#Sam And Dean Winchester Are Not Human Beings
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spn20rewatch, 1.12: "The guy probably would've died anyway."
After agreeing that, yes, you're invested in the mission of this family after all, and you're an equal participant in it and you're bought in -- what are you willing to do?
Death comes easy in Supernatural -- it's kind of the starting premise -- and avoiding death comes more-or-less easy, too. Faith is the first time we see the Winchesters evade the obvious conclusion but it's far from the last, and it's also the first time we see how easy the slippage comes between breathing and not, between moral and not, between allowable and not. Reapers seem to come for the dying no matter what, but it isn't actually that hard to redirect that energy from one person to another. What happens when you do it? What cost are you willing to bear?
Dean takes a mortal wound in the everyday exigencies of the hunt. He was a good person, saving kids from a monster. He doesn't deserve to die. (Right?) A faith healer sees something special in him and he's chosen, over a lot of others, and he will be snatched back from the jaws of patient death, and -- that's good, right? Dean will live and he will save many more kids, and him being alive is a net positive in the world. Does it matter what it costs?
Unfortunately, as Sam is soon to learn, evading the inevitable in the moral structure of Supernatural's universe is just a whole-ass series of trolley problems. Yes, Dean lives, but Marshall Hall dies. Did Marshall deserve that? He was probably a decent guy. Maybe he didn't save kids from monsters, but he was a human person and that should be enough to deserve life. Was his life more valuable on the eternal scales than Dean's? For Sam, most certainly, but we can't trust Sam's judgment on making that call. Is there any possibility of being objective, here? (On a meta level, would the driving structural forces of this narrative allow any other option?)
DEAN: Sam, the guy's playing God, he's deciding who lives and who dies. That's a monster in my book. SAM: No. We're not going to kill a human being, Dean. We do that, we're no better than he is.
Tricky calculus. Who decides? And, worse, what if you know that by one decision you're dooming some to death, but some others will live? Would Sam have made the decision to go to the faith healer if he knew that someone else would go in Dean's place? We really don't know, and at this point I'm not sure Sam knows, either. He'd certainly say that he wouldn't, especially with the benefit of hindsight. In the lonely growing darkness in a motel room with his dad refusing to answer the phone and Dean's white face in a white hospital bed blotting out every other thought -- who knows what decision he would've made, with full awareness.
How lucky that he got exactly what he wanted without having to make the grimiest possible version of the choice. Sam (and we) can wonder what might have happened, if Layla had been chosen first and they'd realized what the stakes really were and then on a later day Roy had turned his smiling benevolence Dean's way. Who decides who lives and who dies? Luckily the universe tends to intercede on the Winchesters' behalf before they have to answer that question truthfully.
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...I always interpreted this as Cas seeing, and falling in love with, Dean's demon form first. So
1- Cas has known What Dean Is(tm) the whole time and has never not loved ALL of Dean's weird, demihuman/monstrous, "what if I punched God in the face", undefinable riftwalker hot boyMILF ass.
2- Cas raising Dean from Hell was (at least to start) less the dramatic bridal carry we all envision and more like someone trying to rescue a very angry stray cat that does not know its being rescued so it has to be wrapped in a towel until it stops trying to claw its rescuer's face off.
i think a lot of people donāt realise that cas pulling dean out of hell in lazarus rising wasnāt cas pulling dean off the rack, it was cas pulling dean AWAY FROM the rack, away from the people he was torturing
the first time cas touched dean he saw the pain dean was inflicting on other people, saw the way he enjoyed it, and it didnāt change how pure dean was to him, it didnāt make him any less good
#spn#destiel#Sam And Dean Winchester Are Not Human Beings#can yall imagine how weird it would be if HUMANS did ANY of the shit they did past s10#not re: the Free Will/narrative struggle stuff. re: killing major deities and dying on purpose to bargain with Death and etc etc etc#Cas was upset in s9-10 not because Dean was a demon but because Dean was letting hell walk all over him in a soul/morality sense.#I still think not-evil!Deanmon is possible. look at Crowley or Rowena or even āmonstersā like Garth and Benny.#anyway when Cas was rebuilding Dean's body did he see it as recreating a human or rebuilding a vessel/glamour/etc for a...#uh.#whatever it is that Dean is.#idfk#rambling in the tags#spicy feral kitten dean winchester
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"Sam and Dean love each other as much as two human beings can love each other. Truly." ā Jared Padalecki, San Diego Comic Con 2017
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#sam and dean love each other as much as two human beings can love each other#jared padalecki#supernatural#sdcc 2017#sam and dean#supernatural conventions#supernatural fandom#dean winchester#sam winchester#spn meta#spn cast#sdcc17#san diego comic con 2017#sdcc2017#jared padalecki quotes#jared padalecki appreciation#j2 quotes#sam and dean quotes#spn
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1.01, "Pilot" | Stephen Adly Guirgis, "The Last Days Of Judas Iscariot" " | 5.22, "Swan Song"
#please consider!! dean as judas to sam's christ allegory#sam considers himself the judas between them!! but narratively speaking! it's dean!! i feel insane#yeah cain and abel were the first fratricide but have we acknowledged the first toxic yaoi. jesus and judas#yeah the narrative frames sam's blood drinking as the big Act of Betrayal but#if you consider...that it's sam sacrificing himself by bearing the weight of the actual devil. to save humanity#sam drinking demon blood in the first place in order to save possessed ppl without killing them...literally taking on the sins of men#dean is both judas delivering his kiss AND the authorities coming to arrest jesus in gethsemane when he locks sam up#dean doesn't believe in god but he needs to live in the light and grace and love of his little brother#his faith and love in sam. being his connection to his humanity.#j.edit#spn edit#sam winchester#dean winchester#comparatives#wincest#samdean
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Sammy and Dean having breakfast for dinner, waiting for John to return.
Somehow the thought of how little Sam must have eventually stopped asking when their dadās gonna return makes me really emotional š„²
Had a busy weekend so here we are with a belated post! Have a fantastic weekāØš»
#supernatural#dean winchester#with really fluffy hair#i just couldnāt stop myself#sam winchester#just accepting that his dadās not really reliable#but he has a pikachu tattoo#you know one of those water based temporary ones that they put into cornflakes boxes back then#and you really annoyed your mum (or big brother in that case) endlessly to buy those cornflakes you didnāt even like as much#but you really wanted to have a cool pikachu tattoo#are they still a thing?#can I do my own temporary tattoos?#i will investigate#back to tagging like a normal human being#lucky charms#sleazy motel room#supernatural fanart#web comics#procreate#my art#illustration#digital art#beebox-illustrations#weechesters
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i can't stop thinking about the first episode of season 6, when sam tries to convince dean to come with him, to come back to hunting. he says "it's just better with you around, that's all." it's an interesting line because sam is soulless, obviously. and even though he doesn't understand the details yet, he knows something's wrong with him.
"it's better with you around" he says, citing dean's compassion and care for others as the reason why. and how interesting is that? sam's working with plenty of other hunters who still have their soulsāthey're all more than capable of caring about the people they save. but sam needs dean specifically. he knows he's missing something, and he sees dean and recognizes that something in him. even cold and calculating and unrelentingly logical, sam recognizes that dean, alone, can "complete" him, give something back to him that he's supposed to have.
in episode 8 he tells dean he "needs his help." he doesn't elaborate; he never explains what he means by that. he has a whole family of hunters who'd be willing and able to help him, but still he needs dean. even without his soul, his hyperrational mind knows he needs him.
soulless sam isn't capable of caring about dean. but he doesn't need to care to know they need to be together, no matter whatāto know dean is good for him, dean completes him, dean needs to be there for him.
it's like a sick reversal of season 1. sam drags dean back into this life because he can't keep going without him. because he needs him. because when you think about it logically, and sam has no other choice, there was never any other option for them.
#supernatural#wincest#i mean i'm absolutely looking at this through wincest-colored lenses but this isn't even a romantic observation#and i think that makes it so much worse#every time soulless sam gives an indication that he needs dean in his life even when he's incapable of caring about him. that's so fucked u#like what the fuck do you mean sam's dependence on dean isn't even irrational. that it's so normal to him that it's completely logical#to need him. that sam needs dean the way humans need air to breathe: an unalterable fact of nature and reality#'there are also things about it i remember that i... let's just say i think i should probably go back to being him'#What The Fuck Do You Mean By That Sammy#having a soul hurts but he should 'probably' go back to having one#he says in a conversation about how he knows he should care about dean but doesn't#like there's something inside him screaming for dean. and it's trapped and trying to claw its way out#he needs to care about dean no matter what the cost is. he needs to love him again#it's unnatural and wrong for him to exist without loving his brother. is that what you're saying. is that it#i just can't stop thinking about soulless sam. sorry. what's wrong with him seriously#besides not having a soul#.txt#sam#the winchester gospel#spn posting#6.01#6.08#spn6
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What was up with cass fighting for his life to stop dean from rescusing sam (not to mention his almost enthusiastic jumping to move past sam's death) He did NOT have that energy when the roles were reversed
like summin smell fishy and it aint just cass's pussy
#i think *i think* this post is#anti castiel#or#cass crit#so im tagging accordingly in case#but yeag#sam winchester#mine#dean was so real when he dropped that banger 'and why does that something that went wrong always seem to be you' <- to paraphrase#Michael took over dean and he just dipped forever#shoving all responsibility onto sam: he was left to take care of the au hunters#look after jack#try to help nick who was wearing the face of his goddamn abuser#all the while he's being drained himself physically and emotionally over searching for dean#Like shit hit the fan and cass immediately drops off the face of the earth and when he shows up#sam has to save his ass#How many times did sam clean cass's mess and how many times did cass shove his fuck ups entirely on sam#the recent lucifer break-out being the most atrocious one. He broke sam's hell wall and apologized to DEAN he knew Lilith was the last seal#and helped bridge the rift between samdean he attributes ALL he learned from humanity to dean#and doesn't mention ANYTHING sam has possibly did for him#like what a cool friend man he's good to have around for the vibes and atmosphere but in dire times? He'd go mia on your ass#He'd go mia on your ass or make everything worse#making the post samptiqueāØļø and word dumping in the tags#samdean
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ādeanās problematicā āno samās problematicā ācas is a bad characterā
guys, we canāt judge them by the usual standards of morality applied to characters. the writers were all fighting each other over consistency and the network was meddling so their actions episode to episode donāt mean as much for their characters as their essence does or like the core of the characters
#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#castiel#this is true of all characters on spn btw#just like the show itself is a good show trapped within a bad show#theyāre all good characters trapped within shitty character writing#i mean we know for a fact that they hating cas and the writing for him reflected that#oh! expect for john winchester of course#who is an utter dogshit human being with no redeemable traits
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sometimes i think about how much of a waste it was to just have cas ignoring samās prayers in s6 instead of him actually not being able to hear him bc he was soulless and his prayers didnāt work
#there should have been more side effects of literally not having a soul other than sam just being a sociopath#the whole point of the season was how souls themselves are power right#so its not a leap to asume any supernatural anything a human is able to do or conjure would be powered by the soul#so why not make it that the soul is what powers prayers#or powers exorcisms and summonings and rites#imagine if sam couldnt make holy water anymore#or exorcise demons which he doesnt care about bc hed just use the knife anyway#but it would make things difficult for him#just this added hassle of having to buy holy water and needing the cambels to do rites for him that he just cant#i know cas ignores him for guilt reasons but imagine if that first prayer from dean is how he realises he brought sam back soulless#maybe he just thought sam was ignoring him and had gone on to live the normal life he always wanted#then that guilt of thinking he saved him just to realise how badly he fucked up along with the guilt of working with crowley??#huge missed opportunity#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#carry on my wayward son#sam winchester#castiel#dean winchester#destiel#supernatural#spn
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i think perhaps another layer of autism in jacks character is that heās fine with being different, but is always upset to be treated or perceived differently.
#i want to make this longer but Iām tired and i wanna finish my drawing#does this make a SMIDGE of sense#cal.txt#spn#supernatural#jack kline#autistic jack kline#autism experiences#autistic coded character#like he outwardly defines his identity as the son of Lucifer/a hunter/a Winchester#heās often prideful of his powers & strengths but instantly ashamed if theyāre perceived as weird or wrong#sam dean & cas are basically a support system for him in the same way as many other autistic support systems#theyāre consistently accepting of him as he isāeven when dean didnāt necessarily like him he still just took jacks mannerisms as they were#or the fact that jack decided to be that age right from the womb? theyāre like āokay sure whatever thatās his own thingā#the offered reassurances that heās not any less of a person bc of his difference#that theyāre all weird in their own ways and it just doesnāt matter#he can accept that heās not fully human and his father is the Supreme Agent Of All Evil#this is about donāt go into the woods btw. that episode is like Peak autism but in a bad painful curl up and rotting way#re the original script: āheās back to being the oddball againā#read: he doesnāt LIKE being the oddball#he knows that heās fundamentally different and not normal and he can accept that#i mean his state of demigodhood is basically like being born with bad eyesight#itās like the difference between being used to and accepting of bad eyesight vs being called four eyes#is that a good analogy idk . Iām tired and low on food
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S4 E10 Supernatural
Anna was an Angel, also Only 4 Angels have seen God. Ruby got tortured by Alastor, that's sucks. Uriel saying Castiel has a weakness and it's that he likes Dean. Dean and Anna...seem to get along. Ok OK OK and on to the heartbreaking stuff. Dean told Sam about hell, and how it's wasn't months for him it was 40years and he was given a choice to get tortured or torture others. Dean wishes he couldn't feel anything cus he cracked after 30years and he was good at it. Uggh š
#Anna is like if Aziraphale and Crowley from good omens had a kid. questions god? vaguly saunters downward. looks at humanity and like them.#ends up going back to being an angel rip.#sam winchester#dean winchester#ha ha ha dean has been tortured longer then hes been alive. he spent more time in hell then with sam. aint that funny......#ruby#ruby im giving you some faith. you have my respect and trust now.#anna milton#castiel#does ruby have a last name? its weird just putting ruby. Castiel is at least Castiel but ruby seems too common for her#supernatural#supernatural s4#batcavescolony watches#batcavescolony watches supernatural#spn
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still thinking about how gadreel blew up. lmao.
i still think he should have cut his own grace out and fed it to cas. feels like a better conclusion to his arc. fucked it all up for humans trying to do the right thing, fucked it all up for angels trying to do the right thing, he's been trying to martyr himself since at least Dean and Sam captured him, but fuck that. live, bitch. lose part of yourself that both connects you to your trauma but also to everyone/thing you love. give it up to save someone else. and then go live at the bunker as a human guy while sam is at his most fucked up because dean just died <3 it would be so awful for both of them <3
#but no i guess he just. blew up.#i dont even like him i dont *want* to see more of him but at the same time even im like. he should have been forced to live with all the#hurt he caused for at least another season. there's no redemption in supernatural we know this. his ending is eventually going still be wha#every other 'evil and now good' character's is. die for the winchesters. no way out of that.#but make that guy linger. make him deal with being a human. make sam deal with him living in his space while he tries to find dean.#you know. normal things.#gadreel spn#spn
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Depression will have you watching supernatural all the way through NOT onceā¦not twice but THREE FULL TIMES
If you use supernatural as a means of escapism please seek therapy
#highschool was not a fun time for me#can you tell I went to super turbo hell for being gay#supernatural#spnfandom#dean winchester#sam winchester#they both deserved better#season fifteen can suck it I canāt go through two divorces#yeah Iām talking about good omens#where the car guy with daddy/mommy issues loves an angel with religious trauma and a rebel spirit rooted in a strong love for humanity
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i drew a little something the other day
#dean is aged and happy#he lets his hair go grey#cas dyes his because heās in denial about being human again#deancas#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#castiel winchester#dean and cas#theyāre at pride#jack and sam are there too!#destiel fanart#fanart#supernatural fanart#spn fanart#supernatural#spn
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supernatural but itās about two extremely normal guys
#spn#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#spn au#supernatural au#idk#i think itās funny#theyāre just two dudes being dudes#two totally normal guys#just guys#human guys#definitely not anything else#nothing weird here#no aliens#none at all#they are not aliens#stop saying theyāre aliens
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human castiel makes my heart break!!! i lowkey love him as a human but he didn't have time to adjust!!! he was thrown into how sucky it is to be humannn with no warning. horrible. literal torture dkjfsjkfsjj it sucks out here being human JKHJFDHSJK
#supernatural#castiel#sam winchester#dean winchester#team free will#sigh i love cas#so him being human is a blessing and a cursE
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