#Yelana

[ericmicael]

My fear that "Frozen 3" will end up confirming one of the worst theories about the Northuldra Tribe and which was intensified with the release of "All is Found: A Frozen Anthology" for me has never been so real.

The theory is a response to the theory that Disney would always need to ask for permission from the Sami Tribe to do something relevant with Honeymaren, Ryder and Yelana, which is why these three, who are the only named characters from the tribe, have disappeared from the extra materials and are so little present in the marketing, with the Enchanted Forest itself having its name changed to Arendelle Forest for Disney to use it in its parks.

The theory behind the answer is that Disney would replace them with a new group of characters who would be the focus of the new film and would only use the Northuldras as background characters. And honestly, this concept art has revived that fear of mine.

A place that seems to have little to do with the Enchanted Forest and figures that seem to indicate a new inhabited magical kingdom, which made some people create a new theory that also worries me: Elsa changing home again, but this time she would change from a place that brings her a great sense of freedom and connection with her mother to a kingdom with magical people like her, which would make the change more acceptable to the general public.

And let's remember that among the 18 questions that came up in the F3 presentation, there were none related to Northuldra or Elsa's presence in the Enchanted Forest, but rather: "who gave Elsa her powers?", "why there castles ruins throughout Ahtohhalan?", "where did the nature spirits come from?" which smells to me like what we know about Ahtohallan will suffer a retcon. Why was anyone really still in doubt about who gave Elsa magic after the movie? I feel like a new addition will come to Ahtohallan that will end all the importance of the tribe in this even less important story.

I'm actually afraid that there will be a complete replacement of the entire role of the Northuldra Tribe by something now officially magical and completely owned by Disney that would prevent new dramas if they want to make material about it. And the Northuldra themselves? Relegated to the role they have in the Anthology, being just a reminder that the film has indigenous representation and that Iduna's blood heritage has not been forgotten. And so a mobile game would continue to be the only place that delves deeper into Honeymaren and Ryder, and that its main highlight is confirming that the siblings have already competed for Elsa's attention with a romantic air (Honeymaren won the dispute by a long shot), and that Ryder, after seeing his sister's feelings for the Snow Queen, decides to help please the woman in a task that the female warrior could not perform because of her difficulty in talking to strangers.

I hope I'm wrong, but the way Disney has treated the tribe since the release of "Frozen 2" is yet another indication to me that I'm unfortunately more right than wrong. So many excuses not to approach a member of the tribe and so many excuses not to approach Elsa in the Enchanted Forest doing something other than playing with animals, spirits or putting out a fire being her most relevant feat there in the podcast "Disney Frozen: Forces of Nature", to this day we don't even know where she lives. It seems that Disney never cared about making us attached to Elsa's ending in "Frozen 2" like they made us attached to Anna's ending in the same film, so making a new change in the life of the Snow Queen who we officially can't say much about and the people she theoretically lives close to, but seem to barely interact with, wouldn't be that hard.

[ijust-feelyou]

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[meltthefrozenheart]

FROZEN 3 and FROZEN 4 are both in development, and I can't wait!

The news sounded odd to me initially, I didn't expect anything like this from Disney Animation, but it became immediatly appealing the moment I realized the GREAT potential a double feature could have for the franchise, most importantly when Bob Iger specified “Jenn Lee, who created Frozen, the original Frozen, and Frozen 2 is hard at work with her team at Disney Animation on not one but actually two stories.”, which would mean:

More time to enstablish new elements, new characters, time to explore new lore and new places without the risk to rush everything;

A bigger story that can help flesh out our protagonists in their new roles, their new wants and changes they might face, considering how the F2 ending brought many new possibilities;

A narrative context where the new crysis (whatever it might be) could be explored even better, also allowing to maintain things in a complex prespective just as the Frozen movies like to do, where the matter of "good and evil" not at the center, and things are first of all deeply personal for the characters

It seems to me that Jennifer Lee always wanted to delve deeper into things, this is why the Broadway Musical was a perfect opportunity for her and the Lopez to expand the characters and flesh out things in the story, also adding new elements that would've been useful for F2.

And when they worked on Frozen 2, they built it as the "second part" of the story, reconnecting almost all the aspects of the sequel to the 1st movie, and the story was clearly meant to be BIGGER and longer compared to what we ended up having because of numerous issues and rewrites. J. Lee and C. Buck didn't want to introduce something that would feel just as "a new adventure", and more about the actual characters evolving, see what they left unresolved, breaking the "Happy ending" scenario of F1, which also led them to NOT give the new human characters (Mattias and the Northuldra) the same relevance given to Spirits of Nature, in order to remain focused on Elsa, Anna and the rest of the gang.

Now, Lee will most likely not direct or write these two new movies, but she is still directly involved, because it's both part of her job as CCO of Walt Disney Animation Studio and because Frozen is her (and Chris Buck) baby. It will be curious to discover with what idea Marc Smith came out with, but the fact he worked on the 1st Frozen as a storyboard artist and the became Director of Story for Frozen 2 says a lot about him and why Lee trusts him so much, and I'm sure they will follow the approach used with the 2nd movie and carry it on with 3 and 4. Numerous sagas used the two-parter approach, like the books adaptations of Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games series, or more "original cases" like Pirates of the Carribeans or what we are getting now with the animated Spiderverse movies (Across and Beyond). But I think the best similarity (and probably what led to this ambitious choice) is with Avengers Infinity War/Endgame, where the BIG FINALE gets developed in two movies.

[womeninfictionandirl]

Yelena concept art by Bill Schwab

[incorrect-frozen-quotes]

Yelana: Anna, you have a good heart.

Anna: [smiles brightly]

Yelana: It is super annoying.

[true--north]

Night was falling on the Enchanted Forest, the misty dome turned soft red and tender pink, dissolving the light of the majestic sunset which they were not destined to see. The Northuldra tribe began to gather around the campfires to have dinner, rest and talk.

After a day full of work: caring for reindeer, fishing, picking berries, sewing, Honeymaren and Ryder met at their mother's, Yelana's kota. The tribal leader was in a melancholy mood, her heavy wise gaze thoughtful, her hands warming themselves up on a bowl of mushroom broth.

Honeymaren glanced meaningfully at her brother: "well, now Mama is definitely going to start remembering the old days again, and how life used to be easier and better."

And sure enough, looking at the neighbors trying to light a fire with a stone flint, Yelana quietly said:

“It wasn't like that before. As soon as we asked the Fire Spirit, the bonfires lit up by themselves.”

“Sure, Mama," Ryder muttered.

“You don't believe me, Son? Don't you dream about seeing the sky?” Yelana looked up at Ryder.

“I do, of course... Although I don't know what it is.” he shrugged.

Yelana sighed as she looked around the Forest. Of course, it looked beautiful and peaceful, bathing in a pink evening mist, but nothing will replace what was in the past.

“Everything was different then. We were blessed. We were rich. We lived in harmony with the Spirits. Each Element was to our aid and we honoured each of the Four. Water, the most important of all, the one who remembers everything. Air, without which there is no life, Fire that warms us and Earth that supports.”

It sounded like an ancient chant.

“But then something went wrong.” added Honeymaren, crossing her legs and looking questioningly at her mother.

A shadow passed over Yelana's face and she took a sip of the broth.

“The Arendellians desecrated the Forest and killed my father.” her voice became dark.

“On the other hand, thanks to the mist, even more of them did not come here.” remarked Honeymaren, maybe trying to cheer Yelana up a little.

“And there is no way out at all?” asked Ryder.

When he was younger, he often asked this question until he got tired of it. But today it felt somehow different. As if change was in the air. As if this evening full of light was special.

“We tried. Only legends remained...”

Yelana put the bowl on the moss and peered into the campfire, suddenly remembering the stories that her father had told her when she was a little curious child.

“Four spirits born from the Ice lie at the foundation of the World. But the old traditions told us about the lost Fifth Spirit who rules them all. If only we could find it, then maybe the Fifth Spirit would save us and bring everything back. Perhaps.”

“And where is it?” Honeymaren raised an eyebrow.

“I do not know. It's a legend. But you know what?" Yelana looked at her children seriously, “On the great and evil day of the Battle, I heard something strange. A voice. A song similar to the howling of the North wind, but much more beautiful. Somehow it gave my heart a consolation.”

“Do you think it was the Fifth Spirit, Mama?" Ryder beamed with hope.

“I don't think anything.”

“If it was the Fifth Spirit, then why did it silence? Where is it now?” Honeymaren demanded an answer, throwing a twig into the fire, "How can we find it?"

“Only Ahtohallan, the Mother of all Spirits, knows." Yelana shrugged and returned her attention to the soup, "We have to seek and wait. And remember.”

Honeymaren sighed softly, and Ryder slightly elbowed her.

“What if it's you, Honey, who will find the Fifth Spirit? Let me call it for you?”

Ryder chuckled and jokingly depicted how, in his opinion, the Spirit could sing. Honeymaren giggled and flinched at the sound of his terrible voice. It sounded like a wolf howling at the moon.

Yelana smiled discreetly, but shook her head.

“Don't joke with this, children. No one knows what the future can bring and whether the Fifth Spirit is not listening to us now.”

“Only Ahtohallan knows." echoed Honeymaren her mother's favourite saying.

Night was falling on the North. And further south along the Fjord, in a beautiful coastal castle, the young queen was tossing in her sleep. She dreamed of the Forest and the Song.

[karma26]

Here is Mother's day! 🤍💜✨🩵

The last pic is Queen Rita

[orangechickenpillow]

There are just some characters that so obviously belong to the sapphics that when I see men talking about them I'm like

Who let you in?

[ericmicael]

One disappointment I really don't want to have with "Frozen 3" and "Frozen 4": so long after "Frozen 2" the Northuldras are ignored again.

To this day, the only one they are developing remains a mobile game, "Disney Magic Kingdoms". Even the "Frozen Podcast", which has a large part of its plot taking place in the Enchanted Forest, ignores them and only remembers the tribe in a mention by Kristoff. And in the anthology the story related to them is something from the past that only serves to give Agduna more justification.

Honeymaren and Ryder have so much potential, their connections with Elsa and Kristoff, and I'm not talking about romance although if we consider the mobile game, it's canon to say that the woman is in love with the Snow Queen and her brother supports the shipp after realizing that Elsa wasn't interest in him. And Yelana, although she is by far the least prominent character of the trio, she met Iduna, are they going to continue ignoring that?

If the franchise really needs support from the Sámi tribe to make content with the Northuldra tribe, I hope Disney will be kind to them.

I want "Frozen 3" and "Frozen 4" to explore new characters and new themes, but it doesn't need to ignore its past (it could even bring the idiot prince back to be beaten by someone else, I don't care) and especially the past that It hasn't even been addressed yet.

[meltthefrozenheart]

FROZEN 2: It's just me, or they gave a major sense of "gender equality" using the secondary characters relation to Anna & Elsa?

I didn't put Kristoff here because Frozen 2 itself automatically points out how secondary to this whole matter he is, closer to a "sidekick" like Olaf and Sven, even:

In comparison, the first Frozen had many male side-characters, but when we look at the main human cast, there's a perfect matching from both sides, even more if we also take into consideration Agnarr & Iduna (in the prologue are central characters the deeply affect the sisters lives):

I mean, even the Broadway musical plays on the fact that its main characters are two female protagonists and two male co-leading characters ...

(The Denver/Broadway cast from 2017 and the London cast from 2021)

[niabiabloop]

Fr

do you ever just look at someone and think

I'm so fucking gay

[womeninfictionandirl]

Yelena concept art by Bill Schwab

[incorrect-frozen-quotes]

Yelana: I'm not very good at listening to men.

Yelana: I get bored listening to them.

[true--north]

The development of their relationship ❄

[ericmicael]

Did your theory about Yelana come from this art or is it an original theory? There are variations of the text where Yalana shows a little more aggressiveness in her words, but if anything remains of this possible origin I am not aware.

If in fact Yelana was removed from a "campfire scene" because of previous scripts that ended up discarded and complicated the final script… "Frozen 2" was a more chaotic work than I expected.

Although it was by accident or just intentional, it ended up being very favorable to the campaign to give Elsa a girlfriend. Before the campaign had to be content with fanart or Marisol, now there is something more concise and can still be easily hidden if Disney wants.

But considering that if Yelana were to talk to Elsa instead of Honeymaren, it would feel more like Mattias who was talking to Anna. Mattias talks about Agnarr's past and gives advice that would guide Anna's arc ("The Next Right Thing"), Yelana would talk about Iduna's past and give advice that would guide Elsa's arc (Ahtohallan). And Honeymaren, who was introduced as a tree-climbing warrior, would have a role as perhaps a guide for the sisters after the attack by the Earth Giants. But now, whenever any content part of the franchise (canon or not) mentions magic and remembers the Northuldras with names, Honeymaren is remembered and not Yelana, probably not even Yelana's past with Iduna will be remembered if it's not some Iduna flashback.

Poor Yelana. Perhaps she was born as one of the main villains and ended up losing the role of villain and this could have generated a domino effect that diminished her in all the characteristics that remained.

Parallel with Mattias? It was taken from the scene that would provide the best parallel for this to be used in a joke.

Source of information about magic? Your disciple, Honeymaren, will pass on her knowledge to Elsa.

Past with Iduna? Who cares, Elsa can now get any information through Ahtohallan. And if we want to remember this relationship without using Elsa's powers, just do a flashback to Iduna and Yelana doesn't need to open her mouth.

And for me Yelana is my main bet for a character who could die in “Frozen 3” and “Frozen 4”, this in addition to establishing a threat if it were during an attack could also elevate Honeymaren to the status of leader of the tribe.

I didn't want ElsaMaren to perhaps be elevated (intentionally or not) thanks to the diminution that Yelana suffered. But I can't deny that maybe it helped. Again, poor Yelana.

Regarding the future, I'm curious to know what Jennifer Lee's next response will be if they don't address the topic again: “Elsa's romantic life”. Whereas in “Frozen 2” the answer was that Elsa wasn't ready yet, and maybe never will be and that the future will tell if she will be and this has a place in her life, and was worried about dealing with current problems instead of looking for romance... What comes next? Of course they can repeat the same thing, but I'm curious if they will say something trying to escape any confirmation again.

I also don't think they made any hint of romance with a man, after a lot of discussion and speculation about Elsa's love life and in the end the cliché follows: “female character finds love by finding the ideal man”? Okay, her with another woman would also be a bit cliché, but at least it would justify all this mystery and speculation.

My bet remains: the film (F3) will take place years after KristAnna's wedding and will have hints that Elsa married Honeymaren. Nothing explicit, just hints that can be interpreted however you want and that will be the answer in Lee's interview (it will be a similar response to what the producer of "Finding Dory" said about the possible lesbian couple in the film). A secondary plot that only concerns Elsa herself and not the general plot of the film, and that can be excluded when released in certain countries. I think it's the most realistic bet for an LGBT Elsa romance.

What do you think of the theory that Honeymaren was made especially to please fans of #GiveElsaAGirlfriend and that initially there would be more moments made to shipp the two until Disney decided to reduce these moments? I'm not saying that they would actually be a couple, but that all of this was meticulously planned to please these fans who wanted her to have a girlfriend without confirming anything.

I always thought it was very naive to think that after years of Disney avoiding the question: “Will Elsa have a girlfriend in Frozen 2?” and they release the film which, despite not being romantic, still shows her talking near a campfire (a moment used in many romance films) with a girl of the same age while they caress a reindeer calf, sing a small duet and they talk about magic and traditions when it would have made much more sense for Elsa to have that conversation with Yelana, but the plot made the older woman stay away from there.

According to most sources I’ve seen (but I need to do more research regarding this, if I'm being honest) the reason Honey (and Ryder) were created was to simply have characters that helped the audience empathize with the Northuldra. They used to have a bit more story content in earlier drafts, which is a shame they got rid of chunks of their story because there wasn't enough screen-time for everything.

This is one of the reasons I feel Frozen 2 would've made an amazing series instead of a film, and why Frozen 3 being separated into two films is such a great idea, even if the initial intention was for more profit. Because let's face it, both the first and second films suffer from the 'too much stuff, not enough space' plot issues so having a show and double film will do wonders for the story going forward.

They also needed characters to help gear the story in the right direction. Honey tells Elsa about the Fifth Spirit, and Ryder helps get Kristoff out of the way so that Elsa and Anna could be alone during the boat scene.

The reason I think Yelena was probably not used, is because her original role was to be a villain along side Runeard, but they scrapped the idea after heavy criticism. Since they had already made Honey and Ryder, there was no point I suppose in giving Yelena a different role other than a leader type to mirror Mattias, especially since they had to shrink down the Northuldra's stories to begin with.

Now, in terms of Honey being created specifically to please fans who want Elsa to be with another woman, I can't say for certain.

I do know that there was a tweet that Jen Lee liked during a Frozen QandA on Twitter (X) where a user begged her to keep Elsa single so that people can imagine her to be with another woman if they wanted. I will see if I can find this tweet for you, but as Jen Lee deleted her Twitter, I’ve lost a lot of sources.

Unless her sentiments have changed, I think Jen Lee will try to keep Elsa single for as long as possible so that fans can decide for themselves what Elsa's sexuality is. Elsa means so much for fans of all sexual orientations, leaving her sexuality open lets fans have freedom with her character. Jen Lee was always about leaving things open for fans, so this concept is not a stretch.

Thus, the possibility that Honey was introduced so that Elsa can have a strong relationship with another woman that is not Anna, but is left open so that fans can interpret the relationship as romantic or platonic, could be a thing.

However, as said, there is no evidence for it other than speculation.

This is also the reason that I pretty confident that Elsa will never be paired off with a man either. They want to leave it open for fans to decide for themselves. Again, unless their thoughts have changed on the subject.

[my-newest-obsession]

They HATE when you serve traumatised co-dependant sisters with blue hair that seperated young and don’t see each other for years