#This is about Hal Jordan btw
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hey btw every time you dumb down a superhero in order to make the resident Bat look smarter an angel fucking dies
#This is about Hal Jordan btw#He is a member of a highly skilled highly trained branch of the military#And most fans treat him like he couldn’t figure out how to work a microwave#Do you know how hard it is to fly a plane#This is also about Barry allen#He’s literally a forensic scientist#He’s just as qualified if not more qualified than Batman in some situations#hal jordan#barry allen#dc comics#dc fandom#green lantern#the flash#also#superman#green arrow#aquaman#and any of their affiliates#Superheroes#batman#p-14c
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I'm thinking about how it is canon that Bruce, as Batman, sends a gift to Hal Jordan's niece for her birthdays, even when he was mad at him for the Parallax' stuff. It demonstrates that Bruce CARES about his teammates, enough to care about their family, even when he is not in good term with them he cares.
And, also, just imagine all these people that gets a gift from BATMAN for their birthday, every year. The Kent. All Oliver's kids. Wally and Donna. Bart, Kon and Cassie. Hal's niece doesn't even know his identity, so it doesn't stop him. All of them had been getting gifts for years!
#bruce wayne#batman#batfam#justice league#hal jordan#green lantern#clark kent#oliver green#diana prince#you know the whole gang#dc comics#my ramblings#Liam Roy's daughter is also getting a gift btw it started at her birth as she is Green Arrow's granddaughter#“Hal and Bruce hate each others” You couldn't be more wrong they have a complicated relationship but they understand each others so well#And they care about one another and believe in the other
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[The Watchtower. The Flash is relaxing in a common area, sprawled chaotically across a couch and munching on a high-calorie protein bar. Green Lantern approaches from the side, pushing away Flash's legs so he can flop down beside him. The Flash quickly finishes his bar, then spitefully brings his feet back up to rest on Lantern's lap.]
Hal: I’m getting real sick of Spooky giving me heart attacks, man.
Barry: What happened to being “always vigilant”?
Hal: I am! It’s not my fault he’s the scariest dude alive!
Bruce: [Appearing out of nowhere] Just be grateful you haven’t dealt with my kids.
Hal: WHAT THE F—
Barry: Your kids?
Barry: I always thought they were more…
Barry: sociable
Bruce: [gives him a tiny grin, looking something between smug and amused]
Hal: Hang on, I feel like I missed a chapter — Spooky has kids???
Barry: Keep up, Lantern
Hal: You cannot in good conscience tell me to “keep up,” you’re literally a speedster—
Barry: So, wait — if you’re not the scariest guy alive, then who is?
Bruce:
Bruce: Depends on who you ask
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[Cut to an Office-style confessional with all the former (male) Robins. Each is interviewed in a different location, and required varying levels of convincing in order to participate.]
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Dick: [Upside-down, in the middle of doing a workout on gymnastics rings. He wears a thoughtful expression as he holds a handstand, making it look effortless.]
Dick: The scariest one of us?
Dick: Well, I guess… probably Tim. His morals aren’t exactly... clear.
Dick: Not to mention the fact that he literally stalked us for years as an untrained, civilian child without anyone noticing.
Dick:
Dick: Actually, I’m pretty sure he still does.
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Jason: [In his apartment, arms crossed and seated on an outdated-looking couch. There is flipped and scattered furniture all around him, and he holds close a copy of Pride and Prejudice. Its cover is spattered with blood.]
Jason: You really broke in just for this shit?
Jason: Fuckin’, me, obviously.
Jason:
Jason: But, if I had to pick someone else…
Jason: [Sighs]
Jason: [mumbling] Demon Brat.
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Tim: [Sitting at a large desk in his office at WE, wearing an expensive suit. His tie is loose and his eyes are dark-rimmed, and papers are stacked all around him in a messy, yet organized fashion. He was woken up from a nap for this, despite the fact that a mug of coffee is sitting to his right and several empty energy drinks can be seen behind him.]
Tim: I mean, I don’t think any of us are particularly scary anymore. Like, we all have similar skill sets and abilities, and there are contingencies for if anyone goes rogue.
Tim: [smirking] Plus, you don’t just stalk the “world’s greatest detectives” completely unnoticed and feel intimidated by them — I know way too much for that.
Tim: [sighs] So, if we’re going by my standards? Couldn’t tell ya. But if we go by sheer intimidation-factor to outsiders, then it’s probably Jason.
Tim: Like, sure, Batman has his whole schtick, but plenty of Gotham has been around the block by now and knows he won’t kill people. But the Red Hood? He made his debut with a duffle bag of severed heads.
Tim: [shrugs] I hate to say it, but that’s pretty badass.
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Damian: [Sitting in a plush chair in Wayne Manor, looking poised. The fireplace is flickering picturesquely behind him, and Titus sits faithfully at his feet. The scene is incredibly photogenic compared to the others.]
Damian: Tt. What a pointless question to ask — the entire purpose of our training is to ensure we are all equally intimidating. But I suppose I will entertain the thought.
Damian: Grayson, as the heir to Batman’s mantle, is the obvious answer. He is highly skilled in combat, deductive reasoning, and, of course, acrobatics. He is confident, competent, and a strong leader.
Damian: [grinning smugly] Of course, even if this was not the case, it would still be an easy conclusion to reach, given his competition. Drake is weak and Todd is soft, therefore giving Richard the clear advantage.
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Alfred: [Calmly preparing dinner, chopping vegetables with speed and precision. He is nonchalant and does not look up as he gives his response.]
Alfred: While I would be happy to entertain the question, I am afraid if I were to answer honestly, I would have to say none of them.
Alfred: [smirking faintly] The boys are all very well-accomplished, of course — but it is my opinion that the “scariest” one in the family cannot be anyone other than Miss Cassandra.
Alfred: After all, stealth is the key to startling one’s peers, and she has mastered it thoroughly.
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—alternate response from Tim—
Tim: Oh, definitely Dick, but probably not for the reason people think.
Tim: Like, sure, he started before he hit double-digits, but I figured out who Batman was at that age, so it’s not really that impressive. And, yeah; original Boy Wonder, successor to Batman, Tamer of the Demon’s Heir— all great for the resume. But the real reason he’s the scariest?
Tim: [shudders]
Tim: He went to therapy.
#if Tim's alt response was used I would've had Damian reach the same conclusion about Jason#but this felt more in-character#I still think the therapy joke is funny though so it stays#also B is kinda ooc but we'll ignore that#batfam#batfamily#batman#bruce wayne#dick grayson#jason todd#tim drake#damian wayne#alfred pennyworth#cassandra cain#barry allen#hal jordan#crack post#This is before Duke btw#sorry to all my Duke enjoyers
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Under blue moon, I saw you 🦇
#who is up thinking about cass cain guys..#actually... this is a design for my au im making rn...#reading batgirl 2000 btw...#her design has a lot more bat coded traits#alike the bruce in my au... he also has the bat ears instead of the pointy look..#biomimicry designs i tell you!!!!#cass cain#cassandra cain#uhmm idk what else to tag#speedster art#i drew this recently but i am trying to keep my tumblr up to date..#more art soon (<-- this dude literally has hal jordan parallax fanart rn that is about to be uploaded...stay tuned..)#guys she is sooo cool#i love the way shes designed in my au because her suit is different too#anyways..uhmmuhmhmhum i love colors and i love coloring digital pieces thank you goodbye :33#my art
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Anyway, I think the worst thing Geoff Johns did to Hal's character is that he just made him boring. The fun thing about Hal is that he's the worst man to walk the earth. He's a trainwreck in the making. Every day he wakes up and thinks nothing and makes 20 awful decisions and messes up everything and goes to sleep content in a job well done and it's great. Hal is the Worst Man Ever™. He's a donkey in human form. By all means his personality and skillset makes him the perfect supervillain but he's a hero and he's imperfect and he claws himself back from the brink long after most people would've given up because that's who he is. That's at the core of his character. Even when he's below rock bottom, he never gives up, and god does he hit it, over and over again.
Johns just... erased all that complexity by making Hal the bestest greatest most precious lanterny lantern ever. Suddenly everyone loves him and treats parallax as just a 'hehe! Whoops!' and it sucks because if you take away the fact that Hal is a garbage human being he's just BORING. He's just a boring stereotypical stoic superhero. Who wants to read that! Who wants to read about Universe's Best Most Precious Greatest Man Gets Praised And Solves Every Problem And Is Never Wrong. Like at least when batman does it they try to give us a detective story. Usually it's not a good detective story but they at least try. Hal doesn't need to do detectiving. He can solve pretty much anything with the ring on his finger. He's invulnerable and powerful and perfect and let's be real, at this point he barely has a secret identity. There's nothing adding stakes to the story, not when Hal the best boy is here.
It's so fucking boring!! It's genuinely an injustice to his character. Hal's much more interesting when he makes every single bad decision, ever, and then has to dig himself out of the hole that he dug. That's someone I can root for. That's a character I can develop complex feelings about. If you just hand me the perfect being in creation I feel nothing. I'm already bored.
#in conclusion thank you Jeremy Adams for feeding me. that man is the worst man in existence. i want to put him in the juice presser#like you look at hal and you just know he never replaces his toothbrush#hal jordan#meta#i guess#this is also how i feel about ollie btw#men who are the worst 🤝#im more okay (though still annoyed) by Bruce being the best because the whole point of his stories is that he's so smart he can solve any#mystery. there's other things driving the stakes. plus he's more limited in power so even when he's the Best there's still narrative tension#hal is just too op for something like that to work#and for other characters like superman who are also op they thrive off of a nonpowered supporting cast#but Hal's supporting cast are all other lanterns. or like. superman.#like you don't need to be the Worst Man Alive to carry a narrative through the strength of your personality as Wally demonstrates#but you still need a PERSONALITY#you can't have a personality if you're the best at everything always
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barry: seriously, all you do is bitch
hal: i happen to bitch the perfect amount for someone in my situation
#batman#dcamu#green lantern#hal jordan#batfam#barry allen#batlantern#hal’s complaining about being in love with bruce btw
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how am i supposed to be normal about them (action comics 1938 issue 617)
#this story has nothing to do with barry or the flash btw hal saw someone fast and went must be my friend#it's not barry he is still dead#doesnt even look like barry#hal jordan#barry allen#halbarry#aiyonna reads comics#slightly unrelated but ive been thinking about how hal has never been mentally well
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Insert the "you construct intricate rituals which allow you to touch the skin of other men" meme
#hal jordan#oliver queen#ollie queen#wednesday spoilers#green arrow 2023#this is a joke btw. I'm fully aware than hal and ollie don't need to construct any rituals to have gay sex#also I love how I know so much about the arrowfam through osmiosis that I can follow this run just fine#and watching cw's a*rrow when I was 17 but like. that's the reverse of consuming arrowfam material#(yes I still hate that show)#nikoletta reads comics
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*long insurfable sigh* I miss my friend Tails, i miss him alot.. I'll be back 😿
#{{ooc. he's talking about Batman btw}}#{{and Flash too.. we need a Flash account}}#green lantern rp#green lantern hal jordan rp#dc rp#dc comics rp#dc rp blog#green lantern corps rp#batman rp#flash rp#barry allen rp#bruce wayne rp#hal jordan rp
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To everyone freaking out about this week's MAWS episode, I'm just going to say: They broke up in the 90's and it proved better for them in the long haul. Lois got the space to figure her shit out for herself while also realizing how much Clark meant to her on a purely personal level. Clark never stopped loving her or believing in her but also he wanted the best for her so he gave her that space. They figured their shit out. They found each other. They got married. Jimmy was Clark's Best Man. Also Clark got de-powered for a significant period of time and Hal Jordan became evil at this point but don't worry about that. Oh, also Lois got a whole arc where she got to go full Rambo to rescue Clark (still de-powered) on their honeymoon which was fucking hot as shit.
Here's Lois being fucking shredded on her way to rescue Clark btw:
(also Clark got dosed with truth serum and said "i'm superman" while high off his ass but don't worry it all worked out).
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hi hi hi hi I found out about Hal Jordan TODAY and am going so autistic over him it’s insane can you please give me a rundown on what his deal is I think you’re the Tumblr Green Lantern guy
omg hi, insane compliment btw, tysm! i'm glad to give you a rundown!! also definitely check out @katmaatui for more hal info, red is SUPER knowledgable abt him. @rillette, @catboyollie, @halcarols, @starsapphire and @yellowcorps (along with so many others that i cant think to tag off the top of my head) have some great hal takes too! (edited the post just to tag more ppl)
apologies if this is a bit rushed/messy, i'm doing this while i smelt stone in minecraft LMAO
that being said... i think this will be a long one, so more below the cut :3
(cw for light mentions of pedophilia, abuse, canon typical violence)
okay, so hal jordan is the first human green lantern of the GREEN LANTERN CORPS. it's important to note that there was technically a human green lantern before him (alan scott, originally from earth two/the justice society, but integrated into main DC canon after crisis), but his power comes from a different source- which is a whole different ballpark that would take ages to explain, lol, so i'll move on from that.
hal was originally introduced in a showcase issue in 1959, but ended up getting a solo run in the mid 60s because of his showcase issues doing well. he's been a test pilot, middle brother, compassionate, rule follower (although being surprisingly liberal for the time) with an interesting relationship with star sapphire carol ferris since those first appearances. for the first 20 odd years of his appearances we had no information on his parents, but we got a lot from other family members, such as uncle titus, cousin hal jr (aka airwave), younger brother jim jordan and older brother jack jordan. through the 60s and 70s those members of his family were developed along with him; with the audience learning that jim's wife sue thought jim was green lantern, rather than hal, and hal himself training his cousin, hal jr.
the most known version of how hal got the ring in the first place is probably based off of geoff john's rewrite in the mid 00s, reiterating the original story of abin sur crashing onto earth and dying, leaving hal with his ring to be trained by sinestro and the rest of the glc, while also changing miniscule details that had been developed in emerald dawn 1 & 2 (which was released in the 90s, more on that later). the main premise of abin sur's crash has stayed the same, but the story around hal's current life, job, family and stability keep changing. for instance, the original comic with abin sur in showcase only showed hal getting the ring, the guardians choosing him. the first rewrite i can think of was emerald dawn volume 1, published in 1989 and continued in emerald dawn v2 (1991). here we get the classic hal watches his father die in a plane crash with carol ferris beside him as a pre adolescent, and some of the biggest implications of the mistreatment from his father. we also get introduced to hal, despite his stick to the rules, straight edge attitude, making some serious mistakes and putting people in danger and even death- with the implication of alcohol abuse. the audience HAS known hal used to be in the air force since sometime in the late 60s or early 70s (sorry, i don't remember the exact issue!), but emerald dawn shows us that hal's moved on from the air force and into test piloting, and that his mother keeps having to bail him out for making mistakes. emerald dawn vol 1 shows the abin sur moment, followed by fights that cost hal's friends life, and is followed up by sinestro training hal in emerald dawn vol 2, where we get to see the iconic scenes of hal finding out about sinestro and his... dictatorship.
along with that; how the guardians and rings are treated and hal and the glc's perception of them is vastly changed over time. in the early days of gl in the 60s, the guardians were really never to be seen. hal was repeatedly summoned to them and then had his memory almost fully wiped- only leaving a vague notion of his orders. the guardian's called hal to them at seemingly the worst times, ending up with him almost getting injured, getting in trouble at work, and even ending up jobless and homeless. the chaos of being a green lantern has been around the WHOLE time, but originally, the green lanterns didnt really... fight it. the guardian's were their masters (and even father figures, to hal) and not to be questioned. the rings in the 60s were also much more powerful, despite the yellow weakness (the yellow weakness is the notion that from about the 60s to the mid 90s the green lantern rings were completely unable to be used against anything yellow). time travel, phasing, teleporting, etc were all very viable and common things- as well as forceful shapeshifting, invisibility, mind control, mind reading, etc etc. these days, writers have dampened these powers down to mostly shooting light and constructs.
okay, it's parallax time. the emerald twilight arc from the mid 90s wasn't an arc that was as thoroughly planned out over a long period of time as it probably should have been. a lot of fans at the time (and even now) hated what happened there, and claimed it ruined hal's character entirely. i can understand why! but, at it's core, the parallax arc is a story about a broken man pushed to the limit, fully grieving his home and family (originally, he lost his brother jim in the destruction of coast city, along with a lot of other family members) and being goddamn fed up with how his "masters" treated him and the rest of the corps. the so called "perfect lantern" (no, he wasn't that much of a rebel, despite what johns wants you to think) snapped and essentially tried to gain as much power as he could to bring back coast city. when the guardians stripped him of his powers so he couldn't, hal became enraged and took down every lantern in his path, just to get to the guardians and that power. long story short, he kills the guardians and absorbs all the energy from the central power battery on oa, becoming parallax- essentially a god. this marks the start of zero hour, an event made by dc to restructure and reset; giving the comics a new generation of heroes. hal destroys the world and remakes it, but is ultimately taken down by kyle rayner, the new green lantern, with the help of the jla, jsa and associates. there are a few more run ins with parallax after this, before kyle convinces parallax/hal that he can make up for all of this by reigniting the sun after it went out- aka killing himself. hal does it, is stuck in limbo for awhile and then becomes the spectre to continue to make up for the horrible things he did as parallax. the spectre is the spirit of god's wrath and vengeance, a weapon used to drag sinners to their very own, self made hells, and scare the shit out of people. the spectre, from it's very first appearance, is a ghost like spirit that takes on a host, and is primarily described using christian terms and is used in a very... christian ideology. HOWEVER, the spectre 2001 confirms that hal is jewish (jewish mom, catholic dad) and that belief system, plus his personality as a whole, literally makes him change the spirit of vengeance into the spirit of redemption, for at least as long as they are bonded. the whole parallax to spectre arc is about grief, pain, cycles of abuse and terror, redemption and guilt. it is NOT about a fear bug that possess hal. (im so serious though, the spectre 2001 is one of the best comics ive ever read. amazing. changed my world view) but... geoff johns changed all of it, decanonized the spectre, and ruined the legacy of parallax and hal's growth as a person by releasing green lantern: rebirth in 2004/2005. this retcons hal's breakdown and journey through grief into him BEING POSSESSED BY AN ENTITY CONTROLLED BY SINESTRO THAT FULLY CHANGES PREVIOUS GREEN LANTERN CANON AND IMPLICATIONS. also, fucks up the importance of kyle becoming ion, but whatever. geoff johns writes hal (and even more so, carol) so very wrong, and change their stories so vastly in ways that go against the stories very meanings.
SIGH.
now... time to get started on some rougher stuff. hal jordan misconceptions. i'm saving that arc for last.
- hal jordan wasn't much of a rule breaker or rebel until the 70s/80s, where he BEGAN (very slowly, mind you) to be radicalized by oliver queen during denny o'neil's green lantern/green arrow. hal was painted as more of a conservative during this period (which, admittedly, kind of goes against previous canon... he's always been relatively central to liberal, not to any extremes like ollie though, lol) but gets more and more understanding of how power structures work and how lower classes are mistreated during this time- which ends up opening his eyes a bit to how shitty the guardians are. (this is helped by the guardians literally just. leaving. the green lanterns and kind of disbanding them so they can go fuck the zamarons, lmao). geoff johns tried to change this narrative into making hal a very... maverick-from-top-gun type of character, who punched his way out of the military (when, in reality, the original story during emerald knights in the late 90s was that hal had been framed for stealing a jet and was dishonorably discharged, which he took the punishment for because he knew someone had to) and hits on women constantly and gets ladies and allat (which, funnily enough hal was awful at getting carol to like him for a long time, since carol fell for green lantern rather than hal. not to mention the awkwardness of carol's proposals or hal's many, many failed relationships). hal has always been insecure and lowkey boyfailure, he is NOT a top gun maverick tom cruise sorta guy! fuck you jeremy adams!
- hes not that much of an idiot asshole. hal can be a real dick, he's had that going for him since the beginning, but he isn't what you read in batfam fics. he's not stupid and shouldn't be the laughingstock of the justice league. i assume this idea started from the obsession with batfam and the fact that the jla has quite the history of ignoring hal and his issues (as well as. all of their issues. theyre not so great at work life balance), but it's gone too far. hal isn't making fun of the robins and pissing bruce off bc of that. hal isnt fooling around on the job 24/7 (he takes being a gl and pilot VERY seriously, although he does enjoy some danger and high stakes) or slacking off to get girls. again. not top gun maverick.
- hal has not been a creep since the beginnings. hal was not weird with carol in the 60s. things were weird between them, yeah, but that's based off circumstance and the craziness of star sapphire and green lantern. he was NOT being horribly sleazy! i hate that i even need to say this, but i see this take too much not to
- going off of what was said above, lets discuss the arisia arc. if you want to be a real hal fan, this is unfortunately something you need to know about. in action comics, after crisis and the guardians left to go fuck the zamarons, most of the green lanterns fell apart and seperated. a small group went to earth- led by hal and consisting of hal, john stewart, katma tui, kilowog, salaakk, ch'p and arisia rrab. (also sometimes guy gardner, but that's complicated) previously to this arc, hal treated 14 year old arisia like a beloved little sister, welcoming her and leading her into the corps just like everyone else. things started to change once the timeline gets closer and closer to crisis, where arisia starts showing that she has a crush on hal (who is roughly 30s at this point). any advances made by arisia are shut down by hal at the beginning, because she's a child. now, it's unfortunately a common thing to just call hal a "pedophile" because of what happens in this arc- but it really isn't that simple. still weird and icky, but definitely not to the degree of which some fans like to act like it is- esp to attack hal fans for, which is... an odd choice regarding how many fucked up things every character (esp male characters) did back in the day. arisia ends up using her power ring to artifically age herself up, making her body AND MIND into that of a young adult (the comic makes this very clear). once this happens... hal stops rejecting her. they get together, they kiss. the only person in the group of green latnerns who actually has an issue with it is john (salaakk is meh about it, but he just doesn't like human-esque romance no matter what), and katma even directly encourages their relationship. kilowog ends up crushing on arisia as well, and guy gardner hits on her repeatedly throughout the whole period. eventually, hal and arisia break up, but this legacy (thank so much englehart, for wrtiting this. /sarc) is a big controversy among the comics crowd. "is hal jordan a predator?" personally, and i know a lot of friends/mutuals/other gl fans choose to erase the arisia arc entirely (versus how canon ended up retconning it to be 14 earth years is equal to that of an adult and she didn't really get super ages up, or whatever) and go with the familial relationship between hal and her. that's my preferred version! i know red (@katmaatui) has explored that version as well as an alternate version where the arisia arc did happen, and how it affects arisia in particular, which is really depressing but super interesting. anyway, it's complicated and weird and nuanced, but that whole occurence doesn't mean hal's a bad character or person (cause yk. retcons) and it's certainly not bad to like his character. (definitely ignore any guy gardner fans who try to bitch about this arc. cough cough. guy was ALSO into her and hit on her repeatedly. smfh) most people who bring this up to demonize fans didn't even read the arc, and don't know the nuance or the other weird shit that happens in it. (hal is not a horse, sigh)
OVERALL NOTES!
hal jordan is a super complicated character with an extensive history spanning from the 60s to his worse written appearances in modern age. it's okay to like any version of the character, but it is important to note the changes that have been made, the storylines butchered and lost, and more. he has quite the legacy, and he's particularly interesting as from a moral standpoint. hal's a real sweetie though, when it gets down to it! he's neurodivergent coded (imo at least.. his dad very much gets onto him for being disrtracted, hes kinda shit at social interaction (and then amazing at it the other half of the time) etc etc. "spacecase") and his dad is an abusive asshole, who he desperately doesnt want to be like but thinks he NEEDS to be like!
#i really dont know how to fit this last stuff in so its going in the tags#hal has quite the homoerotic tension relationship with his nemesis (but also close friend) sinestro#they repeatedly come back to each other and long to be alongside eachother#despite all the shit they hate about one another and their respective organizations#check out more of red's stuff for sinhal for sure lmao#for other hal relationships...#hal has a complicated relationship with his brothers and mother (at least when they were all alive)#hes very close friends with oliver queen (and dinah lance by proxy) and quite a lot of fans (me included) think theres some tension there.#homos!#he has a niece (helen jordan!) who is featured in the spectre and who he loves very much#hal and john are proclaimed best friends and care deeply for each other#hal and guy fight a lot but theyre in a similar boat#kyle looks up to hal quite a lot and hal is.... complicated about kylre#a lot of people ship hal and barry and i get why. its cute#not my fav though i think its overdone#hal jordan and carol ferris are so fucking important to eachother its SO important.#they need eachother in a wya thats confusing and sometimes toxic#idk what else to say feel free to ask more questions#sorry for the rant#and sorry that i mostly focused on 60s to early ish 00s thats my expertise#mordie answers#mordie speaks#hal jordan#green lantern#ch: who has time for heavenly things#uhhh#hal explanation#ok bye#hal jordan analysis#gl
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Finally the last team for my au is introduced, Cass and her new friends!! Been waiting a while to post this but last week I was a bit under the weather. So I posted a bit earlier than usual this week.
Cass being part of a team means there are 5 kid teams (tho Dick's team are just about adults anyways), all the kids having their own friend group outside of the bat family was something I wanted to do. It took a lot of digging to find all available heroes that could not only fit into their age groups but also produce the character interactions that I wanted.
Cass was never really part of a 'teen titans' styled team of her own(well except for like two issues of Young Justice) tho she did occasionally interact with other young heroes. She would be part of (non-bat) teams sometimes, like the outsiders and currently Birds of Prey but not a kids team. Part of why is because she debuted as near adult (17) and also stuck mostly with the batfam. I also got the sense that Bruce wanted her to focus on her batgirl duties, and wouldn't want her to be distracted with having other hero friends.
Though circumstances are different in this au, and with Jason,Steph, and Tim having their teams, Babs gets the idea to get Cass a team of her own! Friends are important to have and Babs wants Cass to have the full benefits that friendship offers!
So here's the members of this team:
Top row- Natasha Irons (Steel, like her uncle), Ray Terrill (the Ray), Arisia Rrab (Green Lantern)
Middle row- Traci Thirteen, Lorena Marquez (Aquagirl), Cass Cain (Batgirl), Connor Hawke (Green Lantern), Cody Driscoll (Risk)
Bottom Row- Jenni Ognats (XS), Grace Choi
Also while not shown on this page, there's also Wendy Jones aka Windfall and Carrie Levine aka Red Wing. You'll see them down below in the other drawings.
Over time I'd like to get more into team along with their interactions with Cass but for now lets just concentrate on a few of them. Starting with the Lantern of the group, Arisia Rrab.
Arisia is currently a Green Lantern in training, just like in canon her family has a history of becoming Lanterns. But Lanterns live dangerous lives and after the death of her parents Arisia was chosen by the ring to be next. Normally the corps don't induct children into their ranks, but Arisia is a special case. Since she just a trainee I decided to have her be mentored by Hal Jordan and John Stewart on Earth, similar to how Hal was trained by Sinestro. As for her sector, it's probably being watched by temporary Lanterns (maybe from the honor guard?)
Her training will probably last longer that Hal since Arisia is a kid and will need more guidance, also in my au the Guardians have a bit more rules regarding minors and more safeguards. So Hal and John try to take care of her and any accommodations she needs as a kid. Hal kinda hates the added responsibility, tho he's slowly learning to enjoy having a sidekick of his own. The other lanterns like to help out sometimes, with Katma being esp fond of her. Btw you know how right after crisis there were a bunch of lanterns living on earth and had this fancy house built, I think that's where I'm gonna put Arisia in as her living place. Like I said, Hal and John try to make sure she's still ok.
Also for added info, for John, he isn't a back up lantern like how he started out in canon. When he started out, there was only one lantern per sector but in the 2000s that got bumped up to two (earth is special and gets like a million lol). I'm just rewriting the rules in this au so that there's always been a 2 lantern per sector rule. He also started a bit earlier, not long after Hal.
Anyways, Arisia is now on earth experiencing earth culture and even attending school in Coast City, she loves learning and is focused on doing well in both school and GL training. She decided to join a kids team to get better experience in crime fighting and is enjoying making new friends. I wanted her with Cass because I thought Cass would benefit with having a mature, studious kid as a friend (Babs certainly thinks Arisia is a good influence on her) but also I'd think it would be funny if Cass does something profoundly weird and unhinged and Arisia simply assumes that all earthlings are like that ("oh, you just emptied my fridge while I was gone, I guess that's just normal on earth").
Also you can see up there that Arisia also has to deal with the other kid lanterns that are popping up, I've already posted about Rankorr and Miri. Miri is pretty annoying to Arisia and keeps trying to convert her to the violet lantern corps, Arisia tries to avoid her. She gets along a bit better with Rankorr but is a bit intimidated by him. You can also see that there's a Blue Lantern (Nicole Morrison) and a Yellow Lantern (Nax). I'll probably talk about them another time, suffice to say that Arisia seems to have been given the mission to keep an eye on these other young lanterns and see what exactly their up too.
Also I'm just gonna get this outta the way, I'm not aging up Arisia nor am I gonna her and Hal get romantically involved. Not even gonna elude to it, I'm just straight up ignoring all that. Arisia is a kid and staying that way, and Hal is just her loser mentor.
Now lets go on ahead to the speedster, Jenni Ognats aka XS.
Just like in the comics Jenni is from the future, and is the granddaughter of Barry Allen aka the Flash. Atm I'm not entirely sure how her story goes because there a lot of time travel involved and time travel plotlines always confuse me. Lets just say while trying to train for the Legion of Super-Heroes (who are kids not teens btw) try-outs, she ends up going a little too fast and ends up in the 21st century. Barry and Iris (who've just gotten engaged) are shocked by Jenni's abrupt appearance but decide to take her in and take care of her while they try to figure out how to send her home.
Barry adores her and both of them get along pretty well since they seem to have similar temperaments. Jenni likes to trail after him and help sometimes with fighting crime, its great training for her future with the legion. Wally down there is a bit jealous of their great bond but feels a bit guilty over it since Jenni is very sweet and likes/respects Wally as well. At least she doesn't annoy him like the other kiddie speedsters.
Jenni starts off a bit timid and insecure in the comics so thats how she's starting off here too. Maybe being in a team with Cass with help her out, hanging with someone very confident (arrogant even) can inspire her to be more secure in herself. Jenni also gets along with Arisia as well, their is an easy camaraderie between them. Plus they both know they both have a time limit on this earth/time and are trying to enjoy their time here while they can.
Lets go on with the others, like Ray Terrill aka the Ray.
Ray was one of the first members of the team I'd considered for Cass's team and thats because they share something in common. And thats a childhood kept in isolation, though it manifested differently. Ray lived almost his entire life (until age 18) indoors because his 'father' (actually uncle) told him sunlight would kill him. It was actually the opposite since Ray has the power of light. I suppose in this au his uncle died earlier so Ray discovers his powers sooner. Perhaps he also found his mother and maybe lives with her as well?
He and Cass tend to bond over their lack of interaction with society and how it affected them, honestly I don't think it got the focus it should have gotten in Ray's own comic. Being raised like that and only having the tv as your window into the outside world, Ray should be a much weirder and awkward person. But while Cass didn't even have television, she understands Ray few others can. I kinda want to make Ray a bit of a 'right-hand' man to Cass, and at first I even played with the idea of having Ray crush on Cass a bit. I dropped that when I learned he was gay in rebirth, tho I think having their connection be platonic makes it work better.
Here's some doodles of this team, along with a bonus Koryak.
Look at Ray and Cass looking cool, as they should be!
The girl in pink in the bottom row was me trying to figure out how to draw Natasha Irons, just trying to play around with color pallets and hair styles. Also looks like Lorena and Koryak seem rather interested in each other.
Speaking of Lorena aka Aquagirl, lets go into her.
I say Aquagirl but since Tula is currently using that maybe I should have her be Aqualass (should I make Koryak aquaboy? eh). Her being here basically means the Sub Diego incident occurred, I thought of her getting her powers another way but I liked that story line so I'm keeping it. She tends to split her time between Sub Diego and Atlantis and is currently being trained by Aquaman. Tula helps with training as well and is overjoyed at having her own mini sidekick.
Lorena, along with Ray, was one of the first members I put on the team and one reason is that I think that she and Cass would have a pretty good chemistry together. Kinda similar to what Cass and Steph had in the comics but certain vital differences. For one there's far less of power imbalance with Lorena being a meta, so Cass wouldn't see her as needing protection. This works on a social level as well, since not only in Lorena and Cass in different 'families', Lorena isn't outcasted like canon Steph.
Also, while I wouldn't call Steph insecure really, she had some baggage with how much better Cass was in hero work. Lorena doesn't really care about Cass's skill level, like at all, she treats Cass as an equal and expects the same in return. Cass kinda respects this in a way, and likes that someone just see her a someone 'regular'. Lorena is slowly teaching Cass to just chill out and hang out like regular kids do, which is one of the goals that Babs was aiming for.
In drawing I posted a while back, I had Babs and Tula meet and become friends, primarily so that they could arrange a 'playdate' for Lorena and Cass. Leading into the rest of the team overtime. Here's the first meeting between them actually:
Lorena makes her splash into Cass's life, I wonder if Lorena will introduce Cass to actual mermaids.
Here's some extra doodles for the team.
Up there is Carrie and Wendy, who I didn't put in that first drawing, no room. Carrie on the left is the youngest of the team and shows it. She's very naive and looks up to the others a lot esp Cass (she's so cool!! :D), hopefully she has a better fate than what she got in the comics.
Wendy on right was part of the outsiders, and before that a villain group called the Masters of Disasters. Since she's younger (in fact I deaged her by a year or two) she got rescued from her abusive sister and is now trying to become a hero. Batman recommended her to Babs who put her on the team. Having a evil family member and being forced to be evil is something Cass understands, tho Wendy is still a bit intimidated by her a bit. But I think they could learn to get along. Also look at Ray looking fancy, always thought his costume looked like a band/military outfit.
Later on I can get into the others but I'm still reading and refining what I want out of their interactions with Cass so thats for another time.
Here's a concept doodle of the first team line-up here.
You can see that I put in Mia aka Cir-El as the super of the group, I thought that her being the 'daughter' of Superman it'd be funny to have her team up with Cass, the daughter of Batman. But I couldn't really make them click in my head and decided to go with Natasha as the super. I felt a bit bad cuz Mia was a fun little character but that's how it goes. Maybe she'll team up now and then as an ally of sorts.
And lastly, here's a group shot of the team after I finally settled on what I wanted the line-up to be! Here they are:
Btw, I don't have a name for this team, like with Steph, but if anybody has any suggestions let me know! I kinda asked for help earlier with Steph's team but I didn't get a name that worked for me (maybe I'm just too picky). In exchanged, I can give you a free doodle of any character of your choice.
Well, hoped you liked all of that, take care!
#DC Comics#Cassandra Cain#Lorena Marquez#Grace Choi#Ray Terrill#Arisia Rrab#Cody Driscoll#Jenni Ognats#Tracy Thirteen#Natasha Irons#Connor Hawke#Wendy Jones#Carrie Levine#my art#Training Wheels au#not tagging jay and the others btw#my hand hurts plss
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this is me if you even care
when you think of hal jordan you think of a space cop asshole
when i think of hal jordan i think of a silly little loser who makes me kick my feet and twirl my hair like a teenager on the phone in a 1990s movie
we are not the same
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u talked about hal’s brothers so i wanted to ask… what do u see his relationship with him? his mom? i remember he had a niece at one point, how do u think he acts around her? i’d love to know
HELLO POOKIE! <3
But anyways to answer it: Honestly it depends, Jack can be a bit.. well, based on some posts and fics he can be rough as hell on Hal but i think they mended that bridge. Now Jim is quite the opposite, they were strained but started talking more and fixed their relationship it was slow but it was all worth it(they be my favs), and yeah he has a niece! Her name is Helen Jordan and she has a brother named Jason Jordan! She is makes a appearance on Hal spectre's arc, since both her parents died, Hal became her guardian, and omg are they the most adorable duo! I still re-read those panels from how cute the interactions are
Now his mom, well, it depends too. His mom was quite the good mom, not perfect, but good she had a hard time raising 3 children on her own but she still loved them all equally. For some strange reason, i think some new comics depict her as abusive(?) or distant, when in reality she was one of Hal's biggest supporters despite feeling the fear and pain of him wanting to become a pilot like his deceased father, and well she was terrified that Hal would die just like his father and i can't blame her, grief can change you alot.
Thanks for the ask btw! <3
I am also open to chat about fic ideas or prompts :3
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grabs the microphone....hello...everyone...I'd like to show you my pride and joy....Hal Jordan.
Btw don't mind how it looks, I'm still figuring out how to work Clip Studio Paint (VERYYY WEIRD). So these are test drawings yummyuymym
Barry: "Heyyy <33" (While also doing the worst winks throughout history. Barry Allen CANNOT wink, only when he's acting cocky.)
Hal: "Bar, We've been dating for 5 years. Hiii <3" (Dear GODD he's so bad at flirting...I need him)
This drawing is an example of Barry before getting with Hal. Iris showed him one of those extremely corny romance movies (I am such a fan of them and I have an entire list of those movies) and then he started daydreaming one day at a JL meeting because the members were talking about movies (they got off track and Bruce had to clear his throat to get their attention).
I also got reminded of the song 'Just Some Guy' from Dead End Paranormal Park and went WILD. You could guess where this is going.....looking over to HalBarry and grabs them
#UHHHHH FUCK#speedster ramble#my art#dooddddddlleee??#hal jordan#barry allen#halbarry#VERY MUCH HALBARRY RELATED WHO AM I KIDDING#i am normal about them SOOO HARD (no I'm not...)#iris for sure digs those corny romance movies but NOT those hallmark movies...no#more like Serendipity (i fucking love that film....ITS SO???#the most useless headcannon i have is Iris being a huge fan of movies containing cusacks and she loves dragging barry to the movies#minor mention of iris west here#mostly in the tags#green lantern#dc
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twofold. 1. The Lanterns show isn't just about Hal Jordan btw but are you looking forward to seeing it? 2. Emerald Twilight is just 3 issues though? how can that be a good story?
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The Lanterns show isn't just about Hal Jordan btw but are you looking forward to seeing it?
You're right about that sorry about that. I barely kept up with the project in the first place. I remember back when DC announced it years ago as part of their lineup but never bothered to check in because I had my doubts about the show taking off.
Am I looking forward to it...honestly for the past 5+ years I've been quite avoidant with Western adaptations moreso with projects that I either deeply liked it's source material or am aware of how good it is even if I never got around to reading/playing/watching (eg: Halo, The Witcher). The Green Lanterns are by far one of my favourite concepts in comic books and I always felt like they have so much to offer in terms of storytelling and visual storytelling yet rarely have I been impressed. I'm also worried in terms of budget. HBO is suffering from budget issues which were very apparent with HOTD where it effected it's storytelling (or maybe that's just my TG goggles on) I can't imagine it's a good idea to have another big budget show when they don't have the budget for one lol. I hope they don't spent time on earth that's so lame i'm sorry.
I'm a bit of a purist but idgaf when the source material is mediocre or "just alright" (The Boys, Umbrella Academy, a lot of anime lol, heartstopper, upcoming DMC anime)
For personal reasons Hal Jordan is one of my favourite characters in comic book so you can understand why I'm very hesitant to pick up the show. I'm very much pretending to ignore but I know curiosity will eventually have it's way (very much what happened with HOTD).
I kind of...tapped out of comic book adaptations for a while now lol and am very behind but it implies I care enough to keep up with DC/Marvel projects.
Emerald Twilight is just 3 issues though? how can that be a good story?
Good point but I meant more of a holistic view of Hal Jordan even if you take a non-chronological view (it's comic books, make your own canon) I think you'll end up with something worthwhile.
Obviously in the span of 3 issues him breaking down and becoming a villain is very very rushed but the overall arc, when combined with how great of hero Hal was (with a dash of being questionable human but not morally grey) him rising to the occasion and becoming the best GL from a shitty undermined planet to the greatest of villains has massive potential ... outside of comics lol.
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