#Treimisia

[rjalker]

Pro tip: if you don't want trans people reclaiming the slurs you literally made up, or stole from fucking 4channers to misgender and oppress them, simply do not fucking call people brand new slurs invented specifically to denigrate them! It's literally not difficult! You don't get to fucking call people slurs invented just for them and then get mad when they reclaim them!

When will truscum and TIRFs learn to stop being bigots.

[ID: A Three panel MS Paint comic, titled, "Reclaiming slurs: 'theyfab'", dated "September 9th 2023". Panel 1 shows a group of three grey figures grinning with evil eyebrows, labled, "bigoted trans people and their transmisic cis friends". They are all shouting together: "Hahaha!! Theyfab!!! You're a pathetic theyfab!!! Just a pathetic woman pretending to be trans for attention!! Theyfab!!! Theyfab!! You think you're oppressed for having a p***y!!! Theyfab!!!" The person they are pointing and laughing at has sad eyebrows and a small frown, and is labeled, "a trans man or nonbinary person who wants equal rights, probably doesn't even use they/them pronouns". The second panel shows the victim throwing their hands into the air, shouting back, "Okay, yeah, I'm a theyfab, and I'm proud to be trans! You got a fucking problem with that?" while the crows of bigots stares in silence. The third panel shows the bigots now colored red, throwing their arms into the air and screaming in all caps: "You disgusting transmisogynist special snowflake!! You can't reclaim the slur we made up to call you!!!!! We're the only ones allowed to call you slurs!!! Stop reclaiming the slurs we call you you fucking faker!!!! You're supposed to cry about it not reclam the slur we literally invented for you!!!! Special snowflake!!! Transmisogynist!! Why aren't you crying?!? Stop being proud of being trans!!!!! You make the real trans people look bad!!!!" The victim mutters, with one hand on their hip and eyebrow raised, "Oh, you're not even being subtle anymore, are you?" Large text at the bottom of the comic reads: "Pro tip if you want to have morals: If you don't want trans people reclaiming slurs used against them, simply do not invent brand new fucking transmisic, exorsexist slurs. It's literally not difficult." End ID.]

Another pro tip: if the people who call you the slur get enraged by you reclaiming it, that means reclaiming it is working. Keep up the good fucking work.

[rjalker]

In the replies, but so everyone can see:

(this will just keep being edited for updats)

Goldmoose

Hi. We're saying that structures of misogyny and trans misogyny give trans men privilege over trans women. Androphobia implies the existence of misandry. Also the creation of the term was a reaction against the use of transmisogny. Other words like anti-transmasculinity show the oppression those who are trans and masc (this included tfem and tmasc butches) without implying the existence of a system wherein men are punished for having more power

rjalker

trans men do not experiences any systemic privileges over trans women because trans men are not cis men.

goldmoose

Where's your basis of intersectionality? Do you believe a disabled man does not have privilege 9f a disabled woman? Why is transness the only subject you do not wish to believe in heirchical social groups for? You're literally sating a man. Someone who has lived as a man in male spaces with access to patriarchal privilege due to how he is perceived does not receive this patriarchal power. explain to me how this statement in incorrect under an intersectional lens

rjalker

do you understand that trans men are subject to the same level of systemic medical misogyny as women? Do you think a trans man can walk up to an abortion clinic that's underthreat of firebomb and walk right in because he's a man?

if you literally cannot even remember the basic fact that misogyny is a system of oppression and not just interpersonal interactions then maybe you should try to remember that before arguing that trans men have systemic privilege over women. That's not how this works.

goldmoose

the fact is he has the ability to go to an abortion clinic. The fact is if he chooses to claim woman hood society will still accept him as one. A trans woman gets no access to either space.

further more you have just described misogyny. A firebox threat to a clinic is misogyny. Because that's what they're against. The perceived birth sex. Because its a patriarchal society

rjalker

so you believe that misogyny exists but you believe that being seen as a woman in a misogynistic society is a privilage.

and the fact that you think trans men can just walk up to an abortion clinic and be accepted as women and get an abortion with no problem just proves you've never fucking thought about reality at all. Trans men are regularly denied necessary medical care because they don't look like women or have had their ID marked with M instead of F.

transandromisia describes the intersection of transmisia and misogyny when targeted at trans men and transmasculine people. Which you would know if you would actually listen to anyone who talks about this instead of immediately hating them.

Goldmoose

all men have privilege over women! And all people have privilege over trans women! Even cis women! Cus they're trans! And even trans men cus they're men! Crazy stuff

rjalker

you just keep repeating that but it doesn't make it true. You've just been given real facts about reality and since you can't actually counter them you have nothing to do but repeat lies.

goldmoose

then show me the truth. Show me where that trans men don't you have provided no evidence.

rjalker

"Show me where that trans men don't you have provided no evidence." is not a rational sentence can you try again.

goldmoose

ok lemme be clear then. Transmisogyny is a specific oppression. Because of misogyny (an oppression) and transphobia intersecting. Where is the intersection between oppression that trans men face that is exclusive to them

rjalker

you keep focusing on the word "exclusive" because you don't actually want to understand intersectionality. Transandromisia is the intersection of transmisia and misogyny when targeting trans men and transmasculine people. Just because you want to pretend that being trans is magically a privilege when it comes to trans men and transmasculine people doesn't make it true.

goldmoose

define transmisia

rjalker

@goldmoose nope. you are the one claiming that transandromisia doesn't exist. Or are you now going to argue that trans men and transmasculine people don't suffer from transmisia at all? Is that what you're going with now?

goldmoose

it's not that transness is a privilege. Its not transness that's the privilege. Its being able to associate with either cis female spaces or male spaces

rjalker

yeah you've got literally no clue what you're talking about if you think trans men are systemically welcomed into both male and female spaces. Can you try actually providing any actual facts or are you just going to keep making things up that are contrary to reality?

goldmoose

I dont even know what that term is its never used in any of the works of gender studies and the definition has changed often in online spaces. I'm asking you politely to tell.me

rjalker

transmisia = transphobia but without the -phobia suffix because actual people with anxiety disorders don't like being demonized.

goldmoose

lol no one said all trans men are accepted. Stop strawmnaning my shit answer my questions or just stop replying what are you 16?

rjalker

so you're gonna pretend you didn't just say this less than two minutes ago? "Its being able to associate with either cis female spaces or male spaces"

So let's see. This person has given absolutely no evidence, just keeps repeating completely contradictory statements, doesn't actually want to admit trans men and transmasculine people experience transmisia at all, and is trying to insult me with my age instead of actually providing any evidence for her claims.

It's almost like this person is just repeating basic lies and has never listened to a single person talking about transandromisia at all. Trans people who look like men have been getting denied necessary health care for decades. We have records of this.

goldmoose

so they can associate with cis male spaces. Huh. Sounds like a privilege to me.

rjalker

you want to explain how that's a privilege and how it applies to all trans men? Because that's what the word "systemic" mean.

goldmoose

sure! Because trans women don't get access to either male or female spaces!

rjalker

where is your proof that all trans men get always access to both male and female spaces and that all trans women are always denied all female and male spaces? Because both of those statements are simply untrue.

so are you going to aknowledge the fact that trans men and transmasculine people are regularly denied necessary healthcare including abortions because they look too much like men or are you just gonna keep ignoring that because it doesn't fit your narrative that trans men are systemically privileged over women.

trans men have literally died from ovarian cancer because gynecologists refused to even see them because they were trans men. Are you going to ignore this because it doesn't fit into your narrative or are you going to update your worldview to accept the fact that being trans subjects you to oppression that even cis women don't face?

And what about trans men and transmasculine people who don't pass? Who are in the closet? Who are seen by everyone around them as women? Are you going to pretend they've got this magical male privilege too, or are you gonna pretend them being seen as women in a misogynistic society is a privilege? What about trans men who are out, but are surrounded by transmisics who still see and treat them as women? You gonna pretend they're somehow privileged?

goldmoose

being seen as a woman in a misogynistic society is better than being seen as a trans woman yes.

again. Trans women have also died from medical transphobia

rjalker

why do you keep pretending that trans men and transmasculine people can only aknowledge their oppression when it's oppression that is magically impossibly exlusive to them alone. That's not how this works and you know it. You're just nitpicking because you don't have any actual counterarguments.

goldmoose

once again transphobia is bad. But that's not the conversation. You can be oppressed by patriarchal society and still oppression others. What do you think pro birth cis women are doing?

rjalker

are you going to answer the question of how exactly you think nonpassing trans men have systemic male privilege over all women?

are you going to aknowledge the fact that cis women are privileged over trans men?

it's been 11 mins and no response to the last section yet.

goldmoose

not over all women! Just trans women!

rjalker

"all men have privilege over women! And all people have privilege over trans women! Even cis women! Cus they're trans! And even trans men cus they're men! Crazy stuff" are you aware we can all see the comments you've already left?

goldmoose

in spaces where transphobia is weaponised yes cis women do have privilege. Over trans men and women. And trans men have privilege over trans women in trans spaces hope this helps xx💕💖

rjalker

are you going to explain how it's a privilege to be constantly told that you're not oppressed and don't need a term to name your oppression?

goldmoose

yup all men do have privilege over women! That's patriarchy baby. Anyone can weaponise it!

rjalker

"not over all women! Just trans women!" are you even trying to be consistant

goldmoose

oh OK sure. That's a non answer as that isn't an oppression being put against you by transfems. Cus that's not systemic. Hope this helps! If we're gunna start slinging ahit I could start talking about the misogyny you're perpetuating rn but idk bb you don't seem ready 💅💅💅 yeah! In some spaces where a trans man passes. They're gunna have male privilege over all women. If that trans man doesn't than he still has privilege over trans women. Hope this helps.

rjalker

explain how it's a privilege for trans men and transmasculine people to constantly be told they aren't oppressed and are not allowed to have a word to describe their oppression.

goldmoose

you are oppressed! Just not by trans women. Hope this helps! But you can oppress trans women. Cus of transmisogyny. Also antitransmasculinity is a observed term that has been used decades. Hope this helps

rjalker

very funny that you assume I'm a trans man or transmasculine because I care about other people. No one said that trans women systemically oppress trans men on this post lol. Do you think the word "transandromisia" is code for "trans women are evil opressors"?

thenixkat

Wild that goldmoose was marked green when she's just openly transphobic towards transmen.

goldmoose

bestie. The you was not directed anywhere! Hope this helps

@rjalker i think as a word it doesn't make sense because it's not an oppression based on masculinity or maleness because that doesn't exist outside of misogyny thansk

rjalker

@/ goldmoose okay well we've got a severe storm warning so I have to shut my computer down now, but you just go right ahead and keep being transmisic for everyone to see and contradicting yourself every 5 seconds because you know reality doesn't fit your narrative.

goldmoose

thats okay! I'm happy to be! Cus it doesn't exist! Thanks! but firreal keep safe x

rjalker

What a fantastic demonstration of the exact transandromisia this post is talking about, and all for free. Goldmoose couldn't even pretend to have any actual arguments based in fact, and contradicted herself every 5 posts before trying to insult my age because she didn't like the fact that she literally has no argument besides "men bad"

so yeah this bigot's not even pretending to have any actual arguments, and here at the end you can see she's just straight up saying she doesn't think transmisia exists lofl

orangefuckingjuice

goldmoose I don’t normally engage in discourse but respectfully I wanted to give my two cents to this and just say this isn’t fair or true. Trans men don’t get to just “claim womanhood” and I’m unsure how to even take that. If that means using women’s spaces, trans men are frequently excluded from such. Women’s shelters, doctors offices focused on reproductive care, support groups. Even queer spaces uncomfortable with the presence of men.

As for the women’s spaces that do, it’s so often with the price of stripping trans men of their manhood, humiliating and disrespecting them. Some can’t even get that. People can misgender a fairly androgynous trans man easily, but seeing a farther transitioned passing man is a fast pass to reject and being treated like a potential predator in the wait. A danger via your own existence as masculine, as male. One to be separated from cis women

And it’s a real problem trans men don’t have access to some “women’s support” because we still do suffer from the effects of misogyny. These are often the only places of support for that, and our exclusion leaves us isolated. And if any of that sounds familiar to experiences trans women and fems have just know it is. Our experiences are facets of the same structures of gendered oppression and patriarchy. There is very little exclusivity, just varying expressions and aspects.

goldmoose

yeah bb that's exactly what I'm saying tho. That if there is no exclusive intersectional oppression for trans men then the terms used are non-applicable

orangefuckingjuice

And if you mean trans men can just flip to being women when it’s convenient, that’s an unfair standard to have. It assumes a fairly medically transitioned trans man can just pass as female when he can’t. Also, this is like. Literally the same thing as boymoding. I don’t think it’s a privilege to misgender yourself and hide your trans status for your own safety. And it is definitely not something exclusively done by trans men or mascs.

goldmoose

again you may get stripped of your manhood to access women's spaces. You may have to go through the worst bioessentialism and transphobia there. But that is a space. Trans women as a function of transmisogyny have no access to any space.

orangefuckingjuice

Lastly, if this means that trans men could always just detransition and be cis women again, then that’s not even a conversation about trans men at all. That’s always holding us in a perception of “potential cis woman” which is demeaning and misgendering. A trans woman can detransition and be a man, but this should not factor into her status as a trans woman. Because she is not a man. She doesn’t have some inherent privilege that she could always stop being trans. Or else we all do

And even if a trans person does detransition for their own safety, you can’t be easily accepted back into it. Any sign of gender nonconformity is punished. You seem aware of butchphobia as a concept. I will say growing up masculine I was treated as inherently demeaning myself as ‘a girl/woman’ and treated like I was predatory. Bullies spread rumors I peeped at girls in locker rooms. There was so safe place to fall for me in the experience of womanhood. I was excluded then, and I am now.

Womanhood is only welcoming to trans men as so far as to be used as a bludgeon to strip them of their transness, deny them their autonomy, and impose control on their freedoms and bodies. There is an assumption of ownership over our bodies, that is not a kindness. And if we stray too far from ‘femaleness,’ beyond being easily detransitioned, we are treated as less than worthless. Mutilated. Ppl wanting to make us girls is not a privilege. It is violence.

Not saying that’s necessarily what you mean, but I want to clarify my own thoughts. And trans men don’t have easy access to male spaces. The same way the patriarchy treats feminine cis men, trans men’s existence as trans is inherently emasculating. Even passing trans men have to exist in a level of danger if their transness is discovered. Living as a passing trans man, which not all trans men can do, all male privilege, experienced from perception, is perilous. Because it can be revoked

There’s more I could say, but I think saying that trans men have access to both men’s and women’s spaces so easily is a fundamental misunderstanding of the experiences of trans men. Society does not view us as men, and female spaces only accept us on the condition of misgendering, and only if we appear feminine enough. Many of just can’t. I will never be enough of a woman, and I will never be enough of a man. Much of the world is very hostile to us, and even queer spaces can be exclusionary.

rjalker

Transmisogyny isn't even exclusive to trans women or transfeminine people so it's a very clear double standard that this person is demanding that trans men and trans masculine people can only talk about and name their experiences if it's 1000% exclusive to trans men and transmasculine people at all times. Which literally no one is even claiming. It just bad faith all the way down. Which you can see in the constant infantilizing insults.

"No one is saying trans men aren't oppressed" then what ARE you saying? Because every post of seen by someone who genuinely believes that "transandrophobia truthers" are transmisogynistic has been invalidating what trans men deal with, refusing to allow us the space to come up with terms for our experience, and vehemently opposing us using terms like transmisogyny. Every single person has been belittling, gaslighting, excluding, and/or dismissive of the discrimination trans men deal with.

If I'm wrong and transandrophobia ISN'T discrimination against trans men, if the term is actually transmisogynistic in origin, then tell me! Explain it to me! If I'm wrong, I want to learn more!

If I'm wrong, tell me why.

[eldorr]

Cosmicqueer

With symbol (left), Without symbol (right)

Cosmicqueer is a Queer Stance where one is highly opinionated, aka me. Similar to Critinclus and other such terms. I just wanted a term for my beliefs because I saw some stuff that REALLY annoyed me the other night so here we are.

Cosmisqueer is PRO:

Non-traumagenic systems (aka systems of any kind)

Any "contradictory" or complicated queer identity (within reason, such as Turigirls and Lesboys, Cis Nonbinary Woman/Men, Gaybians, Tulipians, AMAB Transmascs, AFAB Transfems, etc.)

Split Attraction Model, such as Mspec Gay, Mspec Lesbian, Alloaro, Alloace, Alloallo Apl, etc. (Essentially inclusive of any non-rose attraction terms such as Alterous, Queerplatonic, Exteramo, Familial, etc., provided one's form of attraction with those is non-normative.)

Aldernic and Altersex

Terms to describe complicated forms of oppression, such as Exorsexism, Treimisia, and Transandromisia. Cosmisqueer also stands to uplift discussions on general transmisia, transmisogyny, homomisia, amisia, etc. (I personally prefer to use the suffix of misia over phobia.)

Neurodivergent, Race, Nonhuman, etc. exclusive genders/orientations/terms

Nonhumans, Otherkin, Alterhumans, etc.

Reclamation of slurs

Informed Self diagnosis

Kink

Objectum, Conceptum

Polyamory, Non-partnering, any non monoamory identity.

Any non-normative being describing oneself as Queer. (Within reason, should only be done if it's an aspect that defines one's identity a decent amount imo.)

Comsicqueer does NOT support:

Radqueer or other similar queer stances

Safequeer

Transid/TransX (Diaracial, Transage, Transabled, etc.)

Pro-Contact or any not anti-contact stance for non-consensual paraphilias (The big 3, and others)

Terms related to the big 3, non-consensual paras, highly dubious concepts. (Minus MAD flags, depending on the nuance of the subject at hand.)

Pro-ship ideology, non-critical fiction stances.

Pro-Incest, Pro-S/H, Pro-ED.

Emojis I'd associate with Cosmicqueer are: ✨☄️🌈. (Sparkles, Comet, Rainbow.)

I already pretty much ID with a couple queer stances, I just wanted a stance where one's Queer, and feels the word Queer can apply to any non-normative identity relating to gender, orientation, presentation, etc. while feeling Queer is inherently connected to the kink community, and can apply to nonhumans, plurals/systems, non-monoamorous beings, etc. as long as their internal identity affects their external expression in any shape and form, being visibly or socially "non-normative." (Within reason, hence the exclusion of actual harmful identities, actions, stances, etc.)

Essentially using the old definition of Queer to cover "strange" and "odd" identity, and blurring the boundaries between the old use of the word Queer, and the current use of it. Essentially I dislike people reducing Queer to just gender identity and sexual orientation, when Queer has always covered much more than that.

[3leafedclover]

i feel like biggest problem with the terms tme/tma is its trying SO HARD to put human experiences into neat little boxes based on identity and gender assigned at birth.

like im so sorry but theres cis men who are a bit too gnc by societys standards who are affected by transmisogyny. theres cis women who have high t, deep voices, are intersex, or are just too "masculine" for societys standards that are affected by transmisogyny. theres trans men and transmascs who are affected more by transmisogyny than treimisia/transandrophobia due to factors like presentation, hrt/srs, etc. like guys, theres afab people with penises and amab people with vaginas i dont think boiling human experiences down to a single word is something we should be relying on. theres so many cis and trans people alike, men and women alike, who experience transmisogyny. no one is automatically "exempt" from it based on identity.

we're all in this shitty boat together and if that upsets you then swim

[tucuteboything]

Anyways just putting this here not all transmascs are men, and not all transfems are women, likewise enbymisia and exorsexism exist, nor do i intend to be these things with discourse shit

It's just a lot of it boils down to the whole women = pure innocent creature and men = evil disgusting cretin bullshit radfems like to push around, which doesn't really have much wiggle room to talk about gender-diverse experiences when the directed target is hyperspecific.

(A lot of it boiling down to the idea transmasc = man, transfem = women in trans discourse, especially antimasculism and transandromisia discourse and activism. While trying to put a foot in the door just for even binary trans men to be able to talk about their unique experiences doesn't intentionally leave out non-men/multigender/genderqueer/nonbinary transmascs, it sorta just happens when to even have an arguement you have to use hyperspecific language.) I usually try to include discussions on treimisia in these posts, but a lot of it is geared towards transmasc men and not general transmasc due to the whole binarism of this debate.

I'm a nonbinary multitrans (Transmasculine/Transxenine/Transkenoine) dude, however talking with specific language helps prevent clutter and to solidify a specific issue against a specific targeted group, even if it affects others visibility unfortunately. (I honestly doubt these people would even see past AGAB and the whole TMA=AMAB, and TME=AFAB intersexist transmisic bullshit that sprouted up last year or so on Tumblr, considering these transmisics use phrases like "AFAB privilege" while referring to anyone but cisgender women)

[rjalker]

Decoupling pregnancy from femininity is to help people who can get pregnant who aren't women, like trans men, nonbinary people, and others. Inclusive language around pregnancy is to help pregnant people who /are not/ your trans sisters. Trans men exist, nonbinary people exist, genderqueer people exist.

Like, yes, support trans women, obviously, and don't pretend that their ability to get pregnant is what defines whether or not they're a woman, but discussions about trans rights in regards to pregnancy is not about your trans sisters, it's about trans men, nonbinary people, and genderqueer people who can get pregnant.

Please do support your trans sisters, and support your trans brothers and trans siblings as well.

Trans women are not demanding that discussions of pregnancy be made gender neutral to include them. They'd already be included by the word "woman". Discussions about pregnancy and related topics need to be gender neutral to include trans men, nonbinary people, and genderqueer people. Please do not fucking forget we exist it's getting a little ridiculous. Trans women are not demanding to be included in discussions about pregnancy. Trans men nonbinary, and genderqueer people who can get pregnant are, because we need to be part of the conversation.

Edit: yeah block the OP. In another reblog she's telling a trans man to stop making everything about men. When the conversation is about gender neutral language in conversations around pregnancy, which is only a conversation BECAUSE OF TRANS MEN AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN GET PREGNANT WHO AREN'T WOMEN.

Fucking cis women cannot fucking stand not being the center of the conversation for five fucking seconds. Supporting trans women does not mean you're not a fucking transmisic jackass. If you tell trans men they're being misogynists for fucking demanding equal rights, you can go fuck yourself.

Text: decoupling pregnancy from femininity means accurate and more inclusive language and treatment, but it also allows cis women to refuse motherhood without refusing womanhood, which is great for feminism and terrifying for misogyny.

–THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS. As a sterile cis woman who doesn’t want to have children anyway I feel this is every ounce of my being. “Define woman” types tend to do so in a way that excludes me too, so I got to stand with my trans sisters.

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

Oh yeah another thing. You're not really pro-abortion if you exclude trans men, nonbinary individuals, intersex folks, etc from your activism. If you think this ruling *only* affects cis women, you are not welcome here. This account is not and will never be a safe space for TERFs. Roe vs Wade affects *EVERYONE* who can get pregnant (Cis women, trans men, nonbinary individuals, intersex individuals, etc). You can come back to me when you learn that this affects many more groups. /srs /nbh

[rjalker]

(It's also important to note that this does not just happen to transmasculine people. Anyone who was/is seen as a girl/woman who wants to transition to be something else, or even just wants to have a different body even if it's not a transition into another gender, has to deal with this infantilization.

For many, the reason for this is that our bodies are viewed as property of society, rather than belonging to us. We're supposed to make babies and look sexy, so if we remove our breasts and baby-making parts, that means we're removing the only thing that made us valuable as far as society is concerned.)

((Wanting to remove breasts or go on testosterone or anything liket hat doesn't inherently make you transmasculine. Not having breasts or having high testosterone doesn't inherently make you masculine. Not everyone who wants these things is doing it to become masculine. Transmasculine does not equal "everyone who wants these things"))

whoever was the first person to make the observation that transphobia against transmascs is rooted in this kind of paternalistic misogyny whever everyone asks like they're just poor confused widdle girls who don't know how to make decisions for themselves was so SO right about that. like I'm not even transmasc but it's infuriating to see these posts every other day being like "do you realize that these medical procedures are IRREVERSIBLE?? If you get top surgery it will PERMANENTLY take away your breasts. If you go in testosterone it will PERMANENTLY change your body??" When the obvious fucking response to that from anyone who's even considered going through with any kind of masculinizing gender affirming care is

Like transmascs (teenagers and kids included) aren't fucking stupid. they're not too ignorant or impressionable to make decisions for themselves.

[queer-aquarium]

do you have a dni or a byf?

i prefer not to have a dni on this blog in particular; because of it's intention to be a resource! if you're asking because you're trying to scope out if i would fit under yours (/lh); generally i'm a radinclus :) not the transid definition but the original one! i tend to ignore most discourse; but i generally agree with any good-faith identity existing! mspec lesbians, lesboys, endogenic systems, the word transandromisia/treimisia existing, all good in my book :) shaun kenochoric just posted something i agree with related to this as i was typing this up so! i'll reblog that after i post this. hopefully this is helpful anon!

[rjalker]

Edit: to clarify, (since I wrote this while overheating from lack of AC during a heatwave):

If you require access to gynecological care or abortions, you by definition do not have access to male privilege, because having male privilege means you are not subject to systemic misogyny, including medical misogyny.

Radical feminists love to pretend that trans men magically gain male privilege the instant they begin identifying as men, because radical feminists don't give a single flying shit about how the world actually works. Misogyny exists. Transmisia exists. No one is going to give you a free pass to get an abortion just because you don't identify as a woman. No one's gonna give you free and accessible gynecological care just because you don't identify as a woman.

The people who are standing outside the abortion clinic threatening to shoot anyone who goes in aren't gonna apologize and wave you in because you tell them you're not actually a woman.

The fact is that being a trans man makes it even more difficult to access reproductive and gynecological care, especially if you don't "look" like a woman anymore.

Trans men and any other trans people who need access to abortions and gynecological care do not benefit from male privilege because male privilege inherently precludes the necessity for accessing """"women's healthcare"""""". People who actually have male privilege are never going to need to get an abortion. They're never going to need to go to the gynecologist. They're never going to be told that they're a horrible child murderer for having a miscarriage or an abortion.

If you could ever need to get an abortion, something that is literally illegal in many parts of the US, you by definition literally do not have male privilege. Because if your bodily autonomy is controlled and made illegal by the patriarchy you by definition don't have male privilege.

If your ""feminism"" can't even grasp the most basic realities of how systemic misogyny works in the real world outside the fantasy version in your head where gender identities work like Pokemon types and simply identifying as a man gives you access to all aspects of male privilege and removes all barriers put in place by misogyny that's been going on for hundreds of years, you're not a feminist, you're just a misogynist who's putting a progressive spin on it.

Trans people who are subject to systemic misogyny inherently, by definition, do not have male privilege.

If you literally refuse to acknowledge the systemic medical misogyny that exists in the real world in your campaign to demonize and shit on trans men, you just need to admit you're not actually a feminist. The right to an abortion is one of the most blatant issues that feminists have been fighting for for decades. And you people want to pretend it's magically not a form of oppression as soon as the victims are trans people who don't identify as women.

Stop ignoring the reality of systemic misogyny in your quest to hate trans men. You are literally not helping anyone except the misogynists who are taking away our rights in the first place.

If you're literally willing to argue that needing access to abortions, which can get you arrested or murdered or both, isn't an issue for feminism, you're just a fucking hateful misogynists like any other conservative.

original post which I thought was clearer than it actually is but is actually extremely unclear and confusing:

people who have male privilege don't need access to abortions or gynecological care. you'd think this would be obvious, and yet….

[gendiegremlin]

whats treimisia (if thats the correct word, dunno i saw it on ur dni)

discrimination specific to transmasc individuals. it has lots of other words to describe (transmisandrony, transandrophobia etc) but ae use treimisia

[tucuteboything]

since transmisics are so against the terms transmisandry/transandromisia/treimisia, how about we call them what they are, TMERFs (TransMasculine Exclusionary Radical Feminists) b/c they're literally just TERFS, except some of them are somehow trans and STILL perpetrate transmisia.

[rjalker]

no one is fucking putting themselves in life threatening danger by being out as trans and transitioning because they're a misogynist.

If you think trans men are putting their lives at risk to be who they are because they just hate women, you are horrible fucking person. You are not an ally to trans people. You're not a feminist. You're just a fucking bigot.

[rjalker]

Giving it its own post so more people can see it. I'm tired of being only one of two (2) fucking people that ever talk about this. Not that I want more people to subject themselves to this book.

If you really want to know where the insistance that trans men and nonbinary face no real or unique forms of transmisia and just need to sit down and shut the fuck up came from, it came from Julia Serano's book, Whipping Girl, published in 2007.

Her entire "theory" about trans women always being the most oppressed literally hinges on her straight up lying about trans men's experiences, even when it means she has to condradict herself every other fucking chapter on the most fundamental level.

She also insists that nonbinary people aren't real, because everyone's brain is hardwired either male or female, and if someone is claiming to be nonbinary, it's actually just that they want to feel superior to trans women in particular, because she thought she was nonbinary before she realized she was a trans woman, so now she's projecting her own issues onto all nonbinary people and claiming we don't exist and that we actually only call ourselves nonbinary....to shit on trans women.

And she argues that the only reason the white western gender binary is so prevalent around the world these days is because it's the only Natural and Real system of gender ever, otherwise it wouldn't be so far spread. Yes, this does literally require her to pretend that all of the genocides white people have committed never happened. Yes, she is explicitly stating that other culture's genders are fake.

She argues that trans men are privileged for always passing, all the time, and then also argues that trans men are privileged for being seen as women, all the time, and then goes on to argue that people perceived as feminine are actually always oppressed, all the time, going so far as to literally state that butch women are treated BETTER than traditionally feminine women.

Like it is so fucking painfully clear that the only people she talked to before writing this book was other middle class white trans women who already agreed with her.

But no one will ever warn out about any of this shit because that would require giving a shit about people other than collage educated white binary trans women who are literally spewing white supremacist shit and transmedicalism and literally straight up lying about trans men and nonbinary people.

The idea that trans men and nonbinary people don't Realy face any oppression literally stems from this fucking book, and bigots who only care about themselves and give no fucking shits about solidairty or even just basic fucking facts have been eating it up and regurgitating it for over a fucking decade now.

It's literally just white feminism at its most fucking violent and insideous, but everyone pretends it's fine now, because now it's inclusive of white middle class trans women who can afford to go to collage, not just the cis ones.

[rjalker]

[ID: Black text on a white background, titled, "How Radical Feminists pretend the world works: The Game!", set up as though showing item stats for a video game, reading: "Item: Woman Identity. This item changes your identity to Woman. Worn in the Identity slot (1/1). Special effect: Take +5000% damage from systemic oppression. Item: Man Identity. This item changes your identity to Man. Worn in the Identity slot (1/1). Special effect: Gain a 5000% shield against damage from systemic oppression." End ID.]

The only ones allowed to play this game are skinny, perisex, gender-conforming, binary, ablebodied white people.

Sarcasm: don't you know that if you just stop identifying as a woman, and do nothing else at all, street harassment stops being dangerous and you get back all the rights conservatives have taken from you? End sarcasm.

if your "feminism" is based on the idea that you magically stop being oppressed, or are likewise magically "less" oppressed just because you don't identify as a woman, your feminism is not based in reality and is absolutely worthless.

[rjalker]

troutreznor for your free transandromisic blocklist. Thinks all transmasculine people need to personally apologize for something they literally had nothing to do with.

make sure you mark red in shinigami eyes.