#What is going on with harrow and alecto
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i also hate the locked tomb but am obsessed with it. i dont know what to do anymore man. i want to but i cannot stop thinking about them
BRO YOU GET ME. I hate it. I love it. I have fanart of the characters saved. Fanart and textposts are constantly on my dash. Gideon and Harrow make me absolutely feral. Today, I was considering rereading it because maybe I missed something? But nah, I don't think I did lmao. The writing style is not for me at all, but I'll be fucking damned if the author doesn't know how to make characters that nest in your brain. Gideon and Harrow are a literal masterclass in how to make readers obsessed with characters. I started drawing fanart of them myself!!! Just today I saw art from a scene in the first book that really got to me. I'm genuinely so fucking obsessed but I'll never buy the second book.
#Muir I don't know how you did it girl#But good job#I hate your series but I love your characters with a passion that makes no sense#It took me three tries to get through the first book#And I still have no idea what's going on#What the absolute fuck is a lyctor#What is going on with harrow and alecto#It's so confusing to the point of hatred but damn#Maybe I have something for tortured religious lesbians#Listen#Religion as a source of torture for gay people is something I absolutely eat the fuck up#Also I expected there to be more romance#I really didn't go into it expecting it to be what it was#I was disappointed Gideon and harrow didn't kiss at the end#I know why they didn't of course#That's not the point of the book#But I like lesbian stories where that absolutely IS the point
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holy fuck harrow is a product of her parent’s genocide and alecto is a product of jod’s genocide how have i never put this together before
i’m trying to spell out my thoughts about this but i cant get past how a horrific number of people had to die in order for them to exist
#was this obvious did everyone else know this?#the locked tomb#harrowhawk#harrow the 9th#gideon the ninth#gideon the 9th#alecto the ninth#alecto the first#tlt#tlt spoilers#locked tomb#locked tomb spoilers#i actually just collapsed into a chair over this I’m so drama#like obviously harrow and gideon’s relationship foils of jod and alecto’s and harrow is jod and gideon is alecto.#because jod and harrow are necromancers and also the one running things as god or as reverend daughter.#and gideon and alecto both come from unknown origins (to the people around them) and had to ‘die’ to give power to their necromancer.#wait no also cause gideon was the only survivor of that genocide and alecto is the embodiment of what remains of life on earth.#also alecto is described as having been violently created#and considering gideon’s conception and wake’s death i wouldnt say gideon’s all that different#hi today i am going insane#four way foils they all foil each other#i feel like maybe this is obvious and I’m just slow but i hadnt put it together spelled out like this before#i LOVE character foils so much
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Did not change much in the end
#the locked tomb#harrowhark nonagesimus#harrow the ninth#gideon the ninth#things ive made#tlt fanart#I originally wanted to do big harrow and more smaller sketches on the side but the canvas is just no big enough it seems#so I’m just doing each sketch on a new layer#idk how many more harrows I have in me#I’m running out of outfits tbh#I mean there are a few more#but I desperately need Alecto to drop#ALSO I know that harrow would never use bird bones bc they’re too light and fragile but the crow skull just looks so good#teeth also? I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be desirable as far as bones go but what can I say except that they look DOPE
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#harrowhark nonagesimus#harrow the ninth#tlt#the locked tomb#intothearttagyougo#gtn#htn#the moon#tw blood#liike a litttleee bit of blood#whoo boy this one went so much better this time around#originally i had her as death because i felt like if i made her the moon gideon /had/ to be the sun... because gay obviously#death being all about transformations and endings nd shit iirc#i also thought of putting her as the tower because her entire life is an extended tower moment#but ehhh i feel like this arrangement came out the strongest and cleanest#what with the subconscious and the.. mystery? it works lmao. and i brought ties with gideon back in with the swords ¯\_(ツ)_/¯#(spoilers) gideon just works too well as the hanged man between the perspective shift and self-sacrifice/martyr meanings. like???#and if i eventually do nona i feel she would be the sun so that'd be a good pairing too. im kinda torn between sun and the fool for her#alecto being the world#so uh#yeah#here ya go!#also yall were really sweet and funny in the tags for gideon thank you one of my favorites was the person who said hell yeah she's hung#also to the person who started barking: same
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When Alecto woke up, she finished the sentence she'd started when she was put to rest. There's a continuity there, unbroken by her consciousness having moved on or shifted attention in the ten thousand years she was asleep or dead, despite her having been other people and done things in the interim. It reminds me of when Harrow woke up in the dream of Canaan House with her memory restored. It had been nine months, but by her perception she had only lost Gideon three days ago. She had split herself into two selves, but Harrow First and Harrow Secundarius were really all one Harrowhark wearing different clothes.
I think Alecto, Nona, the Body are the same way. They're all one person, separated by what they're wearing and what they can remember.
Alecto remembers everything up to her death, and she's wearing a body built for her as a prison out of her dirt and John's blood and bones.
Nona remembered nothing, and was wearing Harrow.
I think the Body was halfway between them. Her memory was vague, and she had no body. She knew things Harrow appeared not to, and seemed to recognize John, but she was confused when she tried to share information about herself. She was Alecto only half awake, summoned by a kiss from a crying child.
I'm looking forward to seeing how or if these three aspects of Alecto will mesh. The Alecto who woke up in the epilogue of Nona the Ninth didn't remember being Nona. She didn't recognize Harrow, or remember being the Body who followed Harrow for months, talking her through her fears and trying to hold her when she cried herself to sleep. Nona was afraid to become Alecto, because she didn't think she would know how to love anything, but that can't really be true. Every version of Alecto we've seen so far has done nothing but love. She just has to remember.
#having. Alecto thoughts#alecto the first#the body#the corse of the locked tomb#ntn spoilers#nona the ninth#the locked tomb#like... the stuff this series is doing with identity is fascinating#harrow referring to pre-lobotomy self in the past tense#alecto vs the body vs nona#camilla and palamedes and paul#kiriona and gideon#and then there's pyrrha#can't wait to see what the fuck is going on with Pyrrha and her memories and her concept of self
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"why is there only 1 RB per planet. why dorsn't the moon get an RB. what even is a soul" are all good questions and i have another!
if john killing the planets produced the resurrection beasts, if the reason he killed the planets was to get a thanergy boost from their deaths, and a thing must have a soul for it to be killed, does this mean the fucking sun has a soul?
ugh you know before nona came out i was semi-convinced that alecto was actually the RB of the sun. which doesn't really make sense bc how could there be life on the sun. but john said he reignited the sun, and that he continued to power it, and his eyes kind of look like an eclipse, you get it. so YEAH i'm with you here, if john actually resurrected the sun then it seems like it's gotta have a soul right?!! IF john is telling the truth, which seems to be a big if, because in HTN right as we believe john's death is causing the sun to collapse he suddenly re-forms and tells augustine that he can't actually be killed by the RBs or by mercymorn, so no need to worry about Dominicus after all, except how it may have toasted the sixth a little bit there, whoopsie! BUT then in NTN john does say he "bit through the sun first" so like!! what is the deal!!
#AND in john 5:4 harrow implies that not all the planets were fully colonized at the time of the resurrection#which lines up with what john says in HTN about the lyctors going to hammer away at the Houses#soooooo if an installation/colony was not complete. how big of an RB does that get you? does it even get you an RB?#anyways i don't still think alecto is an RB of the sun but i do still think either something is fucky or#the internal logic is just a little wibbly. we don't even know what a theorem is i am not expecting this to be fully explained at any point#the locked tomb#asks#ossifer-bones
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im extremely entertained by the fact that at some point in alecto the ninth, its very possible that john's gonna see harrow and alecto together. what are you supposed to do when a fucked up fucking necromancer dates both your daughter and your ex. i would just die probably
#god death scene is just harrow showing up and going 'i fucked your ex whom ive loved my entire life and what are you gonna do about it'#and john dies right then and there. L.#tlt#tlt shitposting#tlt spoilers#the locked tomb#the locked tomb spoilers#alecto the ninth#ntn spoilers#nona the ninth#nona the ninth spoilers#john gaius#harrowhark nonagesimus#alecto the first#gideon nav#kiriona gaia
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Definitelynot-tober day seven: BETWEEN YOUR TEETH
(promt list)
the only thing that came to mind when I read the promt was the scene from Nona the Ninth:
Alecto was angry, and raised her up, and kissed her. The child did not cry out, though blood fell from her lips and tongue, and she was wounded sore. For Alecto knew not how to kiss, except such as it involved the mouth and teeth.
#definitelynottober#definitelynottober2024#tlt fanart#harrowhark nonagesimus#alecto#im down bad for the locked tomb ohh im really down bad#also idk what harrow was wearing in this scene at this point. just go with me#its black. it counts#inktober#ntn spoilers
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Abella Trine. Abella Trine is the name that Ianthe had in an early draft.
One of her love interests was a spoiled swordswoman who loved sexy parties. A swordswoman. Who Palamedes describes as disliked by the narrative.
Until she meets a tedious widower??? Saintly dead spouse??! After a couple of misunderstandings they get married???
In conclusion. Harrianthe wedding sweep?
#I thought it was the least likely possibility tbh but now..#Ianthe is the one who would insist on having everyone in fancy outfits for her wedding...Harrow is def going to be one of the parties...#Arranged marriage is one of tazmuir's favorite tropes...she uses foreshadowing so often...paired with the 'I'm going to marry that girl som#Hgggggghhhggjggjggh idk what to think anymore#I'm not getting my hopes up for a griddlehark wedding but I thought Harrow/Alecto seemed most likely#We shall see we shall see#the locked tomb#alecto the ninth predictions#ianthe tridentarius#ianthe naberius#harrowhark nonagesimus#kiriona gaia#Gideon nav#harrow the ninth my beloved
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Oh btw blossoms by the amazing devil is going to be The alecto the ninth song trust me
#tlt#the amazing devil#gideon the ninth#harrow the ninth#nona the ninth#alexto the ninth#as i make myself acquainted with the saint of never getting it right#and i say to my saint oh we were gonna get on#also#im so sorry ive done it again#mop up what is left of my lungs and i climb up the ladder had i taken more care i would have seen all the rot in the rungs#this entire song is going to be griddlehark in alecto the ninth i just know it#it has the Vibes
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gideon knew nona was alecto from the start right??? was part of her shock after the kiss seeing her own eyes in harrow’s face???? gideon was standing right there when mercy said “Your child... Alecto’s eyes” so she knows all that like she HAD to have figured out nona immediately. ALSO did harrow not realize alecto had gideon’s eyes in the epilogue??? or during the sixth months where she was in hell or wherever did she piece together what she was already starting to subconsciously realize (according to tazmuir - i forget which interview though) re: the AUs hinting at gideon’s parentage because do you really think a harrow who was unaware that gideon is the daughter of god would not absolutely freeze up and/or faint at THE BODY IN THE TOMB having GIDEON’S eyes????
#i know gideon says who is 'this literal goddamn infant' but i think she knew and she was just seeing if any of them realized maybe idk#she would hate whoever was in harrow's body but she would especially hate them if they were harrow's bullshit dead girlfriend#who she saw coming towards her in the river so i think she had an idea of who took over harrow's body#also in htn harrow says the body's eyes were black like her own in her youth and only became yellow post-lyctorhood#so she would not have known alecto and gideon actually shared eyes#im sure after she remembered eating gideon she would have thought that's why the body's eyes changed#and like once again. a lot was going on. but you think that would have been the FIRST thing my girl noticed like she had a full conversation#what happened to harrow!!!! where was she all that time!!!!! i cant wait to know#htn spoilers#harrow the ninth spoilers#ntn spoilers#nona spoilers#nona the ninth spoilers#nona the ninth#ntn#tlt#the locked tomb#analysis#tlt spoilers#the locked tomb spoilers
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I'd never had one in particular until a few years ago. Now it's definitely the one from The Locked Tomb series ❤️
i’m curious which river is “the river” for you guys? for me it’s the rhine
#if you know you know#the locked tomb#gideon the ninth#harrow the ninth#nona the ninth#alecto the ninth#this series has incredible audiobooks too#like i read each book and then go back and listen to them#moira quirk#she's what got me into audiobooks as an adult and i am forever grateful
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So I just finished Harrow the Ninth!!!
what the fuck
#Obvious htn spoilers below this but#There was SO MUCH going on at the end#What do you MEAN all of that happened#Also I agree with harrow Alecto sounds hot#Now I wanna draw John and alecto#So hyped for the tomb to be opened you guys#Also my girls better not be dead.#I already ended one book with Gideon dying#I’m not doing it again#Ianthe better be alive too(the phrasing was unclear)
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Self explanatory
#locked tomb#not to be dramatic but if i don’t find someone irl to talk about these books with before alecto comes out#i am going to fucking scream#my mom has read gideon and liked it but she didn’t really understand what was going on. which is fine#honestly i really appreciate that she tried and i love that camilla is her favourite character#maybe i should get back on tinder lol. the person who basically got me to read these books was this girl i went on 2 dates with#i was like ‘honestly i own the ebook copy and i opened it but then i got intimidated by the dramatis personae list and closed it’#and she was like ‘you’ll literally be fine’ and she was so right. i wish i could tell her#sidenote but i haaate when you meet someone who you should’ve become friends with but because it was on a dating app you feel the need to go#on dates and then when there’s no chemistry you just go your separate ways. there was no chemistry because we were supposed to be friends!!!#i wish i’d read it while we were still talking lol instead of like 2 months later#i just honestly need someone to scream with when alecto comes out. and i need someone to figure out my reread order with#so i’ve read gideon thrice; harrow twice & nona once. so it’s like. i could reread nona then harrow then nona again#and then when we get a release date for alecto i can read all three again the week before#that seems like the sanest way of doing it. but am i INTERESTED in the sane way 🧐#personal
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idk if ive ever mentioned that my primary obligatory ‘throw my ocs into the series i currently like’ scribbleplot involves keres being at canaan house and jj only showing up onscreen in ntn (barring maybe a cameo in ayu), and their presence, identites, and abilities not being explained until the very end of ntn or after.
crucially, keres has had a supremely high-level ‘shroud against undead’ effect up the whole time, so nobody falling under that unbrella, including anybody who has so much as touched the river, is able to perceive their existence or the direct results of their actions. the only people at canaan house not subject to this full-on stranger effect are the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and magnus.
#going by the logic that spirit magic may sometimes involve a degree of interaction with the river thus excluding abigail#silas and colum excluded for siphoning. gideon and harrow for being/having been possessed by wake and alecto respectively even if we#discount whatever causes gideons superpowers and however the child sacrifice affects harrow's standing there#i assume that 'interested in the river and liminal stuff and what lies beyond' ianthe has done something that excluded herself and very#possibly has gotten coronabeth and naberius involved at least once. hell i think shes probably siphoned babs in the past just to see how it#works. would not do that to corona but would interrogate him about his experience of it. what did he see in hell. etc.#anyway someone tries to mention/ask about keres to the canaan house priests who are just like 'who? ah playing a game are we?#' bc i completely believe they would think it was either cytherea was messing with people or the sixth#being sneaky (bc the descriptions of pal&cam do sound like there would be at least a loose resemblance to keres' usual form) and like.#completely not care bc they didnt say anything about recognizing cytherea so i dont think whatever keres is up to is a gamebreak condition#for the canaan house soul collective yknow? keres is getting blood samples from everyone btw. its what they do. they are showing up to#the dinner party where abigail has included an extra spot for this mystery guest that magnus and the teens tell her is around. etc
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So I know that the Nona the Ninth epilogue is a bit confusing with regards to who is speaking and doing things, made moreso by the fact that those who listened to the audiobook have heard the way Moira Quirk ended up taking her best guess at who was talking.
Because I wanted to nail down exactly who I thought was talking when I decided to go through and highlight who I believe is talking/being addressed in the Epilogue and I figured some other folks on here might find it useful!
This is my best guess, though there are a few that are more ambiguous which I try to justify as such:
I believe that it is Ianthe who ties to kill Alecto and has a back and forth with Harrow(referred to in the text as both Second Child and Black-Eyed Infant), because Harrow directly addresses the person attacking Alecto(referred to in the text as The First Child) as "Tridentarius".
For "Then Perish" I think it could be Gideon, as Gideon is the most likely person to be spouting memes and also because the person saying it is addressed as "The Other Child" rather than "The First Child" or "The Second Child", but that could simply be a method of breaking up the repetition of the exchange rather than indicating that a new person was talking which would make it Harrow who was speaking.
Finally, I think it was most likely Pyrrha who was calling "Alecto, Alecto" from the shore as Alecto addresses Pyrrha immediately after she fully wakes and remembers who she is, but it doesn't have anything concrete to prove it beyond this.
Anyway, that's my take on the general order of who said what during the epilogue for Nona, I hope this helps some folks clear up any confusion!
#the locked tomb#Nona the Ninth#Gideon Nav#harrowhark nonagesimus#ianthe tridentarius#Alecto#Alecto the Ninth#Pyrrha Dve#Locked Tomb#nona the ninth spoilers#analysis#tlt#locked tomb spoilers
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