#Swiftpaw (mentioned)

[branchclangen]

Moon 79

Happy pride month. <3

Comments and reblogs would be so appreciated for this moon. It’s one of my favorites that I’ve written and drawn (so far).

[theanoninyourinbox]

Sorry if I'm late, but if you ever have the time, could you draw a pegasus Longtail? Feel like he'd be fast on his feet as well as his wings, but I haven't thought about some Warrior Cats MLP stuff in forever.

(haircut inspired by the amazing longtail design of @just-some-cat-art)

The number one racer of Thunder Falls, Shockwave is one of the dozen Thestral-blooded ponies in the Four Towns - his father was one! Call him Shocker, Hotshot, or Rudecolt, he IS the fastest being in the skies. His talent however, lies in his voice - he can project so loudly that glass shatters and clouds break apart, throw it across a room, and imitate just about any voice he hears.

He quickly became an antagonist to the recently moved in Rusty Sparks, but after finding out that the stallion he admired was a literal monster AND a massive racist, Shockwave started to cool off towards the earth pony. Their friendship wasn't cemented until Rusty helped save the life of Swift, Shockwave's rising star of a student, from an Umbrum attack. He was even the one that suggested Rusty Sparks change his name to Flaming Comet.

Eventually, Shockwave was attacked by an Umbrum infected Diamond Dog and partially blinded. He thought his flying days were over, but with the encouragement of his friends, he figured out how to echolocate through the skies, with goggles to protect his eyes. He one day will race Rainbow Dash herself, and run his own flight school for special needs students, with his old coach friend Swift Sprint.

[jynxedshapeshifter]

Is there any discussion in the Warriors fandom of how badly Brightheart would've had to be mauled to lose half of her face and an eye?

Like I know there's art that implies it (usually in AMVs/PMVs and MAPs) but is there much actual discussion of it? Her face would've had to been bitten enough to not kill her but also tear off her fur and tear out her eye. It almost makes me wonder if the only reason Brightpaw didn't die is because Swiftpaw attacked the dog that was attacking her and forced it to drop her, because Brightpaw should've probably been dead if the dogs were given a chance to maul her so severely, because it's implied they didn't bite down. What probably happened is that one of the dogs grabbed her with intention of killing her, Swiftpaw attacked the dog that was attacking Brightpaw, and the dog attacking Brightpaw dropped her, potentially snagging a tooth on her eye in the process, then directed the dogs' attention onto him and away from Brightpaw.

This turn of events doesn't contradict Secrets of the Clans either; Brightpaw says the last thing she remembered was being slammed against a rock. This is the specific bit that describes 1, Brightheart not remembering when Swiftpaw was killed, and 2, the last thing she remembered before waking up in the medicine cat den:

"I don’t know when the end came for Swiftpaw. I only remember him fighting like all of LionClan. That’s how I will always remember him.

Then I was shaken loose. I felt light as air. I slammed against rock, and everything went dark."

It doesn't contradict Swiftpaw attacking the dog that was holding Brightpaw and that being what she felt and why she survived the initial attack, and honestly it makes me really sad.

[boilingrain]

Does anyone else ever think about how Bramblestar & Tawnypelt's older (half-)brother was killed by their father?

It's a shame that nothing was really ever done with the fact that Swiftpaw was Goldenflower's kit and that he was killed by the dogs that Tigerclaw had involved in his plots against Thunderclan.

Do you think Bramblestar & Tawnypelt ever really thought about it? Do they even remember Swiftpaw? Did they even really process what went into his death or what his death meant?

[those-weird-twolegs]

Religion in Swiftpaw's wish

Inspired by @theoriginalkittypet's lion god au

There were once three gods, Lion [Andromedous], Tigress [Neutraliss], and Leopard [Saggitaro]. Bored of their loneliness in the darkness of the void, they created four domains: The domain of Good, the domain of Mediocrity, the domain of Bad, and the domain of the Living.

Lion took the domain of Good as his main haven, Tigress the domain of Mediocrity, and Leopard the domain of Bad. They all agreed to rule over the fourth domain equally, as the living's recollection of them was what would keep them alive from now on. Things went well for a while; They created twolegs and cats first, and then dogs. After, came the animals of prey, and later the animals intended to keep Cat populations from soaring.

As many many centuries passed, cats began to idolize Lion, fear Leopard, and ignore Tigress. This lead to animosity between the three friends, as Lion's ego grew, Tigress's confidence shrank, and Leopard's concern began to plague their interactions with their friends. Leopard did their best to support Tigress, but she was too downtrodden by the mortal's lackluster opinions of her. Meanwhile, they tried to reason with Lion, but he became increasingly more frustrated with the mortals, as they each had their individual ways of respecting and worshiping him, many of which did not line up with his word.

Many years of this all went by, and eventually, Leopard was sent a cowering, terrified molly - Frecklewish - from Lion's domain. Angry, Leopard started reforming the domain of Bad, shaping it to have levels catered to your level of bad. Many cats who weren't entirely good, but were not one to acknowledge Tigress in life, wound up in their domain, so they made it so that those cats had a safe place to live in their domain. They took a liking to Frecklewish in particular, and decided to make the poor terrified molly their messenger (much to the much worse mapleshade's anger).

Impressed by this new idea, Tigress began looking for her own messenger, as Leopard's relationship with the other two began clearing up due to their use of their beloved messenger. Tigress chose a member of the Sisters who wound up in the domain of Mediocrity, despite having been decently good in life, and her new messenger began teaching her to be confident again. Unfortunately, around this time, Tigress found signs and prophetic warnings that she was fading. It would take a millennia or two, but because of Lion's polarized views, she was being forgotten, and slowly dying. So, she conceived a plan with Frecklewish and Leopard: Convince Lion to send an aspect of each deity to the domain of Living in order to renew belief in their true selves, rather than the selves that Lion and his followers had been spreading.

Lion remained adamant for a long time that he would not do this. He, in all his darkened glory, had grown embellished in his beliefs and saw himself as the one true god over his old friends. It wasn't until the forest clans borne a cat with a striking resemblance to a lion that he began to consider their proposition. This cat, Lionkit (later Lionheart), became his favorite, a living reminder of his old glory. He strove to become like this cat as the cat grew and became an intelligent and wise adult, and was proud to witness him become a deputy in his clan. Unfortunately, he was killed defending his clan in a traitorous rally, and upon joining the domain of Good, Lionheart was given a choice: Become Lion's messenger, or remain on the lower levels of Good, bordering Mediocrity for the rest of his afterlife.

Lionheart, shocked but happy to receive the blessing of being Lion's messenger, accepted the less-than-optimal ultimatum, and joined Lion. Slowly but surely, he worked with Frecklewish and Starlight (Tigress's messenger) to get Lion to agree, and by the time the legendary Firestar had kits with Sandstorm, they convinced him to send a prophecy - The prophecy of the Three - to the domain of the living. The three - Hollyleaf (Tigress), Lionblaze (Lion), and Jayfeather (Leopard) - would be their aspects in the domain of the Living until death, in which they would become advisors to the gods.

It was the three's job to restore faith and content in the gods, and they would have to start by fixing the structure of the clans. The plan was for the main one of the trio to be Holly(Snow)leaf - An albino tom (later molly) with spiky fur and red eyes - to be Tigress's mortal self, and to spread the word that things must be changed if everyone is to survive in sanctity and peace. (Hollow)Lionblaze, a near-melonistic molly (later tom) with red undertones, would show that Lion is not the perfect deity everyone assumed him to be. And finally, Jay(Amber)feather, a golden tabby tom (later molly) with unusual spots, would be there to represent the anger Leopard felt for the mistreatment of cats by Lion and Tigress.

Upon their maturing, and the discovery of their heritage, things went horribly against the plan. Hollyleaf killed Ashfur, and then revealed Leafpool's secret to the whole of the clans. (S)He was unable to be contacted anymore, as the last cat (s)he was seen with was Sol, and Tigress began to grow ill. She soon resurfaced, now going by Snowleaf and using she/her pronouns, and everyone was so relieved that they sent down their messengers to follow her for a little bit. During this time, Snowleaf and Ivypaw became friends, and they began talking about how to change the code and the clans...

... And so, the deities recalled their beloved messengers, and the world breathed a sigh of relief. The prophecy would be fulfilled.

[canon-notcanon-warriorcats]

the fact that the new graphic novel acknowledges that longtail and swiftpaw and ravenpaw and dustpelt are brothers is wild

though it's kind of weird cause like longtail is ALSO ravenpaw and dustpelt's brother, but swiftpaw is not ravenpaw and dustpelt's brother lmao

obviously it would have been awkward to say all of that when fireheart was just mentioning how he's jealous of cats with siblings and was just listing two sets of brothers, but still lol

[warriorcatsofficialfacts]

another poll. but this one's significant

i have collected opinions from ye olde warrior cats fans on the warrior cats official facts discord. they provided the nominees but You. will vote on who wins. kinda like the oscars i guess but we are all the academy

honorary mentions

-somewhere only we know 3d remake

-dixie boy mapleshade amv

-king and lionheart

(all were brought up as options but voted off to keep the poll within 12 options)

[once-a-kittypet]

Swiftpaw

First Mention: Fire and Ice (chapter 1; page 14)

[wc-confessions]

I have a gripe and it makes me so angry because I still see it!!! When people make Swiftpaw CHILD SIZED despite the fact that HE IS LITERALLY AN ADULT AND THAT IS WHY HE WAS PISSED THAT BLUESTAR WOULDN’T GIVE HIM A WARRIOR NAME. Fireheart even mentions he was as big as Longtail and the reason he goes to the dogs is because HE IS TOO OLD TO BE AN APPRENTICE!!!!

[warrior-cats-rewritten]

Let's talk about Conflict Names.

If you've scrolled the Warriors Wiki, you've probably seen this message at least once.

And in a universe FULL of name combinations and new prefixes and suffixes being added all the time, it's... Odd. How do names like Robinwing and Seedpelt get used so many times? Why are there 2 Nightstar's now? WHY ARE THERE 3 BIRCHSTARS AND 3 DARKSTARS?

Well, I think it would be nice to change that. In-Universe, all apprentices still go to the Moonstone/Moonpool to foster a connection with Starclan. Starclan will show the leader who goes with them all the name "slots" of the cats who have come before.

Sometimes, in an extremely rare circumstance, there have been multiple cats with the same name (this is more... easter egg for wcr/comedic effect; but lore-wise, Starclan will often not provide the names of Dark Forest cats in an attempt to "erase" them), but it can never be a leader. There cannot be 2 Firestar's, ever. A Star cannot lead if it is being outshone by another.

Where the fun lies, is that sometimes, a leader will give up their leader name in Starclan, freeing up that slot. Heatherstar gave up hers to go back to being Heatherstep, as she did not enjoy being leader. Heatherstar would now be a valid name again. Also, the ancient 2 word names (Sky Petal, Cloud Spots, Blue Whisker, Briar Bloom) do not take up slots. Post-mortem names, such as Swiftpaw being named Swiftclaw, or Mapleshade's kits, also do not take up slots.

During Tigerheart's Light, Starclan ran into a bit of a pickle. Tigerheart was going to become Leader, but there has been a Tigerstar in history who did not give up his name when he went to the Dark Forest. But... His spirit had faded away! But... The memory of him hasn't...

When they asked Tigerheart "Do you wish to be Tigerstar?" What Tigerheart WANTED to say was:

"Sure. It sounds like a good name. Though I have some bad memories with it too, and my relationship with my mother is really strained now because of it, I'm also not sure of the Clans will like having another Tigerstar around. Maybe it's not such a good idea."

All he managed to get out was "Sure. It sounds like a good name-" before Starclan slapped the title onto him without a second thought.

With that MAJOR issue out of the way, let's get to the renaming of cats! Note: Renames are not done on basis of who came first, but which one I like better for the cat. I think Frecklewish fits the Thunderclan cat more than the Skyclan one.

Note: This post is not complete and was only posted due to the Tumblr app being trash. I will repeatedly reblog this with more names added. Thank you.

Thunderclan

Rabbitleap (TC) is now named Rabbitsong

Beechfur (TC) is now named Beechtuft.

Seedpelt (Mapleshade's Vengeance) has now been somewhat fused with Seedpelt (Pinestar's Choice). Now a molly whose fur is streaked gray with age, and her name is Seedwhisker.

Seedpelt (Pinestar's Choice) has been partially fused, as seen above, but the leftover cat (ew) has been named Dragonflypelt.

Seedpelt (FQ) is THE Seedpelt. Seedpaw is almost named Seedpelt as well (that's that little joke I mentioned, but also a sign that Bramblestar's got NO idea what he's doing)

Owlstar (SoTC) and Owlstar (CoTC) have been fused, the way they should have been.

Shadowclan

Cloudberry (TC) is now Splashberry.

Larksong (BP) is now named Larkmoon, Larksong (Avos) remains unchanged.

Applefur (TF) is now named Applefang.

Ashfur (ShC) is now given the very simple Honor Title Ashclaw by Nightstar, and comes out of retirement.

Marshscar now becomes Marshstar to avoid a future Conflict Name with Marshkit, who will become Marshscar.

Mudclaw (ShC) is now named Mudstep.

Buster, who used to be Rippletail, is now named... Well he still becomes Buster, but BEFORE that he's named Droptail. Pun.

Hollystar has been renamed Birdstar, Jagged Peak and Rainswept Flower's daughter.

Riverclan

Shadepelt (AVoS) is now named Shadenose, and is the sister of Foxnose and an OC, Bumblenose.

Mintfur (RC) is now Mintwhisker, named after Mintclaw (Silverpaw TPB) a Rebel who was killed fighting against Tigerclan alongside his mothers Waterfern and Tangleburr.

Silverpaw (BOTC) is now in Windclan, as they need more padding, and OOTS Riverclan has enough apprentices. Their name is now Streampaw, and they become Streamsong. They are the offspring of Rustlewish, who adopted them from Riverclan, hence the name.

Applefrost and Appleshine actually had their names swapped. Appleshine is now the daughter of Appledusk and Reedshine. Applefrost is now Breezpelt and Heathertail's daughter.

Nightstar (RC) now never becomes leader, as Riverstar outlives her during Riverstar's Life towards the end. She and Nightheart (Ro) are now the same cat. She was inspired by a strange cat named Nightheart and made her name Night Heart.

Milkfur (YS) is now named Milkpatch, both after her mother and the slowly growing white patches in her fur. Her brother is named Troutfin (the name she was mistakenly given in the preview for Yellowfang's Secret) and he gave Hailstar a life!

Windclan

Thrushpelt (WC) is now not only a girl, but this lady WAS named Thrushpelt and earned the title Thrushleaf for her handling of the epidemic caused by sick rabbits.

Gorsetail (TNP) is now named Eveningtail.

Wrenflight (WC) does start out as Wrenflight, but after her actions supporting The Rebels against Tigerstar, helping Tangleburr and Waterfern free prisoners at risk of her own life, Tallstar renamed her Wrensky, freeing up the Wrenflight slot for the Skyclan one.

Birchstar (WC) is now Warblerstar, she is an ancestor to Onestar through his grandfather, Woollytail.

Skyclan

Frecklewish (SkC) is now named Freckleshine.

Birchstar (SkC) is still Birchstar, but stepped down at his death, going back to being just Birch, the same one in DOTC. The second leader of Skyclan. Birchstar (RC) is now the definitive Birchstar.

Rainfur (SkC) is now Rainyfur, his old name having been Rainy, because "oh it's just a coincidence his name was exactly the same as a Clan name" is a pathetic cop-out.

Robinwing (SkC) is now Robintail, after her short, fluffy tail.

Unknown Clan

Emberdawn (TBC) is still Emberdawn... Because no one remembers her, and Starclan doesn't care much about names that aren't attached to it, meaning that TECHNICALLY, there could be another Houndleap, Emberdawn is not in the Dark Forest, but she is also not in Starclan. Her horror story will be revealed eventually, still working on the finer details.

[goldenflowerceo]

have any warrior cats headcannons you'd like to share? :3 /genq, curious

ooooo i'm gonna talk abt a few design ones i have that i've been meaning to share!!

so ofc the tiger clones look like. tigerstar. but i do like to dream about going all in with the tiger motif for his descendents. tigerclaw looks like a pseudo-melanistic tiger, swiftpaw looks like a white tiger (he's a tiger son to me), brambleclaw looks like a regular tiger, tawnypelt is a tortie of a pseudo-melanistic and golden tiger, hawkfrost looks like a pseudo-melanistic white tiger, mothwing looks like a golden tiger, tadpole looks a pseudo-melanistic tiger, tigerheart looks like a regular tiger, dawnpelt looks like a golden tiger, and flametail also looks like a golden tiger. i just think it's fun :3

sparkpelt is not orange. she is not red either. she is this vibrant golden-yellow and i will not be taking criticism. think like a yellow highlighter.

dilute yellow/gray yellowfang... but also rattier. i agree a LOT with runn1ngn0se’s post about her hygiene. give her mats and bottom canines that stick out like boar tusks. also i think we should design her with the trope where her brows are so thick they completely cover her eyes. those peepers only come out during times of great emotion.

oh!! not design-related, but willowpelt and whitestorm are a QPR to me. aroace woman and her gay best friend lol

also !!! i have to mention frostfur here... i think she kinda looks like the burmilla cat breed, with the sort of "frosty" gray top coloring. also i can see her as both trans female and also trans male. slowly blorboifying her in my brain... another thing to add. i think as bluestar starts to lose her faith in starclan and trust in her clanmates, she keeps slipping up and calling frostfur "snowfur" ... [keels over and dies]

i don't like the briarjay ship, unless it's a QPR or jayfeather is trans fem. briarlight is a beautiful butch lesbian

ohh!!! final headcanon i'll mention here, and it's something i want to draw one day so i can fully explain: ever since i picked up the first book back in fifth grade, i’ve only been able to picture redtail as a ruddy, brick red tabby with dark, blackish stripes and a wonderfully thick tail. he's also gained a mullet in my mind over time. i've never been able to see him as a tortoiseshell, lol

[almostourgalaxy]

Are there any warrior cags u head can on with personality disorders? For me, HollyLeaf, Squilf and Breezey-P all have NPD and Breeze has ASPD too and so does dovewing but this is just off the top of my head. I think CinderHeart would have BPD too and maybe Jayf has ASPD aswell. I think Ivy would have OCD 2 ^^

See honestly I agree wwvith ALL of those, but also- (and these are mostly arc one cats bc I'm rewwvriting arc one rn so their In My Brain)

Moral Ocd firestar and Hollyleaf (don't knowwv if this counts but also My House My Rules Wwve Mention This Shit)

Npd bluestar, silverstream, deadfoot, and russetfur.

Aspd spottedleaf, frostfur, sandstorm, leafpool, and feathertail

Bpd Longtail, Goldenflower, Swiftpaw(this is wwvhat him and Long bonded ovvwer the heavvwiest I imagine) graystripe, cloudtail, yellowfang, and squilf.

I'vvwe got more, but these are the ones that come to mind!

[angstywildcats]

it’s been a hot minute since ive read warrior cats so i just wanted to ask what the relationship between ferncloud and brightheart is? and in turn the general premise of your coming surrounding them? im really interested!!

It has been a hot minute since i've touched a book too, anybody is free to correct me but. In canon, they really just were apprentices at the same time.

If you wana pepe silvia it up, it should be noted that the books however included that:

Fernpaw and Ashpaw's mother is killed by the dogs

Swiftpaw would invite Fernpaw (and Ashpaw) to find out what's been out there hunting down Thunderclanners (It should be stated that Swiftpaw, I think, did this for his Warrior name and wanted support. I don't know if there was ever any mentioned other noble cause on saving his Clan or specifically his apprentice denmates)

Brightpaw and Swiftpaw leave, that whole tragedy happens.

Fernpaw is the one to confess to Fireheart (and Cloudtail, I think?) about where the missing Swiftpaw and Brightpaw's whereabouts are. Which, theoretically helps Brightpaw be found in time.

The book never really shows them interacting otherwise, as far as I can remember, but Ferncloud and Brightheart also most likely shared time in the nursery together since they have kittens around the same era... which you never see because that's in between The Prophecies Begin and The New Prophecy, and Whitepaw is an apprentice by then.

Basically I'm making mountains over underdeveloped molehills over side characters, but I think with what's given, there's a lot of emotional exploration to be had over it, while still feeling in-line with canon!

I should say as well, I was all particularly inspired by this because a couple of Warriors videos ('Danse Macabre', 'No one, Everyone, Your mama') both included a shot of Fernpaw watching them leave in the night. It's such a simple thing to include, but there's a lot of weight to seeing your friends the very moment they leave to go on a suicide mission and one of them never coming back! What would have happened if you broke their trust and just told on them to not leave! Is it your fault they died!?

Soooo with all that being said, and my absolute hunger for just... more interpersonal relationships between characters in Warriors (which they fail me for even the main characters), there's a lot of strong potential in this.

With my take on Brightheart and Ferncloud, I just see them as really good or bonded friends who grew up together. They go through a lot through shared trauma, and based on the tidbits of personality given for both of them, I think they also would get along. Fernpaw being timid, Brightpaw being caring for others. In my comic I've added a bit to also imply Brightheart agreed to go with Swiftpaw not only to support him but to do it for Fernpaw/Ashpaw as well. I hesitate to put any further label on it since... well, their children get together romantically so it would add to the tangle of bloodlines, but I def can see it as how some childhood friends have sibling bonds.

For the comic... you will have to see exactly what happens! It's short, chill. Mostly conversational, just like the Shrewpaw/Ferncloud one but i hope it still hits emotional beats. I think something just fun to chew on while I make it is... How would it feel to watch your friends try hunt something that killed your mother, and only one survives, coming out of it extremely shaken. What would seeing her again feel like.

Perhaps I have talked to much, but I actually planned to do an extension of this comic where it timeskips further on where all the apprentices, grown up, visit Swiftpaw's grave.... but I decided against this because. 1. This is already a lot of work to do this many pages. 2. It's gonna be pretty long already, and I do not like making extremely long posts on tumblr. 3. I found a different way to end the comic I preferred.

Here's the script. Perhaps maybe I'll touch on it another while but admittedly after this I may be tired of exploring the Dog Incident for a bit.

Thank you for being so kind and inquiring! It's very fun, I enjoyed explaining this.

[everybody-loves-purdy]

The Genetic Journey of Two Sisters: an Analysis of ThunderClan’s Gene Pool

Flashnose and Daisytoe made their debut in Goosefeather’s Curse, and are revealed to be sisters born to unknown parents. Although these sisters fade into the rest of ThunderClan’s old history, their genetics encompass the entirety of ThunderClan, bleeding into two other Clans. Here is an analysis of their profound genetic impact, starting with Flashnose. (Cats who’s names are red have kits)

Flashnose + unknown tom have a single daughter together: Swiftbreeze. Later in life, Swiftbreeze and Adderfang have five children: Leopardfoot, Patchpelt, Redtail, Spottedleaf, and Willowpelt. Leopardfoot and Pinestar have Tigerstar, Mistkit, and Nightkit. Patchpelt and Goldenflower have Swiftpaw & Lynxkit, while with Robinwing, he has Longtail. Willowpelt, with unknown toms, have Darkstripe & Graystripe. With Whitestorm, she has Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, and Sootfur.

→ Tigerstar and Goldenflower have Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt, and with Sasha, Tadpole, Hawkfrost and Mothwing. Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight have Sparkpelt, Alderheart, Dandelionkit, and Juniperkit. Sparkpelt and Larksong have Nightheart, Finchlight, and Flickerkit. Tawnypelt and Rowanclaw have Tigerstar II, Dawnpelt, and Flametail. Tigerstar II and Dovewing have Lightleap, Shadowsight, Pouncestep, Birchpaw, and Rowankit, while Dawnpelt and Crowfrost have Strikestone, Sleekwhisker, and Juniperclaw.

→ Graystripe and Silverstream have Feathertail and Stormfur, and with Millie, he also fathers Briarlight, Blossomfall, and Bumblestripe. Stormfur and Brook have Pine that Clings to Rock, Lark that Sings at Dawn, Feather of Flying Hawk, and Breeze that Rustles the Leaves. Blossomfall and Thornclaw have Stemleaf, Shellfur, Plumstone, and Eaglewing. Stemleaf and Spotfur have Stempaw, Graypaw, and Bristlepaw.

→ Sorreltail and Brackenfur have Cinderheart, Poppyfrost, Honeyfern, Molepaw, Lilyheart, and Seedpaw. Cinderheart and Lionblaze have Fernsong, Sorrelstripe, Hollytuft, Spotfur, Snaptooth, and Flywhisker. Fernsong and Ivypool have Thriftear, Flipclaw, and Bristlefrost. Sorrelstripe and Dewnose have Bayshine and Myrtlebloom. Spotfur, as previously mentioned has Stempaw, Graypaw, and Bristlepaw with Stemleaf. Thriftear and Bayshine have Moonpaw.

→ Poppyfrost and Berrynose have Cherryfall and Molewhisker.

→ Lilyheart and Snowbush have Larksong, Honeyfur, and Leafshade. As previously mentioned, Larksong and Sparkpelt have Nightheart, Finchlight, and Flickerkit.

This wraps up Flashnose’s genetic line, moving us into Daisytoe’s genetic line.

Daisytoe and Rooktail had Moonflower and Goosefeather. Moonflower and Stormtail had Bluestar and Snowfur. Bluestar and Oakheart had Mistystar, Stonefur, and Mosskit. Mistystar and Blackclaw had Reedwhisker, Primrosepaw, Pikepaw, and Perchkit. Snowfur and Thistleclaw had Whitestorm. Whitestorm and Brindleface had Ferncloud, Ashfur, Elderkit, and Tulipkit. With Willowpelt, he also had Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, and Sootfur. Ferncloud and Dustpelt had Spiderleg, Shrewpaw, Birchfall, Larchkit, Hollykit, Foxleap, and Icecloud. Spiderleg and Daisy had Toadstep and Rosepetal. Birchfall and Whitewing had Dovewing and Ivypool, who’s mates & kits were previously mentioned.

Although Daisytoe and Flashnose’s bloodlines began separately, they converge at certain points (i.e. Whitestorm x Willowpelt, Tigerstar II x Dovewing) to form an extensive genetic pool that is responsible for 30/46= 65% of the current ThunderClan population (as of Wind) & 6/30= 20% of the current ShadowClan population. Holy shit.

I’d add Robinwing x Fuzzypelt as an honorable mention, but given the fact that their son (Dustpelt) and their granddaughter (Ferncloud) have kits, their line merges with Daisytoe’s since her great-grandson is Whitestorm, who’s also Ferncloud’s father. Alternatively, we could focus on Frostfur, but since both of her sons took mates from Flashnose’s genetic line, their entire family line is one with Daisytoe & Flashnose’s.

Times like this make me feel very fortunate that certain information was retconned. If the fact that Redtail & Brindleface had Sandstorm remained canon, this would make Squirrelstar, Leafpool, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf all related to Flashnose. Which raises that ThunderClan percentage from 65% to 76%. This would also make Lionblaze and Cinderheart related.

Seeing how much ThunderClan grew from these pair of sisters is always a “wow” moment for me. Their spirits have likely faded from StarClan’s ranks, but I can’t help but wonder if they ever looked down on their descendants and felt proud of how big their families have grown.

I’ve never seen the exact percentages before that’s absolutely wild. It’s insane how these one off characters that no fan would really remember otherwise, let alone remember they are sisters, have ultimately become the root of most of the current ThunderClan incest problems.

[moltensmusings]

I really do need to reread books 4-6 of the prophecy begins so I can get my hands on the scenes of Goldenflower interacting with swiftpaw and her response to his death because I genuinely don't remember much content. Like most of the focus is on bramblekit and partially on Tawny. Which makes sense since their father is literally the main antagonist.

But with how reactive Goldenflower was to any cruelty lobbied at Tawny and Bramble, it's unfortunate that it doesn't seem like the authors were as on top of things when it came to displaying her love for Swiftpaw to the same degree. Like make her a menace after tigerstar is exiled. She goes from a docile and calm woman who is pragmatic and known for simply going along with what leadership commands, to someone who I'd actively in the faces of Bluestar and Fireheart when swiftpaw starts getting negatively effected by things.

Swiftpaw being embarrassed to see his mother causing trouble but also somewhat being happy she has his back and wants him to get what he's owed. With the knowledge that she and Bluestar were at least on friendly terms at one point, I would've killed for offhand mentions of her trying to talk reason into Bluestar only for the crumbling of the bits of their friendship that were left to be sprinkled into the narrative. A friendship that dies alongside any good will Goldenflower had towards Tigerclaw the moment Swiftpaw dies.

Tigerclaw getting her eldest son killed and her only daughter racing into his arms while goldenflower can't stop it and instead simply has to fume and quietly rage at everything happening around her that she couldn't control that shattered her family.

I know the Erin's were juggling a lot of plotlines, but truly focusing on Swiftpaw and Goldenflower could've added even more depth and pain to his eventual death.

[himboblaze]

wow so many things were different in the graphic novel adaptation of fire and ice

the entire battle with riverclan after fireheart and graystripe trespass on their territory is glossed over, and its implied it didn’t even really happen, just that they were chased off. this means whiteclaw isn’t thrown over the gorge by graystripe (meaning leopardfur doesn’t have a valid reason to hate him) and fireheart doesn’t save sandpaw from falling over the gorge.

barkface never receives the prophecy/warning about the pink cloud. i’m using this as further proof that whiteclaw didn’t die until proven otherwise

cinderpaw, brackenpaw and swiftpaw are all apprenticed at the same time. brightkit hasn’t even been seen so far.

since fireheart meets princess in the first book instead of smudge, him and cinderpaw don’t chase her off thinking she’s a strange cat. in fact princess doesn’t show up at all in fire and ice.

fireheart doesn’t follow graystripe when he leaves camp to meet with silverstream, so he never gets to meet silverstream again before they meet in battle in windclan camp.

fireheart also doesn’t fight graystripe because he’s sick and tired of keeping his secret for him and taking on all of his responsibilities.

bluestar doesn’t catch greencough and therefore doesn’t lose a life.

cinderpaw doesn’t get hit by a car yet. the whole plot line about tigerclaw trying to lure bluestar out to the thunderpath is entirely skipped over.

because princess isn’t seen or mentioned in this adaptation of fire and ice, fireheart doesn’t get to know that she’s pregnant and doesn’t get to take cloudkit into the clan with him yet.

brindleface isn’t mentioned to have had her kits, though they’re probably saving this for when they introduce cloudkit.

there are no accusations of trespassing at the gathering because of brokenstar and his lackeys trying to find a place to live. also brokenstar isn’t defeated and taken as prison in this book. he isn’t mentioned in fire and ice at all besides graystripe telling ravenpaw he killed his own father. the only gathering shown is the one that takes place before windclan is returned home.

spottedleaf doesn’t give fireheart a warning that one of his clan mates is untrustworthy, which would’ve lead to fireheart suspecting graystripe for some reason. over all the tension between fireheart and graystripe in this book has been significantly reduced.

dustpaw and sandpaw don’t become warriors yet.

instead of ending with fireheart and graystripe making up (which still happens it’s just not the end of the book), there’s an additional scene where fireheart and the others return to camp and cinderpaw excitedly asks him if they won. obviously this doesn’t happen in the original book because cinderpaw was recovering in the medicine den at the time.