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[vavialdavi]

Credit: Brittney Lee (D23 2024)

The first piece of concept just got leaked! What we can assume/theorize:

- Considering the general atmosphere, the movie will take place in Spring (as I expect cause we already got Fall in F2 and both Summer and Winter in F1). I'm just hoping it will be the next Spring after F2

-The spirits and lore they introduced in F2 won't be left out, or least Nokk won't

- There's a slight chances the movie takes place a new places cause the trees look slighly different from the Enchanted Forest's

Unless it's an area in the forest where the vegetation is quite different or I'm over analyzing

- We're gonna have either a real MAGICAL antagonist or a character who appears at such at first. They look like they have a cap so these horns could be fake

- Their weapon reminds me a bit of the Northuldra's. It may be a different type but still one of their traditional tools

- They're clearly not the same but the way the character is holding it is similar to how Yelena holds hers in this concept art (also made my Brittney Lee). Not to mention this Ryder concept art by Jin Kim. So maybe a sign of the return of our Northuldra characters...?

-The Northern lights are gonna have an important role in the movies (since it's confirmed F3 and F4 are a same story cut in halves)

- We might meet the previous fifth spirit (or spirits)! It's a bit blurry and subtle but the two characters in front of the strange castle seems to quite have reindeer's horns. I'm even assuming the one on the left could be an actual reindeer

For those who are familiar with the deleted, Frozen 2 originally portrays a prologue where a character who could turn into a reindeer. It's kinda imply they were the fifth spirit

I have a strong feeling Frozen 3 and 4 are gonna include a lot the ideas they couldn't include in Frozen 2. Unlike Frozen's, a lot of Frozen 2's deleted scenes could still make sense in the canon verse

Remember these are my personal assumptions, feel free to agree or disagree!

[flameboi-joey]

Gay runs in the family

[firawren]

Frozen text post memes, part 5 of ?

[vavialdavi]

I wanted to share with you guys my Honeymaren headcanons cause I'm obsessed with her!!

- She's older than Ryder of 2 years. Their ages and age gap were never confirmed but she give me way more big sister vibes than younger or twin

- She used to always engage in fights with boys as a kid cause she wanted to prove she was stronger than them (and she was)

- She had a more sarcastic personnality younger and could be too sometimes

- Her favorite spirit are the earth giants even though she's also sacred of them

- She spend 10 minutes admiring the sky each morning, sunset and night cause she fears it will go away again if she doesn't

- She love the reindeers but way more than Ryder, and she sometimes wishes she could be something else than a keeper

- Honeymaren is often following Yelena around during her free time cause they see each other as mother figure/adopted child however they won't ever admit it

- She has quite a sensitive ego therefore she is quicklu pissed whenever someone might doubt her abilities

- She is the kind to hide her feelings abd insecurities behind a smile. She doesn't open up about them easily so she only share with Ryder and Elsa when they got closer, but not often

- Honeymaren has a long dating history and the reputation of a serial monogamist. She's very comfortable with flirting but whenever her romantic feelings get strong, she becomes a mess

- She dated a guy once to make sure she was really a lesbian. They broke up after a few days cause she got her answers really fast

- Elsa and her have weekly race through the forest so she gets more used to it but Honeymaren wins everytime even when Elsa uses her magic

- Her tunic hides a lot of scars

- The kids of the tribe consider her as a model and they like to catch whenever she's training for fights. She's their 3rd fav person for storytelling and singing lullabies (Ryder and Yelena being the first)

- She was trying to climb trees before she could walk properly

- She traveled alone across the different countries close to the forest cause that's something she's dreamnt of since kid

- She's a chill extrovert but she likes to take time to think by herself on top of high trees or cliff

- Honeymaren sucks at sculpting wood but nobody tells her cause they don't wanna hurt her feelings

- She's girlflux not a cis woman but she's never gonna know since they're no right word at the time but she def feels something is special about her gender

- Honeymaren just wanted to sleep with Elsa at first but she ended fall first in the process

<3 I'm gonna talk about Kristoff next time

[jorjafrozen]

i miss them arghhhhhhh

if we don’t see more of them in the next movie(s) i am going to cry THEY ARE BEST FRIENDSSSS!!!!!!!

[vavialdavi]

I made doodles of Honeymaren and Ryder as kids. I tried to kinda mimic Jin Kim's concept arts, I'm love in with them, especially the way he draws expression

I had way more ideas but I don't feel like continuing right now, so here are the first two ;^;

[vavialdavi]

These things I wish to see in F3/F4

- Olaf entering a new phase. I saw someone suggesting an emo phase. As someone who's alternative irl, I don't usually like when subcultures are used as a joke but I find this oke could be hilarous

-Oaken, that man's iconic, give him screentime

-How the old Northuldra reconnect with the spirits and how the young Northuldra embrace them (I'm really attached to them, that's be sad and a wasted potential if they were left out)

-More of Yelena and Mattias's beef. Characters arguing like an old married couple is my fav dynamic (I want those two as friends though)

-When the plot point hit, Olaf yelled at Elsa "You said we were done with danger!" or smth similar

-Kristoff, Honeymaren and Ryder being besties, the boys can't shut up about reindeer and Honeymaren is tired of them (petition for us to start calling them 'The deer trio')

- Anna, Elsa and Kristoff having a For The First in Forever/Some Things Never Change typa song about their new lives. With Elsa being so happy and comfortable in the forest while Anna and Kristoff are quite exhausted by the leading. I like to imagine the song ending with Anna wondering how Elsa managed to do all of that while still looking good

- More Agduna frozen memories

- The trolls and Arendelle's dignitaries arguing over rather their wedding should be celebrated in trolls' or Arendelle's traditions/Their wedding being a mix of both

-To know how the fuck was/were the fifth spirits before the sisters

-What exact roles Elsa and Anna have as the fifth spirit (yes Anna bc they did mention they are a bridge, Elsa isn't alone on that)

- The Earth giants playing with Bruni and children

- SPRING SETTING

- Elsa and Honeymaren interacting. I'm not necessary asking for their canonization. This ship is my hyperfixation but I don't place my expectations too high. So if we can at least have new material for fanarts and fanfictions, I'd be glad because I am STARVING

- Honeymaren's abs (of course I was gonna bring them up)

[ericmicael]

My fear that "Frozen 3" will end up confirming one of the worst theories about the Northuldra Tribe and which was intensified with the release of "All is Found: A Frozen Anthology" for me has never been so real.

The theory is a response to the theory that Disney would always need to ask for permission from the Sami Tribe to do something relevant with Honeymaren, Ryder and Yelana, which is why these three, who are the only named characters from the tribe, have disappeared from the extra materials and are so little present in the marketing, with the Enchanted Forest itself having its name changed to Arendelle Forest for Disney to use it in its parks.

The theory behind the answer is that Disney would replace them with a new group of characters who would be the focus of the new film and would only use the Northuldras as background characters. And honestly, this concept art has revived that fear of mine.

A place that seems to have little to do with the Enchanted Forest and figures that seem to indicate a new inhabited magical kingdom, which made some people create a new theory that also worries me: Elsa changing home again, but this time she would change from a place that brings her a great sense of freedom and connection with her mother to a kingdom with magical people like her, which would make the change more acceptable to the general public.

And let's remember that among the 18 questions that came up in the F3 presentation, there were none related to Northuldra or Elsa's presence in the Enchanted Forest, but rather: "who gave Elsa her powers?", "why there castles ruins throughout Ahtohhalan?", "where did the nature spirits come from?" which smells to me like what we know about Ahtohallan will suffer a retcon. Why was anyone really still in doubt about who gave Elsa magic after the movie? I feel like a new addition will come to Ahtohallan that will end all the importance of the tribe in this even less important story.

I'm actually afraid that there will be a complete replacement of the entire role of the Northuldra Tribe by something now officially magical and completely owned by Disney that would prevent new dramas if they want to make material about it. And the Northuldra themselves? Relegated to the role they have in the Anthology, being just a reminder that the film has indigenous representation and that Iduna's blood heritage has not been forgotten. And so a mobile game would continue to be the only place that delves deeper into Honeymaren and Ryder, and that its main highlight is confirming that the siblings have already competed for Elsa's attention with a romantic air (Honeymaren won the dispute by a long shot), and that Ryder, after seeing his sister's feelings for the Snow Queen, decides to help please the woman in a task that the female warrior could not perform because of her difficulty in talking to strangers.

I hope I'm wrong, but the way Disney has treated the tribe since the release of "Frozen 2" is yet another indication to me that I'm unfortunately more right than wrong. So many excuses not to approach a member of the tribe and so many excuses not to approach Elsa in the Enchanted Forest doing something other than playing with animals, spirits or putting out a fire being her most relevant feat there in the podcast "Disney Frozen: Forces of Nature", to this day we don't even know where she lives. It seems that Disney never cared about making us attached to Elsa's ending in "Frozen 2" like they made us attached to Anna's ending in the same film, so making a new change in the life of the Snow Queen who we officially can't say much about and the people she theoretically lives close to, but seem to barely interact with, wouldn't be that hard.

[jessi-skylark]

Elsamaren Comic: Chapter 2 - Admire

Frozen Fanfic of how Elsa x Honeymaren fall in love

This follows Chapter 1: Elsamaren Comic

Elsa overhears a tender moment between Honeymaren and Ryder, but when Elsa asks her about it, they learn they have more in common than they have even more in common than they thought.

So where’s Honeymaren?

What does Elsa find when she follows Honeymaren into the forest?

Nice moves, Honey, but why is she still training?

But what about Ryder?

So are Honeymaren and Ryder romantic?

And Elsa? How does she feel about romance?

Not only does Anna want to get married and have heirs, Elsa feels she may even be a better queen.

and finally...

Up Next: Chapter 3 - Crush

Want to read more Elsamaren?

See Master Post for links, or:

Chapter 1: Beginning After the End

Chapter 1: Elsamaren Comic, artist @jessi-skylark

Chapter 1: Elsamaren Written, author @fuzziekins

Chapter 2: Admire

Chapter 2: Elsamaren Comic - Artist: @jessi-skylark

Chapter 2: Elsamaren Story - Author: @fuzziekins

Chapter 3: Just a Crush

Chapter 3: Just a crush - Artist @jessi-skylark

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[vavialdavi]

Blue eyed gfs (+Ryder) vs brown eyed partners

This is actually how I feel speaking with blue eyed people

[meltthefrozenheart]

FROZEN 3 and FROZEN 4 are both in development, and I can't wait!

The news sounded odd to me initially, I didn't expect anything like this from Disney Animation, but it became immediatly appealing the moment I realized the GREAT potential a double feature could have for the franchise, most importantly when Bob Iger specified “Jenn Lee, who created Frozen, the original Frozen, and Frozen 2 is hard at work with her team at Disney Animation on not one but actually two stories.”, which would mean:

More time to enstablish new elements, new characters, time to explore new lore and new places without the risk to rush everything;

A bigger story that can help flesh out our protagonists in their new roles, their new wants and changes they might face, considering how the F2 ending brought many new possibilities;

A narrative context where the new crysis (whatever it might be) could be explored even better, also allowing to maintain things in a complex prespective just as the Frozen movies like to do, where the matter of "good and evil" not at the center, and things are first of all deeply personal for the characters

It seems to me that Jennifer Lee always wanted to delve deeper into things, this is why the Broadway Musical was a perfect opportunity for her and the Lopez to expand the characters and flesh out things in the story, also adding new elements that would've been useful for F2.

And when they worked on Frozen 2, they built it as the "second part" of the story, reconnecting almost all the aspects of the sequel to the 1st movie, and the story was clearly meant to be BIGGER and longer compared to what we ended up having because of numerous issues and rewrites. J. Lee and C. Buck didn't want to introduce something that would feel just as "a new adventure", and more about the actual characters evolving, see what they left unresolved, breaking the "Happy ending" scenario of F1, which also led them to NOT give the new human characters (Mattias and the Northuldra) the same relevance given to Spirits of Nature, in order to remain focused on Elsa, Anna and the rest of the gang.

Now, Lee will most likely not direct or write these two new movies, but she is still directly involved, because it's both part of her job as CCO of Walt Disney Animation Studio and because Frozen is her (and Chris Buck) baby. It will be curious to discover with what idea Marc Smith came out with, but the fact he worked on the 1st Frozen as a storyboard artist and the became Director of Story for Frozen 2 says a lot about him and why Lee trusts him so much, and I'm sure they will follow the approach used with the 2nd movie and carry it on with 3 and 4. Numerous sagas used the two-parter approach, like the books adaptations of Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games series, or more "original cases" like Pirates of the Carribeans or what we are getting now with the animated Spiderverse movies (Across and Beyond). But I think the best similarity (and probably what led to this ambitious choice) is with Avengers Infinity War/Endgame, where the BIG FINALE gets developed in two movies.

[ericmicael]

One disappointment I really don't want to have with "Frozen 3" and "Frozen 4": so long after "Frozen 2" the Northuldras are ignored again.

To this day, the only one they are developing remains a mobile game, "Disney Magic Kingdoms". Even the "Frozen Podcast", which has a large part of its plot taking place in the Enchanted Forest, ignores them and only remembers the tribe in a mention by Kristoff. And in the anthology the story related to them is something from the past that only serves to give Agduna more justification.

Honeymaren and Ryder have so much potential, their connections with Elsa and Kristoff, and I'm not talking about romance although if we consider the mobile game, it's canon to say that the woman is in love with the Snow Queen and her brother supports the shipp after realizing that Elsa wasn't interest in him. And Yelana, although she is by far the least prominent character of the trio, she met Iduna, are they going to continue ignoring that?

If the franchise really needs support from the Sámi tribe to make content with the Northuldra tribe, I hope Disney will be kind to them.

I want "Frozen 3" and "Frozen 4" to explore new characters and new themes, but it doesn't need to ignore its past (it could even bring the idiot prince back to be beaten by someone else, I don't care) and especially the past that It hasn't even been addressed yet.

[vavialdavi]

Basically all the Frozen fics I'm currently working on~

- The witches of the mountain (Kristanna/Elsamaren Past Rydoff) :

AU where the spirits are in the montains/ Anna has (weak) powers/ Kristoff, Honeymaren and Ryder have to convince the sisters to help them stop a storm that's gonna wip off all the fjord/ except Elsa hates humans/ Arendelle and Northuldra hates each other, Runeard is still alive

- The bright scandal (Elsamaren):

Pt1 Your brightest lie: Secret high school situationship/ trouble kid X popular girl (the first three chapters are already on ao3)

Pt2 Scanal: Second chance spicy romance dealing with internalized homophobia/ Elsa as a model, Honeymaren as a learning photographer

A cup of coffee (Kristanna/ Background Elsamaren)

Rival coffee shop owners to lovers/One-shot/Honeymaren and Ryder have their ass between two chairs/Dog Sven is the hero

- Behind close doors (Lavender marriage Elsa and Ryder/ Elsamaren/Background Kristanna):

Bridgerton inspired AU/ Rivals to lovers/ Everyone believe Elsa and Ryder are in love/ Elsa helps Kristoff seducting Anna because she wants Hans out of their life/ Honeymaren is a cold countess8

-The part 2 of The snow may disappear (Elsamaren/ Ryder x OC):

Honeymaren is the only who can see a confused ghost Elsa and she's quite addicted

-Until you heal (Elsamaren) :

Modern kids AU/ Honeymaren got in the wrong hospital room when visiting her grandma but she continues visiting Elsa cause she's alone most of the time

-The nights calls blood (Elsamaren/ Background Kristanna):

Doctor Elsa/ Vampire Honeymaren who haunts Arendelle/ She used to only eat animal but she wants Elsa's blood now/Modern setting/ spicy /open end

-Some extra for my fanfics Dumb, isn't it? (Elsamaren/Kristanna/ Rydoff/Agduna)

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[meltthefrozenheart]

In case anyone wondered, yeah, all the most recognizable Frozen characters are in the final group photo, even Hans that many thought was excluded just because Elsa jokingly froze him in the picture.

So, to all the fellow Hans fans out there: calm yourself, take a deep breath and accept that Hans getting joked about is still a way to take him into account because, at least, the protagonists can express their disdain for him, which is totaly fare.

[ericmicael]

I admit that I still can't quite accept that Ryder and Oaken are straight. The first one tried to flirt with Elsa and the second one has a wife and kids.

It was predictable that there would never be anything LGBT with Ryder since he was a tribute to Chris Buck's late son, but was it really necessary to confirm that he was straight (or at least interested in women)? And that's still from a mobile game.

Oaken is even worse since, unlike Ryder, he is a very recurring character in the Frozenverse, with an interview with Jennifer Lee even being quite ambiguous about his sexual orientation. And after all these years, a book is released focusing on Kristoff's childhood and Oaken, who during all these years never officially had anything other than a large family of relatives, now has a wife and kids. And if this scene in "Frozen 1" is of his wife with his kids, they'll have to remove one child from the photo and the blond guy because he only has one couple of kids.

Trying to get something good from both of them:

At the same time that Ryder's interest is confirmed, it also confirms Honeymaren's interest in the Snow Queen (and Ryder became a supporter of ElsaMaren later, with Honeymaren proving herself to be a useless lesbian, lol).

Oaken being gay would be a huge stereotype... The stereotypical character not being gay is still positive, when if you exclude him, the gay rate drops to zero? Even in the Frozenverse, this has become a bit of a joke, since canonically there are only lesbian characters in the franchise. The couple that could be gay has been dead for centuries, and the other possible one, we don't even know the gender, which means they could very well be straight.

But the worst part is that in both cases I doubt anything will come back in "Frozen 3":

If Ryder has a big role, it will only be as Kristoff's friend and something related to reindeer.

Oaken? In "Frozen 2" he doesn't even have any lines, so if you don't remember the character from "Frozen 1", you'll think he's just another random NPC, lol

[ericmicael]

10 CURIOSITIES ABOUT FROZEN 2

1 - The Northuldra Tribe and the plot of the dam was inspired by real life

In 1979 the Norwegian government decided to build a hydroelectric plant on the Alta River, but this would completely harm the salmon fishing and reindeer grazing that are the livelihood of the Sámi Tribe. They tried to oppose the construction, but were ignored and in the end the dam was built. But the protests they held were a major turning point for the tribe's relationship with the Norwegian government, which began to look more closely at the tribe even though it continues to commit various negligence towards it. In "Frozen 2" things were more drastic with King Runeard, Anna and Elsa's grandfather, creating the dam with the sole purpose of weakening the tribe and then managing to exterminate them because he considered them a risk to his throne due to their proximity with the spirits of nature and magic.

2 - Kristoff is technically a Northuldra before Anna and Elsa

It is no coincidence that Kristoff got along so well with the Northuldras and that people started to theorize that he is part of them since Kristoff is a Sámi or at least he was in the script "Frozen 1". In the film's script he and all the ice harvesters are called Sámi, which as I said at the beginning is the Northuldra Tribe from F2. As far as I know there is no confirmation in the franchise that brings the sides together (ice harversters and Northuldra), but considering that the Sámi Tribe is known for being a combination of different types of tribe, even having more than one language wouldn't be too wrong, and actually not unheard of since Anna and Elsa's mother's original tribe is different from the one she is shown participating in in F2 since her original tribe and family were completely wiped out when Iduna was 5 years old.

3 - Bruni or Sally

In the novelization of "Frozen 2" Olaf is in doubt about what name to give to the fire salamander, the options being Bruni and Sally. In the end he doesn't choose any of them and the book itself starts calling the salamander with the name Bruni. This is not the debut of the name Sally, in the Christmas short called "Olaf's Frozen Adventure" the stocking that Olaf hangs on the fireplace has the name Sally on it. And also about Bruni's name in the book "Dangerous Secret's: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr" which is a book that tells the past of Anna and Elsa's parents, Iduna calls the fire salamander with the name Bruni decades before Olaf choose this name for the Fire Spirit.

4 - Halima and Ryder have names inspired by real people

Halima, who is Mattias' love interest, shares her name with her voice actress Halima Hudson, and Ryder, who is Honeymaren's brother, shares his name with Ryder Buck, who is the deceased son of director Chris Buck.

5 - Santino Fontana and the redemption of Hans

Santino, who is the voice actor for the villain in "Frozen 1", even gave an interview saying that someone from Disney, who he obviously can't say who he is, told him that his character would return and I will have a redemption arc… Considering that the character since "Freezing Fever" has become the franchise's most recurring joke, appearing only to be humiliated as in the special "Once Upon a Studio" and in "Frozen 2" Elsa refers to him with the phrase "unreedemable monster" I have my doubts as to whether the person who said that to Santino really was someone from Disney or was playing a joke on him or was from a version of the script so early that perhaps the Northuldra Tribe didn't even exist yet.

6 - Lady Halverson and Woodsman

Speaking of the initial script we have these two figures, the first apparently was Mattias' initial love interest who, instead of being Halima, was a soldier in his battalion and the second is the mysterious being who transforms into a reindeer. We don't have any information about the two characters other than the video that can be found by typing: "Frozen 2 (2019) _ Queen Iduna _ Deleted Scene _ Exclusive Clip (HD)" and some art, and nothing else. "Woodsman" is just a nickname.

7 - Some of the deleted scenes were discovered or not

The production of "Frozen 2" was so chaotic that it generated a documentary where it is revealed that there were several moments deleted from the film, to this day there is not much about it, but we have some books like "The Enchanted Forest". "The Enchanted Forest" is an adaptation of the film, but it is not a very faithful adaptation so much so that there are several differences… Could it be that some of these differences are deleted scenes? There is the origin of the wagon that the group goes to the Enchanted Forest and even new lines between Elsa and Honeymaren, and this was one of the moments that is mentioned as being cut in the documentary. I'm not going to make a guarantee, but perhaps some of these books that portray "Frozen 2" in a slightly different way are actually earlier versions of the script before the cuts? Theories.

8 - Elsa's romantic life in "Frozen 2" and Kristen Bell

Although the theories and campaigns to give Elsa a girlfriend we have nothing official in the second film about Elsa's sexual orientation with Jennifer Lee herself, director, saying that the Snow Queen had a lot on her mind and wasn't ready. But going back to the deleted scenes, there are theories that Elsa would initially have romantic moments with Honeymaren, but they were deleted (in "The Enchanted Forest" the moments between them are new and just new dialogues) but there are some conceptual arts left like these two where Elsa presents intimately magic for the other woman in two stages of the film's development. But there is still this art where she does the same to Ryder which makes Kristen Bell, Anna's voice actress, enter this story, in an interview given to "SiriusXM" again the topic was "Elsa's girlfriend" with Honeymaren being mentioned, but Kristen Bell will mention the theme and ends up saying at the end that Elsa is free to choose and even has more than one option in the Enchanted Forest with her mentioning Ryder. Out of curiosity, the brothers Honeymaren and Ryder have already competed for Elsa in the mobile game called "Disney Magic Kingdoms" where they both try to take the Snow Queen for a walk through the forest, but Honeymaen arrives first, frustrating Ryder who still has to put up with the game itself. mocking him since the name of the mission was "barking up the wrong tree". Later, a festival takes place in Arendelle in this mobile game where Honeymaren offers herself as a saleswoman, wanting to do this just to please Elsa, and Ryder, upon realizing her feelings for the Snow Queen, decides to help… from rival to cupid.

9 - Anna would ask Kristoff to marry her

In one of the deleted songs Kristoff would talk about his feelings, but in the end it would be her who would ask him to marry her. The song is "Get This Right" and the entire scene, still in progress, can be found on YouTube.

10 - Elsa's death

There is a rumor that in the film's original script Elsa would not thaw and would end the film frozen dead, giving a hint that she could return in the future. The main clue would be this concept art where Elsa appears unconscious, thawed with Nokk and if you paid attention to what I said, the main proof that the film would end with her frozen is an art of her thawed. There are still those who use the fact that she couldn't stop the wave as proof since the castle was originally going to be rebuilt, but I honestly don't believe it.