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Sorry if I'm late, but if you ever have the time, could you draw a pegasus Longtail? Feel like he'd be fast on his feet as well as his wings, but I haven't thought about some Warrior Cats MLP stuff in forever.
(haircut inspired by the amazing longtail design of @just-some-cat-art)
The number one racer of Thunder Falls, Shockwave is one of the dozen Thestral-blooded ponies in the Four Towns - his father was one! Call him Shocker, Hotshot, or Rudecolt, he IS the fastest being in the skies. His talent however, lies in his voice - he can project so loudly that glass shatters and clouds break apart, throw it across a room, and imitate just about any voice he hears.
He quickly became an antagonist to the recently moved in Rusty Sparks, but after finding out that the stallion he admired was a literal monster AND a massive racist, Shockwave started to cool off towards the earth pony. Their friendship wasn't cemented until Rusty helped save the life of Swift, Shockwave's rising star of a student, from an Umbrum attack. He was even the one that suggested Rusty Sparks change his name to Flaming Comet.
Eventually, Shockwave was attacked by an Umbrum infected Diamond Dog and partially blinded. He thought his flying days were over, but with the encouragement of his friends, he figured out how to echolocate through the skies, with goggles to protect his eyes. He one day will race Rainbow Dash herself, and run his own flight school for special needs students, with his old coach friend Swift Sprint.
#my art#hello from the void#ask answered#warrior cats#warriors#warrior cats au#mlp#mlp au#my little pony#my little pony au#crossover#mlp x warriors#my little pony x warrior cats#my little warriors#longtail#fireheart (mentioned)#Swiftpaw (mentioned)#Runningwind (mentioned)
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Is there any discussion in the Warriors fandom of how badly Brightheart would've had to be mauled to lose half of her face and an eye?
Like I know there's art that implies it (usually in AMVs/PMVs and MAPs) but is there much actual discussion of it? Her face would've had to been bitten enough to not kill her but also tear off her fur and tear out her eye. It almost makes me wonder if the only reason Brightpaw didn't die is because Swiftpaw attacked the dog that was attacking her and forced it to drop her, because Brightpaw should've probably been dead if the dogs were given a chance to maul her so severely, because it's implied they didn't bite down. What probably happened is that one of the dogs grabbed her with intention of killing her, Swiftpaw attacked the dog that was attacking Brightpaw, and the dog attacking Brightpaw dropped her, potentially snagging a tooth on her eye in the process, then directed the dogs' attention onto him and away from Brightpaw.
This turn of events doesn't contradict Secrets of the Clans either; Brightpaw says the last thing she remembered was being slammed against a rock. This is the specific bit that describes 1, Brightheart not remembering when Swiftpaw was killed, and 2, the last thing she remembered before waking up in the medicine cat den:
"I don’t know when the end came for Swiftpaw. I only remember him fighting like all of LionClan. That’s how I will always remember him.
Then I was shaken loose. I felt light as air. I slammed against rock, and everything went dark."
It doesn't contradict Swiftpaw attacking the dog that was holding Brightpaw and that being what she felt and why she survived the initial attack, and honestly it makes me really sad.
#every few months i remember swiftpaw and brightpaw's story and it breaks my heart#warrior cats#swiftpaw#brightheart#tw mention of death#tw mention of gore#ALSO this is a genuine question. i am not active enough in the warriors fandom to know lmao
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Does anyone else ever think about how Bramblestar & Tawnypelt's older (half-)brother was killed by their father?
It's a shame that nothing was really ever done with the fact that Swiftpaw was Goldenflower's kit and that he was killed by the dogs that Tigerclaw had involved in his plots against Thunderclan.
Do you think Bramblestar & Tawnypelt ever really thought about it? Do they even remember Swiftpaw? Did they even really process what went into his death or what his death meant?
#I'm thinking sad things about my blorbos again#Swiftpaw is getting rotated in my mind#warrior cats#swiftpaw#brambleclaw#bramblestar#tawnypelt#tw animal death#tw animal death mention
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Religion in Swiftpaw's wish
Inspired by @theoriginalkittypet's lion god au
There were once three gods, Lion [Andromedous], Tigress [Neutraliss], and Leopard [Saggitaro]. Bored of their loneliness in the darkness of the void, they created four domains: The domain of Good, the domain of Mediocrity, the domain of Bad, and the domain of the Living.
Lion took the domain of Good as his main haven, Tigress the domain of Mediocrity, and Leopard the domain of Bad. They all agreed to rule over the fourth domain equally, as the living's recollection of them was what would keep them alive from now on. Things went well for a while; They created twolegs and cats first, and then dogs. After, came the animals of prey, and later the animals intended to keep Cat populations from soaring.
As many many centuries passed, cats began to idolize Lion, fear Leopard, and ignore Tigress. This lead to animosity between the three friends, as Lion's ego grew, Tigress's confidence shrank, and Leopard's concern began to plague their interactions with their friends. Leopard did their best to support Tigress, but she was too downtrodden by the mortal's lackluster opinions of her. Meanwhile, they tried to reason with Lion, but he became increasingly more frustrated with the mortals, as they each had their individual ways of respecting and worshiping him, many of which did not line up with his word.
Many years of this all went by, and eventually, Leopard was sent a cowering, terrified molly - Frecklewish - from Lion's domain. Angry, Leopard started reforming the domain of Bad, shaping it to have levels catered to your level of bad. Many cats who weren't entirely good, but were not one to acknowledge Tigress in life, wound up in their domain, so they made it so that those cats had a safe place to live in their domain. They took a liking to Frecklewish in particular, and decided to make the poor terrified molly their messenger (much to the much worse mapleshade's anger).
Impressed by this new idea, Tigress began looking for her own messenger, as Leopard's relationship with the other two began clearing up due to their use of their beloved messenger. Tigress chose a member of the Sisters who wound up in the domain of Mediocrity, despite having been decently good in life, and her new messenger began teaching her to be confident again. Unfortunately, around this time, Tigress found signs and prophetic warnings that she was fading. It would take a millennia or two, but because of Lion's polarized views, she was being forgotten, and slowly dying. So, she conceived a plan with Frecklewish and Leopard: Convince Lion to send an aspect of each deity to the domain of Living in order to renew belief in their true selves, rather than the selves that Lion and his followers had been spreading.
Lion remained adamant for a long time that he would not do this. He, in all his darkened glory, had grown embellished in his beliefs and saw himself as the one true god over his old friends. It wasn't until the forest clans borne a cat with a striking resemblance to a lion that he began to consider their proposition. This cat, Lionkit (later Lionheart), became his favorite, a living reminder of his old glory. He strove to become like this cat as the cat grew and became an intelligent and wise adult, and was proud to witness him become a deputy in his clan. Unfortunately, he was killed defending his clan in a traitorous rally, and upon joining the domain of Good, Lionheart was given a choice: Become Lion's messenger, or remain on the lower levels of Good, bordering Mediocrity for the rest of his afterlife.
Lionheart, shocked but happy to receive the blessing of being Lion's messenger, accepted the less-than-optimal ultimatum, and joined Lion. Slowly but surely, he worked with Frecklewish and Starlight (Tigress's messenger) to get Lion to agree, and by the time the legendary Firestar had kits with Sandstorm, they convinced him to send a prophecy - The prophecy of the Three - to the domain of the living. The three - Hollyleaf (Tigress), Lionblaze (Lion), and Jayfeather (Leopard) - would be their aspects in the domain of the Living until death, in which they would become advisors to the gods.
It was the three's job to restore faith and content in the gods, and they would have to start by fixing the structure of the clans. The plan was for the main one of the trio to be Holly(Snow)leaf - An albino tom (later molly) with spiky fur and red eyes - to be Tigress's mortal self, and to spread the word that things must be changed if everyone is to survive in sanctity and peace. (Hollow)Lionblaze, a near-melonistic molly (later tom) with red undertones, would show that Lion is not the perfect deity everyone assumed him to be. And finally, Jay(Amber)feather, a golden tabby tom (later molly) with unusual spots, would be there to represent the anger Leopard felt for the mistreatment of cats by Lion and Tigress.
Upon their maturing, and the discovery of their heritage, things went horribly against the plan. Hollyleaf killed Ashfur, and then revealed Leafpool's secret to the whole of the clans. (S)He was unable to be contacted anymore, as the last cat (s)he was seen with was Sol, and Tigress began to grow ill. She soon resurfaced, now going by Snowleaf and using she/her pronouns, and everyone was so relieved that they sent down their messengers to follow her for a little bit. During this time, Snowleaf and Ivypaw became friends, and they began talking about how to change the code and the clans...
... And so, the deities recalled their beloved messengers, and the world breathed a sigh of relief. The prophecy would be fulfilled.
#swiftpaw's wish#warrior cats#swiftstar au#hollyleaf#warriors god concept#as an aside: their real names are mentioned but not used because they cannot properly translate these names into catspeak.#also the threes' appearances are relevant to the appearances of the deities.#yes dove is scrapped as a member of the three for a reason.
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the fact that the new graphic novel acknowledges that longtail and swiftpaw and ravenpaw and dustpelt are brothers is wild
though it's kind of weird cause like longtail is ALSO ravenpaw and dustpelt's brother, but swiftpaw is not ravenpaw and dustpelt's brother lmao
obviously it would have been awkward to say all of that when fireheart was just mentioning how he's jealous of cats with siblings and was just listing two sets of brothers, but still lol
#warrior cats#warrior cats graphic novel#i was gonna say maybe he should've mentioned two other siblings like frostfur and brindleface but then i remembered#they're also ravenpaw and dustpelt's older siblings lmao#though maybe he should've just listed all five of them as siblings lmao#maybe he should've mentioned mousefur and runningwind instead i dunno
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another poll. but this one's significant
i have collected opinions from ye olde warrior cats fans on the warrior cats official facts discord. they provided the nominees but You. will vote on who wins. kinda like the oscars i guess but we are all the academy
honorary mentions
-somewhere only we know 3d remake
-dixie boy mapleshade amv
-king and lionheart
(all were brought up as options but voted off to keep the poll within 12 options)
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Swiftpaw
First Mention: Fire and Ice (chapter 1; page 14)
#warrior cats#warriors#wc#warriors design#character design#swiftpaw#swiftkit#apprentice#thunderclan#fire and ice#the prophecies begin
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I have a gripe and it makes me so angry because I still see it!!! When people make Swiftpaw CHILD SIZED despite the fact that HE IS LITERALLY AN ADULT AND THAT IS WHY HE WAS PISSED THAT BLUESTAR WOULDN’T GIVE HIM A WARRIOR NAME. Fireheart even mentions he was as big as Longtail and the reason he goes to the dogs is because HE IS TOO OLD TO BE AN APPRENTICE!!!!
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Are there any warrior cags u head can on with personality disorders? For me, HollyLeaf, Squilf and Breezey-P all have NPD and Breeze has ASPD too and so does dovewing but this is just off the top of my head. I think CinderHeart would have BPD too and maybe Jayf has ASPD aswell. I think Ivy would have OCD 2 ^^
See honestly I agree wwvith ALL of those, but also- (and these are mostly arc one cats bc I'm rewwvriting arc one rn so their In My Brain)
Moral Ocd firestar and Hollyleaf (don't knowwv if this counts but also My House My Rules Wwve Mention This Shit)
Npd bluestar, silverstream, deadfoot, and russetfur.
Aspd spottedleaf, frostfur, sandstorm, leafpool, and feathertail
Bpd Longtail, Goldenflower, Swiftpaw(this is wwvhat him and Long bonded ovvwer the heavvwiest I imagine) graystripe, cloudtail, yellowfang, and squilf.
I'vvwe got more, but these are the ones that come to mind!
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it’s been a hot minute since ive read warrior cats so i just wanted to ask what the relationship between ferncloud and brightheart is? and in turn the general premise of your coming surrounding them? im really interested!!
It has been a hot minute since i've touched a book too, anybody is free to correct me but. In canon, they really just were apprentices at the same time.
If you wana pepe silvia it up, it should be noted that the books however included that:
Fernpaw and Ashpaw's mother is killed by the dogs
Swiftpaw would invite Fernpaw (and Ashpaw) to find out what's been out there hunting down Thunderclanners (It should be stated that Swiftpaw, I think, did this for his Warrior name and wanted support. I don't know if there was ever any mentioned other noble cause on saving his Clan or specifically his apprentice denmates)
Brightpaw and Swiftpaw leave, that whole tragedy happens.
Fernpaw is the one to confess to Fireheart (and Cloudtail, I think?) about where the missing Swiftpaw and Brightpaw's whereabouts are. Which, theoretically helps Brightpaw be found in time.
The book never really shows them interacting otherwise, as far as I can remember, but Ferncloud and Brightheart also most likely shared time in the nursery together since they have kittens around the same era... which you never see because that's in between The Prophecies Begin and The New Prophecy, and Whitepaw is an apprentice by then.
Basically I'm making mountains over underdeveloped molehills over side characters, but I think with what's given, there's a lot of emotional exploration to be had over it, while still feeling in-line with canon!
I should say as well, I was all particularly inspired by this because a couple of Warriors videos ('Danse Macabre', 'No one, Everyone, Your mama') both included a shot of Fernpaw watching them leave in the night. It's such a simple thing to include, but there's a lot of weight to seeing your friends the very moment they leave to go on a suicide mission and one of them never coming back! What would have happened if you broke their trust and just told on them to not leave! Is it your fault they died!?
Soooo with all that being said, and my absolute hunger for just... more interpersonal relationships between characters in Warriors (which they fail me for even the main characters), there's a lot of strong potential in this.
With my take on Brightheart and Ferncloud, I just see them as really good or bonded friends who grew up together. They go through a lot through shared trauma, and based on the tidbits of personality given for both of them, I think they also would get along. Fernpaw being timid, Brightpaw being caring for others. In my comic I've added a bit to also imply Brightheart agreed to go with Swiftpaw not only to support him but to do it for Fernpaw/Ashpaw as well. I hesitate to put any further label on it since... well, their children get together romantically so it would add to the tangle of bloodlines, but I def can see it as how some childhood friends have sibling bonds.
For the comic... you will have to see exactly what happens! It's short, chill. Mostly conversational, just like the Shrewpaw/Ferncloud one but i hope it still hits emotional beats. I think something just fun to chew on while I make it is... How would it feel to watch your friends try hunt something that killed your mother, and only one survives, coming out of it extremely shaken. What would seeing her again feel like.
Perhaps I have talked to much, but I actually planned to do an extension of this comic where it timeskips further on where all the apprentices, grown up, visit Swiftpaw's grave.... but I decided against this because. 1. This is already a lot of work to do this many pages. 2. It's gonna be pretty long already, and I do not like making extremely long posts on tumblr. 3. I found a different way to end the comic I preferred.
Here's the script. Perhaps maybe I'll touch on it another while but admittedly after this I may be tired of exploring the Dog Incident for a bit.
Thank you for being so kind and inquiring! It's very fun, I enjoyed explaining this.
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The Genetic Journey of Two Sisters: an Analysis of ThunderClan’s Gene Pool
Flashnose and Daisytoe made their debut in Goosefeather’s Curse, and are revealed to be sisters born to unknown parents. Although these sisters fade into the rest of ThunderClan’s old history, their genetics encompass the entirety of ThunderClan, bleeding into two other Clans. Here is an analysis of their profound genetic impact, starting with Flashnose. (Cats who’s names are red have kits)
Flashnose + unknown tom have a single daughter together: Swiftbreeze. Later in life, Swiftbreeze and Adderfang have five children: Leopardfoot, Patchpelt, Redtail, Spottedleaf, and Willowpelt. Leopardfoot and Pinestar have Tigerstar, Mistkit, and Nightkit. Patchpelt and Goldenflower have Swiftpaw & Lynxkit, while with Robinwing, he has Longtail. Willowpelt, with unknown toms, have Darkstripe & Graystripe. With Whitestorm, she has Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, and Sootfur.
→ Tigerstar and Goldenflower have Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt, and with Sasha, Tadpole, Hawkfrost and Mothwing. Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight have Sparkpelt, Alderheart, Dandelionkit, and Juniperkit. Sparkpelt and Larksong have Nightheart, Finchlight, and Flickerkit. Tawnypelt and Rowanclaw have Tigerstar II, Dawnpelt, and Flametail. Tigerstar II and Dovewing have Lightleap, Shadowsight, Pouncestep, Birchpaw, and Rowankit, while Dawnpelt and Crowfrost have Strikestone, Sleekwhisker, and Juniperclaw.
→ Graystripe and Silverstream have Feathertail and Stormfur, and with Millie, he also fathers Briarlight, Blossomfall, and Bumblestripe. Stormfur and Brook have Pine that Clings to Rock, Lark that Sings at Dawn, Feather of Flying Hawk, and Breeze that Rustles the Leaves. Blossomfall and Thornclaw have Stemleaf, Shellfur, Plumstone, and Eaglewing. Stemleaf and Spotfur have Stempaw, Graypaw, and Bristlepaw.
→ Sorreltail and Brackenfur have Cinderheart, Poppyfrost, Honeyfern, Molepaw, Lilyheart, and Seedpaw. Cinderheart and Lionblaze have Fernsong, Sorrelstripe, Hollytuft, Spotfur, Snaptooth, and Flywhisker. Fernsong and Ivypool have Thriftear, Flipclaw, and Bristlefrost. Sorrelstripe and Dewnose have Bayshine and Myrtlebloom. Spotfur, as previously mentioned has Stempaw, Graypaw, and Bristlepaw with Stemleaf. Thriftear and Bayshine have Moonpaw.
→ Poppyfrost and Berrynose have Cherryfall and Molewhisker.
→ Lilyheart and Snowbush have Larksong, Honeyfur, and Leafshade. As previously mentioned, Larksong and Sparkpelt have Nightheart, Finchlight, and Flickerkit.
This wraps up Flashnose’s genetic line, moving us into Daisytoe’s genetic line.
Daisytoe and Rooktail had Moonflower and Goosefeather. Moonflower and Stormtail had Bluestar and Snowfur. Bluestar and Oakheart had Mistystar, Stonefur, and Mosskit. Mistystar and Blackclaw had Reedwhisker, Primrosepaw, Pikepaw, and Perchkit. Snowfur and Thistleclaw had Whitestorm. Whitestorm and Brindleface had Ferncloud, Ashfur, Elderkit, and Tulipkit. With Willowpelt, he also had Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, and Sootfur. Ferncloud and Dustpelt had Spiderleg, Shrewpaw, Birchfall, Larchkit, Hollykit, Foxleap, and Icecloud. Spiderleg and Daisy had Toadstep and Rosepetal. Birchfall and Whitewing had Dovewing and Ivypool, who’s mates & kits were previously mentioned.
Although Daisytoe and Flashnose’s bloodlines began separately, they converge at certain points (i.e. Whitestorm x Willowpelt, Tigerstar II x Dovewing) to form an extensive genetic pool that is responsible for 30/46= 65% of the current ThunderClan population (as of Wind) & 6/30= 20% of the current ShadowClan population. Holy shit.
I’d add Robinwing x Fuzzypelt as an honorable mention, but given the fact that their son (Dustpelt) and their granddaughter (Ferncloud) have kits, their line merges with Daisytoe’s since her great-grandson is Whitestorm, who’s also Ferncloud’s father. Alternatively, we could focus on Frostfur, but since both of her sons took mates from Flashnose’s genetic line, their entire family line is one with Daisytoe & Flashnose’s.
Times like this make me feel very fortunate that certain information was retconned. If the fact that Redtail & Brindleface had Sandstorm remained canon, this would make Squirrelstar, Leafpool, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf all related to Flashnose. Which raises that ThunderClan percentage from 65% to 76%. This would also make Lionblaze and Cinderheart related.
Seeing how much ThunderClan grew from these pair of sisters is always a “wow” moment for me. Their spirits have likely faded from StarClan’s ranks, but I can’t help but wonder if they ever looked down on their descendants and felt proud of how big their families have grown.
I’ve never seen the exact percentages before that’s absolutely wild. It’s insane how these one off characters that no fan would really remember otherwise, let alone remember they are sisters, have ultimately become the root of most of the current ThunderClan incest problems.
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I really do need to reread books 4-6 of the prophecy begins so I can get my hands on the scenes of Goldenflower interacting with swiftpaw and her response to his death because I genuinely don't remember much content. Like most of the focus is on bramblekit and partially on Tawny. Which makes sense since their father is literally the main antagonist.
But with how reactive Goldenflower was to any cruelty lobbied at Tawny and Bramble, it's unfortunate that it doesn't seem like the authors were as on top of things when it came to displaying her love for Swiftpaw to the same degree. Like make her a menace after tigerstar is exiled. She goes from a docile and calm woman who is pragmatic and known for simply going along with what leadership commands, to someone who I'd actively in the faces of Bluestar and Fireheart when swiftpaw starts getting negatively effected by things.
Swiftpaw being embarrassed to see his mother causing trouble but also somewhat being happy she has his back and wants him to get what he's owed. With the knowledge that she and Bluestar were at least on friendly terms at one point, I would've killed for offhand mentions of her trying to talk reason into Bluestar only for the crumbling of the bits of their friendship that were left to be sprinkled into the narrative. A friendship that dies alongside any good will Goldenflower had towards Tigerclaw the moment Swiftpaw dies.
Tigerclaw getting her eldest son killed and her only daughter racing into his arms while goldenflower can't stop it and instead simply has to fume and quietly rage at everything happening around her that she couldn't control that shattered her family.
I know the Erin's were juggling a lot of plotlines, but truly focusing on Swiftpaw and Goldenflower could've added even more depth and pain to his eventual death.
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wow so many things were different in the graphic novel adaptation of fire and ice
the entire battle with riverclan after fireheart and graystripe trespass on their territory is glossed over, and its implied it didn’t even really happen, just that they were chased off. this means whiteclaw isn’t thrown over the gorge by graystripe (meaning leopardfur doesn’t have a valid reason to hate him) and fireheart doesn’t save sandpaw from falling over the gorge.
barkface never receives the prophecy/warning about the pink cloud. i’m using this as further proof that whiteclaw didn’t die until proven otherwise
cinderpaw, brackenpaw and swiftpaw are all apprenticed at the same time. brightkit hasn’t even been seen so far.
since fireheart meets princess in the first book instead of smudge, him and cinderpaw don’t chase her off thinking she’s a strange cat. in fact princess doesn’t show up at all in fire and ice.
fireheart doesn’t follow graystripe when he leaves camp to meet with silverstream, so he never gets to meet silverstream again before they meet in battle in windclan camp.
fireheart also doesn’t fight graystripe because he’s sick and tired of keeping his secret for him and taking on all of his responsibilities.
bluestar doesn’t catch greencough and therefore doesn’t lose a life.
cinderpaw doesn’t get hit by a car yet. the whole plot line about tigerclaw trying to lure bluestar out to the thunderpath is entirely skipped over.
because princess isn’t seen or mentioned in this adaptation of fire and ice, fireheart doesn’t get to know that she’s pregnant and doesn’t get to take cloudkit into the clan with him yet.
brindleface isn’t mentioned to have had her kits, though they’re probably saving this for when they introduce cloudkit.
there are no accusations of trespassing at the gathering because of brokenstar and his lackeys trying to find a place to live. also brokenstar isn’t defeated and taken as prison in this book. he isn’t mentioned in fire and ice at all besides graystripe telling ravenpaw he killed his own father. the only gathering shown is the one that takes place before windclan is returned home.
spottedleaf doesn’t give fireheart a warning that one of his clan mates is untrustworthy, which would’ve lead to fireheart suspecting graystripe for some reason. over all the tension between fireheart and graystripe in this book has been significantly reduced.
dustpaw and sandpaw don’t become warriors yet.
instead of ending with fireheart and graystripe making up (which still happens it’s just not the end of the book), there’s an additional scene where fireheart and the others return to camp and cinderpaw excitedly asks him if they won. obviously this doesn’t happen in the original book because cinderpaw was recovering in the medicine den at the time.
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i made full "canon" allegiances for the start of fire and ice: google doc link
this is a part of a series im doing where i've made the full allegiances for the first book of every arc in order. now i'm making allegiances for other main series books
here is the masterpost for all the allegiances
"canon" is in quotations because a lot of this is guesswork about who logically would be around at that point in time, but aren't listed in the allegiances or mentioned in the book
this is mainly meant to be a resource for fanworks
general stuff that's still the same as last time:
wiki pages are linked to character's names
med cat = cleric
characters are listed by age. where there are no concrete ages, i make my best guess
tc is the only clan without a "kit" rank as all kits born into or taken into the clan have known parents
this is where things start to get pretty messy due to the sheer number of prequel cats i need to make decisions about, pretty much entirely in rc and sc. i'll provide insight into why the ones i have listed are still around as these prequel cats do just tend to randomly fall off the timeline with no explanation or canonical deaths
thunderclan:
cinderkit and brackenkit are listed as kits instead of apprentices bc they are not apprenticed until like 100 pages in
swiftpaw is still listed as an apprentice bc he is apprenticed in like the first chapter
ashkit, fernkit, and tulipkit are listed. elderkit is already dead and tulipkit dies this book
shadowclan:
they lose a LOT of cats from the previous allegiances due to their last mentioned appearances being at the end of yellowfang's secret and not a lot of them reappearing in exile from shadowclan or tigerclaw's fury
whitepaw/whitethroat - not mentioned until rising storm, but needs to be a warrior by then. i made him a kit in the itw allegiances and thus now he's an apprentice
applepaw/applefur and ratpaw/ratscar - not mentioned until tigerclaw's fury but need to be warriors by then. i made them kits in the itw allegiances and thus they are now apprentices
brightflower, crowtail, archeye, featherstorm, hollyflower - alive and rejoined shadowclan's camps at the end of exile from shadowclan
volewhisper - alive and rejoined shadowclan's camp at the end of exile from shadowclan, but specifically needs to die before blackfoot returns due to continuity issues with blackfoot's reckoning
ashheart - not mentioned or listed in tpb, but alive bc she needs to make semi-canon kits with cinderfur in rising storm
scorchwind - not mentioned or listed in tpb, but alive bc he needs to make rowanstar and cedarheart with darkflower
rowanberry, deerfoot, flintfang, and fernshade - are in tigerclaw's fury
wolfstep - is mentioned to still be alive when tigerclaw first comes to shadowclan in blackfoot's reckoning
riverclan:
mistyfoot - reedwhisker is not listed because i've gone with the timeline given in tnp for him. mistyfoot's other kits are listed
mosspelt - listed as a warrior instead of an expecting queen as her and silverstream's kits need to be close enough in age for her to feed/foster them, and graystripe and silverstream haven't even met yet
mallowtail and birdsong - they are still around after shadepelt and heavystep receive their full names
frogleap - he dies later
grasswhisker, shimmerpelt, lakeshine, cedarpelt, piketooth, and timberfur - mentioned to be alive after the flood that kills frogleap
beetlenose, ottersplash, sedgecreek, voleclaw, and vixenleap - mentioned to join tigerclan and/or lionclan, so they are safe for the entirely of tpb
rippleclaw and emberdawn - are at nightpelt's first gathering as a leader
skyheart and reedtail - need to make kits together in mothwing's secret, so they are safe for the entirety of tpb
windclan:
thrushwing - again, the canonnity of her character is questionable, but windclan needs more she-cats. there's also an unnamed non-morningflower tortoiseshell mentioned a couple times and i think she works fine to fill in that vague role
morningflower - the way that she and gorsekit are described make it sound like she gave birth like the day before fireheart and graystripe showed up, so she is tagged with (expecting kits)
tawnykit/tawnyfur - an apprentice in rising storm and a warrior in a dangerous path, so she is likely a kit around this time
eaglekit (ashfoot's kit) - not listed bc i think they have died
elders - there are about 5 unnamed elders described while windclan is crossing the road. the only specific elders that have strong cases to be around are crowfur (he is in a forest of secrets) and cloudrunner (he is gorsepaw's father)
i have them listed under rogues and loners, but sometime during this book it's likely that stagleap and sorrelshine rejoin windclan after the clan returns to their territory
cats outside clans:
shadowclan exiles get their own group
stagleap (wc) and sorrelshine are listed here
princess is listed as (expecting kits) as cloudtail has not been born yet
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also, swiftpaw is in my re-write now, only in a completely different situation from canon, he's actually one of longtail's littermates who dies during the famine and sickness in thunderclan by chasing a quail across the thunderpath in desperation to feed his clan and especially his sick sister, quickpaw, but gets hit by a monster
so he's actually kind of swiftpaw, but with shrewpaw's fate meshed together since shrewpaw doesn't die as an apprentice in my re-write, the only reason why it's a quail instead of a pheasant is because it feels weird using the exact same prey as what happened with shrewpaw when that's the ONLY time the cats ever mention hunting pheasants (i think) so that would feel too... copying
also runningwind was his mentor and runningwind blames himself for swiftpaw's death because he's the one that told swiftpaw they had to catch this prey no matter what and he hadn't realized how close to the thunderpath they were, he tried to call him back, but it was too late
and that's why runningwind never gets another apprentice, he doesn't want one, he doesn't think he's a good mentor because he feels like he failed swiftpaw
#my re-write#whether or not he is a good mentor is kind of subjective#but he doesn't want to make that kind of mistake again
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Now I'm curious, I need to know how many bloodlines are dead, like Bluestar's is just tragic
WELL, it's a question without a straight answer. Bluestar's bloodline isn't "dead" but it's not "alive" either. It's a secret third thing. I'm calling it Schrodinger's Bloodline in my head.
In RiverClan, ShadowClan, and WindClan, there's a "missing generation" gap in-between TPB and TNP where a ton of "Orphan Warriors" suddenly appear. For a series that's hypothetically supposed to have legacy as a major theme, in practice, only ThunderClan is allowed to remember their grandparents lmao. So that means that Reedwhisker COULD have had children... but we don't know.
The only direct lines that cross that Missing Generation Gap we have tracked outside of Thunder and Sky are;
The Palebird Line (Tallstar, Onestar, Heathertail)
The Hickorynose Line (Deadfoot, Sorrelshine, Whitetail. Completely absorbed by the Palebird line)
The Scorchwind Line (Rowanstar)
So, any other non-ThunderClan family tree that you can think of is "gone", or more accurately, in the Schrodinger's Bloodline box. Yellowfang's entire family is gone. Blackstar's family is gone. Crookedstar's family is gone.
The TRULY DEAD lines in Warrior Cats are within SkyClan and ThunderClan. And by the way it's INSANE how inbred SkyClan, The Kittypet Guys, became in less than 3 generations. It's AWFUL.
This is because the writers have a really bad habit of "quantity over quality" in terms of which cats they choose to "breed." They'll pick "super parents" in a generation, essentially, have them produce 4 - 7 kittens, and then choose 3 of them to become the parents of the next generation. Clovertail, Snowbird, Robinwing, Swiftbreeze... and basically they irrevocably fuck up the genetic diversity completely.
(and then they forget they did it and ignore their own shitty tree, because if they didn't, they would completely prevent shipping within several generations. Dustpelt being Ferncloud's uncle, Spottedleaf being Tigerclaw's aunt, Brightheart and Swiftpaw being 1st cousins, Thrushpelt being Thistleclaw's brother, all things the writers completely forget... if you treat canon like scripture, you'll eat yourself alive.)
But anyway, tangents aside, lines that are entirely dead within ThunderClan;
Thrushpelt, Dappletail. This little branch is dead.
Sunstar's line is dead
One-Eye's kits, Runningwind and Mousefur, had none of their own
Doestar's line is dead
Not to mention the orphan warriors. Hollypelt, Rockfall, Weedwhisker...
So, in a nutshell, the list of "living" lines is shorter than the list of 'dead' lines. This is because the lines in most side clans aren't tracked, and in Thunder and Sky, bloodlines bunch up through genetic bottlenecks like Adderswift/Robinfuzzy/Clovertail.
#bone babble#warrior cats family tree#I see folks talking about how they don't really care if there's orphan warriors but like... I do#Because what I LIKE about warriors is its unique premise#Following characters that grow up quickly and following several generations#It doesn't use this concept very well (and I've done the homework to prove it) but in theory?#there is nothing else like it.#There's no other series like WC#And I think they've dropped the ball in not defining some Families/Nests/Crests what have you and talking about their unique problems#Something you can see me trying to fix with Whitedragon and the Houndstar Line#The Firekin shouldn't be the only family out here who's allowed to talk about legacy!!#And hell even the Tigerkin have gotten over it aside from offhanded laughter at Leafstar for a social faux pas
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