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[fivelila]

Why do I think Diego and Lila's relationship was toxic?

No, this isn't going to be a post where I want to bring up the rightness of Lila and Five's relationship and throw dirt on Diego. Not in the least. I want to discuss the real events of the story. Here we go.

Season 2

2x01

Diego has been in a psychiatric asylum for 75 days; it is not clear from the plot how long Lila has been there with him. A fateful meeting and escape together? Not exactly, since Lila is being set up by the Handler. Besides, Diego doesn't want her to have anything to do with his plan. But Lila has no respect for his wishes and joins him for the sake of her mission. Yes, she helped him during his escape, but their entire situation was built on a lie.

2x02

Diego wants to split up after the escape, but Lila doesn't want to. Later, he wants her to leave again when Lila is rude to him. But she stays. Then Five shows up and Diego agrees to leave with him and that Lila will go with them - which doesn't really make sense, he's wanted to get rid of her several times up to this point and now he's had the perfect opportunity to do so.

It's kind of weird how quickly Lila gets involved in their stuff. She's a stranger to Five, but he might think Diego knows her well and trusts her (since he wanted her to go with them). But Diego changes his attitude towards her unnaturally quickly. And I'm not really sure why. Was it just because he was attracted to her? Seems like a weak reason to me.

Their first sweet scene? If Lila wasn't pretending to be someone else. I mean, she went on to play "Lila from the asylum who doesn't understand what's going on" but it wasn't really her. We know Lila was highly intelligent and when she looked scared and confused about things that were going on, it wasn't real. In fact, in the context of things, I don't know exactly what to make of that moment. But it seems like it was a play on his emotions.

2x03

Yes, well, Lila helped Diego in this scene. But I found her medical methods a little questionable, ngl.

And their first time? Well, honestly, the most honest part for me is when Lila confides in him about her family. That was real and I think she took advantage of finally being able to talk to someone about it. But the subsequent kiss and the rest. I already wrote this in another post, but Lila definitely seemed very taken aback after the kiss, that he took advantage of her weak moment and their bonding felt like part of a plan to be able to stay on with Diego, but not for his sake, but for her mission.

I don't want to say she didn't mean to do it, yet her expressions don't look happy. And then there's the question of whether it's because of what happened before or what happened after (meeting Handler) because Lila seemed cool there.

2x04

Yes, the dance scene and the sparks fly. But also, when Lila wants to lead Diego in the dance, it makes Diego a little out of tune. A small demonstration that her open-mindedness and reversal of established roles is not something he likes. It's just that at the same time, Diego is charmed by her, and perhaps so he doesn't even notice her minor manipulations. It seems to me that Lila is testing how much Diego will be inclined to do things her way.

The rest of the episode is more Fivelila, but the moment Lila chooses to save Five and not him, it's clear she's hit him with it and doesn't understand why she did it and turned her back on him. Handler's instructions to her were still above everything else.

2x05

Diego is hurt that Lila didn't help him. And he begins to suspect that Lila is lying to him, but only after Five starts talking about it when Lila becomes suspicious (proof that Diego was kind of blind to her and needed to open his eyes). Later in the episode Five finds out the truth about her.

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To be continued next time if you are interested...

[space-ghost-with-the-most]

Just rewatched season two episode two and my God the LOOK Five gives Luther when Luther tells him to fuck off about the apocalypse, I’m actually in shambles? HE JUST WANTS YOU TO BE SAFE AND LIVE!! Nobody in that family truly appreciates the shit Five went through just for a chance to save their lives. He doesn’t care about the world, doesn’t care about the commission, he cares about his family. I mean shit, Five Hargreeves has loved his family longer than they’ve been alive, and they just don’t realize how profound his love for them is. To know, they have someone who spent forty years alive on hell on earth just for a CHANCE to keep them safe? And to become an assassin and be experimented on, just to see them again??? I’m going to cry, he is truly the most sad character in this show, his whole life has been a cosmic joke and all he ever cares about is his loved ones, he’s the loyalest motherfucker in existence, SOMEONE GIVE HIM A HUG GODDAMNIT

[currentlyonstandbi]

all the Deli Fives: *trying to figure out how to fix the timeline and stop the apocalypse*

Brisket Five in the kitchen:

[leoktzchen]

I think I’ve seen some similar takes on this already but the whole lila and five get stuck in the time line subway subplot had a lot of potential actually but they just BUTCHERED it with the whole romance thing

imo the could have just done this:

- show them bickering and arguing, fighting over wich station/line to chose next in a sibling like manner

- show lila falling asleep on fives shoulder as she keeps mumbling about some stupid thing Diego has done while five tops that story with an even more stupid anecdote from their childhood

- show five trying to shave himself without a mirror and failing miserably until lila rolls her eyes and goes “give it here you absolute imbecile” and then helping him out BUT STAYING AT A REASONABLE DISTANCE AND NOT BREATHING ALL OVER HIS FACE

- show them freezing on the subway floor, five mentioning how they could save body heat by staying close to each other, visibly uncomfortable, and lila pulls a face but they end up falling asleep shoulder to shoulder NOT CUDDLING

- show them at the greenhouse timeline, covering the walls with self-drawn maps and complicated calculations, brooding night after day after night, trying to figure this out with lila drawing little hearts on the paper with her kids initials in it

- show five finding the map on the subway, immediately rushing to tell lila whose face lights up like a supernova and as she exclaims “fuck, we’re going home!” she tries to high five him (it doesn’t really work, because five does NOT do high fives) and then pulls him in for a hug. five just about lets that happen, but he smiles a tiny smile and they arrive just in time for Christmas

basically instead of the romance that gave everyone the ick, they could have just gone for the whole sibling like dynamic between the two of them that I adored a lot in the previous season(s)!!!!

[ambafaerie]

The first thing Klaus took from that box was Dave’s dog tags and they just don’t talk about it. Viktor has trouble committing to relationships and this problem is not further elaborated upon. Ray’s abandonment is used as a dig against Allison. Luther seems to have given up searching for Sloane and only mentions her once. Diego and Lila are not content with family life and an unnecessary love triangle is formed between them and Five. The writers absolutely had no interest writing captivating personal drama or stakes for the Hargreeves in their final season.

[smeagles]

The Umbrella Academy Season 4 Premiere, Los Angeles, CA • August 5, 2024

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[hackedhearts]

y’all will call Klaus Hargreeves your comfort character as if he’s ever had a day of comfort in his entire life

[hello--goodbye]

THEY DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER

[non-plutonian-druid]

[ID: A drawing of all the Hargreeves plus Lila riding in Diego's van from season 4, wearing the outfits they usually wear in the promo posters. Diego is driving and using a fist to mime singing into a mic. Five is reading a newspaper in the passenger seat. In the row behind them, Klaus is dangling his arms out the window, Lila is throwing snacks at Five's head, and Allison is sharing headphones with Viktor who is sitting behind her. Ben is in the same row as Viktor and is staring straight ahead looking shaken. Luther is taking a nap in the trunk. End ID.]

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[fivelila]

Why do I think Diego and Lila's relationship was toxic? (Part 2)

Previous part of this series: Part 1

The Handler will also play a big part in this post, as I think it's quite likely that her actions motivated Lila's actions.

Season 2

2x06

Five finds out who Lila really is, and she returns to the Commission. The Handler notices her bracelet and comments that it’s a cliché to fall for your mark. Lila denies it, claiming the bracelet is just a trophy, but the Handler doesn't believe her.

2x07

Lila starts to notice that the Handler is gaining more and more influence in the Commission, and she seems worried about it. She's probably afraid of the consequences of her actions (and rightly so). I get the feeling she doesn't want to face this situation alone and wants to get Diego on her side.

Meanwhile, Diego finds out they’re about to go back in time. He wants to say goodbye to Lila, without mentioning that he wants her to come with them. Five tells him that Lila was just using him, which leaves Diego hurt.

Lila and Diego are reunited, but Diego is angry with her and wants nothing to do with her because she lied to him. Lila defends her lies, yet right after, she drugs him and literally kidnaps him into the Commission. 🚩 It's a very shocking awakening for Diego.

2x08

Lila wants Diego to work for the Commission, and the Handler agrees, but only if Lila takes responsibility for him. Lila brings Diego to training, but he immediately runs away from the Commission to pursue his own plans. Lila seems surprised that Diego left, though it made perfect sense from his perspective—he was never interested in anything like that. Honestly, the fact that she’s angry with him for something like that just shows that Lila has absolutely no idea what’s right and what’s wrong at this point in time.

2x09

Lila learns the truth about her parents' deaths and shifts her focus to getting revenge on Five. Just before that, Lila mentions she loves Diego, but her attention soon turns elsewhere. The Handler is ready to kill Lila, believing she has exposed the truth about her as well. It's a sign that the Handler is truly capable of anything, and I think Lila has always sensed that, at least subconsciously.

2x10

Lila helps carry out the Handler's plans and confronts the Hargreeves family. She’s cold toward Diego, which surprises him, though he only briefly refers to Lila as his ex-girlfriend in front of his family.

Diego discovers that Lila has been manipulated by the Handler since she was a child, and his opinion of her changes immediately. He offers her a chance to join their family. However, just after that, both Diego and Lila are shot. These events are reversed when Five turns back the time a few minutes. The Handler dies, and Lila manages to escape.

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Honestly? Diego's behavior didn't really make any sense at all. He saw so many red flags, seemed like he wanted nothing to do with her and then changed his mind from one minute to the next (twice). A lot of scenes in S2 are focused on Lila and Five, and in retrospect I feel like it wasn't Five who was the third one in this story.

Really the only positive points in S2 are: Lila saved Diego when he was stabbed in the stomach and also helped him greatly in his escape from the asylum. The rest often involved manipulation and lying. I also think that Lila latched onto him in large part because she sensed that The Handler was a threat to her and needed a backdoor.

[fiveirl]

bro is always sneering at people. bro is too chalant

[krittec]

there’s something extremely extremely creepy about taking an actor that you have known since they were 13 years old, only JUST a teenager, and making them kiss a fully grown woman the second that they turned a legal adult.

Steve Blackman already has a ton of shit out against him which came out recently so it unfortunately doesn’t surprise me that he would write something like this but it makes me genuinely concerned for everything behind the scenes.

There has been a HUGE problem in the Umbrella Academy fandom since season ONE when Aidan was a 13-14 year old of people writing insanely disgusting stuff and defending it because his character was mentally an adult but oh my god did they make it worse. You’d think they’d protect actor & character by avoiding any romantic interaction but instead you have him kiss an actress 15 years older than him. The age gap being the age that he was when they filmed season two. Quite honestly I feel that if he could’ve done this seasons previously and gotten away with it then he definitely would’ve done it, given the jokes that are actively made.

Quite honestly may Steve Blackman never work again if this is how he treats his actors because this is awful. I’m not even done with the season but that gave me very little desire to continue and this show has been important to me in ways I can’t explain. Maybe I am blowing this out of proportion but it feels so insanely creepy and horrific to me and I needed to rant.

[kneworder]

how the mighty have fallen

[smeagles]

just a day in the life of mr. netflix…

[magpielark]

Mr. Five, blegh.