#Riverdale writers negativity

[bettydearest]

i appreciate how ras has answered the question of what if the first season was shit and didn’t have a plot

[izzysamosriverdale]

So Bugheads, what are we thinking?

[izzysamosriverdale]

They're OURS now - forever. Bughead was integral in establishing Riverdale as a fan-favorite show, they won awards and they are still clearly beloved by a majority of the RD fandom. Sadly, they were disrespected by the stupid writers of this show and Riverdale nosedived in popularity and became a dumpster fire as a result, yet Bughead brought many of us together in friendship and they inspired some amazing posts and fan fics! I have regrets (as does Bughead, clearly), but I'm so proud and happy to be a member of this wonderful community!

Thank you Riverdale for 7 Seasons of Bughead 💙

[bettydearest]

just finished the first episode of season 7

[izzysamosriverdale]

Barchies, just take your karmic L

Hey - Ted, Evan, Delusional BA Troll, slowburns, BarChonis, fake Jabithas, BA-slobbering hack journalists, etc. - RAS said NO! JUGHEAD was Betty's Angel, NOT Archie! Bughead are confirmed soulmates. Cry harder.

[izzysamosriverdale]

Thank you, Veronica! *applause* Yaaaaaas Queen

#because ofc it had to be done

[imreallyloveleee]

look if your reaction to geriatric finale betty is "ugh of course she's the main character the writers are obsessed with her" i do get it but please keep in mind that

- they have kept her trapped in a cycle of emotional abuse with her mother for SEVEN seasons and all indicators are that it will last to the bitter end

- they tore her out of the one relationship in her whole life that made her feel seen and secure and loved for what will likely remain the most blatantly out-of-character plot machination I've ever seen in my life

- the seven years that followed are mainly notable for the fact that she a) was kept in a dirt pit by a serial killer for several weeks and b) became a cop

- they put her in a fuck buddy relationship that she proactively ended only to later accept being his second choice for [reasons not found], relationship then proceeds as a series of red flags clearly suggesting that not only are they fundamentally incompatible (which she already said, out loud, on screen) but that the relationship also consistently makes her feel inadequate and bad for being herself

- they made her the actual biblical whore of babylon (??? still don't understand this one)

- and finally when there's a full-on reboot her sole character traits are "horny for literally anyone at any time" and "constantly angry at mom" who, again, is still abusing her

so like, you're correct, the writers are obsessed with her. they're obsessed with TORTURING HER

[bettyminicoop]

To be honest, it's very discouraging to me that #these stans just take what they're given and completely ignore any context.

Archie in s7 doesn't seem to love anyone. The only girl he was truly fascinated with was Veronica. Everyone else - well, Archie likes all the girls, no matter the details. He's such a good boy, he can't refuse anyone. Just give him direction.

- Look Archie, this is Cheryl. She needs a boyfriend right now. And by the way, she's not a virgin, so chances are you can get laid. - Cool, let's go. I can even marry her, I don't mind. I am a man, she is a woman, what else is needed for marriage, right? - You know, Archie, Cheryl changed her mind. But here's Betty. She is also a woman and she really wants to have sex. Write her a poem, she'll love it. - Cool! I'm in!

[satelliteinasupernova]

The closer we get to the end of the series, the more desperate I'm becoming to finally BE FREEEE

[izzysamosriverdale]

Bughead Bait - don't fall for it, don't give the show your views. Now they're going to screw us again for the rest of this rank 50s AU. But in the end, nothing that happens in the 50s is going to matter, so there's that.

[gottagobackintime]

I upset some I*zy stan with my previous post because I said in my tags that trash shows like Riverdale get season after season while shows like OFMD gets cancelled..

After all these years… am I… am I involved with fandom drama?? Do I get people who hate me and my opinions on my blog now?? Have I made it??

[bettydearest]

just suddenly remembered all the bughead parallels in s5 & s6 that had absolutely no payoff

[izzysamosriverdale]

This show is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen

RIVERDALE (2017 - PRESENT) 

[izzysamosriverdale]

Warning - insane rambling I received in my ask box today. HILARIOUS! lol

"BABE

My sweet, sweet child. (Or grown fucking woman) just stop watching the show. The way you whine and cry and sob and delude yourself is comedy but if you’re like making yourself ill, stop? Bughead is dead. Cole Sprouse is an abuser. You can delude yourself into 5x17 and resets BUT you know in your heart it’s over. So, just end it. (Your obsession, not your life lmao but since you’re a dumb ass who came understand basic television, I’d say you would really struggle to analyse that. It’s not worth it. Barchie endgame, babe :((( you can cry and threaten Ted and insist it is YOUR show and you’re not being catered too like the baby you are. But that doesn’t change the fact that the endgames are clear. Please, my god you’re pathetic. Your slow descend into insanity is fun but just like, watch another show.



And don’t bully and harass the writers this time! 😄"

[baobhanlore-art]

So Vivzie just tweeted this and I have thoughts that won't fit well into tweets so here I am

For starters, the criticism of fanfiction isn't targeted towards the queer aspects. In fact I've found that some of the most extreme critics of fanfiction culture are also queer people. From the fujoshi fandom that causes an extreme rise in MlM shipping but largely for fem gazey smut, the unrecognised untagged unhealthy relationship tropes, to the misogyny often within these works, stories like these come with many issues.

The criticism of writing feeling like fanfiction, especially towards Helluva Boss, is that the elements of the stories people heavily critique feel unnecessary, tropey, and derailing from consistency.

In The Circus, I do not fault the idea of a queer character having a childhood crush on a same sex friend. The problem is more to do with how it stunts the desperation Blitz has to keep his business alive, since he's no longer just sleeping with some rich guy but an old friend, and the sudden unexpectedness of their situation. It's also a common trope where the live interests actually knew each other as kids so it feels overdone and generic.

In Exes and Oohs, the mafia setting feels completely bizarre considering the intense bigotry and classism within the world. Not only that but the daddy issues, fridged mum, forced marriage and overall unrealistic depiction of the mafia is very common in fanfiction written by teens who do no research and just want the aesthetics.

Secondly, there are plenty of straight works that have a similar label attached to them. ACOTAR and TOH both have writers who originally wrote fanfiction and they didn't develop out of the negative habits within fanfiction writing. Therefore their original work feels like fanfiction. Riverdales "I'm weird, I'm a weirdo" speech was heavily critiqued for sounding like a fanfiction line.

Thirdly, a big reason for being compared to fanfiction is the unfinished feeling of the scripts. I've already pointed out in a previous post that some of the dialogue in Western Energy felt like it needed to be cut down by an editor. And most people agree that the situations and logic aren't often very well thought through, such as how the aging machine could have just been reversed or how DORKS should have been killed off. The scripts feel like loose first drafts that could use additional edits. Fanfiction usually doesn't have an editor or even a beta reader, I've seen more "no beta we die like *insert character*" tags in many of the fandoms I read for than "beta" tags.

If people critiqued the owl house for feeling fanficcy because it had a diverse cast in a highschool setting with a quirky MC, I'd agree it's a bad descriptor because it's directly the queer and neurodivergent stories that are being attacked. Or if Murder Drones was labelled as fanficcy because it has an edgy teen female MC I'd say it's unfair because a lot of girls genuinely act like that and deserve to be represented and have our stories told. But most of the criticism about Helluva Boss to do with its LGBT rep is less to do with its inclusion and more to do with people feeling it's falling into yaoi tropes. Not the fact it includes queer stories.

This is something We Are Not Alive said recently that such with me, but just because it's an indie project doesn't mean we have to settle for subpar writing. There are loads of indie productions you can support! Murder Drones, Lackadaisy, the animated Anne Frank movie, and these are just some of the more popular ones!

And I wish people would stop weaponising every single argument to try and defend issues in Helluva Boss. The fandom says "of course it has issues" then cries when we point that out.

[bettyminicoop]

I really don't have any expectations for this season.

But it pisses me off to no end that they go out of their way to pretend that Bughead never existed and that we made them up.