond that caused with Jaehaerys, and it makes her idolize Jaehaerys, and then he isolates her at Dragonstone so he can swiftly and safely marry, groom, and knock her up. It’s not like,,,, a fun time, and it’s enough to make anyone crazy and weird about their daughters, but I think having her father be Maegor makes Alysanne herself much deeper because it gives her, as the most beloved Targaryen queen, a blood tie to the most hated Targaryen king, and a marriage to the most beloved Targaryen king. It fits better with a lot of the themes of the main series (again, imo) - forcing the spotlight on the outsiders to see how the affect the story from behind the scenes. The fall of Aegon’s sons, and The Long Reign, not told from the PoV or to serve the PoV of any of the kings or princes, but of the queen that tied them all together.

[whateverthought]

Y'all are so goofy when you say, "This Tagaryen would be Team X!" or "This Targaryen would hate this character!"

Visenya wanted to betroth 11 year-old Maegor with infant Rhaena, because of Succession Concerns, and then did have him marry Ceryse Hightower, who was 23, when he was 13. Aegon obviously believed in polyamory.

Jaehaerys and Alysanne also would have betrothed Rhaenyra and Aegon, though Jaehaerys would have just passed her over anyway. After Rhaenyra's first bastard son was born, he would have sent her to Oldtown to become a Silent Sister, like with Saera. Or maybe he would have done it after the Daemon Brothel Situation.

Alysanne while a supporter of Rhaenys, was the one to suggest the Silent Sisters as well as the one to create all those terrible matches. Daemon with Rhea, Daella with her choice of 3 grown ass men in their 40s with heirs, and the similar Viserra situation where she gave the excuse of "Duty". Not to mention the suspicious ass situation with Gael and her bastard.

Aemma also believed in duty, and was raised in the second most religious Seven-related place, the Vale. She also would have been aghast at her daughter having bastards.

Do I think Aemma would like Alicent? I don't know, but she wouldn't have supported bastards. Would Visenya care about Rhaenyra becoming Queen? Well, she would have hated Viserys for being weak and soft.

[chelireads]

hello!! since you're asking for ideas, how about... papa daemon playing with chunky chubby baby aegon 🤔

I was summoned by chunky chubby baby Aegon and while I didn’t draw them playing I think this is still sweet

The concept sketch and the work in progress because it was meant to remain a sketch but I went a lil overboard so now it’s a wip

Daemon has a papa tax whenever the hatchlings sneak into their parents bed.

Aegon is paying the papa tax

[emptyportrait]

Oh, yeah i have some speculations about HBO adaptation of aegon's conquest. Rest assured that the plot will be surrounded by a drunken lout middle child who on a spur of the moment decides to conquer an entire continent. An alleged dark sorceress firstborn who'd probably be jealous of her younger sister. The doomed youngest child who will embrace death first. [She also loved music, dancing, and poetry, but those traits might be erased cause who cares, right??] A half-brother who will be portrayed as a backbiter and harbouring resentment towards the conqueror trio because he is a bastard. I won't be surprised at all if Harren the Black is shown as a tragic figure. And it may also feature a happy and harmonious westeros where everyone lived amiably before evil megalomaniac freaks with purple eyes, who also rides fire breathing flying lizards decided to invade them.

[g0lightly]

Visenya and Rhaenys; Rhaena and Alysanne; Sansa and Arya: An analysis of older and younger sisters' relationships to love and duty in Westeros

While Arya may be the more obvious Visenya comparison at first glance due to her inclination toward warfare, bear in mind that both Rhaenys and Visenya were warriors; arguably, Visenya's impact on Westeros is more defined by her diplomacy (an art Sansa has been learning her entire arc, specifically in the Vale and the Crownlands, the places Visenya conquered) while Rhaenys' impact is one of a warrior (specifically in the place that Arya's direwolf's namesake once ruled). I think that Sansa will ultimately be the Stark sister to fall into the Visenya archetype while Arya is more of the Rhaenys.

To be clear, this analysis is more about the Fire and Blood characters' roles in the story than their actual personalities since the text inherently leaves F&B characters' personalities way more open for interpretation than any POV character. With that in mind, I will be commenting on choices made by F&B characters that demonstrate character traits that the Stark girls also demonstrate and situations/events that mirror their stories. I also do not think that any character in ASOIAF is ever anything even close to a perfect 1:1 of any other character and do not intend to imply that this is the case.

Here's a previous reblog with my commentary on this subject, some of which I will repeat here. To summarize that commentary, I believe that Visenya and Rhaena (who directly compared herself to Visenya while comparing Alysanne to Rhaenys) establish a pattern of eldest sisters who were sought-after wives due to their place in the line of succession but ultimately choose to buck the rules when they realize their sense of duty to the system they live under will never truly help them. I strongly believe that Sansa is on her way to a similar arc and that this is (at least partially) what Lady's death means for her story.

Though one may be quick to think of Rhaenys as a more dutiful wife than Visenya since she is framed as the more traditional of the two women, I would like to remind my fellow readers that Visenya married Aegon for duty while Rhaenys married him for love. Visenya also established the first Kingsguard along with its vows because she believed that Aegon's guards were not attentive enough -- not unlike Sansa establishing the Brotherhood of the Winged Knight in the Vale to protect the young Lord Robert Arryn. While Sansa does not wish to be a warrior herself, she loves everything to do with knights, tourneys, and heraldry -- that is more of the way I see her emulating Visenya.

Regarding Visenya's diplomacy in the Vale specifically, I think it is notable that the Vale during the conquest was ruled by a regent on behalf of a boy king, not unlike Sweetrobin and Littlefinger. Though one might expect Visenya and Vhagar to burn the Eyrie to a crisp, as they had previously done to ships in Gullstown, she instead invited the young King Ronnel onto Vhagar to amuse the boy. The dragon's presence was also an inherent threat to Queen Regent Sharra Arryn, don't get me wrong. Without dragons in Westeros, the Eyrie was impenetrable. With dragons in Westeros, it was not -- and Visenya chose a very diplomatic way to remind Sharra Arryn of that fact. This is the kind of approach I expect Sansa to come away with from the Vale: Tactful and courteous but no less effective. She just needs to wield the power to back it up.

If Rhaenys had been more duty-minded, perhaps she would have married into a great house to give the Targaryens more allies in their conquest of Westeros. Instead she followed her heart and I believe Arya would do the same -- especially if she had a goddamn dragon. Additionally, because Alysanne and Jaehaerys are remembered in the histories as this perfect couple, it is easy to forget that they defied Alyssa when they married. Because of the reaction to Rhaena's marriage to Aegon, Alyssa reasonably worried that Jaehaerys and Alysanne's marriage would be unpopular. Nevertheless, Jaehaerys and Alysanne overcame this and went on to be remembered as the most beloved rulers in Westerosi history.

Sansa, on the other hand, pursues a man she actively dislikes (Harry Hardyng) because she believes she must marry him to retake Winterfell. This same pattern can be seen with Rhaena as well -- despite Rhaena clearly being a lesbian, she marries her own Aegon and has his children. Not unlike Sansa, Rhaena's place in her family's line of succession leads her to become one of Maegor's Black Brides. Though Sansa did not marry Joffrey, like Rhaena she experienced physical and sexual abuse from a cruel king at the Red Keep. Both Sansa and Rhaena had to mourn their fathers and brothers -- their most trusted male protector figures -- during their time in the Red Keep and were forced to marry into the political faction responsible for their deaths.

After Maegor's death, Rhaena shocked her family when she married the simple second son of the modest Fair Isle rather than making a match that would benefit House Targaryen. Of course, it was Elissa Farman that Rhaena loved rather than Androw Farman. As the closest thing to a canonically lesbian character in the ASOIAF-verse, Rhaena's place in the Targaryen line of succession meant that love and duty would always be at odds for her. When Rhaena fulfilled her duty by marrying Aegon, she was rewarded with the loss of her lover (Melony Piper), the loss of two of her brothers (one of whom happened to be the father of her children), being separated from her daughters, and her marriage to Maegor the Cruel. I can't blame her if that experience made her decide that a woman's "duty" in Westeros is a trap, because it absolutely is. After all of the losses she has endured, I would not be surprised if Sansa goes on to feel the same.

Since Rhaena is one of the more fleshed out characters from Fire and Blood, we also know a bit about how she dealt with her emotions. Like Sansa at the Tourney of the Hand when a young knight from the Vale was killed, Rhaena is noted to have had stony reactions to the many tragedies in her life (I believe this is because she was a dragon dreamer; that's for another meta but I mention this because Sansa was also emotionless for a reason that may have been related to her magic bond with her magic pet). This creates a little triad with Sansa and Alyssa Arryn, for whom Alyssa's Tears was named. Rhaena also had a favourite from the Vale named Alayne Royce, I'm just saying.

Just as I believe Sansa will have to kill the idea of being a lady to become the leader she needs to be, I think that Arya had to break away from civilization as her direwolf did to grow into someone who can lead her own pack just as Nymeria does. Like Alysanne, I think Arya will use her power to help the most powerless people in Westeros. Like Rhaenys, I think her impact on Westeros will be one of a warrior. However, I think Arya's unique experiences and personality will ultimately make her more effective than either Rhaenys or Alysanne were in both warfare and welfare. I especially think this will be true if she is able to work closely with Sansa and Bran -- they're the real trio that mirror the conquerors of the Starklings IMO, sorry Jon. With Arya the warrior, Sansa the diplomat, and Bran the greenseer king, they would be unstoppable in ruling Westeros.

A pair of sisters from Fire and Blood that make for a more obvious comparison to Sansa and Arya would be Rhaena and Baela. Unlike the other examples, however, their place in the line of succession does not shape their lives in the way it does for Visenya, Rhaena, and Sansa. When the matter of their place in succession does come up in choosing an heir for the young Aegon III, however, his regents argued that Rhaena would be the more suitable choice despite being the younger twin. When they suggest that the "willful" Baela make a proper match as a possible future queen consort, she defies them by sailing off to Driftmark where she marries Alyn Velaryon. Rhaena, however, agreed to marry Lord Corbray per the regents' wishes.

Sadly, Rhaena suffered miscarriages in her effort to fulfill her duty to the realm as heir. Some time after Baela bore a daughter, the two sisters united to present Daenaera as Aegon III's queen consort. Alyn also brought back to court an heir with a better claim -- Viserys II -- taking the pressure off of Rhaena to endure more miscarriages to provide heirs. I believe that for Baela, presenting Daenaera and Viserys to court was in part an act of love for her sister, to free her from the demands of being heir. I believe this most likely also took the pressure off of Baela because her own daughter would be Aegon's heir if anything happened to Rhaena and I don't think she wanted that for Laena.

Baela and Rhaena were not the first twin girls whose place in the line of succession was determined by their own choices rather than their birth order, however. Assuming you believe that Rhaella and Aerea (which sounds a bit like Arya) really did switch places at their mother's wedding to Maegor, these two little girls determined their own places in the line of succession by seizing one of the only scraps of agency they would realistically ever get in their lives. Both Sansa and Arya repeatedly demonstrate this same willingness to seize whatever agency they have in the books, though the form that agency takes looks as different for them as it did for Aerea and Septa Rhaella. The twin switch means that the twin who wanted to live with the Faith got to do so and the twin who wanted to explore could do so as well. For Septa Rhaella, I believe there was a certain freedom in giving up her claim to live a quiet life.

I firmly believe that both Sansa and Arya will be significant leaders of some kind by the end of the series. Assuming Bran is king at the end, I think they will have a lot more agency in shaping their own titles/roles as leaders than they might in other circumstances. Or at least that's my hope. Even though I am first and foremost a Sansa fan, I don't think her story needs for her to be Queen in the North. I love the idea of her becoming a leader outside of the traditional power structure she initially wanted to be a part of. As for Arya, I love the idea of her bringing what she learned in her life outside of that power structure to be an effective leader within it.

I think Ned put it best:

"Sansa is your sister. You may be as different as the sun and the moon, but the same blood flows through both your hearts. You need her, as she needs you … and I need both of you, gods help me." - A Game of Thrones, Arya II

Shoutout to this ask on @atopvisenyashill for kicking me back into hyperfocus about Visenya's commonalities with Sansa so I remembered that I was ever even working on this... this meta sat unfinished in my drafts since the summer! Many such cases in my drafts, I'm afraid.

[jedi-enthusiast]

Before watching GoT and HotD, I used to wonder why people were so obsessed with the Starks and the Targaryens, but now...ngl I get it

[visenyaism]

Okay so what *would* the line of succession look like if it starts with Visenya??

well complicated because absolute primogeniture would change who is getting married to who. also disclaimer i am making all of this shit up. here are my thoughts.

- so assuming that as the eldest visenya still has to marry aegon out of obligation maegor is born as the heir from the beginning. earlier in he was in canon. aenys is rhaenys and ???s child

- since the order is switched i think it makes more sense to have maegor marry alyssa velaryon and aenys marry ceryse hightower. Judgement call for thematic reasons here: Maegor and Alyssa have Rhaena, the heir, and Viserys (this is Aegon uncrowned but Maegor will be naming his son after his mommy and not his dad come on.) Aenys and Ceryse have Jaehaerys and Alysanne.

- Maegor isn’t king for too long since Visenya lives forever. Viserys still dies after the birth of Rhaena’s twins due to slipping on a banana peel or maybe getting like Ivan the terrible’d by his own dad or something you know how it is with them.

- After Maegor dies, brief succession dustup where the more traditional southern reacher houses all back jaehaerys (half hightower, raised in the faith, male) over Rhaena but they lose their political momentum when Jaehaerys marries his younger sister and loses his “pure westerosi princeling” cred. Oops. Conflict resolved when Rhaena agrees to let Jae and Aly onto her small council, send one of her daughters to the faith, and betroth the other to some reacher family or another. Doesn’t matter because Aerea dies very young and Rhaella becomes a septa still.

- This leaves Rhaena in a bind trying to figure out which of her cousin’s kids to designate as heir. Kind of a problem since Rhaena never remarries and puts the succession question off until all of them are old.

- Alysanne backs Rhaenys, eldest child of their eldest child and bearer of Dark Sister.

- Jaehaerys backs Baelon and his son Aegon (Viserys I but in this universe since Visenya was king the function of the names Aegon and Viserys are switched) because he still hates women.

- This is already self-indulgent so I’m going to say bitter jaded elderly Queen Rhaena pivots at the last minute and backs Saera, Jaehaerys’ willful maligned daughter who miraculously returned from essos where her own Aerea did not. (she made it to the dragon pit and claimed Balerion in this one. just for fun)

- Dance of the Dragons happens earlier and has 3 major factions. Stormlands and Crownlands back Rhaenys, the Reach, Westerlands, and Vale back Baelon, and the Triarchy backs Saera. After that literally who knows.

[aphemera]

side eyeing people who ship dany and robb (or really any other non canon ship) but draws the line at aegon the third and jaehaera?? acting like an alt universe and a rarepair are gonna kill them

[your-gracelyn]

“Grieving, grieving, constantly grieving. I mourn what could have been, what will not be, what I can’t save.”-ojibwa[x]

[tragedy-peanut-gallery]

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