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The Society :: 01.10 — How It Happens
The Coup // The Arrest
(Allie Pressman, Luke Holbrook, Campbell Eliot, Shoe)
Links: Part 1 || Part 2 || Part 3 || Part 4 || Part 5 || x
#The Society#The Society Netflix#The Society TV Show#The Society TV Series#The Society Gif#The Society Gifs#The Society The Guard#The Society The Arrest#The Society The Coup#The Society Allie Pressman#Allie Pressman#Allie Pressman Gif#The Society Luke Holbrook#Luke Holbrook#Luke Holbrook Gif#The Society Campbell Eliot#Campbell Eliot#Campbell Eliot Gif#The Society Shoe#The Society Shoe Gif#The Society Allie#The Society Luke#The Society Campbell#Allie Pressman Gifs#Campbell Eliot Gifs#Luke Holbrook Gifs#The Society TV#The Society How It Happens#The Society Season 1#The Society Season 1 Finale
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(✿◕‿◕) die (ꈍ ꒳ ꈍ✿)
#MY GIRLLLLLLLL <333333 you're doing amazing sweetie kill them all you deserve to#anyway. coping mechanism. the problems in my life i could solve if society just let me have a death note#this show really is an exercise in patience and suffering i get SO squicked out#by how much the horrible characters and situations mirror the insanity of what's happening in real life#also the revelation that some of the actors are Exactly as shitty as their characters are is. ugh.#but every time i'm like okay i can't take it i need to stop to protect my headspace#i think of kimiko and am like.... no... i need to see my gir....#hope karen gets jucy roles in other shows too PLEASE#the boys#kimiko miyashiro#karen fukuhara#theboysedit#tvedit
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one of the reasons it's really hard for a lot of intersex people when intersex topics are on the news cycle is because the public's reaction reveals how little anyone knows or cares about intersex people, including people who call themselves our allies. almost every time intersex topics are trending, the discourse surrounding them is filled with misinformation. people who only learned today what the word intersex means jump into conversations and act like an authority. endosex/dyadic/perisex people get tripped up over things that are basically intersex 101, with tons of endosex people incorrectly arguing about the definition of intersex, who "counts," DSD terminology, and so much more. i've seen multiple endosex people say today that they've been "warning intersex people" and that we should have known that transphobia would catch up with us eventually, which is an absolutely absurd thing to say given the fact that consistently over the past ten years, it has often been intersex people sounding the alarm on sex-testing policies and also the fact that many, many intersex people are also trans, and already are facing the impacts of transphobia. there is an absolute failure from the general public to take intersex identity seriously; people seem not even able to fathom that intersex people have a community, history, and our own political resources. instead, endosex people somehow seem to think they're helping by bringing up half-remembered information from their high school biology class which usually isn't even relevant at all.
and this frustrates me so fucking much. not because i want to deny the impacts of transphobic oppression--i'm a trans intersex person, trust me when i say i am intimately aware of transphobia. this frustrates me because there is no way we can achieve collective liberation if our "allies" fail to even engage with basic intersex topics and are seemingly unaware of the many forms of intersex oppression that we are already facing every fucking day. if you are not aware of compulsory dyadism, if you are not aware of interphobia, if you are not aware of the many different ways that intersex people are directly and often violently targeted--how the fuck do you think we're going to dismantle all of these systems of oppression?
if you were truly an intersex ally, you would already KNOW that this is not new, and would not be surprised--interphobia in sports has been going on for decades. you would know that we do have a community, an identity, a history--you would have already read/listened/watched to intersex resources that give you the background information you need for allyship. you would know that although there is a really distinct lack of resources and political education, that intersex people ARE developing a political understanding of ourselves and our oppression--Cripping Intersex by Celeste Orr and their framework of compulsory dyadism is one example of how we're theorizing our oppression. It's absolutely fucking wild to me how few people I've seen actually use words like "interphobia" "intersexism" "compulsory dyadism" or "intersex oppression"--endosex people are seemingly incapable of recognizing that there is already an entrenched system of oppression towards intersex people that violently reshapes our bodies, restricts our autonomy, and attempts to eradicate intersex through a variety of medical and legal means.
you cannot treat intersex people like an afterthought. not just because we're meaningful parts of your community and deserving of solidarity, but also because intersex oppression impacts everyone!!! especially trans community--trans people will not be free until intersex people are free, so much of transphobia is shaped by compulsory dyadism, the mythical sex binary, all these ideas of enforced "biological sex" that are just as fake as the gender binary.
it makes me absolutely fucking livid every time this shit happens because it becomes so abundantly clear to me how little the average endosex person knows about intersex issues and also how little the average endosex person cares about changing that. i don't know what to say to get you to care, to get you to change that, but we fucking need it to happen and i, personally, am tired of constantly being grateful when i meet an endosex person who knows the bare minimum. i think we have a right to expect better and to demand that if you're going to call yourself our ally, you actually fucking listen to us when we tell you what that means.
okay for endosex people to reblog.
#personal#intersex#actually intersex#actuallyintersex#interphobia#intersexism#compulsory dyadism#trans#lgbtqia#transphobia#also to be clear im not necessarily mad about people not knowing or using the term compulsory dyadism. bc that term in particular is newer.#and from a dense academic theory book. so that's something that i understand why ppl might not yet know. i just brought it up as an example#and my main point is less about which specific terms people are using. but more just that endosex people seem incapable of recognizing the#actual material instances of oppression that are already happening. and teh history of that. and the systems#set up to enable it#like idk i don't care if you don't know or use a term if you're otherwise aware and understand how the sex binary is fake and all the#discriminatory ways society then enforces this. and how it fucks intersex people over#you see what i'm saying?
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Yes we founded this hobby in late victorian europe where we divide animals of the same species from around the globe into races and measure them with calipers and put extreme emphasis on blood purity and conformity but WE SWEAR this has zero links to the eugenics movement that was coincidentally happening at the exact same time and place
#selective breeding has been happening for thousands of years but insisting the current model has zero ties to eugenics is cope#eugenicists were constantly taking prompts from the animal world and vice versa at the time#you cant talk about darwinism at the time without social darwinism and all the implications it held it was all part of a larger model#and victorians obsession with order and hierarchy that permeated every part of society#like this is just how many of them saw the world ofc it got applied to animals
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day 30 - videogame (undertale, fnaf, etc)
somebody get this man some chapstick
#(voice of a guy who’s desperately trying to not give in and watch the movie for the third time in a row) So how’s everyone doing#i haven’t drawn mike in like 5 months this is simply unacceptable. unsustainable#he could fix everything that’s wrong with the world#i have once again changed his design but it’s ok#but yeah as you can see i am very interested with the concept of mike adjusting to living in human society as a weird alive corpse thing#fuuuuckkk AUEJGHHHH i seriously do like movie mike so much i think he and game mike can live in peace and harmony#something so awful is happening to me and it’s past midnight i should NOT be allowed to think aboht my favorite characters#myart#cringetober 2023#michael afton#mike schmidt#fnaf#five nights at freddy's#can anybody hear me. help. help. MICHAELLLL DONT LEAVE ME HERE UEHGH OUGH MICHAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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the scene where they have the first dead poets society meeting and neil’s death scene feel like direct parallels with the shadows and silhouettes
#there’s so many parallels in the film and this is one of my favourites#it shows how delicate time is and the many things that you can do and that can happen#also that while we watch neil the poets are at welton having a dps meeting#dead poets society#neil perry
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Seeing people hate on bnha’s ending for not being a utopia and claiming that nothing about their society has changed, and I just don’t agree with that.
Even if it’s not perfect, their society did change for the better. Crime still exists, but has gone down to the point that less heroes are needed. There’s less idolization on the pro-heroes career - in Deku’s teenage years the ideal job was pro-hero and only pro-hero, but in the epilogue other career tracks such as healthcare and technology are given equal recognition and value to the pro-hero career track. Therapy used to be viewed as a threat and something to be kept hidden because it is shameful to admit that you needed it, and in Toga’s case used outdated practices that did more harm than help - in the epilogue it’s instead seen as something regular and helpful, and that needing help is nothing to be ashamed about, and more up to date and effective at actually helping others, as seen by the therapy programs Uraraka and co created being talked about on tv. Society is shown (I’m mainly thinking about the old granny and the kid) to be less apathetic to those in need. Things have changed for the better.
It’s not a utopia. Crime still exists. Heroes are still needed. But they’re no longer the sole bandage for the gaping wound that used to be their society. Other people from other careers help serves as bandages too, and all of that ultimately helps society function in a way that benefits everyone better. If utopia is the top of the stairs and the society shown in the story’s beginning is at the bottom of the stairs, the society shown in the epilogue is on the step that is halfway up to the top. Not perfect, but improving, and one that is working on continuing their improvement so that they don’t fall stagnant and backslide back to the bottom of the stairs where they used to be.
(Ngl if I want to be more specific it’s that the beginning of the manga has them in the lower parts of the steps solely because All Might and his Symbol of Peace carried them there, but it’ll muddy the metaphor too much lol)
But anyways. BNHA’s ending does something I find much more interesting than ‘they’ve created a crime-free utopia where everyone is happy’. The ending goes ‘things aren’t perfect but they’re improving, and will continue to improve so long as everyone puts in the effort’. It acknowledges imperfections, and the beauty and importance of small steps that lead up to big changes. It promotes gradual growth as important and crucial, and that’s a message I find much more relatable than a crime-free utopia.
#bnha#my ramblings#bnha meta#bnha spoilers#bnha manga spoilers#the entire manga had ‘people must desire and take the steps necessary for change or else it won’t happen’ and I see that in the ending#like. we see this in Bakugo and endeavor and all might and Deku#Bakugo and endeavor recognized their initial behavior as abhorrent and took to the steps to change because they wanted to be better people#make up for their wrongdoings etc#all might and Deku wanted to save people and took the necessary steps to achieve that goal at the cost of their own bodies and selves#best boi Kirishima changed himself to become more proactive because he disliked his middle school self#they all were dissatisfied with their initial states and took the needed steps towards their ideals bc they wanted to be better people and#recognized that the only way they could do it is if they took those steps themselves no matter how hard it was#even the villains do this. they hated the society that shunned them and took the steps to break that society#‘become the change you want to see in the world. it doesn’t matter if it’s gradual or small. if the change is there you have succeeded.#continue to succeed’ was the message I got from the manga
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when a cis person gets medical surgery and treatment to allign closer with their coercively assigned gender at birth, that is in fact, different, to when a transgender person does it.
yes, even if they're the same surgeries! and yes, even if the cis person is intersex!
that does not make a cisgender person meaningfully "trans" in any way what are you people talking about?
being transgender is kinda, fundamentally about being a different gender than you were assigned at birth! and the societal pressures that come with being that are always going to be different than someone who has the same gender that society assigns them!
like this line of thought implies that, being transgender is just a process of surgeries and hormones and medicalization? which, i shouldn't have to tell you that's transphobic but it kinda fuckin is !
i'm sorry but this is just a nonsensical concept and following it to any of its logical conclusions implies really weird things about transgender people and intersex people.
#juney.txt#people seem to have this weird conception of intersex-ness that like#it's just magically complicating somehow#in a way that just kinda seems like any time intersex people are brought into the conversation#they just don't wanna think about it anymore.#and just throw their hands up and go ''well whatever none of the pressures of society apply here anything at all can happen''#just idk#the example i was given seems really fuckin obvious to me in how not trans it is#like ''oh if an intersex afab woman's body started masculinizing and it made her dysphoric#and she started taking hormones to relieve that dysphoria#wouldn't that make her an afab trans woman?''#like no what the fuck are you talking about#like even if we're just treating trans-ness as a purely medical thing for some reason#surely you can see the difference between taking hormones to allign closer with the gender society wants you to be#and the gender society doesn't want you to be#surely you can imagine the latter might come with a hell of a lot more roadblocks and medical gatekeeping and discrimination right
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"[Celene accepting Duke Remache's proposal of marriage, which would likely eliminate Gaspard's challenge to her rule] is worth considering," Briala said, interrupting Celene's thoughts. Celene glanced over to see that Briala was refilling her teacup, her eyes still downcast. "It is not." Celene took the elven woman by the shoulder and gently tilted up Briala's chin until those beautiful eyes met hers. "If I tie myself to some lord, it will be for more than good hunting grounds in the Deauvin Flats." Perhaps it was selfish. Perhaps it was a mistake in the Game, even. But Celene had lost enough of her own life to the Empire of Orlais already... as had Briala. Briala's gaze softened. "Majesty."
A favorite moment from The Masked Empire, encapsulating a lot of what I find so compelling about them, particularly the drive-by interruption by Celene's guilty conscience and how much of a colossal understatement "perhaps it was a mistake in the Game" turns out to be
#empress celene#celene valmont#briala#briala x celene#dragon age#the masked empire#percolating thoughts about how unfairly true Gaspard's warning that “everything that happens could have been avoided with wedding vows” is#society's demand for control over a woman's body being the only force in the universe Celene couldn't defeat#linka's fanart#linka’s fanart
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I'm just gonna leave this here 🙂
#rhett and link#rhink#loft video#mythical society#how do i even tag this??#cuddling#i'm SCREAMING#this is the next collectible#giant blanket#and link was showing us how he usually lays on the couch and get under the blanket and his dogs come to snuggle with him#and of course rhett has to be link's couch for this scenario#because why not#BUT#what's up with this part???#what is happening here#and the noises#and the humping#HELP#my post
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Honestly fascinated trying to figure out how both of Ambessa's kids ended up being diametrically opposed to her whole jock spartan might-makes-right mentality.
Tthe obvious answer, of course, is that Ambessa's husband (Kino's dad, and the guy Mel thought was her bio dad until recently) was way more of a diplomat and way less of a fighter, both philosophically as well as in terms of skill. And that he's the one who passed this on to the kids.
This fits well enough as an answer. The guy in the portrait certainly looks more like a talker than a fighter, and we know that Ambessa has a thing for pretty, submissive men thanks to her whole introduction in S1. Also, regardless of Mel's genetics this is presumably the man who raised her and is her father in the "nurture" sense of the equation, so it would be completely reasonable for her to take after him.
However, there are a few issues here.
One is the fact that even when Mel is talking to who she thinks is Kino about the possibility of one of them being a bastard, or of a bastard half-sibling existing, neither of them mention their father at all. While I doubt either of them would hold illusions about Ambessa remaining faithful to a spouse (for all we know the guy's still alive while she's off carousing with twinks), you would think that if both kids were close to their dad or took after him particularly, there'd be at least a passing mention of him in the midst of this discussion.
Maybe Mr. Medarda died a long time ago, though. Perhaps it's a topic so buried that it's an established habit to simply never mention it. Or maybe there is an issue of estrangement between him and his children for other reasons. He doesn't seem to have factored into Ambessa's decision to send Mel away, nor is his potential grief brought up around the subject of Kino. Despite confirmation of his existence, he seems (ironically) to be out of the picture, though it could also just be that the writers wanted to leave their options open for what he might be like in case another Arcane-adjacent series comes into production. I am fairly sure that Mel is the most likely character from Arcane to create continuity into a show about Noxus or Demacia or something, if we get another LoL series, especially since her story feels the most unfinished.
However, there's another possibility, which is that Mr. Medarda up there was such a nonentity in his kids lives that he doesn't come up because there's not much of a relationship to acknowledge. In which case, even if he is more of a diplomat (and he and Ambessa were a political marriage, presumably?) it'd be hard to credit him with influencing the kids so significantly.
One of the interesting things about Mel and Kino is that even though they are at odds with their mother on a lot of topics, topics that even seem to tie into prevailing Noxian cultural ideals (so, things they'd have been overall raised to believe in by the rest of their house and not just their mother too), they are also kind of astonishingly confident in expressing themselves?
So, somebody must have been supporting their alternative viewpoints and validating them as opinions worth expressing, even if they weren't things Ambessa approved of or actually wanted to foster in them as opinions/philosophies.
I think an interesting option is that it was Ambessa herself who did this, actually.
Ambessa's lore mentions that she figured out really early on that Kino did not share her temperament at all. Also, that she started searching about for ways of ensuring not only her house's domination, but the survival of her children specifically. Because the succession in a Noxian noble house doesn't seem to be guaranteed by birthright, which means that Kino and Mel would probably face rivals from their own family if they seemed too weak or vulnerable to lead, and someone else contested it. An easy way to remove a "weak" leader would also be to just kill them off. That's even apart from external rivals (like the ones who actually did kill Kino).
Which means that even if her kids had different values and priorities, Ambessa would probably have wanted them to still present those opinions with ferocity and confidence. If they cower to her, they will cower to others, and that's worse than them just not being aggressive combatants or warlord types. If you're gonna be a peacenik weirdo (by Ambessa's standards) in Noxus then you better damn well still be an assertive one.
I like this idea partly because the image of Ambessa trying to balance her kids having totally alien opinions about things like the value of life and importance of compassion, with trying not to actually beat down their spirits about it. Just spending a lot of their formative years being like, ugh, I have to listen to my nerd ass loser children tell me why they think mercy is a good idea. Such a fucking chore. Anyway great job presenting your arguments kids, lots to think about, let's go get ice cream. Then Mother has to fire one of your military tactics instructors for daring to call you a couple of wieners. Again. Even though she's right.
#arcane#arcane spoilers#mel medarda#ambessa medarda#kino medarda#long post#ambessa just being mystified about why this keeps happening like how come BOTH kids turned out like this???#also the possibility that she looked at her literal infants and was like 'oh no they have no killer instincts AT ALL'#accidentally nurtured her kids to be more compassionate because she didn't realize that being hardcore almost from birth is weird#tfw you were a freaky kid and your society has a lot of pretenses so you mistake normal child behaviors for some kind of inherent weakness#'the children cried when I showed them a dead body this is bad people are gonna make fun of them'
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The Society :: 01.10 — How It Happens
The Coup // The Arrest
(Allie Pressman, Clark Beecher, Luke Holbrook)
Links: Part 1 || x || Part 3 || Part 4 || Part 5 || Part 6
#The Society#The Society Netflix#The Society TV Show#The Society TV Series#The Society Gif#The Society Gifs#The Society The Guard#The Society The Arrest#The Society The Coup#The Society Allie Pressman#Allie Pressman#Allie Pressman Gif#The Society Clark Beecher#Clark Beecher#Clark Beecher Gif#The Society Luke Holbrook#Luke Holbrook#Luke Holbrook Gif#The Society Allie#The Society Clark#The Society Luke#The Society How It Happens
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I've been seeing some shit on how certain folks apparently think it's like, surprising that Penelope just accepted Odysseus and all the stuff he's done without question and/or disappointment in Would You Fall in Love With Me Again when like... Not only against Odyssey!Penelope but ALSO Epic's. We may have only gotten 2 songs it's still a concept album. THERE'S STILL TIME! of the real Penelope in Epic but like, even then we can see that she's equally as wild
#“How are you so normal about knowing your husband committed infantcide-” because she's NOT Normal?? neither of them are??#odypen are freak4freak#like if it weren't for the laws of Xenia she would've done something#like even in the Odyssey girly is basically literally praying to the gods for Antinous to choke on chicken bone and gets sad when it doesn'#happen. the only reason why she didn't run up and kiss her blood soaked husband is that she couldn't tell exactly if that was him for sure#because he was so bloody. she literally couldn't really see his face. too well and was just going on vibes and she needed confirmation#shout out to folks who portray odypen as the hazards to society that they are :3 I love you#penelope#odysseus x penelope#penelope of ithaca#epic penelope#epic the musical#I'll never shut up about her. I LVOE her so much#Mad rambles#shot by odysseus#odypen#essay#kind of
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I love this scene when Charlie tells Todd Neil is alive and then Neil comes out from hiding behind the door and then Neil and Todd get married
#dead poets society#dps#ask me anything#neil perry#todd anderson#dps fandom#dead poets#anderperry#I AM GOING INSANE#pleasenpleasepleasr please please#guys wdym this isn’t how the movie happened#this is how I remember it
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You know I'm realizing one reason you keep seeing mdzs modern AUs where the Jiang parents are alive mainly so they can dramatically fail and betray Wei Wuxian by cutting him off financially--defaulting on his college tuition or formally disowning him etc--isn't just that people want to translate the Burial Mounds II arc into modern terms while keeping Jiang Cheng clean of it.
(Despite the fact that the internal logic of Jiang Cheng's character is largely built around him being a person who would abandon someone he intensely cared about under these specific circumstances.)
It's because it's hard to set up a modern analogue for the way that Jiang Cheng is responsible for Wei Wuxian, as his Sect Leader.
We live in a highly individualistic society. People are trying to write Wei Wuxian Tragically Wronged, and because there's a normative expectation that people in the position of parents will provide you with resources, and certainly won't withdraw them without warning, but no such assumption that people in the position of siblings necessarily owe each other support, making this work in modern setting with Jiang Cheng in his canon role would require a lot of extra work, just to get a less readily resonant result.
But I keep thinking about it. Because something that's getting lost here is, not just the nuances of character and relationship, but like...it's sort of key to the story that cutting Wei Wuxian off was, in fact, Completely Socially Appropriate.
The level on which it was a betrayal is subtle, and deeply cutting. And intensely tied up in the very different opinions each of Jiang Cheng's parents had about what obligations existed in their family wrt Wei Wuxian, and what these meant.
The level on which it was the obvious, normal course of action is blatant. That is to a huge extent why it happens: because Jiang Cheng's instinct to conform is a survival instinct, reinforced by trauma, and Wei Wuxian's choices meant he had no coherently compelling reason not to obey it, and enormous peer pressure to do so.
The fact is that Jiang Cheng was making a reasonable choice, the actual thing 'anyone would do in that situation,' unlike Wei Wuxian and Jin Guangyao's respective wildly warped ideas about what that is.
Wei Wuxian wasn't betrayed by Jiang Sect like your foster parents cutting you off because you're disobedient. Wei Wuxian was betrayed by Jiang Sect like your brother refusing to drop fifty grand to bail you out of jail.
Of course Wei Wuxian tells him not to. And of course the fact that Jiang Cheng already chose in the moment not to pay a cent because Fuck You Wei Ying still stands there glaring, a precedent that can never be taken back.
And then later he's betrayed by Jiang Cheng like your brother cooperating with a police investigation into a manslaughter you really did commit, that's being handled like domestic terrorism. And then like your brother calling the cops on you. And then like your brother helping the cops find where you're hiding.
I'm personally fascinated by the way Jiang Cheng's lifelong resentment for the way Jiang Fengmian reliably bailed Wei Wuxian out of everything informed those decisions to do the normal thing, the way he's reacting against his dead father as well as against Wei Wuxian and the actual situation.
But even without that daddy issues angle, the fact that the person who made that choice was Jiang Cheng, and that it was simultaneously the reasonable appropriate normal upstanding citizen rational thing to do and so shitty Wei Wuxian would be entitled never to forgive it is sort of. The Point.
Of the scenario, and also to a considerable degree of the entire finely tuned narrative construct that is Jiang Cheng.
#hoc est meum#mdzs#jiang cheng#wei wuxian#meta#like sometimes people commit transgressions#and you have to actually decide what that means to you#what you're willing to let them cost you#whether you agree that that transgression deserves punishment#and even if it does what role you're willing to take in that process#jiang cheng is someone whose sense of right and wrong operates along emotional and pragmatic axes before consulting the moral#which means that without being a *bad* person he's someone who's highly susceptible to pressure#as long as it comes from either a superior or Society At Large#especially if his insecurities get tripped#but like sometimes just for example it's illegal to be gay#or people have less rights because of who their parents were#and those instincts can lead you into bad choices#it's good to be able to set boundaries but jiang cheng is not good at setting them where he personally actually wants them#and when he does they're the boundaries Angry Jiang Cheng wants#and calmed-down jiang cheng just has to live with them#which ofc is something that applies to wwx too in very different ways#the fact that BOTH jiang cheng and lan xichen when the chips are down choose society over their respective halves of wangxian#at one crucial point#and that lan xichen does so in a way that he can live with and not withdraw from the relationship because of#while jiang cheng is almost insane with the need for wei wuxian to deserve everything that happened to him#and how much of that is who they are as people?#and how much is that lan wangji is not dead#and how much is it that lan xichen understands exactly what happened and why#while jiang cheng doesn't and can't so he has to make up his own story to make sense of it#so much going on here
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Jason Todd gets blown up, resurrected, and after regaining his skills and control from Talia, goes back to Gotham and goes back to school. He leaves vigilantism entirely.
He’s taking literature and philosophy classes and just about anything to do with writing.
He makes friends, he’s on his way to normalcy.
And then he sees an opening for an opinion writer for the school newspaper.
Clark Kent gets sent the same newspaper article to read in both his civilian and superhero personas. If that’s not concerning, he doesn’t know what it.
It’s an opinion article on the state of vigilantism and hero work by a student in the next town over. And it’s a problem.
Because it’s good, too good. It feels like someone had sat in the watchtower during those first few months where everyone had been trying to work out how to function with so many different stances on morality and ethics. Should any of them really be doing this? What were the lines they couldn’t cross? If we’re working outside the law, what moral credibility do we have otherwise to justify our actions?
And sure, Clark’s written more than a few pieces criticizing Superman, but there’s a point to that. He has his own reasons. This kid, well, Clark isn’t sure of their reasons exactly. Because his gut reaction is thinking this kid is just making heroes and vigilantes look bad.
And there’s a reason that all of his and Bruce’s debates on ethics happen behind closed doors. Because to be self critical is to try and prevent hubris, but to allow public criticism at this level is to lose the faith of the public.
So Clark is torn. Because if he responds, he gives credibility to what could remain a largely unknown article. And if he doesn’t, he can’t control the reaction of other people start responding to it.
He’ll have to talk to Bruce.
#jason todd#batman#bruce wayne#superman#clark kent#jason knowing all of the arrest rates of the bats and other heroes as well as recidivism and reoffending rates#looking at property damage and all the other typical arguments is well and good but why have people allowed heroes and vigilantes to go on#have we not just increased the extremes on both sides - created super hero’s and super villains?#and what about child vigilantes? how is that a choice sanctioned by society?#meta or non-meta that sort of extra-judicial power shouldn’t be legal and what oversight is there?#meanwhile bruce is lowkey pissed because a lot of this is arguments he tried to use against his kids#and jason is having the time of his life writing articles in response to clark kent he always loved arguing against his uncle#i think it’d be even funnier for the bats to think jason was part of some plot to run a smear campaign against heroes/vigilantes#and they basically start stalking him and two things happen: they think it’s jason and are even more suspicious#and jason writes a new article about being stalked by vigilantes and violation of civilian privacy when not breaking the law#it’s a clusterfuck and PR nightmare
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