#Viltrumites

[gl1tchr]

fuck the empire we do it for the love of the game

[smoosie]

The 'We need to talk' scene

but I've made it into a wet cat short comic

(and it only gets worse for him...)

Bonus secret 5th panel :

(intrusive thoughts so strong they make his brain crash)

[magnoliarabbit]

(Comic spoilers I guess….?) If Viltrumite sperm is potent enough to eat through condoms, then it makes no sense that Mark doesn’t have any siblings with how sexually active Debbie and Nolan were. Therefore Debbie canonically pegged Nolan for ~20 years.

[miz-orque]

It's probably just me, but-

[cheemscakecat]

Invincible Spoilers [Viltrumite Thoughts]

When the big purge happened, the most peaceful and well adjusted Viltrumites died because they were deemed “weak”. We know this, the culture died and was replaced with the current regime and ideology. The best parents would have died too, the ones who would never think to kill their kids for being weak.

But the remaining Viltrumites would have still varied in how committed to the cause they were, even if they kept it secret. There would have been couples that really were in love, in private or no. Men and women who managed to crack each other’s hard exteriors and win the soft heart hidden inside.

For all the awful things that twisted love in the empire, the real thing never truly died. Children were still being born to parents that would do everything they could to prove they were strong enough to live. Couples still sacrificed their time for each other and for family. They were people, people vary in how warm they are and how much their career means to them.

The plague is what took out the romantics and the ones who desired children.

It killed the type of people who chose to get to know each other after training, slowly falling in love.

It killed the type who had “lesser” jobs and therefore more free time to enjoy another’s company and raise children.

It killed the generals and soldiers whose children and grandchildren loved their stories about other worlds.

It killed the ones that were getting by in a regime they didn’t fully agree with, but had to live in.

The 50 who survived were the strongest and most loyal to the regime. Thragg being the most deluded of them all and the face of their twisted beliefs.

It left individuals who would never have considered romance or parenthood. The ones who believed that there would always be someone having children

Some, like Anissa, didn’t want anything to do with opening up to somebody or “wasting time” on a child that may be weak. Or like Conquest, whose true love was violence, and only violence.

Others were overachievers that saw romance as a distraction from their training and missions.

I can easily see Nolan after hours in the training room, scoffing to himself at a couple who is spending time on “nothing”. He’s more concerned with the “important things”. Until Debbie corrected him at the baseball game, he hadn’t considered recreation as anything more than a distraction.

[Man was pouting over having to watch little league]

Maybe he never would have taken up writing, if not for the need to keep track of his old missions inconspicuously. Maybe book one started with a short draft that read like a brief report. I picture him begrudgingly going to a human library and checking out books on astronauts. Having to replay finer details of the mission in his head and change them to sound more human. Maybe that’s how he figured out he liked writing.

Kregg and Luthan probably never thought about romance and parenthood until it became their mission. Maybe they had never stopped to think that they might like it. And I doubt they’re the only ones.

If you’ve ever held someone else’s baby and felt scared you’d drop it, you wouldn’t be alone. But humans are pretty good at moving past that fear. We learn how to be gentle from our youth. We know how to handle an infant without hurting it.

Imagine being someone who never thought about having a child, from a world where it’s considered a waste of time with your long lifespan. And then you have to have a baby, because your people are dying off. You were never taught how to be gentle, you were never taught how to care for a baby. But now you must.

I think Nolan was the first to feel a deep, paranoid fear of crushing his child. If a baby Viltrumite is weak, and a human adult is like an ant, how weak must the half-human baby be? Man probably thought he could breathe on Mark wrong and he’d explode.

And then when the others had their kids, they felt the same way. [Except Thragg. He built different.] For the men, this was the easiest to deal with. Nolan, Kregg and Luthan could all leave their children with their wives. It’s normal for the baby to spend its early days close to mom. It gave them time to have breaks from the newfound fear and to get used to handling the baby despite it.

Thula had to handle the baby so much more, but she had a human husband to give her a break when she needed it. When the fear of accidentally crushing the baby got too loud to ignore.

I think the reason Anissa sought out a human husband after everything she did was because she couldn’t handle the baby on her own. Perhaps she thought it was because the babies were part human that all her peers were disgustingly shaken.

But that wasn’t it at all. They all would have still been petrified of hurting the babies even if they were full blooded. They were all petrified because they were responsible for fulfilling a mission none of them were prepared for. One where failure could mean extinction. For the first time in a long time, every new life was valuable in their eyes and the eyes of their regime.

It hadn’t felt so important to these people in particular when the empire flourished. They had never considered the love and sacrifices and fear of failure that “weaker” Viltrumites felt when they raised their kids in the heyday. They sacrificed their time for the cause and didn’t leave room for relationships. None of them knew how much their lives were about to change.

Family became a priority for them when it never was before.

Average child shenanigans surprised them because they never got to experience normal childhoods.

They had to learn how to respond to child’s play.

And how to give advice/discipline a child. It made them think differently over time.

[jamesrb4th]

Honestly I think Mark’s best bet was to tell Conquest that he missed, like, a dozen other versions of himself WAY more into fighting and murdering than he is, and then Conquest would just get really depressed

[lavenderr-starrs]

Viltrumites— Toxic masculinity

Kryptonians— Healthy masculinity

[gl1tchr]

I sortant disagree with your whole "Nolan exerting power over women" yeah he called his wife a pet but at the same time you can see in the show that he really does care for her, when he was in jail he was experiencing new feelings like, longing for Debbie, missing his son, willingly ending his life for what he's done both byba black hole and the Viltrum prison, not because of "toxic masculinity" but because a Viltrumite never needed to feel for his family, they just need and prepare them for combat to conquer other worlds, Nolans time on earth turned him human, if the whole thing was really about toxic masculinity female Viltrumite like Anessa and that knife hair women wouldn't even be mart of the empire, or at least be used a breeding mare rather than soldiers, the Conquest thing also kind of bothers me because the reason he's isolated isn't because "Viltrumite don't like all this violence and bloodshed" it's because he's nuts, they care about expanding their empire, Nolan only cared about expanding their empire albihit via violent bloodshed but he never showed any joy for it, if anything he was trying to make a point to Mark, Conquest is only fighting because he loves bloodshed more than conquering, he says it himself that he "enjoys feeling the warmth of his fists drenched in blood" he encouragés Mark to keep fighting despite him being at his limit, he called slowly pulling Oliver apart "amazing" he's a sadists and does not represent the empires core values

I think you're a bit misguided about how deliberate misogyny has to be! Patriarchal societies can exist with women in them without necessarily turning those women into *slaves*, America is plenty misogynistic and patriarchal and women do still have agency, they're just held to a worse standard that makes it harder for women to reach the same ceiling as men. Nolan may love his wife, but at least until (narratively) recently, he did see his wife as a lesser being who wasn't as important as him. He DOES change and grow and we love that for him, but at one point, he truly thought these things. It's representative of how men uphold patriarchy in their interpersonal lives both with and without intention.

The Conquest point, I think I could've phrased it better! It's not so much they're put off by his desire for violence, but the fact he has a desire at all. That's extremely taboo in fascist societies, you cannot express any desire for personal gain, you must be solely dedicated to the Empire and for Conquest to take joy in something that isn't just Quiet Servitude is too much agency and individualism for a fascist society.

I think an important anecdote to bring up is when Thragg is chewing out Kregg, Lucan, and Anissa, Anissa POINTS OUT that "breeding" for her is a VERY different task for her as a female and Thragg says he doesn't care, he expects her to be as proactive as the men despite pregnancy literally being several times as long of a process as getting someone pregnant. Female Viltrumites are expected to put a LOT more on the line and are just as required to do so as their male counterparts, and that essentially *is* being a broodmare.

[eatentrout]

Debated on posting this here

[magnoliarabbit]

Despite Conquest being the perfect Viltrumite, he’s unhappy in his own culture. His own people discard him even though he should be celebrated for being the best at encapsulating what they stand for. He’s strong, and ruthless. Shows no emotions except to the people that he knows won’t live to tell anyone about it.

Not even the Viltrumites love their hatred-fueled culture. They don’t enjoy fighting and conquering as much as they claim.

That’s why Nolan switches sides. He was one of their best. He abandoned his missions when he realized how much he loved Debbie and Mark. And how much their humanity and their love changed him in turn. He doesn’t value the same beliefs anymore.

(Comic Spoilers for this part, skip to the X if you don’t want to be spoiled on Viltrum lore: The fact that they strive towards up-keeping a societal expectation of being ruthless and only valuing physical strength was their downfall too. They don’t value compassion nor scholars, which resulted in so many Viltrumites being killed when that illness infected them. They pride themselves for being so advanced too when they would’ve been able to cure themselves if that really was the case. But medical experts don’t fit into their belief system. If they lose a fight, if they die, then that’s their fault. Then they’re too weak.)

X

Their toxic man-eat-man world mentality is what hurts their people the most.

Just like irl men are hurting their communities by perpetuating toxic masculinity and hurting their women or by not calling out other men for harmful behavior, for being aggressive instead of protecting and nurturing a positive environment and keeping their communities safe. Masculinity can be a good thing, but Viltrumites encapsulate every negative aspect of it.

Side note: it’s ironic that Mark wants to protect others because of looking up to Nolan when his culture is fundamentally against helping others. And that Nolan knew how wrong that part of Viltrum was all along; although subconsciously. That’s why he lies about helping earth. He knows conquering it is wrong somewhere deep down.

[marigold0ne]

Ursaal the Explorer

[miz-orque]

Can we have an episode of these two and the other Viltrumites on earth going bowling.

And a beach episode of them playing volleyball.

[mortuary-collective]

Ok hi!!! I'm the anon from before and thanks for answering my question about your oc <3 Sorry if I'm spamming you or something hahaha.

What is Vidors and Francis' relationship (and his relation with the others Like Kregg) like? also what are your hcs for Vidor ( I hate how unexplored the viltrumites are in this fandom, especially considering they're the main antagonists).

DW YOURE NOT SPAMMING I LOOOVEEE . Love love love getting asks ESP ABOUT MY OCS? HELLOOO???

I dont have many unique headcanons for the viltrumites unfortunately ,, but I can explain how Francis interacts/feels about them all!!!!!!

Thula: Despite how often they get into fights and Almost Kill Each Other, Francis doesn't view Thula as a primary threat and thus doesn't bother much with her. He's faster and more agile than she is, and he's got a lot of wit and stupid comments that push him into a "he wont start a revolution, hes not smart enough" viewpoint for her and a lot of other Viltrumites. Most of his time is spent bugging her until she goes for a hit.

Vidor: Because Francis fled Viltrum so young, he didn't get enough time to fully form an idea of Vidor as a child. He based his imaginary interpretation off his ideal image of a father figure and for a long while after he initially arrived on Earth he could only fall asleep if he tried to imagine that version of him comforting him.

Kregg: He views him as more of a threat than Thula, but not to the point where he believes he needs to be executed or killed. He could probably win in a fight against him if he really needed to, but for the moment he just chooses to make fun of him until it backfires.

Thragg: There's a lot of fear between Francis and Thragg. Mostly on Francis's end, but there's always a tinge of anxious doubt in Thragg that Francis's revolution will become more powerful than him and that he will take over the empire. Francis views Thragg in the same way that mice view predators.

Nolan: He doesn't particularly enjoy him, but he knows that for their revolution to be successful, he needs to have all possible hands on deck and that includes Nolan. Francis hates that he does it, but sometimes he starts to view Nolan as more weapon than human.

An*ssa: He killed her in this AU when he figured out what she did. He doesn't have an ounce of regret and he made sure it hurt.

[rezonan]

The Plane Problem

Oh no! The plane is going to crash! We need Generic-Superman-clone-man to help us!

Now you're probably thinking, of course, Generic-Superman-clone-man can just simply lift the plane and drop it on the floor. Just like who he's an expy of!

But here's The Plane Problem.

Superman has a quirk of his power that he can lift an object by almost any point and it retains its structural stability. A kind of Tactile telekinesis forcefield around his body he can extend to his body that makes things he holds stronger so they don't break from his strength because super strength means nothing when you're so strong you break anything you try and lift. It also let's him make an anchoring point on the ground that let's him pull a Hancock and let a train crash into him. Because see, no matter how strong and durable you are, if something is moving and it's packs enough force to move your weight, You Will Move. But since Superman can create his own anchoring point on the floor he's cool.

Not only that it also helps avoid another problem with lifting things since the ground needs to be just as stable to carry the weight of what you are lifting. Otherwise you'll end up like pure Bulk here.

This let's Superman kinda break Physics when it comes to how he uses his powers. In Man Of Steel Vol4 #1 Clark explicitly states that things get easier to lift when he's flying. This is because his flight which seems to also be some form of gravity manipulation or Telekinesis let's him create his own leverage to let him lift things easier so he doesn't get the Bulk problem above.

In Superman Returns you can see this version of the character explicitly doesn't have this ability or at least in my opinion has a weak version of this power, He starts to push on one wing to stabilize the aircraft but it tears away. He then has to kinda glide it downwards from the nose, which kinda shouldn't work exactly as shown but is close enough, he probably has a less powerful version of this ability. Other characters like the Viltrumites from Invincible have the explicit ability to 'create their own leverage'.

The best example of the use of this lack of leverage certain expies of the character have is Homelander from The Boys.

In this scene Homelander explicitly says 'You want me to lift the plane, there's nothing to stand on, what do you want me to use air?' or at least something like that.

He's right, since all he has is flight and super strength as in super strength not supes TK. If he tried to lift the plane like he did in the Superman gif above, he would quite literally punch a hole right through the plane and just make it crash faster. Wanna clarify tho, I'm not defending him. There are other ways he could have done this if he was actually competent.

He could have called over the Deep and A train with him, you know actually leading his team. Then try and someone glide the plane into the water by angling it just right from the landing gear, he would probably have to laser the engine out or turn it off some other way. Then once he brings it to the land safely on the water. Then have Deep use his water buddies and A-train run on water to safely get them to land. I wanna clarify it wouldn't exactly be a 100 percent success, people could still die and he could have failed but what makes him evil is that he didn't even try. But yeah that's besides the point of this post

So basically Unless you have certain required secondary abilities to your main powers, you wouldn't be able to do most of the things you see superheroes pulling in stories. That's why things like Superman's forcefield, Iron Man's inertia dampener fields or the Speed Force exists.

[crismakesstuff]

if it were me i would sit all the viltrumites down and make them watch “history of the world, i guess”

just to make them all the more confused about earth

[tlouglazer]

i’m gooning