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esther-dot · 11 months ago

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I’m sure you’ve been asked this a million times, but is there a specific meta (or metas) that you feel sufficiently explain the pol!jon theory?

Kit's face.

Obviously, that's kinda a joke, and I'm gonna link more stuff for you, but to me, that is one of the most compelling arguments for it. Not merely because he failed to communicate love in his scenes with Dany (although that's true), but because, there are a hundred other emotions he was conveying in their scenes that we have to ignore or deny if we're to accept that he was enraptured with Dany, trusted her, or thought she would be a good queen. If you look at that gifset, in many pivotal scenes, he's torn, worried, disappointed, afraid. All sorts of emotions that simply don't fit in with the "fool in love" storyline.

Another of my favorite posts on the subject is this gifset in which D&D create parallels between Dany and LF, JonDany/LF&Sansa, some, or all of this, clearly intentional. Or this parallel from s7 that uses repetition of a line to indicate, Jon and Dany are not friends, they are in fact, opposing forces. Or this scene in s8 showing us that Grey Worm doesn't trust Jon, which again, is saying, Jon isn't as loyal as he's supposed to be. I mean, I knew that, but again, it doesn't fit with the story. Those speak to D&D’s plans, things completely beyond the actor’s control.

I'm linking a number of gifsets right off the bat because what they chose to put on our screens is more compelling than the words I use to try to argue my opinion. For example, this gifset of Sansa being the power in the North, look at who Jon (nonverbally) recognizes as the person he should show deference to. It's a weird detail that we know they orchestrated to show a specific thing, but again, it doesn't fit with Jon being a Dany convert or believer in her status as their true queen.

ANYWAY, far as I can tell, everyone had a different version of the theory, some of which, I didn’t like much, some of which, I still think are the best explanation of what I watched, but this gifset is basically the summary of it. Jon heard Sansa, he purposed to be smarter, and was unwavering in his loyalty to the North. Simple as that. This, I think, is the meta that best explains the political Jon storyline in s7. There were many wonderful metas on this, sadly, many of my favs are no longer accessible because bloggers deactivated (my pol!jon tag has some posts in it still), but basically, I think it was an interpretation that showed more respect for Jon and Dany.

Dany sliding into paranoia and isolation is something they tried to speed run in s8, and it was presented as a kind of "madness," but if Dany was right, that Jon wasn't loyal to her, that she didn't have love, it's a more sympathetic story for her, as well as a darker but more coherent story for Jon. It reminds me of Aerys and how he was "paranoid" in the end, but we do have lines that sound as if, yeah, people were wanting to dethrone him (potentially even his son), which in no way justifies the horror he wanted to unleash, but does create a more nuanced scenario, something Martin is very fond of.

Dany realizing the person she trusted can't be trusted could have been (I thought was) a critical moment in her choosing fear as her path to power in 8x05, and I didn't think it served her well to pretend that was all in her head when it clearly wasn't. I wrote this post finale to explain my thoughts on show Jon, what happened to him, the parallels I saw, the meaning behind it.

#dot chat #got thoughts #pol!jon

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leesielex · 2 years ago

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Lol. And yet I spoke in general about your post and didn't make the attack personal. You decided to do that. Making my name the hash tag, calling all Dany Stan's deranged, parading around that pol Jon was a thing but they abandoned it. You're right that I did misunderstand that you were speaking of show only and I apparently wrongfully assumed it had to do with the books as well. So I apologize for that, because I literally see these posts all the time in the tag that use this pol Jon argument to be Sansa's lapdog in the books, and using the show to prove it. Jon in the books is political, he is dark, much darker than Dany at least but obviously not as dark as villians of the story. But Jon is also not stupid, and he would never forsake his honor in such a gross way in the books. I think you also misunderstood that I was DEFENDING JON's character. And I realize the show isn't the same as the books. Unfortunately many people do not realize that, so again I apologize for that.

You speak of all these unwritten rules of tmblr and how I am a bully, but then you are acting the same way, name calling and acting an innocent victim while my dms and posts have been full of Stansas and Jonsas since my first post on Daenerys when all I did back then was keep to myself and post my 3 favorite asoiaf characters. It was them that began coming after me constantly. In my posts and my dms. And here you are, not trying to teach me this unwritten rule I didn't know about. Not trying to be the bigger person. Instead, you are pompous, insulting and "bullying" as well. So I guess you have no problem being on that level. I apologize I misunderstood your post or that you took it so personally.

Also, I didn't tell you that you couldn't like a character, Jesus Christ I swear people take things way too seriously and assume way too much. Tho I suppose I'm no better since I assumed you were using the show to prove POL Jon/Sansa were a thing because it's literally the thing that has been going on recently in Jonsa fandom that keeps popping up in the anti Jonsa tag because tumblr can't figure out how to keep the tags separate if an anti is included anywhere. But I digress. I still feel like you are backtracking because I def do not even understand the point of trying to prove something was supposed to happen in a show that has been over for 5 years that they supposedly scrapped, by using a scene that didn't involve either character you are using the scene to say this is definitely what happened even tho there isn't any actual evidence that showed what happened: do you not understand that is... I'm trying not to insult you here, so I don't even know how to say that without you thinking I'm being a "bully"... but like... I can do that with every scene to fit what I want. That is the problem I have with this type of "proof" or "analysis". I can make up anything I wish to be true or for it to happen and pick out a scene of two completely different characters that would work and say, see here is my proof; this happened with these two characters and if I just trade them for say Jon and Dany then my headcanon is totally proven: that is.... just not how media analysis works. And if it's scrapped well then, pregnant Dany and the fire burning down KL was originally green for wildfire was also a thing that was scrapped before the final cuts... sooo.:. Then Dany wasn't just evil and it was originally Cersei and/or the Mad King that blew up KL, and Dany by accident so Pol Jon I guess wasn't a thing? Or it was a pol Jon that did use Dany and go against everything Ned Stark and the North stood for.

Did you know they cut that? That it was originally green wildfire on the story boards? That Emilia did not in fact know the extent of burning they had her do before she was at a watch party with her fans watching it with them? That even after in the behind the scenes interviews she says she wasn't mad or evil, she was greiving, had lost everything she cared for etc.? So yeah, she can draw inspiration from a member of history that was unsavory and not known for being good, but that isn't the entire picture either.

Where the heck did you get that before season 8 was filmed they flew out to GRRM for days to discuss the final season? That is complete horseshit. GRRM has said several times now that he was not consulted after season 3! And during season 3 is when they asked him how it ended and he said he "gave them the board strokes". He has more recently said and reiterated the more he writes the further away it gets from season 8. Sadly, on that point; you are just wrong and completely misinformed. GRRM was already upset and arguing with D&D for leaving out Lady Stoneheart and the storyline they chose for Sansa. Sansa especially. All these years later D&D have nvr said anything about GRRM giving them the ending other than "king bran; Hodor, and burning of Shireen."

Yes, I usually SS posts because I am allowed to do that, it's on the internet. 🙄Do people actually come to dms to do that? Because mine are only filled with harassment or friends or bots. I started SS when the hate was so bad and they were SS every Dany post to call her hitler Barbie and photoshop Sansa stomping her dead body in throne room, and make Jon some stupid lucky that just did anything Sansa told him. And Sansa is written as this ungrateful conniving person but "smart" more like Cersei and Littlefinger, and I love those characters and they are so horribly misunderstood and miswritten based on the show and people's headcanon: so yes I will defend them:

I am already accosted by Stansas and Jonsas minding my own business. So you can go on about me and other Dany Stan's being bullies, but it's not one-sided by any means. Even on our tag in fanfics on ao3 we constantly have Jonsas leaving anon hate comments on stories Sansa is her best friend or Hand of the King/Queen. Most of us "Dany Stans" actually LOVE book Sansa. But most of us were minding our own business until we got sick of the hate and started defending the books and characters since we were harassed either way.

And here you could have decided to take the high road since even I admitted I apparently misunderstood that you were speaking of show only and you knew that from your post. I did read the entire post so I don't know why you think I didn't. There is an obvious reason I wrongly assumed if you are on here any decent amount of time at all and see other Stansa/Jonsa posts. But I'll admit I was wrong. But you didn't take the high road, instead you decided to be "bullying" and insulting right back, you didn't try my dms, and in fact you added my name as a tag to the post too. I wonder if you can admit to your wrongdoings when you look up that in fact you are wrong that GRRM did not give them the entire ending and hash out the entire season 8 for days with them as I admit I was wrong?

So I will publicly apologize for my wrong assumption and I will even apologize for how harsh I was in certain parts. Some days I'm so sick of all the harassment and hate, I do give it right back and don't take the high road myself. Sadly you were an innocent victim to my explosion as your post just hit me wrong with my wrong assumption of it's purpose. I still completely disagree with the dishonest way of "proving" pol Jon but you are free to write whatever you want, just as I am free to reblog that that is not a proper way to analyze and prove two completely different characters storyline.

Btw, I didn't say you CANT like those characters, I was speaking to at least admit you don't like the book characters because the way people rewrite the book characters into their own headcanon to where they aren't even recognizable and claim to love that character is gross and shows they don't actually understand or like those characters as they rewrite them to fit their narrative. I still feel you did that a bit with this pol Jon thing, but at least you aren't using it to rewrite the book characters and pass that analysis off as happening in the books as well because I see that happen constantly.

Honestly, I don't like any GOT characters from season 8. They are all a hot mess or terrible writing, tho the actors weren't to blame as they did brilliantly with the crap material they were given. And if you like those characters then you are free to like them. Since you were trying to pass them off as the same in the books then that comment wasn't even to you. Ya know that saying, if it don't apply let it fly. Like you calling me deranged. Lol. I know I'm not so I don't care that you stooped to "bullying" as you said I was. Because yeah, I am a big girl and I don't care at all what someone on the internet says about me or my posts.

Honestly, I am a little flabbergasted because usually people double down and never admit they didn't read the entirety of books so they aren't speaking to the books at all. So I commend you for your honesty on that.

Finally, I will reiterate that I apologize for the harsh tone and words, for assuming you were a Jonsa since all the Jonsa are trying to show Pol! Jon! Currently in similar manners to you, tho there was no evidence of that. Your post was not Jonerys but anti-Jonerys so let's point that out. But I was wrong for that and that I assumed you were speaking about book Jon, who is ACTUALLY political.

I still think it's a gross misrepresentation to say Jon would be that evil and deceitful. Someone who would do that to someone that has just saved their life, said they would fight for their country and home at great Sacrifice for them and their people, is not a good person whatever reasons one thinks justify it. Just like Dany isn't a good person when she decided to kills thousands of innocents. Even more so when he ended up not doing anything with that except help drive her to kill those people with his poor treatment and then kill her when it was too late for all those she already killed. But if that's what you want to believe makes him a great politician. You are welcome to it. Just as anyone is welcome to reblog and respond and disagree.

Jonerys Was A Game of Faces: More Evidence That Pol!Jon Was A Thing

Literally the scene before Jon bends the knee in 7x06:

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This scene happens right after Dany watches as Jon's men undress him and sees the stab wounds from when Jon died.

Then we see Sansa sneaking into Arya's room and the first thing she sees after closing the door is a knife.

Then when Arya catches her rummaging around, Arya tells her about the Game of Faces she used to play while training to be a Faceless Man before she got her first Face:

"Back in Braavos, before I got my first Face, there was a game I used to play. A Game of Faces. It's simple, I ask you a question about yourself and you try to make a lie sound like the truth. If you fool me, you win. If I catch a lie, you lose. Let's play."

Sansa: "I don't want to play."

Arya: "How do you feel about Jon being King? Is there someone else you think should rule the North instead of him?"

Sansa: "Those faces...what are they?"

Arya: "Would you like to do the asking? Are you sure? The Game of Faces didn't turn out so well for the last person who asked me questions."

Sansa: "Tell me what they are."

Arya: "We both wanted to be other people when we were younger. You wanted to be a queen, to sit next to a handsome young king on the Iron Throne. I wanted to be a Knight, to pick up a sword like Father and go off to battle. Neither of us got to be that other person, did we? The world doesn't just let girls decide what they're going to be. But I can now. With the Faces, I can choose. I can become someone else. Speak in their voice, live in their skin. I can even become you." *she picks up the dagger* "I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses. To be the Lady of Winterfell. All I'd need to find out is your face." *she hands the dagger to Sansa (indicating she's lost) & walks away*

Very next scene:

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Jon comes to and finds Dany sitting right there, staring at him. He sees that she's upset and immediately begins to apologize, saying he wishes that they'd never gone. He even reaches for her hand to take in his. His body is covered except for the heart stab wound. And then what follows?

Dany tells him that she doesn't wish that, because now she's seen. She agrees to help him fight the NK because of what happened to Viserion. (meaning she's still not committed for the right reason which means things can still change, especially with someone who is impulsive) He thanks her, calling her Dany. She likens him to Viserys because that was who last called her Dany. "Not the company you want to keep."

"Alright. Not Dany. How about My Queen?" (this will come into play later in a near future post)

"I'd, um, bend the knee, but..." (notice how he looks away from her during this line; in the very same season he tells Sansa that Ned always said every word after 'but' was horseshit)

"They'll come to see you for what you are."

The very same music "See You For What You Are" plays later in 8x06 when Jon and Dany have that glare off on the steps in KL.

And in the scene before this (Arya and Sansa's scene), they make sure to show us Sansa seeing the dagger first (which connects her to Jon and that he took a dagger to the heart, the very wounds Dany was just ogling), Arya startles Sansa who immediately mentions that she has hundreds of men loyal to her ("but they're not here, are they?"), Arya begins the Game of Faces despite Sansa Jon not wanting to play, asks Sansa what she thinks of Jon as King (right before he's about to bend the knee?) and who should rule the North (something that Dany and Jon have been debating over), subtly threatens Sansa Jon and then switches the game around, she talks about how she wanted to be a different person as did Sansa (remember Dany trying to emulate Rhaegar at one point?) but neither of them got to be (Dany turned out to be nothing like Rhaegar except for the obsession with the prophecy/destiny thing), Arya threatens Sansa & and loses the game while Sansa Jon wins, and Arya walks away leaving Sansa Jon holding the dagger in his hand.

Not only is this incredible foreshadowing for what's coming down the pipe in the next season, but they're also purposely linking all of this together to show us one thing: in a way, Jon is playing the Game of Faces with Dany. Dany fell in love with Jon and despite her growing paranoia and distrust of him once she knew the truth about his parentage, he was the one able to get close enough to end her tyranny, the one she didn't supposedly see coming. Dany also wasn't able to fool Jon or Sansa or Arya or Bran or anyone else up North on who she really was and what she was. Even most of Westeros wasn't fooled into thinking she was this great Savior Queen that they wanted back on the IT. (Olenna, Ellaria, and Yara all joined her for revenge; only Yara showed any bit of buying Dany's sales pitch & that was more due to her feelings about the woman & the "promised" independence than anything) Dany was only ever able to use her "Faces" to fool others: Breaker of Chains, Mhysa, Mother of Dragons, Khaleesi. And things didn't turn out well for those who didn't "bend the knee" aka believe that image asked her questions.

Jon played the Game of Faces (even though he didn't want to) and won in the end. Do I think he was playing it maliciously? No. I think like Arya confirms in 8x04, he did whatever it took to get Dany and her dragons North to fight the NK. And since Sansa could easily see what Dany was and didn't want to play (until that convo in 8x02 but it was quickly dashed by Dany's anger at Sansa's asking about the North), after the NK had been defeated, he did whatever it took to keep Dany placated (and she was family to him) and keep Sansa safe (since Sansa was the only real threat left to her in Winterfell by Dany's own words in 8x04), as well as becoming a prisoner of Dany's because of her knowing who he really is.

It was all a Game of Faces.

I know people didn't care for this scene between Arya and Sansa at casual glance because it felt very OOC and some Sansa fans were upset at Arya for threatening her, but this is exactly why that scene is sandwiched between the Jon/Dany boat scenes, and why these two characters were chosen as the players to speak that dialogue. Sansa and Jon are connected in more ways than one here, never mind in the series. It makes sense that Arya would be the one to (hopefully) teach Sansa and the audience about this game and what it actually would mean for Jon's bending the knee and submitting to Dany. As well as his answer to Cersei's proposal in the next episode. Personally, I think it went over a lot of GA's heads (as we saw from some of their reactions to Dany going dark at all in the next season), but it was there.

And they even made sure to call back to that line Jon says to Sansa in 7x01 (another connection between them btw besides those mentioned above & the Prisoner theme) as an overt reference in and of itself.

This is proof in the pudding that pol!Jon was very much a thing. They just didn't execute it 100% correctly, and they abandoned it in the eleventh hour for whatever reason. But it's all right there.

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finitefall · 3 years ago

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i see people defending emilia today... she's getting hate? she's such a sweetheart!

Oh God, do yourself a favor and don't go through the anti emilia clarke tag... Dany antis have been hating on her since the first season and they keep doing it. I didn't see anyone defending her today in particular, but maybe someone said crap about her again.

First, she was a bad actress, the bad casting in the show. There was also criticism of her not showing emotions, nevermind that a) it's not true, b) some scenes were written that way and c) she had a brain aneurysm shortly after the first season and another shortly after the third season so it obviously affected her. And speaking of her brain aneurysms, her haters said she used them as "an excuse" and that she was crazy for saying on set that she was gonna die.

After the show was over, she got even more hate for defending Dany and it's still the case today. Her haters call her stupid for not seeing that her character was a tyrant, say she's definitely a terrible actress for not understanding it when she played the scenes that were "foreshadowing" for it. She's in the wrong for standing by Daenerys after what she's done, and she keeps talking about it because she has nothing else going on in her career (since she's a terrible actress). She stole quotes from others characters (??) and was unprofessional when she changed scenes at the detriment of the rest of the cast (they just hate that she wanted Dany to fight in 8x03 and that she made Dany show a good and vulnerable side in her death scene) just to make her own character look better. She's also responsible for Pol!Jon not happening according to Jonsa stans (lol) and she's throwing false accusations at everyone to defend Dany.

She didn't get angry like others cast members when asked about the petition to rewrite season 8 and made it all about her when she said that from what she's heard, people were backing up her character which was nice. She's also awful for saying Jon likes to kill women (nevermind that she wasn’t actually seriously saying he was sexist - it’s Emilia’s humor when talking about something hard), she’s hurting people when she stands by Dany because what her character did on the show is similar to real horrors commited by tyrants in our world. She's racist and ableist (??), and defending Dany after saying she studied tyrants’ speeches, including Hitler’s, for Dany’s speech in the finale is antisemitic (nevermind that she had to follow the script where D&D made WW2 references and that it didn’t mean she agreed with it).

They also accuse her of letting her fans bully Sophie and hate on Sansa, and there have been insults about her looks especially after season 8 (her ruined hair after she dyed it specifically for the show finale season - I'm not gonna repeat the insults but some of them were hating on her character at the same time, and the fact she looks like a normal, beautiful woman is confused with her looking really old (I'm six years younger than her and I wish I looked as great, people really think having wrinkles means looking old...)

I think that's most of it. They basically hate Emilia for loving Dany as much as we do, that's all. She's a sweetheart indeed, and I'd love to hang with her! She'd probably scream at me for ruining my eyebrows when I was a teenager, but I'd make it up to her by showing her my bookshelves ;) She was perfect as Dany and on this blog we stan both Daenerys Targaryen and Emilia Clarke ♥

#GOT #Emilia Clarke #anti got #answered

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dontbipanicjonsa · 3 years ago

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Let's talk about 8x04

(Skipping writing about episode 3 because of obvious reasons.)

At this point, it's getting very hard to tell what is Pol!Jon and what is "oh no I fucked my aunt". Their relationship is disintegrating fast.

1) Sansa's motivations.

If there's anything this episode confirmed for me, it's that Sansa is not motivated by a desire for personal gain (not that I had doubts before).

Her line from S6 comes to mind:

"If we don't take back the North, we'll never be safe."

That's it. That's her motivation in a nutshell. Two things are important here, being safe and the North. In her mind they are inextricably linked.

I think she believes (for good reason) that for her and her family's safety, a Stark has to have power in the North. Exactly which Stark is much less important (she's ready to make Bran Lord of Winterfell, she loyally kept Jon's crown safe through S7, he's still the Warden in the North even tho she's the Lady of Winterfell). Basically, Stark power in the North means safety to her.

Another motivation for her is Northern Independence. I think a part of that is again linked to Starks being in power in the North. She doesn't trust people sitting on the Iron Throne. And a part of it is the independence part. She, her family and much of the North bled and died for that independence, and she cannot give it up so easily.

The real motivation she has in this episode tho is protecting Jon. She says as much herself. Tyrion points out that with Jon in the South, Sansa is the power in the North, but Sansa's mind is on keeping Jon North (aka safe). The moment she told Tyrion his secret kinda reminded me of Cat freeing Jaime. It's a dangerous gamble that they're taking, but in that moment they decide to fuck it because if the gamble pays off, then the people they love (Sansa, Arya, Jon) will be safe. Sansa is fighting for Jon in this moment.

2) I don't wanna bitch about Dany but....

Can't she have said any throwaway line acknowledging the whole "the man I thought is my father actually isn't my father" crisis Jon was probably having inside his head??? Did she really just make his parentage all about her?? Nobody tell me she loves him.

Honestly, I think she's a great character (in the books). Going down a dark path, yes, but still great. The show makers appear to be hurrying along her descent now. This entire scene was jarring.

Moving on from the bitching-

Danaerys is really doubling down on the "what's mine", "the rightful Queen", and even "her destiny" now. The problem is that she's technically wrong. Jon has a better claim than her, and she knows it. Saying that he could take what's hers is plain incorrect. Now if she said, "fuck claims anyway. I've worked for this Throne" I would respect that. At least it's self aware.

3) The lady doth protest too much..?

I think Jon spent half this episode saying, "I don't want the Throne", "you are my Queen", and "she'll be a good Queen". Maybe I'm imagining it, but there is urgency in his words. He's trying to convince the people he is talking to. Who is he talking to?

Dany, Sansa and Arya.

Funny thing tho, in that same conversation with Sansa and Arya, it's established that he "did what he had to" because they needed Danaerys to fight the WW. Now this doesn't contradict his tag lines this episode exactly...but they don't seem entirely congruent with each other either. "Had to" implies a reluctance. Like his hand was forced. At the same time, even tho he keeps talking about how she'll be a good Queen, he provides no reasons for why he believes that, no explanation...only these lines. It makes for an unconvincing argument (sorry Jon).

Someone does say that Dany would be a good Queen because "people follow her" (either Tyrion or Jon) but we already know that's not true. People have not followed her since she came to Westeros, and while the show makes a point of establishing that Jon is liked by his people all the more for his role in the Great War, the same cannot be said for Dany.

So here we have Jon and Tyrion both defending "their Queen" hard. It is known that Tyrion, despite his protests, is having serious doubts about Dany. It is known that he is afraid of her (Sansa establishes that in her conversation with him). It is known that he is aware of her "worst impulses".

Why then, is Jon not? Why is he not having serious doubts? Why is he not afraid of her? Why is he not aware of her worst impulses? How can he not be?

The simple answer is, he is.

4) the "stfu or I stg" look.

The look he gives Sansa during the battle planning meet where she suggests letting the troops rest. Honestly? It's a sound suggestion. Jon, who has been Lord Commander, led people in battle, and is generally not known for mistreating his troops should agree with her. So why does he shut her down so hard, and with that look?

Dany says, "the longer I wait, the stronger my enemies grow". Which enemies?

It's a safe assumption to make that Dany is including Sansa in that list of enemies. As Tyrion says to Sansa (I don't remember the words exactly) but something to the effect of "it's easier to give in to her (Dany)" and Sansa immediately catches that Tyrion is afraid of Dany.

Now Jon is forcing Sansa to give in to Dany.....you see where I'm going with this.

This, along with his insistence that Dany is his Queen and she will be a good Queen....

Here's the thing. There are three things that could be happening here.

First, Jon is afraid of Dany and is being extremely accommodating to keep the heat off himself, and forcing Sansa to do the same.

Second, he's really Stockholm Syndromed his way into falling in love with Dany and he means everything he says.

Third, he has miraculously lost his critical thinking skills, his ability to see and hear Dany making some very dark threats (itching to burn KL, increasingly paranoid about Tyrion and Sansa, only concerned with the better claim that Jon now has on her Throne) and all his brain cells.

I know which of these things I want to believe.

5) In love?

Are Jon and Dany in love?

Danaerys is not. She felt something for him, yes, but now that she's discovered his parentage....her priorities are abundantly clear. She does not trust him, she is concerned only with the consequences this reveal has on her claim.

Her reaction is a mix of legitimate fear that this may be the end of her, a more concerning sentiment of "what it will do to the people" because what exactly will it do to the people...? A fear that he will "take what's hers" nevermind that she's supposed to love and trust him and he hasn't done anything himself to prove he's untrustworthy, and a fear of what it will do to "us" (?what?).

Does this make me think she honestly loves him? No.

Does he love her? It doesn't look like it. But we've already established that it's never particularly looked like he loves her. The question now is why does he keep insisting that he is subservient to her? Where does Pol!Jon end and the breakdown of their relationship begin?

The greatest irony of Jonerys is that it's supposed to be the most epic love story, but it's the story of two people that are incapable of truly loving each other.

6) are you seriously telling me

Are you seriously telling me that Jon reluctantly gives away his crown to this woman because he felt that he was left with no choice (and the woman greatly contributed to making him feel that way) and he simultaneously falls in love with her?

Honestly? It's a bit reminiscent of Yggrite. The entire story from Jon going to Dragonstone till now is very reminiscent of Yggrite. I would just like to believe that Jon's character has developed and grown since Yggrite.

And if Dany is Yggrite, then she's an Yggrite who is threatening mass murder and the lives of Jon's family. Are you seriously telling me Jon is capable of loving that (in a healthy way)?

My god. I get what people say now about Jon's character being assassinated. Pol!Jon is really my only option if I want to keep his character somewhat consistent. I guess we have to make our own consistency in this world too.

Note- these are only my ramblings and they are filled with my personal opinion and biases. I'm only saying what I think, not that I'm right.

#jonsa #jonsa meta #political jon #pol!jon #dark dany

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christinapotter09 · 4 years ago

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Chapters: 24/? Fandom: Game of Thrones (TV), A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire & Related Fandoms Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Jon Snow/Sansa Stark Characters: Jon Snow | Aegon Targaryen, Sansa Stark, Davos Seaworth, Brienne of Tarth, Tyrion Lannister, Bronn (ASoIaF) Additional Tags: Mention of - Freeform, Implied Cersei Lannister/Jaime Lannister, King Bran Stark, Minor Arya Stark/Gendry Waters, Pol!Jon, pol!sansa, various political themes, angsty, angry, Dark, Dark Jonsa, post season 8 fic, Jon Snow is a Targaryen, and it's about time for everyone to deal with it, him first, more characters will show up or will be mentioned, Dark Magic, god of light themes, jon and sansa will face all their problems, and each other, properly goddamnit, only jonsa, to the bone, with lots of angst and feels and tears and frustration, Slow Burn, dark themes, Multichapter, WIP, imperfect characters, Explicit Sexual Content Summary:

'You betrayed me!' Jon seethed, his grip around her arms tightening. She barked a laugh only a she-wolf would dare before him. 'Did I?' Sansa asked in mockery, ignoring the irongrip, she had felt worse. 'The difference between us isn't big, Aegon. It's simply that while I tamed my demons, yours tamed you and-' her words were cut off by his lips in a bruising kiss that stole their breaths away. The North and the Six Kingdoms struggle to cope with the consequences of the past. Two young Wolves try to rule over the ashes and ruins of what the kingdoms have become. Bran the Broken is dead, Sansa Stark reaches King's Landing for the passing of her brother and another Great Council assembled. Only for it to be destroyed by the arrival of the last Targaryen and his dragon, a man changed with his identity embraced. Aegon Targaryen returns and he's ready to claim what is rightfully his, taken and changed by Bran and Sansa Stark. The Queen in the North didn't bend in front of her abusers and captors, she didn't break for the Dragon Queen or the Dead. The Lone Wolf wouldn't bend before the last Dragon, no matter how fast her heart beaten every time he neared her, his presence so different, yet so familiar.

Chapter Twenty Four - Jon XII

‘He betrayed the North, he bent the knee to another Targaryen, his own aunt, he went South times and times again until he never came back!’ Glover was furious while Sansa remained silent to look at him. Jon knew it was time for him to speak and face them all, he had expected the anger, but now, as he faced the Lords he once chose to let down, he also detected the hurt towards their faith to an honourable choice that had failed.

‘And I am here now, as a royal guest and only, not demanding anything from the North-’

‘You’re marrying our Queen, dragonking!’ Glover countered back, all courtesy forgotten. Jon chose not to scowl, keeping his temper even to his own surprise.

#jonsa #actuallyjonsa #jon x sansa #jonsa fic #jon snow #sansa stark #dark jonsa #post season 8 fic

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thewolfbit · 6 years ago

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Thoughts on 801

I missed a TON being off Tumblr for almost a week, and I’ve been trying to go through everything in the tag but failing miserably (bc you all ROCK at generating new content, and I am so well fed!!!!). So this is probably really repetitive and jet-laggy, but here are my thoughts (they may be a bit out of order):

Arya Stark!!!! I SHRIEKED

Then my heart broke because she sees some of the most important men in her life again, and none of them see her, and honestly that scene was really painful??? Her reaction! She was so disappointed and it HURT.

D is upset the smallfolk of the North don’t like her, but then her dragons swoop in and TERRIFY everyone and she has SUCH a satisfied smile... like omg HBO is dark!D on main now I guess??

JON AND BRAN REUNION. Jon quickly falls into the “he’s weird but we still love and accept him” group with Sansa and Arya

JON AND SANSA HUG WAS SHORTENED!!! WTF Y’ALL. I’m mad about this!!! Why did they shorten that amazing reunion 2.0 after hyping it so much?? Idk I know they shoot it from multiple angles, but it just seems really strange to me to edit and prep two different versions to air for no apparent reason. (Also, were they for sure the same footage? For example, D and Jorah start walking, but don’t unclasp their hands like they did in the teaser... idk, I need to watch it again when my brain is done being jet lagged.)

^ Has GoT done this before with any other alternate footage that’s only used for promo?

D: “JON TOLD ME HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE.” That’s it. That’s my take on this line.

D finding out about Viserion being turned was... rushed... I felt like this should have been a MUCH bigger moment. But—

Sansa and Tyrion reunion. Either Tyrion and Jon are both turned into devoted idiots in D’s presence, or they’re playing at something. Sansa sees through that shit with Tyrion!! I drank grape juice (no wine, I’m jet lagged!) to salute her in this scene

ARYA AND JON REUNION. While parts of this were great, I felt so bad for Arya here!! She deserved a real, wonderful, drawn-out reunion like Sansa and Jon got, instead of two seconds of loveliness and then “help me with Sansa and my gf” 🙄 Jon I get that maybe you’re trying to get on Arya’s side and be co-conspirators again like you were as kids but KNOCK IT OFF, you’re annoying me in this episode. #sansadefensesquad (which Arya is totally a part of and DON’T FORGET THAT)

Oh no the dragons only ate the equivalent of 100 human meals today!! 😢 The dragon flying scene was honestly so cringey I felt like we were watching a completely different TV show. Why TF would D just be like “hey ride my 2nd dragon”??? There wasn’t even any pretext?? Like can’t they just throw in a “hey my dragons weirdly like you, they’ve never liked anyone, maybe they’ll let you ride them”?? Anyway I don’t even have anything more to say about this mess of a DotD2.0-setting-up scene other than: IT’S A MESS

Varys: “if you think J*nerys is endgame you aren’t paying attention”

D threatening Sansa.

N O P E.

I want to say “TRY IT” but also... pls don’t try it because you’re scary and have WMDs. LEAVE MY GIRL ALONE, she’s trying to defend her home from a usurper, which seems like something you could understand (tbh Sansa has been perfectly respectful... all she is doing is not being friendly!!! What TREASON)

Theon saved Yara!! Wow, super rushed! But OK! Theon is coming back to WF, probably to die by saving Bran or Sansa or something. Sigh. But at least he’s coming back.

Cersei was amazing in this episode. Everything was just so... great. Lena is perfection. Lena is the anti-dragon flying scene. Grape juice all around

Sidenote: some people are mentioning Daario returning with the Golden Company? I need to look more into this, but DANG. That would be interesting. I would love for this show to tie up some of its loose ends

SANSA AND JON SCENE. This is a great scene (even though I was mad at Jon). THE ANGST. THE SUBTEXT. The lines: “You know I do.” “She’s much prettier.” (Aka she’s a pretty version of the Mad King, Jon... it’s not a compliment!!!) and of course:

The Hound’s reunion with Arya... kinda sucked? Idk I know things are Complicated between them and she hated him a lot, but they also had a kind of grudging love for each other after all they went through. I just hated that he called her a bitch. I’m not trying to defend anything the Hound did or said, because it was awful and he wasn’t an amazing role model or anything!! But that’s who he was before, and I sort of thought that after his redemption arc and all that he’d be happier to see Arya. Or at least not call her a bitch, because

She was a child!!!

He was terrible to her!! She probably would have mercy killed him if he hadn’t been like “I wanted to rape your sister”

If she’d killed him he would be... dead... you’re alive now so calm tf down and don’t call her a bitch!! #aryadefensesquad

(Also, I’m a bit nervous that they’ll have the Hound and Sansa have a more emotional reunion since they skipped it with him and Arya, and their relationship was even more fraught, so... yikes)

GENDRY AND ARYA REUNION. My Gendrya heart is SOARING!! That shit was cute!!! “You’ve gotten better” omfg Gendry, YOU ADORABLE IDIOT. IMO this was the only good Arya reunion in this episode, sadly

Sam was obviously upset about his dad and brother being executed. Because duh. Jon was upset too. Because duh. Wait until they find out it was execution by FIRE. (I sort of hope Sam doesn’t, because this scene was so sad and I felt so bad for him.)

I was also annoyed that they made it somewhat comedic with Sam almost getting run over by a wagon and then tripping down the crypt steps or whatever. Sam is an actual human with feelings who just found out his dad and brother died, not just some comic relief 🙄

Sam and Jon reunion! A short nice moment between Sam learning that his family members were killed and Sam telling Jon who his real family members are (...including, coincidentally, the family member who killed Sam’s family members...)

Parentage reveal. I felt like this scene could have been slowed down a bit (and Jon could have shown a lot more consideration of Sam’s news about his dad and brother dying!!), but I get that the audience already knows the truth so they don’t have time to have Sam convince Jon that it’s true. Jon’s first response: “it’s treason.” Aka he’s scared of D’s reaction. Not that he’s gonna lose his relationship with her. Not that he doesn’t think he could be a better leader. But that she’ll turn against him—and now he’s led her into his home.

Jaime rolls up and Bran’s like “HEY PAL.” My guess is that everyone will want to kill him (besides Tyrion and Brienne) but Bran will be like “we need him” or something

Overall, I think the episode had some great Jonsa/dark!D/pol!Jon setup and enough corny J*nerys stuff to make shippers and GA think it’s still a True Romance.

Stuff I can’t wait for in the next episode:

Sansa(!) and Arya’s reactions to the parentage reveal

D’s reaction, if it happens—Jon might not want to rock the boat and risk losing her support before the WWs come

Varys seeing Sansa as the ruler she is

Jaime swearing an oath to Sansa, Arya, and Bran in Catelyn’s honor

Braime reunion!!!!!

Gendrya moments!!

Everyone saying goodbye to their loved ones before the battle (night before the battle love/passion scenes are MY JAM)

Cersei plotting to kidnap Sansa?

#jonsa #jon x sansa

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dachi-chan25 · 6 years ago

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GoT Season 8 Episode 1: The Pointy End Recap

Gods I am back on my bullshit but I can't help it 'cause I had too many thoughts about yesterday's episodes.

Disclaimer: So if you know me or my blog you know I don't root for D Targy (I write it like this cuz i don't want this post to pop up in her tag) and that she sometimes annoys the crap out of me, also i don't root for her bland ass romance or anything magical lizard related. I support House Stark 100% so ofc I believe in Pol!Jon (and more over I am a Jonsa shipper so ofc Imma write about that) and if you don't agree or don't feel confortable with any of those things this Recap is not for you (if you come here to troll I'll just ignore you anyway so don't waste your time and energy like that)

With that said let's begin!

-The episode starts with a young boy running to meet the Queen's entourage, we already see a lot of peasants and common folk gathered there, Arya sees the boy and smiles fondly (she is totally reminiscing when she did the same when King Bobby B visited WF) This shots made me feel very nostalgic as they parallel very closely S1.

Another parallel that it's included here is Jon and D arriving all regal couple like, I was just remembering about Bobby B and Cersei, and things are already on a visual side not working for them (d looks totally out of place with that flashy awkward coat, I mean the color, the cut, the red details, all of it makes her stand out like a sore thumb. On a visual level alone she does not belong there). The music is also worth noting, it starts off on a very ominious tone and then gets some heroic B bright undertones as Dr and Jon ride closer to he camera, but again falls into an ominious conqueror-villian entrance song.

The perspective shifts to Arya watching Jon and D riding (she doesn't seem happy to see D she kind of looks confused) but smiles when she sees Jon, we also see The Hound (Arya looks really confused, cuz she probably thought he was dead) and Gendry (she gives the cutest smiles ever,and yassssss Gendyra lives!!) riding behind them.

We get Varys and Tyrion riding in a carriage of sorts, and an unnecesary enuch joke *sigh* even Varys calls out Tyrion for it, and he is like idgaf cuz i got ballzzzz!! (Classy dude)

The common folk is not diggin this dragon kween business and obviously don't cheer or grovel at d's feet, she is very upset at this and Jon is like "I told you so", then the dragons approach and the people are terrified, they scream and run, worst of all D smiles and seems so smug (fuuuck her a thousand times, this proves she doesn't give a fuck about poor people unless they adore her, and that fear is just as well for her as respect, cuz this bitch is just like Cersei but dumber) and we don't really get to see Jon's reaction but come the fuck on!! This people Jon knows, some of them he has seen since he was a little boy, these are the people he is trying hard to protect and you think he is not gonna care for them just cuz d is pwetty?? Nah dude, he knows she cares about being worshipped (I meaaaan her long ass list of titles) but he thinks she is mostly harmless (may i remind you he still doesn't know about the TARLYS)

The camera follows the dragons and we see Sansa looking at them with worry (my poor girl, that's the adecuate reaction when you see monsters terrifying your people)

K, now we are seeing Jon in the courtyard, he sees Bran and immediately runs to him (you can clearly see Jorah helping D dismount in the background and that's hillarious cuz 2 seconds in WF and he is already leaving her ass behind in favor of his family), we even get a forhead kiss and Jon is pretty emotional at seeing his baby brother all grown up (tbh i find Bran's deadpan deliveries so funny, Jon looks confused af) he sees SANSA and biiiitch (I wanted to screenshot his face but I just gave up cuz it's very quick) the softness of his stare, the parted mouth, the way he just dives into her arms (Sansa stares at D while they hug like bih fuck off he is ours) . I want to address something real quick, yeah it was a shorter hug than we expected, but not less emotional ( Sansa was smiling and the look on Jon's face when he saw her) still it was 10000x times better than any Aegony scene because the affection is mutual Jon goes straight for a hug and Sansa opens her arms as opposed as Aegony scenes that rely heavily on D. Also I think this hug was shorter (and we see Jon pulling apart first) cuz d is watching, not only that but a lot of people are and i do think this season until the parentage reveal is out in the open they will be trying to keep their distances cuz they have feelings siblings are not supposed to have.

Jon asks for Arya, and Sansa says she is lurking somewhere with a smile (this reminded me of Cat asking about Arya on ep 1) and D approaches with the most forced smile ever, Jon introduces Sansa with her proper title first and then is like she is the kween D Targy forsaking all her thousand titles thank god. Also the first thing Jon says is that Sansa is his sister which I'll talk about later. So D tries (and fails) to be charming, saying how beautiful WF and the North (she says it's as beautiful as Jon said) and compares Sansa's beauty to it which had me wondering stuff.

A) so we never get Jon and D talking about Jon's siblings (another aegony is doomed moment) but he does mention briefly Arya and Bran cuz he thought they were dead, but Sansa??? Unless a thrid party brought her up he never talked about her which leads me to think D had no idea about Sansa being Jon's sister and that is why he breaks the hug and introduces he as his sister frist of all.

B) By talking about Sansa's beauty and how Jon talked about it, it implies they did talk about Sansa and that Jon said she was beautiful ??? Cuz that's the way D made it sound xdddd.

Ofc i think the A to be more like lyrics cuz Jon is playing his cards very close to his chest, but I thought it was funny.

Sansa brushes her of and delivers the WF is yours your Grace bs. Duuuude she is not even trying to be charming (she is corteous enough but barely) like she would have played the modest naive Maiden and said "not as beautiful as you, your grace" (bihhh d would have loved this shit) nor even a gracious thank you. And i wonder whyyy?? As far as she knows she is an ally, and yeah she doesn't trust her damn she doesn't even like her but that hasn't stopped her before like damn she was all charm when she met Roose and Ramsey for the 1st time and she hated them!!!! What I think is happening is that LF'S words are still in her mind about Jon marrying D, and Jon separated too quickly from their hug, and now he is standing beside this woman calling her queen, and yeah I see the jealousy maybe she doesn't know why fully maybe she is just starting to realize her feelings and is all projecting them onto the he betrayed the north's trust but I do feel it goes beyond that and it shows.

Bran interrupts before things get uglier with D and Sansa, with news about the wall, D looks shocked (bet she thought she was the only one who could control dragons) Jon looks like he is about to have a pánico attack.

They have a meeting with the northern Lords in the Great Hall (it is very curious that Jon is seated between d and Sansa, when befitting her new title D should be in the middle, D&D are driving this love triangle home) but from the get go we see that Sansa is the one running stuff and doing everything a queen should, she asks Ned Umbr about his people, he says they need more wagons and horses (I am sideeyeing D so hard at this moment) Sansa bids him to go to Last Hearth and bring as many ppl as he can.

Lyanna Mormont then proceeds to rip Jon a new one (but Lyanna like everyone else isn't really getting the full picture) and Jon looks at Sansa for support (like curious, as Lyanna is talking about D and she is his lady love and stuff you'd think he would look at her to gather strenght or resolution for what he is about to say but nope) but she is like 'dude you deserve it' and I would say she is right but like wasn't Sansa defending him to everyone that would listen last season ??? She literally said she respects Jon's desicions, nah this is her jealousy this is a go on prove me wrong, talk, give them (and me) and explanation of why u betrayed our trust for her. And Jon does look crushed when he sees he is not getting any support from her cuz if pol!Jon is right he did it! He listened to her, he was smarter than father and Robb, he brought an army home, and Sansa the one he did all this for still won't trust him that the North is his heart and home and he would do anything to keep it safe (like still pretty fucking unfair he wants sansa's blind faith without giving her anything in return but I get where he is coming from) and if pol!Jon is not real then they really destroyed Jon's character in favor of the blandest romance ever and I can't get behind that way of thinking because before I even shipped Jonsa I was a fan of both Jon Snow and Sansa Stark and I believe and support them both.

Honestly my boy doesn't even try to sell D, he is just like we need allies!! Tyrion just about gives up cuz he thinks Jon is a bumbling fool with no idea of how the game is played (lmaooo) and tries to sell D plus the idea that Cersei is sending them the Lannister army (I think is very important jon didn't mention this and I will go on about it later) Sansa is just about fed up with this bs, and asks a real important question about how da fuck is she supposed to feed this big ass army plus 3 dragons that she didn't account for and she doesn't have any obligation towards, like that's d's job, even worse d's haughty response (you can see Jon doesn't like this one bit) like honestly I had never felt more annoyed by d she is already a villian threatening Sansa in her own home for daring to care more about her people than about d's lizards, and i don't know how people are ok with that, like dude y'all are entitled to your own opinión and to loving your faves, but this shit was awfull.

We see carts of dragonglass in the courtyard, Gendry is giving instructions and Lord Royce is just leaving Sansa looking at all this activity when Tyrion approaches Sansa.

This is already to long and I have much to say about the Tyrion-Sansa convo, so let's go on in part 2!!

#jonsa #got 8 recaps #episode 1 #part 1 #dachi rants #dachi rambles #anti daenerys targaryen #anti aegony #anti targaryen

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itsediadmlove · 6 years ago

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8X04

People I am about to confess you a secret; I LOVED THE EPISODE. And speaking the truth I’ve had enough on people posting bullshit, no one felt good about the Red Wedding, and yet it was amazing, one of the best plot twist I’d ever watched. If you just want everything to be perfect and epic go rewatch the lord of the rings; this show isn’t for you.

-never knowing how it’s gonna end

-suffering along your faves

-spending hundreds of hours thinking ‘bout the outcome

-then trying again

This is GOT. You thought you were going to be gifted with... That’s bullshit, you will suffer and struggle to the very end. You will be surprised (mostly in terrible ways), you will doubt, you will feel like nothing makes sense... The Night King is dead and what does that mean? We are back to good old shitty life, we are back home. I’m tagging this post as Jonsa because it’s my north, the corner of the fandom I belong to, and I am not breaking faith today, I am telling you, I don’t know how long will this post will be, but I am doing it even if I consider it to be a pain in the ass, and if anyone feels like having a deeper conversation, or need reassurance or anything, well, I’m her for them, and I will continue to do so as well as I can.

Personally I consider this episode to be everything Kit promised: a huge bunch of questions, the wheel is moving again and we are clueless. But I don’t get what people is crying all over, yes, the long night is over and yet everyone in the fandom found themselves in their darkest hour, it was tragic, it was full of angst, fuck, it was sad and yet nothing is over.

- Sansa (of course): well today (I live in Europe and I don’t wait ‘till 4AM to watch episodes) I got more confirmation (after 2 almost empty episodes) of Sansa being in love with Jon. She finally got to know who he really is. It sure was disappointing not to see Sansa’s reaction on screen (I yelled at my computer like for half an hour, but it’s not as if it wasn’t important for her, it was just hidden from us) yet we got to see her concern for Jon and even him being a Targ she still wants him to stay by her side. She couldn’t stand to watch him and Dany look happy (for the 10 seconds it lasted) And Tyrion felt something was wrong with her. I believe her telling Tyrion was the beginning of what Sophie said about turning on her family, and she was clearly pissed ‘bout the idea of Jon not coming back North. And yet she did amazing by telling Tyrion, just by that she is jeopardizing Danie’s court: that’s my girl.

- Daenerys Targaryen, the breaker of chains, khaleesi of... And all her shit: Amazing episode. She was smart (not just for the Gendry stuff) and completely right in her convo with Jon; as long as westeros recognize him as the true born son of Rhaegar her claim doesn’t exist. And don’t get it wrong it’s not like he has a super strong claim (she was right about Jon’s only witness to be Sam and Bran, your little brother and best friend saying you are the true heir sounds fishy), just look at Stannis, he was right all along as he claimed to be Robert’s heir and no one gave a shit because they never wanted HIM as a king. As Dany is not the stupid brat a lot of Jonsas seem to believe she knows that every single time westerosi lords want to disobbey they’ll have an excuse by accepting Jon’s claim as true, his identity will constantly jeopardize her authority just because he exist, it doesn’t matter what he wants ( Dany and Varys are right here) Just as Dany, Varys and Tyrion know it will happen with Sansa (something Daenerys was right as well). DARK!DANY is on the motion already. Varys knows it, Sansa knows it, Bran knows it, Arya knows it and both Jon and Tyrion were realizing it this episode ( I will come to that later). It was even fun to watch her say to Jon how she his subjects will force him to use his claim to take what is hers (if he has the claim, doesn’t it mean it was never hers to begin with?). It’s the first time that she feels all; powerfull, angry and scared at the same time. Emilia deliverance all the episode felt amazing.

-Varys and Tyrion: we still have to see Varys die... but mates i felt heartbroken for him today. I’ve loved him since season one (something that didn’t happen with Sansa for example) he is a schemer and yet he is so moral. He has been making the right points all over the show and has been our warning about Dany for 2 seasons already. Yet this is the first time I’ve seen him emotional. I am of the opinion that Tyrion is in love with Dany, he is smarter than Jorah and he knows he doesn’t have a chance and doesn’t even pretend but he is loyal to her, truly loyal, this kind of loyalty that is born on someone who feels fully validated and trusted by someone when no one else would... Except for Varys. The Eunuch has been his truest friend, the one who was willing to see him for what he was despite of everything apart of Dany, but he loves her and we all know the crazy shits Lannisters do for love. By the end of the episode Varys implied she has to die. I loved it because it teared this weird and constant duo apart, and Varys went emotional for that. I strongly believe he will sell him to Dany (who, by the way, had Varys warned already) and if this happen fellows shit is going to hit the fan: first of all their conversation paralleled the conversation Tyrion had wwith Bronn about murdering Joffrey (at least in the books, I don’t remember the show properly) the sentence we are speaking treason sticked to me while watching. The poetic part of it is that, at least in the book, such conversation was brought by Varys during Tyrion trials to proove him guilty, Him playing the same move on Varys seems so good to just let it through (maybe he won’t expect him to be executed or it won’t happen at all). In any case, if it happens, Dany will learn why he was plotting (that is Jon), and them both knowing the truth would confirm Dany’s fear about his claim.

-And finally Jon: Plenty of people have been posting complaints about Jon’s behaviour, pol!jon being debunked because of his behaviour... I laugh at it. First of all, those who believe that Jon would just use Dany and just tell her fuck off are as delusional as Jonerize shitters said. Pol!jon was not about betraying Dany but about taking her north, and he did. It’s not on Jon’s nature to betray people. He is meant to do such a thing because of circumstances not because he wants to turn on people (he is not a Frey for god’s sake), the treason for love was never intended, events would put him in such spot. I still believe he is not in love with Dany yet he was trying his best; he ows her a great deal, she loves him a lot and she is pretty (may not be much of a reason yet is far from bad), he may think he could build his love stone by stone. And still he had to close his eyes to kiss her and stopped as soon as he looked at her (rewatch folk, rewatch)... While speaking with his family he made them swear not to tell the secret to anybody, and you know what, for me he looked scared as hell. Why? Because he was telling them something that would put them in danger (’’we can all live together’’, ‘’we can... I just told you how’’ now this was a fucking threat, and Emilia’s voice just let through it was not a fuckingocasional statement this time). Now about political Jon in particular yesterday’s episode has the boldest move he has ever plaid on her, I will give you a clue; it was during the war council when they were speaking about how they would go south, it was subtle, without a single word (we were distracted by Dany and Sansa being at each other throat), and yet he failed to get his way, Grey Worm corrected him... Now can someone who is not to focus on how much Sansa and Dany hate each other tell me what move he was trying to pull on Dany? (Rewatch folks, just rewatch)

#jonsa

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