#THE SNOTLOUT/BABY DRAGON THING IS LITERALLY MY FAVORITE THING EVER

[rosiethedragongeek]

GUYS THERE’S ANOTHER SNOTLOUT BABY DRAGON MOMENT WE MISSED HOW ARE THERE STILL MORE I’M LOSING. MY. MIND.

LOOK AT HIS FACE IN SNOGGLETOG LOG WHEN HE’S COOING AT A BABY GRONCKLE ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[zozophoenixxx]

Serotonin Booster :D🐉

How to train your dragon edition

Here are some things I had forgotten or little details I just noticed on my rewatch, maybe even Unpopular Opinions 🤭👀

✨Defenders of Berk✨

Not Astrid being pissed bc Fishlegs called her mean lmaooo

OMGGG "I would never call my father ridiculous. I'm calling my chief ridiculous" THE POWER OF THIS SCENE

The way Toothless just sat to look at the sunset.. Me too bby me too 🥺

Toothless and Thornado's shots combined was amazing!

"The first rule about the dragon flight club is that there is no dragon flight club"

Istg Meatlug and Fishlegs are made for each other

Baby whispering deaths!

OMG THEY JUST CAME UP WITH GRONCKLE IRON

I love seeing the origin of things ☺️

Wowww I just realized that Gobber has a unibrow

Sandstone makes glass

That shiny black rock makes another shiny black Rock, it also has Meatlug boiling

WOW a combination of multiple rock makes Meatlug a magnet

The way Hookfang pays more attention to Fishlegs than Snotlout is funny

Fishlegs on Toothless!!!!

"TOO MUCH FURY, TOO MUCH FURY!" JAHDHDHAH

Awwww love how Fishlegs feels happy abt being needed

DAGUR'S BACK AHH

I never understood why Dagur called Hiccup his brother but it's kinda funny

Young hiccup actually fighting is pretty badass and that shield 🥴

The way they were all trying to get Gobber to shower lmaooo

Gobber saved Gustav's life and Fishleg saved Astrid's

Am I the only one that finds the whispering deaths kinda funny, like yes they're scary but these mfs have tiny wings, a big ass head, are covered in spines and can't see like-

Newly hatched whispering deaths can be more deadly that adults bc they can't control their jaws or spines

WOW WOW WOWWWW A WHITE WHISPERING DEATH - Titanwing whispering death with red eyes OMG NO NO THIS IS THE SCREAMING DEATH I KNEW IT ‼️‼️

Wow but the pain in Snotlout's eyes 🥺

Monstrous nightmares are stoker-class dragons

Fireworms get brighter the closer they get to each other

Ohhhhh now I get the history behind Hookfang and the fireworms queen's connection

"You're not just another sword, Hookfang"

Awww the fireworm queen saved Hookfang, I ship them now JSHDHSHS

BABY ASTRID!! 🥺🥺🥺 AWWW

Flightmare - follows the glowing algae caused by Aurvandil's fire, sprays a paralyzing mist to those who it considers a threat to its survival

Aurvandil's fire = Aurora Borealis

YES ASTRID BEAT SNOTLOUT UP

Hiccup: Well, you know, Astrid, uh, training dragons isn't the only thing I think about.

Astrid: Are you actually saying that to me with a straight face?

JAHSHAHAJAJ I SWEAR I LOVE THESE TWO the way both of them said these lines I can't ✋����😂

The way she said the exact same thing as her uncle and even took on the name I-

I have this headcanon that bc I'm pretty sure Astrid's parents were barely mentioned in the shows or movies that her uncle was the person that was there for her the most which is another reason why it upset her to see people making fun of him

Why does whenever Astrid gets shot by a dragon she always tries to hit it off like her axe is a baseball bat? 😂

Hiccup saving Astrid in the flightmare ep🥺🥺🥺🥺

GLOWY TOOTHLESS AND GLOWY STORMFLY AND GLOWY MEATLUG ARE ADORABLE

Awww I love how Hiccup makes sure to mention the fact that "Fearless Fin Hofferson was indeed fearless, just like all the Hoffersons" 🥺🥺🥺 STOP AND THEN SHE SMILES AND HE PROCEEDS TO PUT HIS HAND ON HER SHOULDER I-🥴🥴🥴

I love how they're always interrupted whenever they're about to say a bad word

Lil terrible terrors are adorable 🥺

The fact that what they were trained for was actually useful it's crazy

Astrid: "no one is kissing me on the lips ever!!" HHSHAHAH ASTRID WHY U LYING

I feel like we don't appreciate how smart Hiccup actually is, and I don't mean that dragon-wise or building stuff-wise I mean in general. I'm in ep9 and they're finding old dragon traps to get rid of them and there was a lil breeze and he was like "there's a dry hot wind coming in from the north. It hasn't rained in 2 months. This is definitely fire weather." like how- am I the only one that would've been like okok a nice warm breeze 😩

Dude the typhoomerangs are so scary and huge wtf

I KNEW HE WAS TORCH

Torch actually built a lil relationship with Tuff just for that but of time I love it

WE'RE FINALLY GONNA SEE THE SKRILL!! I love it it's one of my favorite dragons :D

I never understood why fishlegs says his name when he's excited

Skrills - The skrill was first found frozen, it's the symbol of the Berserkers, it can stay safely frozen for decades because of their internal body temperature, can't redirect any lightning if it's in the water 😳

Y'all the skrill and the nightfury have gotta be related somehow, they're probably like cousins or sum. I mean the night fury is the "unholy offspring of lighting and death" and the skrill can control lightning AND TECHNICALLY TOOTHLESS CAN TOO REMEMBER HTTYD 3 + they also have similar physical characteristics at least Imo.

Dude this dragon is so badass 😌🤩🥰😩🥴❣️🤍🤝 I'm literally so obsessed

Wow one of the first times I see the twins actually doing sum useful

The way the shots combine🥴

Dagur has misophonia - condition where people experience intense negative emotions for sounds such as eating, chewing, loud breathing or even repeated pen-clicking [ep11]

Oh wow so they originally trapped the skrill in this show i didn't know

Wait but baby Gustav is actually adorable wtf and the fact that he and Snotlout have matching Viking hats

OMG SEE NOW I'M SEEING GUSTAV'S ORIGIN WITH HIS DRAGON AND HIS DESIRE TO BECOME A RIDER

Fanghook🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

Ruff puts fish oil on her hair to get "a greasy unwashed look"

Really hate when Snotlout doesn't accept no for an answer

THE HAND THING AHHHH I LOVE IT this time is Ruff and a scauldron

Ok guys so I did this with mi friend's puppy who I accidentally scared enough to make him piss himself and I'm pretty sure I traumatized him and now when I'm around the poor dog tries to get as far away from me as possible but one day we were kinda bonding although he still wouldn't let me pet it AND I DID THE HAND THING BECAUSE WHY NOT AND THIS LIL MF ACTUALLY PUTS HIS FACE IN MY HAND- I screamed and he left again🥺😂 BUT IT DID WORK

Scauldy🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥰😌☺️🤩🤍

Ok but ruffnut with short hair 🤩

Speedstingers

Also the way Astrid ran up to Hiccup in the ep14

Wait but the scene whenever they're fighting the Speedstingers and Fishlegs says they're too fast but Hiccup's like "not for a nightfury" and then they show Toothless dodging the Speedstinger's attack AND THEN THEY SHOW HICCUP PROTECTING HIMSELF WITH HIS SHIELD WHICH GETS THROWN AWAY BUT RIGHT THERE TOOTHLESS CATCHES IT AND THROWS IT BACK TO HICCUP who's like "Thanks bud" 🤩🤩🤩 literally so badass go watch it!! It's ep14 frozen min 17:40

I really liked the relationship Snotlout and Astrid created with each other's dragon 🥺

HOOKFANG'S WINGBLAST AND STORMFLY'S SINGLE-SPINESHOT ARE HELLA BADASS... I love how they worked together this time 🥺

DUDE JAHDHSJAJJJSA ppl really underestimate Ruff's cleverness, this bish really gets Tuff to do the dumbest things just to enjoy looking at him hurting himself JAHDHSJAH😂

TOOTHLESS REALLY JUST BIT AN EEL'S HEAD OFF TO SAVE HICCUP🥺

Baby toothless is high🥺

"Uh, okay. That one was a little close to the one good leg" JAHDHAHSHA ISTG I LOVE THIS DUDE

Johan hates Snotlout for breaking his stuff

Tuff got Macey the Mace from Trader Johan

Astrid looks hot without her shoulder pads

Ok but Dagur looks so weird without his viking hat in this show

The baby thunderdrums are adorable - BING BAM AND BOOM

NOOO STOICK JUST LEFT THORNADO 🥺

OHHH SO ALVIN WAS ACTUALLY FROM BERK and he was Stoick's best friend

Snotlout and Hiccup are parallels of Alvin and Stoick

Ok but that trick Snotlout did was amazing, he really had Hookfang do a lil typhoomerangs move and then the wingblast🤩

I FINISHED IT OMG NOW ONTO RTTE!!

[lady-alayne]

For the character thing: Hiccup from the HTTYD books

Thanks!!! I haven’t talked about HTTYD in too long

favorite thing about them: I love how much he cares about everyone, and that nothing could ever make him abandon his convictions. He’s not afraid to (in chronological order) be perceived as a “softie”, fight his own father, become an outcast, fight a rebellion, and go through a lot of shit (almost being drowned in ice-cold water!) to fight for the better tomorrow he believes it. What a strong lil bean

least favorite thing about them: Okay I love Hiccup but he gave Snotlout too many chances to redeem himself. Snotlout was really, really, REALLY mean and horrible and greedy for power, yet Hiccup never gave up hope that this time he must have changed his ways! Don’t get me wrong, I loved Snotlout’s redemption, but… I still think Hiccup was too forgiving.

favorite line: “He might be an outcast, but at least he had his dragons with him.” (How to Seize a Dragon’s Jewel)

brOTP: Definitely FISHLEGS, my favorite comedian.

OTP: This isn’t even a question for me, Camicazi is the one and only for Hiccup. They are partners in crime (literally) and she saved his life more times than I can count (and vice versa).

nOTP: Snotlout. I’m glad he came round and took the dragon mark but that does not mean he has to be Hiccup’s friend and, as heartbreaking as that sounds, it’s probably good that he died (story-telling wise!)

random headcanon: I always picture Hiccup the super nerd sneaking off to wild dragon cliff to teach himself dragonese when he’s like six or seven??? What a nerd, sitting there with his book and trying to make sense of it all and just observing the dragons and falling in love with them and then probably being attacked by a tiny little common or garden baby and being so excited about this opportunity to observe how dragon bites heal

unpopular opinion: Hiccup was too kind to Snotlout.

song i associate with them: Johnny I hardly knew ya - Dropkick Murphys

favorite picture of them: Look at Hiccup and Toothless cuddling because they are best friends my heart is so full 

[ashleybenlove]

Family Matters

 Also the name of a well known television series.

YEAH GANG, GET THE BAD GUYS. PROUD OF YOU ALL. I LOVE YOU.

 I love it when they make the Flyers pop off the Singetails. BYE FLYERS.

 Fishlegs just BIG NO’d and he and Ml just caused a domino of trees because they were protecting their friends. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

 “Sinking Johann’s ships— it’s not just a job, it’s a calling.” Yup, Ruff. You guys are Dragon Riders, and that… is your calling.

 Astrid is roasting Snotlout.

 They’re calling the Singetail a she. So that’s cool. How do you know???

 Oh shit where did they hide Garff.

 Also, I hope he’s okay.

 Fishlegs is taking the Singetail back to the Edge whilst the twins and Hiccstrid go look for Garff. GODS, THE TWINS ARE GOING EVERYWHERE WITH HICCUP.

 GARFF THERE YOU ARE.

 Astrid is so cute with Garff.

 Oh yeah the adult Death Song is still fucking with the Hunters. Poor thing.

 Astrid wants to bring Garff back to the Edge… ahh. Hiccup says no but NOPE SHE WON HAHA.

 Tuff: Have you ever won an argument with her?

Ruff: Eh, it always seemed like kind of a pointless exercise.

 “Chapter Three: Don’t Bring Untrainable Dragons Home” Snotlout, calm down.

 I wanna know how they know that this Singetail is a female. Did you check. I JUST WANNA KNOW???

 Hiccup, quit trying to argue with future wife.

 Chapter Five; Hiccup Haddock Missing a Leg and a Backbone. Hiccup is whipped.

 “Everyone in formation. Stay above cloud cover.” YES FORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Garff is going for the Death Song that helped raise him!

 Oh no Garff is captured.

 Fishlegs and et al have sagefruit!!

 Did she just spit up the sagefruit onto Fishlegs.

 Brilliantly evil. Nice save Tuff.

 Hookfang got heated.

 I guess Toothless’s ear holes are like, behind the biggest flaps at the top of his head. Okay. I don’t pretend to know the intricacies of Toothless’s body. Hiccup would obviously know more than I do. Toothless don’t like the ear plugs.

 I like this scene with Snotlout and Hiccup. Ahh these two. Mwwah.

 Ahh, Snotlout and Hookfang and the twins and b&B ARE DOWN.

 HICCSTRID AND THEIR DRAGONS TO THE RESCUE.

 FUCK THEY’RE GONNA GO INTO THE CAVE. AND NOW THEY HAVE NO WAY OUT. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

 OH SHIT, THEY ARE A LOT OF EGGS. I GUESS MY DRAGON PUPPY MILL THOUGHTS WERE RIGHT.

 “They’re breeding Singetails.” YUP. But it also hurts me bc yikes.

 The gang minus Fishlegs are barricaded in this cave.

 Hiccup found Garff!!!

 Lovesick mama dragon. That is the cutest thing I’ve ever heard. I’m gonna cry.

 Where did you find the Cavern Crasher Fishy.

 Ahh I love when they protect eggs and hatchlings and baby dragons. My favorite.

 SNOTLOUT HATES THE CAVERN CRASHER.

 Also we need to compile his chapter titles.

 HI OUTSIDE PEOPLE. HICCUP YOU NERD.

 They fucked y’all up!!!

Astrid loves Garff so much.

 Hiccup literally used the words “breeding program.” Something about that whole thing… just… makes me ill. But that’s the point. Though my stomach is acting weird rn.

 HE ACTUALLY WROTE THE BOOK AND THEY WERE READING IT. AWW.

 I wanna see the Acknowledgements in his book.

4 more EPS OMG

[sage-nebula]

Dreamworks Dragons ~

This list is probably going to be super predictable lmao. That said, only the first two are in order. The rest are really hard to sort because, damn, I love so much of this cast.

Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III --- Obviously, Hiccup is my fave, and has been my fave since his opening monologue. I mean, when you’ve got snark like:“This is Berk. It’s twelve degrees North of Hopeless, and a few degrees south of Freezing to Death.”in the very first line, you know I’m going to like you. I relate to Hiccup in a lot of ways, which I think was part of the point of his character. Dean DeBlois, the main man behind the movies, has said that Hiccup is supposed to be quite modern in his way of thinking, which is part of what causes the conflict in the first movie (since the Berkians are so entrenched in tradition and the 300 year war against dragons, whereas Hiccup is . . . not). But even so, even if that is the point, it doesn’t make it less true for me. Aside from relating to how snarky Hiccup is (even and especially when it’s not appropriate), I also really feel him on the cynical, melodramatic attitude he sometimes takes to things (“Oh, the gods hate me . . .”), as well as the complicated relationship he has with his father, Stoick. I really, really relate to him in the way that he was always willing to do or sacrifice anything for the sake of Toothless, because that’s precisely how I always was with Shiloh. I even relate to smaller things, like how he’s always so very done with the shenanigans of the other Berk Riders, even though he does adore them---or how he is, in all honesty, just not very great with children. (See: Gustav.) I also love his insistence on diplomacy, but his willingness to fight when the time comes. Hiccup, though he has his flaws as well, is great. I love him.

Toothless --- But of course we can’t forget Toothless! I love everything about Toothless. I love how he’s very definitively a dragon, even though the creators have said that they also pulled inspiration for him from dogs, cats, and bats as well; I love that he’s proud of who he is and what he can do, but how he also cherishes Hiccup, how he listens to and protects him and, even when Hiccup makes him a tail fin that he can operate on his own (in “Gift of the Night Fury”), he refuses to use it because he wants to fly with HIccup. Toothless is snarky and sassy in his own right, has a temper and can be petulant (“Oh, are you pouting, big baby boo?” ---Hiccup, HTTYD 2), but how he’s also so very, very intelligent and clever as well. Toothless is adorable and fierce all in one. He loves being petted and played with, but he will also face down any threat with a snarl if it means protecting Hiccup. Hell, he fucking mega evolved in the climax of the second movie to protect Hiccup! (I mean, they didn’t call it mega evolution, but let’s be honest, he basically went full Mega Toothless X. =P) Toothless is incredible. I adore him.

Heather --- Heather is very, very high up on the list for me because I think her character development has been excellent. While it has been a bit rushed at times because Heather is not a main character and therefore we couldn’t always see her (and while her subplot of a romance with Fishlegs was horribly done and terrible), I do think that she really had time to shine over the duration of the show and that the Heather we see at the end of season four of RTTE is not the same Heather we saw way back in RoB. Her experiences have very believably changed her; having to fend for herself after the Outcasts captured her adoptive parents, and then having to deal with having those adoptive parents murdered by her own brother . . . living alone for so long, developing abandonment and trust issues as a result of it . . . wrestling with her own temper, her thirst for vengeance and her desire for justice, along with what she knows to be right and her desire for a family . . . I think that Heather is a complex character and that her complexity was shown well. Could have been better, but I like what we got. I think that her story was one of the more compelling parts of the TV show and I think it’s a shame that she (and Dagur, for that matter) won’t ever be in the movies.

Tuffnut Thorston --- Tuffnut is an absolute delight. What I love most about Tuffnut is that although he very often comes across as a Cloud Cuckoolander (moreso than his sister Ruffnut, in all honesty), we very easily see that’s not all he is. Tuffnut (and Ruffnut, too!) is actually quite intelligent. It’s just that his brilliance is often showcased in ways that the other Riders don’t see or immediately recognize. He’s great at interior design. He’s great at coming up with Home Alone style traps to protect the Edge. Tuffnut thinks so far outside of the box that the box isn’t often very visible, but his method of thinking works and he’s hilarious to boot. Basically, I’m rarely going to dislike a scene that Tuffnut is stealing the spotlight in. He’s great. Definitely a fave.

Stoick “The Vast” Haddock --- I love Papa Wolf Stoick. He’s not a perfect father, but I think he’s a very believable father who---and yes, I’m including the first movie in this---very obviously loves his son very much. Stoick is usually torn in two directions; he has to be a chief for the people of Berk, but he also has to be a single father (mostly---Gobber helped raise that boy and I don’t know how to talk to you if you believe otherwise) for Hiccup, who is more than a handful despite only weighing 90 lbs as a teenager. It has been talked about on this website time and again, so I won’t get into it, but Stoick actually was not very much of a disciplinarian at all to Hiccup, and one of my favorite scenes in the TV show is when Hiccup is giving Stoick a very determined, yet pleading, face because he wants something, and Stoick is just like, “Oh no. Not that face.” You know Hiccup has purposefully pulled that shit time and again over the years to get what he wants. It hasn’t always worked---it took Gobber to get Stoick to let Hiccup into dragon training (only for Hiccup, for reasons we know but Stoick doesn’t, to be like, “actually I don’t want that anymore” and Stoick to be like “why gods” as any parent would), but damn if you don’t believe it hasn’t worked so much over the years. Hiccup wouldn’t try it if it didn’t. Above all, though, Stoick truly does love his son. He’s so protective over him. He gets goddamn scary and vengeful when Hiccup is threatened multiple times over the course of the show, and in the second movie actually sacrifices his life to shield Hiccup with his own body. He runs hell for leather across the battlefield to do just that. So many people unjustly like to demonize Stoick and call him abusive (he is far from it), but I love him. I live the Stoick Appreciation Life.

Astrid Hofferson --- Astrid would probably be higher up on the list if she was allowed to do more things outside of Hiccup. I do disagree with the notion I sometimes see tossed around in fandom that she’s nothing but Hiccup’s Love Interest™, because that isn’t true; we see that Astrid has her own interests, hobbies, and activities outside of him, and we also see her bond with other characters outside of him (especially Heather, but the TV show also gave us a couple episodes where she bonded / interacted with the twins outside of him (and had Ruffnut call her out on treating them poorly), and we also see her bond with Snotlout some). We see that she’s excellent at Dragon Racing, and to be honest she had more bonding time and interaction with Eret in the second movie than Hiccup did (for understandable reasons). However, I do think that Astrid does suffer from being Hiccup’s designated love interest at times---that she’s allowed to do things outside of him until whoever is writing the current thing suddenly remembers that she has to be there for Hiccup to save or be doted on by. We see this often in the TV show, wherein she is very often damseled and he is her hero while the reverse really isn’t true, and we also see this in the second movie, wherein the only reason why she was given any attention at all is because she is Hiccup’s fiancée. The rest of the Riders were basically background set pieces in the second movie, and the only reason why Astrid wasn’t is because she’s special because she’s Hiccup’s intended. It’s sad, but true. I love Astrid for a lot of her qualities---her ambition, determination, bravery (which is sometimes recklessness), her spunk and cheer and love for her home---but I also do wish that she wasn’t at times saddled by the burden of being the Love Interest.(With that said, though, I do think the show improved on her relationship with Hiccup. Dean DeBlois said that they were automatically a couple at the end of HTTYD 1, which makes very little sense with Astrid’s character, and in fact sacrifices her character---and any chance at actually developing a relationship between them---for the sake of giving Hiccup a trophy girlfriend. The TV show axes that and instead lets them be friends first, and then (human) best friends, and then lovers. I’ve seen so many people outright bitching about the TV show’s portrayal and saying that it “ruined everything the movies set up,” but the movies set up literal garbage* as far as this ship is concerned, so honestly, the TV show is an improvement. (*Their interactions in the second movie are natural and adorable . . . but make no sense following the nonsense in the first. Their interactions in the second movie make sense when you take in the relationship we saw them build in the TV show. Hence, again, the show was a saving grace. And by the way, these movies are still my favorite movies of all time, but I am allowed to criticize certain aspects, and the Hiccstrid relationship is one aspect I will rightfully criticize and feel was fixed in the show.) 

Viggo Grimborn --- Can we bring him back? Well, no, because he’s dead, and at this point the show has had so many “lol jk” deaths that we need at least one of them to be real, and unfortunately it’s probably going to be his---which is a damn shame, because he’s the most compelling villain this entire series has had yet. Like, Drago got very annoying, very fast with his constant screaming. Viggo? He “speaks softly, but carries a big stick.” He is an absolute threat with the intelligence and army to back up his ambitions, but he’s softer spoken, clever, and keeps his cards close to his chest. He’s absolutely the perfect foil to Hiccup, and I loved seeing their games play out over the course of two seasons. In a way, he was like the Slade to Hiccup’s Robin. It was delightful. Shame his ending had to be such garbage; it was so rushed and out of character and terrible. RIP, Viggo. You will be missed.

Ruffnut Thorston --- Ruffnut is lower than her brother because, unfortunately, she hasn’t been given as much time to shine as him. However, I do love what we’ve seen of her, especially as the seasons have gone on. Whereas Tuffnut is full-on Cloud Cuckoolander, Ruffnut seems to mostly go along with that for funsies. Otherwise, she’s very clearly the more grounded of the two, and in many ways is her brother’s keeper with how protective she is over him (sometimes; other times she’ll happily push him off a cliff, but to be fair he’s always okay). She’s a stark badass who isn’t afraid to speak her mind or face down any threat, downright snarking in the face of men who want to kill her. She also knows what she wants and is unafraid to chase it, though she would do well to learn boundaries (because honestly, Ruff, when Eret says no, he means no). Ruffnut’s great. I hope that, since the show is continuing, she gets even more time to shine.

Eret, son of Eret --- I haven’t actually watched the second movie in ages, which is probably why Eret is so low on this list. If I rewatched it, my Eret love might ignite again. I do like him a lot, though, especially as we see him near the end of the movie, where he has bonded with dragons, is honored to take care of Skullcrusher, and holds that smol child in his arms during the final battle. I really need to rewatch the second movie, but yeah, I like Eret a lot.

Snotlout Jorgenson --- Snotlout, Snotlout, oi oi oi! I think that Snotlout, while he can at times be obnoxious and aggravating, has a lot of depth to him with regards to his insecurities, his difficulties with his father (even worse than Hiccup’s considering Spitelout actually is emotionally abusive to his son), and his difficulties with finding a place he’s comfortable with among the Riders. Hiccup and Snotlout have a very Michael and GOB (from Arrested Development) relationship where they do get along, and in some ways Snotlout would be comfortable with working under Hiccup, but Snotlout often feels pressured to be better than Hiccup and so these two conflicts drive him to do obnoxious things at times. But overall I think that his insecurities are relatable and he’s a great character. Also, while my relationship with Shiloh was very much Hiccup & Toothless, my relationship with Morgan is very Snotlout & Hookfang. It’s uncanny.

Honorable mentions go to: Gobber, Dagur, Gustav, and Trader Johann.

[magnoliasandbeardedtooth]

thoughts/criticism of httyd3 (spoilers)

Just wanted to get my major thoughts together, since it's doesn't quite feel right to just pour them onto someone else's post

Lemme preface this by saying that httyd is my favorite movie series. There are other movies that get very close, but httyd is one of the most heartfelt, humorous, and beautiful movie series I've ever seen, and it will remain my favorite for the foreseeable future

that said, httyd3 is definitely more Hiccup's movie than it is Hiccup and Toothless's movie

The conclusion is very conclusive, and I can't say it's not satisfying. It's delightful to see a little snapshot of the future and know that eventually Hiccup and Toothless interact again and they both still love each other

It's also just as emotional as advertised, I cried multiple times

however, as emotional and solidly conclusive as it was, I feel like the middle lacks some serious characterization

Most of the humans get WONDERFUL characterization, it's very funny and entertaining. The only human I have a question about is Valka, I would have loved to see more motherly moments between her and her newly reunited son, but most moments where they could have interacted, she encourages Astrid to talk with Hiccup instead. And while I adore all the time Hiccup and Astrid spend together compared to httyd2, most of Valka's screen time is getting creeped on by Snotlout. I do really miss seeing Valka be enthusiastic about dragons and her family, and I think just like, one moment of each would have really solidified her in the movie

But really my biggest issue is, of course,  with the dragons

Before getting into the Two Big Dragon Characters, I wanna mention the minor characters

I miss Stormfly!!! the closest thing to characterization we get is when they say goodbye!!! And even then, she and all the other dragons of Berk hardly react when they're all about to leave. The humans are all in tears, and the dragons just kinda, look at them. and then leave

And like, we get the big purple dragon and the baby gronckle, and they're very cute, but I think they could have really used just a couple background moments to solidify their relationship. Honestly, I kept forgetting they existed until they came up on screen for like 3 seconds

And then, there's the major dragons

With Toothless, there was a weirdly small number of characterizing moments with Hiccup before things go to shit. There was the leg fetch scene, which was great, and the moment where he looks back with his new tail, but I can't really think of any other moments where he and Hiccup were able to just, be friends

Even when Toothless carries Hiccup out of the Hidden World, a moment that should be where he becomes torn between the two worlds important to him, he's very flat the entire time. When he sees Hiccup in the hidden world, he orders most of the dragons back and shoves the rest out of the way, but we don't see any worry or frantics from him. He just kind of notices something and then does it

Especially on the way back, he has very little expression. He's not angry, he's not looking back, he's just sort of, flying. This lack of a reaction for either side puts very little stakes in his decision. He's not conflicted about whether to go with the lightfury or to stay with Hiccup, he's just kind of going with the plot.

And speaking of just kind of going with the plot, I really would have liked to see some more interaction between Toothless and the lightfury before they fell in love and such. Of course, there are multiple scenes before they form a solid connection, where they try to understand each other, but the whole reason they keep interacting is because they're already into each other. Like, Toothless finds her in a field, she sees a strange dragon approaching her, and BOOM they're crazy for each other. even then, all those scenes where they try to bond end awkwardly with so little progress

I really would have liked, in the first meeting scene, just a couple little moments where they display character to each other, like at all. Or even better, something a la httyd1, where toothless tries to get her to trust him, to draw some parallels between his relationships with her and Hiccup. I get that that's what the Mating Dance scene was supposed to be, but it comes off less as heartfelt discovery and bonding, and more just, awkward. and it ends badly anyway

In general, the emotional conflict is entirely dependent on the fact that we watched the first 2 movies. If we hadn't, there isn't nearly enough characterization to care about anyone other than Hiccup and most of the human supporting cast. Even Stoic gets more characterization than ALL of the dragons, and all he's dead with 2 flashback scenes

And the last character, the biggest question mark in the whole movie, the Lightfury

Weirdly? Somehow, with as little character as she has, she has more characterizing moments than any of the other dragons.

She's got a total of 3 major traits:

Scared of humans

Horny for Toothless

a Mother now

(the whole, "oh I'm a Mother now, look as I pose graceful and regal and then look knowingly over at my Children, who are only just now visible, for now I am a Mother" trope is so wildly annoying and has been for as long as I can remember, just once I want the character to just be the character and then they get BOWLED over by some kids)

And despite the fact that these are her only main characteristics, we still get more moments to solidify these traits than most of the other dragons get to solidify ANY traits

The lighfury plays a major role in the film, which is supposed to be to teach Toothless how to be a wild dragon again, but like. Where is any of that??

She has no real characteristics for Toothless to fall in love with, and most of the teaching she does is off screen. Both of these issues could be solved in one 3-5 minute scene, where she tries to bond with him by doing Wild Dragon stuff, but they find that he's forgotten how to do them, or that he never got the chance to learn them in the first place. And while she's doing that stuff, she's showing off some character, showing off what she finds fun, and that's when Toothless falls for her, and he has to work to get her to like him more.

Literally just, any character at all would be great

The only other traits she displays, even weakly, is that she doesn't like to get bossed around, and that she cares for strangers enough to not get them trapped, but even warding toothless from the human trap is just another example of the fact that she doesn't like humans

Another big major thing that made her character suffer for me specifically, is that I didn't know if she was trustworthy for like, most of the movie. This is entirely because of her connection to the villain

of course, she’s not connected to the villain, but he’s definitely connected to her. Why did he up and let her go? Why was he so sure she and toothless would like each other? Why was he so sure that she would KEEP trying to approach him? Why DID she keep approaching him when every time she does, it goes bad?

In hindsight, it’s definitely because he’s just that confident in his ability to hunt her down again, and that she just really likes Toothless and wants to teach him how to be wild again, but the fact that this wasn’t obvious from the start really damaged my image of her. Without knowing these things, it made it seem like there was something keeping her tied to the villain, that somehow, interacting with the lightfury would directly lead to a trap, rather than just keep him distracted so he would be easier to get to.

And then of course, there’s her design

Many, many people have talked about this before, both for and against her design. I saw a post that had photos of the artbook, where they discussed the reasoning behind her design. And most of it I have no issue with. The one thing they mentioned that I have a problem with, is the notion that “females are hard to design,” that every element needs to be carefully considered, that a single stray angle could ruin the whole design

and like

no more than any other character design?????

Thing is, I have 0 issue with the fact that she’s femenine, what I take issue with is that she’s Female. I quite like her fish elements, and the fact that she walks like a cat, and that she’s pretty in general. It’s just, she’s So Pretty, every single element to her design is meant to be Pretty. That paired with the fact that she has so little character is a real problem.

This series as a whole has done a good job with their female characters, making them pretty but imperfect, why is this character, one of the most important in the movie, the ONLY ONE that looks like the cover of a magazine???? she looks like a makeup commercial, she looks like a model whose entire portfolio is laying down and looking half-lidded at the camera, she’s a lizard character from a fantasy movie, whose design was carefully deliberated for years, WHY does she look like she was drawn by someone trying to make a lizard SEXY, the only things she’s missing are eyelashes and boobs

she has so much POTENTIAL and they made her Hot and Horny I’m so upset

but, uh, yeah that’s it, thems my thoughts on the finale of my favorite movie series

I’m not opposed to seeing extra content from fanon, but I’m sad that I feel like I need to do so in the first place. I just really wish the dragons got more characterization