#SOC3

[persimnon]

okay i changed my mind. i actually do want soc3 but only as a means of grishaverse fandom revival. like tbosas and sotr are smash hit digging up hunger games diehards from decade-old graves, partially because they’re objectively good books, but also in that they still allow the trilogy to remain pure and untouched in the kind of way where you can reasonably tag a fic canon compliant while having inconsistencies with the newer additions. so basically exactly what people are doing with kos/row already. and soc3—if done right, and i do trust leigh enough to revisit the duology proper with that kind of care (and by care i mean disregard of netflix canon)—could absolutely hit those lotto numbers. who doesn’t want to welcome a new generation into a beloved story. i hate to say it but most book series do need new canon to stay popular. and i care more about keeping the fandom alive than the potential of soc3 being mid or ooc. i am strong-willed enough to ignore its existence in that case.

[six-of-cringe]

Something that is sad but also that I hugely appreciate about CK is that by the end, most of the systems that harmed the crows are still in place, but their relationships with themselves have grown and changed. I find this particularly interesting in the cases of Jesper and Wylan (shocking I know). Their identities still put them in danger of being exploited or harmed - Grisha indentures are still the norm in Kerch, and the auction scene made it very clear that if the Council knew Wylan's illiteracy was true, they would treat him much the same as his father did due to the culture surrounding productivity and ability. This might seem disheartening, but the hope lies in the shift in how these characters see themselves and their role in the world. By the end of the book, Jesper and Wylan are beginning to put away their internalized shame surrounding their identities. They may still have to hide who they are from the world to survive, but they're no longer hiding it from themselves - their true selves are no longer this crushing burden they have to turn away from to function. A general theme of the series is how, in accepting who they are and what has happened to them on a personal level, the crows place themselves in positions to make change on a systemic level - Inej and her ship, Nina and her mission, Kaz and his Barrel empire, Wylan and Jesper with their political, high-society empire. None of them are all the way there yet by the end - they're still healing, and both the loss of Matthias and the weight of those oppressive systems are going to weigh on them for a long time - but we get to see the very beginnings of that process. I'm going to bite someone.

[veerbles]

I keep thinking about this line from ck.

this is the culmination of the van eck job; the 'post-credits' scene that tells us where each of the characters is going forward. nina is 'going to find a way to make it matter', which teases row. inej is starting her journey of ending slavery on the seas. jesper and wylan's futures are explicitly intertwined and implicitly turning to politics.

what does kaz's line mean? what was leigh trying to foreshadow?

I refuse to believe the phrasing of it means nothing, because in the context of this scene, it can't mean nothing. this is kaz's next big journey. and it also references another big conversation from ck:

this scene from the geldrenner bathroom is so important because, in it, inej confronts kaz with the truth of his revenge arc (which essentially drives the plot of the entire duology): how is the person he became to ruin pekka different from pekka himself?

and again, kaz mentions building an empire and burning it.

so it has to have meaning. is it literal? will a big plot point in soc #3 involve kaz setting fire to the barrel? but if that's the case, why is it significant that he rebuilds it into something new beforehand?

or maybe it's figurative. at the very end of ck inej asks kaz to help her end slavery from his side of things in ketterdam. she mentions taking down the crooked politicians, the slave-owners, the... even less-moral barrel bosses. while it seems obvious that kaz's 'new empire' is a barrel under his control, what would become of a criminal empire under the thumb of a man indirectly helping to destroy it? perhaps it figuratively 'burns to the ground'.

so either kaz builds his empire, and then literally burns it to achieve something else, or kaz builds his empire and uses its own power to 'burn it' by helping something cleaner grow instead. maybe that's the connection to the bathroom conversation: maybe it's the way he finally proves himself to be different from pekka.

or maybe it's neither of those, and I'm completely off-base? either way it has to mean something big, and I would honestly love to hear more interpretations.

[lessnearthesun]

OH THAT’S SICK AND TWISTED

[purpleyin]

Been thinking about SOC3 & the Council of Tides + the idea that they live in hidden fabrikator made underwater structures that only they can access. Kaz getting involved due to threats, being very nervous about being under so much water with only their promise he's safe, for now.

[timeandspacelord]

I know Kaz is analogous to Inigo, but "to the pain" is right up his alley too

[kitconnor]

cb its mid august, literally almost six months to the DAY shadow and bone s2 was released and STILL no clear yes or no to the spin-off or a s3 like that's just criminal 😭

[caramelmiacchiato]

bro now yk what would be funny asf? if there were a scene in soc3 or in a fanfic where they needed kaz to be in two places at the same time so theyd need to tailor someone to look like him. while the guy needed to learn how to act like him the crows would be making fun of everything jshsjshsjshsh theyd also mess the fake kaz hair. js because. the og kaz would get so so so pissed off lmao

[thetorturedlovergirl]

The first time I read Crooked Kingdom I really believed that Matthias didn't die, HE COULD NOT HAVE DIED because my best friend told me that no one died in SOC and if someone died she would have already accidentally told me (also, she theorized a lot about a possible deaths in SOC3 if Leigh ever does that book, always telling me that no crow died in SOC) and I thought "oh yeah, if someone died she would be devastated so it makes sense yeah yeah no one dies."

AND UNTIL CHAPTER 41 I STILL BELIEVED THAT MATTHIAS WAS ALIVE EVEN THOUGH HIS DEATH HAD BEEN SPOILED TO ME A MONTH BEFORE (Instagram always spoiling me everything…) BECAUSE I TRUSTED HER!!! Chapter 40 was very confusing for me because, thinking that Matthias wasn't dead, I didn't understand much of the context until I texted her "oh, I really don't understand what's going on, is Matthias okay?" and she told me "no, love, he's dead. I lied. But I hope you can continue with your life after this."

I'm still heartbroken over this and even two years later I still think Matthias is alive and living his best life with Nina and Hanne. I don't care about canon because canon never cared about me.

[servantleverslutdrop]

If we are getting a SOC3, I really do want to see the Jesper Kaz relationship outside of Kaz being angry at Jesper and punishing him. I want to see the bestie moments. I want to see Jesper angry with Kaz. I want to see them joke around, fight and make up, save each other. Jesper was able to move on from his unrequited crush on Kaz with Wylan (which is what he deservesss), and Kaz showed his hand with how much he really cares for Jesper in CK, but I still want a sense of reconciliation between the two, after the years of hurt caused by Kaz's distance and casual cruelty.

[blueopinions49]

A Defense of SX3 Azula

Intro

So I've seen this typing for a loooong time already and honestly I've been coming around to it allot recently. And see if Azula is either a SOC3 or an SX3.

Why SOC3 (and why not)

While Azula portrays many of the E3 traits I believe that this typing is usually done by only looking at E3 traits not SOC3 traits. The social 3 believes that there is a place for them to belong. The LOOK (they can have or look for) status. How does this apply to Azula??? well it kinda does tbh. Azula is interested in the social opinion of others and is heavily interested in the push of the fire nation upon others. However wouldn't most of these things come with the princess territory? but is status Azura's true desire?

Why SX3 (and why not)

If I were to pinpoint Azusa's core desire in the series it would be parental validation but through the means of what? well in Azusa's case I think SX3 suits her better than SOC3. The SX3 looks to fill a slot in someone's life. In Azura's case she wants to fill the slot of Ozai's right hand girl. Unlike the SX2 the SX3 NEVER relinquishes their own desire to please the other. Which is why she adopts traits that her father has. His wishes are hers and crave for status seems almost complexity secondary to her desire to please her father.

Distinguishing SX3 vs SO3

For example to distinguish a E3 SX/SO over a E3 SO/SX let's look at Azula (3w4 SX/SO) vs Maergery Tyrell (3w2 SO/SX)

SX3 As mentioned above the SX3 looks to fill in a slot in someones life in which they can find their own purpose of being through adopting the object of desire's desire. They have their own needs and look to further others ambitions rather than the self. Healthy SX3 can become good mentors looking to help other rise of the top. In the case of Azula through furthering her fathers needs. SOC3 The SOC3 is purely about self marketing the SOC3 cares to be best at something and prove themselves to the grand. They dont further others ambitions other than their own. Healthy SOC3 take on a leader role to bring others up to part. In the case for Margery Tyrell through furthering her own needs to be queen.

Conclusion

I think ive come completely around to this typing I usually thought that 3w4 so/sp was the better typing however ive come around to SX3 as the more accurate one. However tell me your thoughts in case i got anything wrong.

PS- The Unhealthy/ Healthy E1 post is coming up soon but ive stalled quite a bit due to being busy with a Standardized Test. I'll try and post it soon.

[timeandspacelord]

No, what really gets me is that Ilya Morozova might still be alive and fucking around out there. We have no way of knowing. And if he is and watched his grandson do all that shit, what the fuck, man. Too busy with the otkazat'sya side of your family to care? Did you fuck off the known map or go to the Southern Colonies or the Wandering Isle or some shit?

He said "are we not all things" and then proceeded to be a deadbeat dad/granddad to half his family. Does he know about Ursa? Would he care?

I would pay Leigh Bardugo money if in SoC3: The Heist for Sankt Feliks' Heart, Ilya Morozova rolls up and then gets his shit rocked for Sucking™. Nikolai's like, "oh, so you're responsible for the dickhead who literally cut our country in half?" and fucking decks him

I just. God, this man. Sire of the Most Cursed Bloodline. Revered as a Saint. Terrible father to Baghra. Excellent father to her sister. Father of modern Grisha Theory. The Bonesmith. Creator of the three legendary Amplifiers. Arguably the most powerful Grisha to ever live. Documented user of merzost. Possibly insane. Like????? Sir who are you

[capinejghafa]

i will now settle for soc3.... whatever that will look like.

[meyhew]

with sab cancelled i hope and pray leigh can just… give up on the rumored soc3 and everything grishaverse (unless it’s a mal pov retelling) 🙏🏽 focus on nh3 and the adaptation. i NEED more darlingstern it is unbearable out here

[girls-againstgod]

Nina was "fat" because Leigh Bardugo was also for some time in her life. Now Leigh Bardugo takes Ozempic and lost all her weight. If a SoC3 is made there's a good chance Nina will be skinny now.

that's stupid with two o's 👍

[futureailist]

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