#No lore no hints no clues saying you can even find this thing

[magichats]

completely unrelated thought

I really hope Deltarune gets an Ozma boss just because it'd be deeply funny for a game like Deltarune

[ganondoodle]

I probably still wouldn’t have been a big fan of the game, but I don’t think I would have been NEARLY as upset about TotK if BotW didn’t seem like it was so obviously setting up plot points for a sequel. Like, you’re very clearly MEANT to wonder what malice is, and how Ganon became the Calamity instead of just the Demon King. Fi is awake again, where are they going either that? What’s the deal with the Triforce-shaped symbol on Zelda’s hand? There were a LOT of other things like that, and many of them had to do with overarching lore for the series.

I get it if they want to reboot the series, but “BotW 2” was the single worst game you could have done that with. It could have been an amazing conclusion to the original continuity.

EXACTLY, you, you get it

botw felt like the introduction to a vast world with secrets and hints to things that were planned to become a bigger thing- a big giant game as a big giant set up, and then ... like totk likes to do alot, it lacks a pay off, and that is something it even does within itself, cosntantly, set up and no pay off, or set up and the most boring and uninspired pay off you can really not even call that, from the bigger things like the whole dragon thing being hammered into your head as irreversible and then it IS reversible.. out of nowhere without you having to do fuck all, the whole thing with the ancient hero beign a big mystery with lots of interesting ideas attached and then its some weird ass dog creature that doesnt resemble any other race with, of course, sonau armor, bc there nothing that isnt sonau in that game, even finding the old treasure maps you can find that then lead to amiibo stuff from botw id call that

botw wasnt that great with rewards either but exploring the world and wondering about those, surely intentionally, placed mysterious and intriguing designs and places did alot for making it so interesting to think about, totk fumbles it all and even the new stuff doesnt even come close to that environmental storytelling botw was so great at, sonau ruins? ha they look entirely different than in botw actually, bc those were built by hylians you see, the actual sonau stuff is in prime condition considering the time thats passed and its all the same blank blocky blocks that serve no purpose but to be a place for you to find a thing or exchange some currency- the most you can think about it is ... that the sonau hollowed out the entire underground of hyrule, every inch of the map, ... which is WEIRD and doesnt exactly make them look that good but ... thats all there is

at least with the shiekah it made somewaht more sense and it felt much less .. invasive? and you didnt have anyone from that time to talk to, other than dead monks whos only purpose is to give you their last piece of their own spirit, but in totk ... raurus ghost and mineru too are both just there to talk to but DONT tell you shit but vague hints that were already clear, the sky islands used to be on the ground? oh you dont say, you see them there in the stupid memories! and dont get to know how they got up there and theres nothing that can clue you in to that, its just sonau magic yet again i guess

dont even get me started on the whole malice/miasma thing, it made so much SENSE that there was a source of it, someone that has keep kept in a horrible place just between life and death for thousands of years trying to break free by their hate and anger manifesting to such a degree its literally spilling out and building creppy eyeballs, mouths and ribcage like structures like they are trying to rebuild themsleves outside of their awful prison no one knows about is so damn compelling, but no, actually, the guy trapped there was the msot evilest evar, was sealed bc him evil and no other motive, and the previously mentioned stuff is pretty much utterly unceonnected, and his magic beign miasma with red instead of pink and no creepy body parts was the true version of it, that pink one was its own thing heehooo SHUT UP argh

it doesnt help that really, i dont feel like the sonau were set up either, they were a tiny part in botw, really only serving to make the world seem more ancient and more full of history, having ruins from a past civilization there you know nothing about and cant find out more is so good, its compelling and sad and makes the world feel more real, just shoving them into everything, being the center of attention all of thes udden and not even the architecure fitting feels so ... forced, i really truly believe the og sonau werent meant to be more than that, but in their fear of the game being too similarly looking like botw they took the sonau to replace the shiekah with them- imo the shiekah were the ones set up to be deeper explored in botw, with their whole misstreatment by the royal family in the past, monk miz kyoshia reacting the same way a yiga commander would was deliberate and brings up even more interesting ideas, the comments about where the mysterious energy the ancient shiekah used to power everything being concentrated in certain regions?? thats a big ass set up, the fact that the center of what is signaling everything to reactivate being below hyrule castle? the fact the whole arena thing was BUILT INTO THE CASTLE or it on top of it is so??? cool??? and sso damn intriguing, we are scratching the surface of their history- but then no, actually, the sonau are the cool new shit those other ones just uh ... disappear, also the sonau did everythign the shiekah did but even better wayy before them haha

its like they didnt want to tackle the more complicated stuff with the shiekah, their relationship to the royal family and how the yiga ... have a point and a good reason- so they replaced them with entirely new purely goodest good guys that did the same stuff before them with none of the history attached :))

this is why im so insistent on it not really being a sequel, thers no follow up on anything that was set up, NOTHING, and no, a couple having a kid now or whatever isnt a follow up on an interesting set up, how hard is it to understand that-

.... listen to me rambling, you probably know all that already nhjdfkbnkd

(i know i always bring up the shiekah but ... they were so central in botw, while also not taking up every single corner- unlike some other ones >_____>, with so much interesting stuff to connect and think about, i cared about them so much i felt kicked down the stairs by their treatment in totk)

[jess-the-vampire]

Wanna add more insight as to why people are as bothered by not revealing the wittebane story more from a fan perspective, i’ve already talked about why it bothers people in regards to belos’s character, but here’s partially why i think fans feel the sense of lacking they do:

I think what especially bothers people about not getting the complete answers on the caleb/evelyn/philip story is compared to other stories within the series, this one not being explained is a big outlier, because the show is actually decent at setting up stuff that they’ll answer afterwards.

Hollow Mind works as well as it does because all of the reveals in it are stuff you could of figured out beforehand due to all the clues being thrown around, there are hints to the grimwalkers, to caleb and evelyn, to flapjack being caleb’s, it rewards the viewers for paying attention to the stuff they were showing us.

Like “Here’s an open grimwalker page” and “Here’s the statues, doesn’t the faces on them look familiar?”

But then they still dangle some key elements, leaving some for later after hollow mind. No full answers to the door, what exactly happened between caleb and philip during the fight, ect ect

Which is fine, because you expect answers later.

And this continues with a lot of the other mysteries too, collector’s backstory gets foreshadowing before it’s reveal, lilith cursing eda has foreshadowing before it’s reveal, even manny having passed away is something you might pick up on before we’re told.

The show is actively showing you evidence and then rewarding you for paying attention by giving answers to the setups without many loose threads.

the show loves to show you the audience “Hey look at this thing, this will be important later”, and then have to come back with the answers it promised.

Though the show was cut, so not everything it wanted to resolve was, the story of evelyn, caleb and philip kept going post cut and kept ramping up, most of s2b involves caleb hints in every single episode.

And when you are making him sound important and then then continuing to make him and evelyn both relevant in s3, the audience is waiting for the promised reward for putting all the pieces together, and then...nothing happens.

the show asks you to pay attention to the door eda finds with a scratch on it, to the tale of the brothers, to the ghost of caleb, to flapjack knowing caleb and knowing about the blood, and there’s no answers to most of it.

You can’t even say most of the stuff missing were small either, like we don’t need the holes in collector’s story answered too much, but there’s almost too much in the wittebane story to really breeze over.

When jacob shows you a picture of a burning building and says “Tragedy struck” before explaining the brothers were lost, you think “Oh, i can't wait to understand what this means”....and to this day we don’t have any idea what that tragedy was.

Why was evelyn on earth? no clue. Was caleb even planning to see philip again? no idea. Why didn’t the door work for luz who used philip’s notes correctly and completely? who knows.

Like there are things brought up, that not even small details in the show can answer,

There could be something really neat about having this whole story in the bg that fans figure out mind you, the problem is there’s too many large gaps that can’t really be filled in by what we get.

So while you can pick up on a lot and put a lot together from what we get, there’s still not enough, heck, people who have looked into this lore still have very different ideas on a lot of stuff because the gaps are so wide.

And while the show was cut, it also put most of this out there, after the cut, we know this because the cut happened during ER and collector was added post cut, so KKKOHD was a point where we can confirm everything was being written with the cut in mind.

So a lot of this stuff about the wittebanes being implied, was written to fans to notice and draw their attention to, while not planning to fully answer it seems.

The ghost haunting the narrative is a neat idea, but it feels less like ghosts and more like half finished set ups.

I think manny works better as a ghost in the narrative because there’s no gaps with him, you get everything you need to understand what he means to the characters and story and there’s no lingering mysteries about him, At best you can just pick out stuff about him from the bg which are more like bonus stuff then anything. There’s no expectations that we’ll meet him or see him, or that we need more then we get.

They set him him up, and they pay him off in the story, we get what we need and we don’t need more.

While with evelyn and caleb, while they do haunt the story and everything ties back to them, not only does the show leave so much about them in the dark that the only reason people figure this out is through theories and going online for the information, but even the show won’t acknowledge how important they are to the main story, they’re almost treated as if their story doesn’t matter to the main one even tho the main story wouldn’t have happened without theirs.

When philip’s reasons for his actions are explained, we aren’t even told caleb had anything to do with it, or even evelyn for that matter. You almost don’t even need caleb or evelyn in the story at all for most of the plot to happen given the show ends almost acting like they meant nothing in regards to what happens.

it’s even more unusual because the main characters never mention them either, gus knows the story more because he saw philip’s memories but he never mentions anything about what he saw outside of the grimwalker thing.

You would kinda think seeing the memories would imply gus could tell hunter who caleb was, which given hunter was worried about that would kinda be important, but it never comes up.

The kids are told about caleb, told about evelyn, but they never talk about it or bring it up. Hunter sees his own palisman be recognized by philip, that it was aware of the rebus, which he finds out later was caleb and evelyn’s, but again....has nothing much to say about his own ortet knowing flap at all.

it is as if the show is going out of it’s way to have the main cast ignore them, even tho there’s no reason why they should, especially not hunter or gus.

again, there is a lot to wrap up, and tbh even i doubted they would explain everything about this, but given they gave it the time they did, even despite the cut, it’s more baffling the show ended almost making it out to be irrelevant.

even if they couldn’t explain everything, we still needed something 

because as is, it almost feels like a waste of time to even focus on that story at all.

and even if we do get a spinoff for this, this was written with the idea the show would not get one, so it ended expecting what we were given to be good enough for fans.

And for some, it was.

But in a show where it went out of it’s way to set up a lot of stuff it paid off, to keep setting up stuff for this particular plot and leave with very little actually answered is something people are gonna find frustrating.

They clearly wanted people to care, to want answers, and then didn’t even give them anything and then kinda told them it wasn’t even relevant to the main story or to the cast at all.

it sorta leaves people wondering why they were told to be invested in the first place.

[yukidragon]

hi im super new to swwsdj and its lore and i gotta ask, how exactly did jack die? was he murdered was it an onset accident and if so how did that accident go? if we dont truly know then whats ur hc for what happened to him? u seem to be the leading authority on the game since anytime i google it, ur blog shows up pretty prominently.

Wait, me, a leading authority of the game? Prominently featured in google searches? WHAT?

Pardon me, I was just a little overwhelmed for a second there. I'm flattered and flustered all at once. I'm just a silly fan who likes to ramble all the thoughts I have for this lovely game. I had no idea that I rambled enough to be a prominent search result on google. Wow.

The real authority of the game are the kind folks over at SnaccPop Studios. You can check them out over at their patreon, twitter, and tumblr. Also, there's an official tumblr and twitter for Sunny Day Jack that you might consider checking out.

While I'm getting disclaimers out of the way, I also want to make sure to credit them and the awesome Sauce for their lovely art and for being cool with me putting their art in posts like these to help discuss their fabulous game. It really helps illustrate what I'm talking about when I can show the actual illustrations.

Also, remember not to share anything privately posted on the patreon!

Anyway... back to the topic. While we can't say with complete certainty what happened to Jack in 1984 on the day he died, since the game's story is still in development, evidence strongly hints that he was murdered. I theorized in the past that he was shot due to some teaser art and some sprites Sauce was kind enough to share that show him with what look suspiciously like gunshot wounds.

How the incident went down exactly is unknown, but this teaser certainly shows the brutal aftermath. Not to mention the demo shows us hints in the form of childish doodles before the start of the game. It seems there were children in the audience who witnessed the final moments of Sunny Day Jack...

This bit of lost media from Sauce's old twitter is still so chilling to think about. Any development art can't be technically counted as canon if it's not on any official SDJ page, but this heavily suggests how the incident went down.

As for my headcanons about what happened... They've developed somewhat over time, as you can see in a few of my previous posts here, here, and here. I also touched on it in a potential storyline idea for my fanfic, Sunshine in Hell, with my version of his sunshine, Alice, being the reincarnation of someone who unfortunately witnessed the incident. I also played with an AU idea where MC/Alice time travels back to 1984 to stop the murder from happening.

While we do have hints that Jack was the victim of murder, and even what might have been the cause of death, we don't have any clues as to why it happened. We also don't know why his soul was trapped in the tape and turned him into the ghost(?) we know and love. We have a lot of speculation, from his past as Joseph Cullman catching up to him in a violent way, a jealous co-star wanting to take him out, or even a conspiracy set up by LambsWork Productions itself. It could go in any direction at this point.

Sorry I can't offer a definitive answer as to how Jack died or why, but I hope this at least gives you a few things to think about. I'm definitely looking forward to finding out the answers when the full game is released.

@channydraws @earthgirlaesthetic @sai-of-the-7-stars @cheriihoney @illary-kore @okamiliqueur

[kaija-rayne-author]

Ugh I can’t not theorize. I’ve been at it non stop. Once a story catches my interest my brain just going into hyper speed trying to figure out how the writers (if they do a good job) will bring all of their themes, hints, etc to fruition. All I’m missing is a cork board, pins, and miles of red string.

What’s super exciting this time is I’m actually dealing with a property where the writers are….good? I’m so used to being disappointed when fan theories (often my own) turn out to be much better than the canon, but I don’t see that happening here. Weekes is clearly a masterful writer and knows how to build up to a satisfying twist.

Because you just know another twist is coming. Solas, despite everything, is just too soft hearted to make a convincing final boss. It couldn’t be more obvious that being The Dreadwolf and putting aside his own conscience takes every ounce of energy he has. Eventually he’ll have his breaking point and that’s when we’ll find out who our true villain is.

It’s Mythal. I’ll eat my damn hat if it isn’t. She’s either not the person Solas remembers, or maybe she never was. In either case, there’s been plenty of clues both in DAI and in subsequent materials (specifically Tevinter Knights) to imply that there’s something else going on here.

We keep seeing imagery of the Dreadwolf as a mutant abomination that is part wolf and part dragon. It’s easy to point to the end credit scene of DAI and say “well yeah he fused with Mythal who is a dragon” and sure it looked that way…but is that actually what happened?

We saw Flemeth part with some form of magical energy before Solas arrived. We also know that she’d taken the soul of Uthemiel from Kieran. Uthemiel happens to be a dragon, or was until he was tainted and became an Archdemon.

Archdemons can control Darkspawn. And taking a Darkspawn army past the Veil to enact vengeance upon the Evanuris sees like something Flemeth would do. But that doesn’t seem like something Solas would want. His agenda has always been to fix his past mistakes and tear down the Veil for the greater good. He doesn’t seem that fond of Darkspawn, in fact he was pretty pissed at the Wardens for screwing around with them.

Where I’m going with this, is I think it’s entirely possible Solas is being used. He may have unwittingly fused himself with an Archdemon, assuming it was the essence of Mythal. The real plan, now that plan A failed, might be turning him into an Archdemon so Flemeth/Mythal can use him to start another blight and wield the darkspawn. Corypheus managed to mind control an Archdemon, so clearly it can be done.

And if that’s the case, then ooooooh boy.

Poor Solas.

OMG. I missed this one and I'm so glad I finally found it!

What a fascinating idea. Holy shitballs.

Okay, so I just restarted DAO, I'll be on the lookout through these playthroughs (I'm doing DA2 next, then probably DAI again, because I'm an utter sucker for lore) for hints about all that!

I thought the whole point of the dark ritual w/Morrigan was to purify Urthemiel's 'soul' through being born as an innocent child. But what if that didn't work?

But then, wouldn't Kieran have shown signs of taint? Hmmm. Maybe not, given it's just the soul?

I'm still not convinced that Flemythal parted with any kind of energy in that scene. BUT if she did... well, she's pulled the whole 'soul piece recovery schtick' before. So if it was energy or a soul, it could've been hers. Leaving just Urthemiel. Which would very possibly warp Solas into a dragon/wolf thing. And Mythal is very used to Solas going along with what she wants. So it feels like something she wouldn't think twice about. She uses Morrigan too, and Kieran, so it’s definitely something she's used to doing.

I have a strong feeling Solas is indeed being used. And has been since he was 'born' from the fade. There's a lot of hints to his resignation, nay, even belief that it's right that Mythal used him. (This is... common, in abuse survivors, FWIW.)

But I believe it's canon that his forehead scar came from when he burnt off Mythal's Vallaslin? I have to see if I can find that again. I can't remember where I read it.

I think Mythal will be rather unpleasantly surprised in the spine Solas has developed since her 'murder'. He doesn't seem at all likely to me to be all 'hey! My enslaver is back! Let me just get my slave brands again'. Now, if he were still truly alone, he might just cave into it because man, does Solas have some pretty massive Mythal issues. Not sure if he regards her as his mom or something else or a mix of things, urk.

BUT he's not actually truly alone anymore is he? No matter how hard he tries to be. A Romanced Lavellan can tell him "Var lath vir suledin" which translates sorta, into "Our - love - way/path - endure/strength to withstand loss."

So he knows he's not alone. That inky will absolutely go to the mat for him. He has actual friends, too. He said Bull has him, if you don't betray Bull w/the Chargers. Solas doesn't strike me as someone to say that lightly.

So, he also knows he has friends, too.

I think, if Mythal actually is the big bad (kinda hoping for this tbh) she's gonna have a rather rude awakening when it comes to Solas. Who, from all I can tell, has always willingly served her whims. Because she was 'the best of them' doesn't mean she was actually good.

I talked about how he's heavily neurodivergent coded before, and we're generally loyal to a fault, which Solas very much shows.

But we do also often, eventually, reach a 'no more' point. After which, we'll absolutely close all those doors we'd previously left open.

If Solas acts the way I suspect he might, he'd then use everything he knows about Mythal and the Evanuris to help the game protag (I still wish I could just carry my inky over) defeat the buggers.

But what would it take for him to finally reach that point with Mythal? Mommy issues are soooo hard to deal with in therapy because it's so damned easy to backslide.

Hurting Inky? Doing something that will destroy the fade (like marching a darkspawn army into it)? Making him betray all of his followers who truly believe in him and his goals of freeing enslaved elves?

Solas deeply believes that slavery is wrong. In a way that makes me think he was actually enslaved at one point. Obviously to Mythal.

Oh, fuck me. What an amazing story they could tell about the whole 'but there were good slave owners' bullshit nonsense some people like to spout.

Of course, I still really wish Bioware would tell a story with a disabled protag. Which the end of Inquisition really would set up nicely. But given their shit disability rep, I know not to hold my breath over that.

[kadextra]

Alright let’s talk about q!Fit lore, long post

Recap: He remembers his life before the island unlike the others- being in the warzone and the reason he accepted the train invitation to Quesadilla Island. q!Fit’s mysterious employer had sent him to the island to obtain/retrieve an unknown “something” there. However, they had no clue that the island was already occupied by The Federation. q!Fit has been stuck here the past 76 days, but has overall enjoyed this time and the happiness, love and peace his egg child Ramon gives him. But now that so long has passed he’s feeling pressured to return back to his mission. q!Fit knows the island is dangerous with the Federation, the Codes, and is scared for his son. He is also worried for his new friends who are suffering, but whatever this “something” he needs to retrieve is, it grows in value proportional to suffering. He bypassed the Federation’s firewall to send a message to his employer about what he’s learned, saying “I hope you find what you’re looking for.” But the message failed to connect…

Yeah there’s another organization out there. They want something from the island, but apparently had no idea the Federation has taken it over. This kinda proves that the Federation has not always been on the island, they occupied it at some point. Perhaps 20 years ago…?

Anyways there’s at least 4 organizations we know of at play

The Federation - keep residents happy, prevent them from leaving the island

The Codes - make residents want to leave the island

Masked person’s - ???? unknown, gave Sofia to Max

Fit’s - obtain something on the island

oh q!Fit, the character you are. imagine living in a war torn place for years, a mercenary for hire, being given a mission like usual. When you go to that place you instead find true joy for like the first time in your life. But your obligations are pulling you back, and what you’re doing could endanger your newfound friends and son which is the LAST thing you want to happen, because you’ve learned to open your heart and love so much. gah. ow.

I’ll speculate a bit on what Fit needs to obtain on the island now. All we have to go off is this vague hint: what could grow in value if there is suffering/conflict?

Data. maybe like personal information collection of things from the players like human emotions, or the island

Resilient people. those who can grow through suffering, handle tough situations, potential warrior material

The island itself. there might be something here that is geographically important, and as more people settle it will be uncovered

The dragon mother, if she’s even real. idk maybe an angry dragon would be helpful to them?

Something else supernatural/scifi. remember, the island is canonically located in the middle of point nemo- the most inaccessible location on earth. no life grows there. it’s used for crashing space vessels. theorized to be the home of Cthulhu in mythos. why send someone to this weird place?

That’s all I got rn, can’t wait to find out more

[pinkyjulien]

🌈 Queerness in CyberPunk 2077

I wanted to make this post earlier this month but got caught up in modding shenanigans, as per usual~

BUT! It's still June, still pride, so here it is :>

▶ DISCLAIMER

All of this is my analyses, headcanons, of different characters, some of them not confirmed at all in anyway or form! I'm a queer man myself, but I do not claim to know everything about queerness and being queer, everyone experience the game and interpret the characters differently 🤲 This is only my opinions, based off canon game events, clues, hints, as well as developpers's tweets, streams, files datamining etc etc Please do not see this thread as an attack, or as something invalidating! I'm more than curious to heard what you think about my personal analyses, if you agree, if you don't, and why! If you think other characters also display hints of queerness I'd love to hear it too! 💙

This picture is an update I did in 2022 of lil collage I did back in 2021~

I posted the first version on Reddit back in 2021 and it created this whole "what do mean JOHNNY is GAY?" (because a rainbow behind a man automatically means he's Gay and nothing else right) and a lot of biphobia over his character in particular (gasp- THE rockerboy?! Biseggsual?? In my viddy game??)

▶ You can look at the thread here and have a lil laugh

SO, NATURALLY, after doing the 2022 collage, I went and uploaded it to reddit once again! Because triggering bigots and seeing them stumble over their own tongues trying to debunk everything is really funny ✨

However, I instantly muted the thread and let it rot in its own sauce for some days, weeks, only coming back to it later and Oh Boy 👀

I did a thread on Twitter last year exploring everything that was said on the thread and explaining why I put certain characters on it

Thought it'd be cool and fun to re-explore that and share my thoughts with y'all here SO LETS GET BACK TO IT 😌🤙

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I'll mainly paste screenshots of what I already said on my twitter thread, but I might add some things there and there!

Damn I was kinda pissed off back then HGHFHGF but yeah, this is also the reason I won't ever make any straight or super straight flags I do not headcanon Delamain as Asexual, as there isn't any confirmation anywhere that he's interest in that kind of interaction or not, but I'll come back to him later!

Goro being canonly Queer is often missed, and this surprises me, considering he's one of the popular character! He is interested (or not) equally in both Fem and Masc V, giving he's replying to them the exact same ways! This isn't something done randomly by the devs :)

As said in the tweet, there isn't any direct and clear evidence of Mitch and Scorpion being a couple! Their relationship is heavily queer coded and queer people are more easily picking up on it than non-queer peoeple (and that's normal) Gay men have called their male partner Friend, Best friend and Brother through history maaaany many time, and that's part of my interpretation of their relationship too, especially giving they're both veterans who fought in the same war. The poem Mitch wrotes during "I'll Fly Away" (heavily implied) is romantic and gay coded, the gay novel in Mitch's tent (confirmed to be on purpose) is what we call environnemental story telling, it's subtle but adds to a character's backstory and lore! As for the datamining, I found a Mitch awkwardly explaining to V that no, Saul doesn't have any say in whatever he's doing with Scorpion stuff "because.... because... eh, that's just family stuff"

Note on Delamain here because I've heard it even caused some drama here on Tumblr that I said that? He uses He/Him to describe himself, the Main Entity, but multiples of his splites entities uses She/Her, meaning he's literally Non-Binary in how his entity is formed (I find it really cool for an AI ngl ngl) However if my headcanon offended anyone, I apologize! and I'd love to hear others interpretation :3

There isn't any open and visible MLM gay couple in Cyberpunk 2077! Bouncing off ElvenBeard's amazing analyses and thoughts on Kerry's sexuality, he can be seen as Bisexual (confirmed by RTAL themselves) and Homosexual (confirmed by the devs before and after the game released) he can be Both and Both are correct depending on how you view his character and how he grew from his past relationship (Bisexual with a masc preference, Bisexual who have to heal from his marriage, Gay man who realized his sexuality later after a wonky marriage, etc)

The whole "Responsability=Wife" Takemura take angers me to no end, taking its roots in heteronormativity- We see Goro care for his job above all else, to me that's what his "responsability" is and always was; his job

Nothing more to add here- Jackie's only relationship we see in game is with Misty, this doesn't confirm nor deny anything! (However with how he react to V pushing him, lip-bitting and all regardless of gender, I can totally see him as being queer)

AND That's about it!

It was interesting to dig into that thread last year and thought I'd share that here, as a refresher that Johnny is Bi, Takemura too, and smaller characters like Mitch and Evelynn still have clear hints of queerness to them ✨

I really like how CP77 touches on queerness, it feels realistic, it doesn't feel forced; which, sadly, create this problem of "UH?? This is pure LIES" if a character's sexuality is not splattered in your face, which then create the "Ugh why does it have to be forced down our throat" complains

Something something, lesson here is that people will always complain about queerness, be it loud, be it subtle, so fuck it! Scream it, go apeshit over small details, over-analyse everything cause chances are: this is intentional!

More Characters

I later noticed that Regina have a naked lady tattooed on her forearm, and since we know nothing is done randomly in CDPR's video games, makes me think that she might be sapphic in some way ✨

Mateo is also one of my fav "potential queer", how he could be a trans man, but there isn't anything really to support that other than that one interaction with V

▶ Link to the updated collage Reddit Thread

▶ Link to my Twitter breakdown

[madness-poison-chat]

Welcome Home: Everything I found + some thoughts

This is my first proper post on this site. And after getting past the frustrating sign-up stuff, I really like this site. I'm planning on putting my toon skull on my pic for recognisbility, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

You all came here for Welcome Home's secrets, and here I will provide.

-There's an eye on the rock Wally's sitting on, which looks creepy. (And between us I find that looking at Wally's staring images are terrifying when on-website).

-All of the character voices rock. My favourites being Sally (she's my beloved), Howdy ("How's about a cauffie to keep ya goin' at the pahty?") and Poppy (Bri'ish + she makes chicken noises when flustered; great work).

-The crayon gifs lead to audios of Wally being his Other Mother self. It's possible that they're snippets of a full conversation he's having with someone.

-The interview segment has YouTuber Night Mind playing the guy asking questions. If you don't know who NM is, he's known for the little act of... Oh I don't know, ACTIVATING THE WH HYPE TRAIN?! Yep; supporting the supporters! (Wonder if MatPat will make a cameo?)

-On the exhibition page, if you click the word "answer" you're lead to a picture of someone's struggle to find a password and a strange red safe. The sage's numbers are replaced with symbols relating to the characters (awesome code there). It asks for a word password.

-Around all the pages are insect gifs. If you press them, you're lead to footage of...stuff, with the characters chatting off-screen. Here's the twist: at the end of each video, even though he shouldn't have any relevance, the characters call for Wally. At that point, the audio "base clefs" and the video glitches (spooky). I think these are live feeds into the WH world through Wally's eyes.

-Here's where my mind got stupid: these videos are all named "answer", and with the safe from before, I expected visual/dialogue clues to reveal the code. In one video, there's a nine-by-nine grid (like for the buttons), and in another Julie lists her favourite colours (I thought they related to the code grid or the spheres in Poppy's grid). Turns out though- I'm stupid.

-The real password involves answering the questions on a sheet in the exhibition area (of which will be ease to answer if you read the character bios). If you take the first letter of each answer from 1 to 5 (all in caps), you enter the "staff only area". (Here we go...)

-The text on the top of this page is written by someone on the WHRP describing their declining sanity as they hallucinate Wally at their bed-end and their endless questions about Welcome Home. This is no doubt the person Wally is trying to talk to in those audio recordings.

-And here's one final thing I think not many lore-scavagers have found... If you hover over the photos on the Staff Only page, you can more clearly read the letters in them. And one of them mentions how the black "paint" on the shipped merch shouldn't be touched by human hands lest they get nausea and hallucinations. This reveals 3 things.

1: The "paint" is of supernatural nature.

2: With the ooze below Home in the neighborhood, it's clear that IT's very real and in control of the "barrier".

3: It's extremely likely that our protagonist's night terrors were triggered and are still being fueled by the ooze.

So that's all I have. But one final thing I'll say here is that Welcome Home's plot reminded me of something I loved, but I couldn't remember until now: Coraline. Both stories centre around a surreal sub-world full of childhood desire, the inhabitants of both worlds are desperate to have the protag stay (forever), both worlds have dark and sombre secrets beneath them, and both of their main "threats" are the most desperate for the protag, but hint at something else forcing them to do this (or something controlling them in some way).

Anyway, that's everything I have for this looong blog. Stay inky Mes Amis. -💀🖋️

[louisetteschuunishenanigans]

(Apparently y'all liked when I posted about Danganronpa and I got this hc I want out there so here comes the food guys)

Is it likely we'll ever get another Danganronpa game? Nah

Do I want this nonexistent game to be about Rantaro's killing game and do I know exactly how it must end anyway? Hell yeah

Of course it's entirely possible that the Ultimate Survivor thing isn't a unique case in the in-universe DR franchise and it's just a way of bringing back a fan-favourite candidate like they probably do on reality shows.

But wouldn't it be MUCH more fun if Rantaro alone got that title bc he really was the sole survivor of his game, in what could have been a first in the series?

The thing with a series being as formulaic as DR is that the same structure becomes expected. NDRV3 Trial 1 worked so well bc according to The Formula, everyone can die EXCEPT the protagonist, so throwing that out the window is an instant shocker so long as it's decently executed. And while I have my issues with Kaede's plan and her just jumping to killing the mastermind like that (idk it just felt ooc for her to resort to killing so soon), I can't deny the twist was very well prepared and all that stealth foreshadowing HURTS on second watch.

So when all the shit in NDRV3 Chapter 5 happened, no one, not a single mf believed that could be it, because according to The Formula, all the actually important lore shows up on Trial 6 alongside the Mastermind, and the game can't end before that reveal. No one believed in the unsolvable case, because The Formula says there is always one culprit and there can never be a wrong answer. This, even when actually having more than one culprit would actually make a more interesting story as previously stated.

But with Rantaro's game? The fact that he survives isn't too bad a foregone conclusion when we still have to discover HOW he survived, who else was with him and how they died. But what of Trial 6, when everything about the Mastermind (Tsumugi/Junko) and the meta aspects is foregone conclusion?

So... How about we just skip Chapter 6 entirely? What if we overthrew The Formula by stopping at Trial 5, if there is nothing more shocking a Trial 6 could possibly do?

So if Rantaro really is the sole survivor of his game. Okay, the idea of the protagonist soloing a trial against the Mastermind is actually pretty awesome, but isn't there a more plausible explanation as to why only one person would walk out of a killing game alive?

Imagine going through an intense trial, but finally coming close to the truth and uncovering the killer's plot, and getting to the vote... Only, for the first time in the franchise, to see the result be WRONG. To realize the game pulled a little unreliable narrator on us and the "truth" was just the narrative the very character we play as wanted us to follow. To witness what a mass execution is like at last and for it to unveil Rantaro as the first blackened to have successfully gotten away with it.

And for the game to just. End there, without the expected Trial 6.

Now imagine replaying through that chapter knowing the end and picking up on all the subtle hints of what Rantaro was doing behind everyone's back, even ours. Worse, replaying the game and following the Ultimate Adventurer's character development along the whole game now knowing it all culminates with him finding the resolve to betray all the other students.

Oh how cruel and utterly beautiful that would be </3

(Bonus headcanon I got while reviewing this before posting: What if that game introduced red herring truth bullets, as in clues you collect that are never meant to be used at all in the trial and just here to misguide the player, so an added difficulty is now picking out the right clues that will lead to the truth. But in hindsight, the final trial turns out to have been about picking your clues to derail the trial and push YOUR narrative when some of the "red herrings" were clues that could've exposed you)

[iepurasdepraf]

what are ur thoughts on the new elden ring dlc?

Short story:

Long story: (Spoiler Warning)

I've been playing Souls gams for a long long time.

I've been here since Demon Souls. I've played Bloodborne and loved it. I've played Fromsoft's other games like Echo Night and King's Field. They're all highly detailed games with lore overflowing and woven between the stories like the guiding steps of a monk on a pilgrimage that lets you walk while it shows rather than tells a lot of the time leading to the formation of a highly talented and creative fandom that's foundation is very solidly anchored on discussing, debating, and theorizing on that lore. We are all deeply passionate about all that delicate handicraft Fromsoft put in.

That said...

I feel like the DLC was a rare miss.

Stay with me here. Not all of it. The new weapons? Mint. The new characters? Mint. New locations? Mint. New items? Mint. It's nearly all fucking mint. Oh my god, I love all the new St. Trina lore. I love the new perfumer equipment. I love Messmer, he's just one giant Vlad the Impaler/Dracula reference.

Tell me this isn't peak boss design and I'll call you a filthy liar.

However, much like Detective Comics Comics keeps doing, they tripped over their own feet and absolutely fumbled the ending which, because it was the ending, made the disappointment so much more impactful.

If it had been a midpoint I'd have shrugged it off, we all would have, but as a writer, I have to say that fumbling the ending is shooting yourself in the foot. You can have a rough start. You can have a mishandled middle section. The ending though is where you have to give your all and this one felt completely disconnected from the lore, from the story, and even from the gameplay.

Not to be

But I can not find anywhere any hints that Miquella's intent was to bring back Radahn. You know who all the hints and clues pointed to?

Godwyn.

Remember him?

You know

The giant festering mermaid corpse thing that's spreading like a cancer across the lands? The one who was so beloved by Miquella that he had a sword made praying for his brother to die a true death? The brother that built walking mausoleums to help his kin run from destined death just long enough so he could find the answer to soulessness to bring them back in spite of demigods never dying before and no one knowing if they even could?

The deeper you dig the less sense this ending makes and I'll spare you my entire deep dive. I'm not saying being a manipulator is out of character for Miquella. I'd dare say him being manipulative is often overlooked which is an entire other discussion. I do not see it as out of character for him to use his ability to bewitch people to reach his ambitions, but to kill Mohg to bring back Radahn is suspect. Nothing hinted to that and the tacked on "new lore" of it happening all along is suspect.

I have to stop talking about it or I'll keep going.

Even from a gameplay perspective the ending is a massive miss. It's not fun. Radahn has none of his impressive moveset and Miquella doesn't even use the spells he created to make it slightly more interesting. It's not even hard, it barely stacks against the dancing lion that set the brutal tone for the DLC. It's just... Lothric and Lorian again. We've played this part. We've beat this boss and how can you manage to make Miquella and Radahn the less impressive ones?

All of that said...

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT MOHG. I WAS RIGHT THE ENTIRE TIME AND GOT CALLED EVERYTHING BUT MY NAME FOR IT. FUCK YOU.

I WAS RIGHT.

[chaoticookie]

I like Manhwas, specially those cliché isekai or revival ones. But one I absolutely hate in this moment is Lady Baby.

It started very well, with a cool lore to explain what happened before and kind of a investigation to know why she returned. The main character was quite interesting and very traumatized - wich only makes it more interesting, because she'd have to deal with her traumas in this new life right?

Wrong!

Putting aside a few people that makes her shudder, there is absolutely NO progression of character except for absurd changes in her behavior. She was stabilished as a fragile girl with a new purpose in life!... But she turns out to be perfect in every way possible.

One thing that makes me cringe to this day is when she spoke her first words as a baby. I kid you not, she made a whole speach in thanks for being birth. Wich would have been hilarious if it wasn't taken so seriously.

God, she absolutely rules everyone in that family! All the characters do whatever she wants because... because.

Whenever she needs to do something the author pulls a random flashback to show how she was good at it in her first life and rolls with it. And if that's not the case, they say she was very bad at it but practiced in this life - detail: it wasn't shown. Or talked about.

Then there is the male lead, who is... there. No, he does things to the plot and all, but he is just whatever the plot needs him to be. And at first it was said she was completely alone and helpless in her first life, and couldn't have help of a single soul...

But then out of nowhere there's a flashback about her talking to the male lead and having moments.

And it's so inconsistent in it's pacing! Oh my God, it's so annoying! I was literally dying and just went on scrolling through her life as an infant because it was so BORING! In Who Made Me a Princess you can see an amazing example of how to write your character while they're a child. And in Lady Baby it shows things with NO relevance to the plot. Look, there goes Lippe drinking milk again. Look, Lippe is running around and people are cooing. Look, there's Lippe being a model. Come on. And the characters- they are absurd.

You tell me a middle aged man sits down seriously and bargains with a child? And her mother just- sits there cooing? While flashbacks and exposition runs into our faces because without it we would have no clue to what the hell our main character is trying to do.

A great example of good use of flashbacks is Untouchable Lady, where it's shown to us as a way to justify Hilise's reactions and set up some hints of what to expect from each character, and even giving a great delivered (almost) non verbal exposition of the magic system in there. Where in Lady Baby, we get popped up to flashbacks almost every time Lippe has a mood swing.

The other characters are so bland it makes it even worse when Lippe is out of the scene, though it sure is a breath of fresh air - she is ALL over the place.

I have no shame in call her a Mary Sue at this point, since she went through my Mary Sue checklist:

Has no character development for she starts the journey already 'perfect'. Check.

Gets through her problems with no difficulty or struggle, simply moves past them. Check.

Nothing and no event changes her in any way, she always remains the same as before. Check.

Yep. All three categories.

So, these are my thoughts in Lady Baby. I do not mean to offend, of course, and even if I did I would have my rights to do so and spit shit, like every human being.

If you find my opinion trash, tell me why! I really like to know people's opinions about things I know.

I end this post with some nice manhwas recomendations:

Who made me a Princess;

Kill the Villainess;

Untouchable Lady (my current favorite);

Throw me Away;

Lucia;

I have no health;

Beware of the villainess (the best out of the genre and you will not convince me otherwise);

When the villainess loves.

Detail, I do not hate Lady Baby because it was bad to read it. It's fun sometimes. I hate it because it made me invested and then wasted my time.

[youngbloodbuzz]

Buzzy hi, I'm here with a crit role question if you are okay with it. So the last couple of episodes a Lot has happened, a lot of lore was dropped, especially the last two episodes and I didn't see Fearne's connection to Rudius coming. And I've seen a lot of posts lately about how people are feeling about the pacing of this campaign in comparison with the VM and MN and that it is different in more than one way, for examples more characters with well established relationships pre campaign, also they all seemed to click with each other faster and the backstories were revealed earlier and there was a clear goal for most of them. So first I wanted to ask you what is your take on that? Because to me it doesn't feel like they are speedrunning, I think they are setting the stage for something bigger. Secondly, there is no denying that Imogen has the greatest main character vibes. And I love it, I mean I love her very much, Laura is really killing with this role. Also when they came to Bassuras all that had connections to this place, their stories moved forward which is what was expected to happen of course and Matt's storytelling is brilliant. But that leaves out Laudna and Chetney. And more than anything I'm worried about Laudna and her story. Worried is a strong word probably but yeah. I don't want her to be in the background and the supportive character because I know how much she loves Imogen and that they came to Jrusar because she wanted to help Imogen find out more about herself. But I have so many question about Laudna and things that I'd like to ask Marisha. For example I'm pretty sure Imogen is in love with Laudna because of all the hints Laura's been dropping but I don't know about Laudna I see it I see that she loves her but also it feels like Laudna herself has never thought about it?? I don't know what I'm talking about but like with Dusk Marisha had her suspicions, she and Travis were sharing glances and stuff but Laudna had no suspicions, she was the most open and welcoming towards Dusk so I'm just here like miss Ray I'd like to have a word with you? Sorry this ask got a lot longer than I intended it to be. If you want to share your thoughts/feelings on any of this, thank you!

oof yea that's a lot so much is happening I don't even know where to start.

i think...people underestimate just how much meandering goes on in a sandbox campaign at the early levels. it happens in every game but with BH it feels like matt's been building up to something big since day one with everyone's backstories and the political backdrop in jrusar (and now bassuras). and yea i don't think matt's speedrunning, it only feels like it is only because matt's dumping a Lot of lore, and that's because like....there's just...So much fucking lore with what they're dealing with regarding backstories (and I bet matt's been dying to go on about it since cr1). plus, this arc is almost piggybacking off of exu calamity because of the upcoming apogee solstice and we all know how well that went in calamity lol what the fuck.gif

i was telling a friend that this ruidis arc feels almost exactly like the briarwood arc and molly/lucien's arc, it's a stepping stone to something bigger much much later down the road. defeat delilah/lose molly, and find out a year later that delilah's ritual was successful/lucien rose from the dead almost a year later and is bringing basically the apocalypse. this arc here feels kinda like that. a small pebble in a lake with ripple effects that'll influence the rest of the campaign. i have no clue what to expect or just how much BH will have to do to prevent......whatever is happening cause god knows we still don't know shit for all the lore we got lmao.

so yea, i don't mind the pacing. it's dnd. things can be slow for ages and then suddenly crank up the gears to 11 without warning. vm went through it and so did tm9. and besides like, the crew did say that all bets were off in this campaign. expect everything and nothing.

oh god yea imogen's main character vibes is off the fucking charts, I'm so glad laura gets to show off her acting chops even more this campaign she's nailing it. and imogen is so fucking fascinating, it feels like how percy and fjord had main character vibes with arcs that lasted throughout the entire campaign, I'm so excited.

as for laudna though, i'm...i understand the worry. she is very much personally disconnected from this arc but I think we're all forgetting the little friend that lives inside her brain who still clearly craves power and vored a gnarlrock which did....Something. and guess what they're surrounded by right now? lol everything is fine. delilah isn't getting a front row seat to all this potential worldbreaking shit and thoughtfully steepling her evil fingers. she's not buying her time to absorb more power and take over laudna's body as her own at all. (yall I wonder if she knows that sylas is Dead lmao). honestly....i'd say not to worry about laudna getting a centerstage arc but also lmao I'm shaking in my fucking boots matt pls don't hurt me or my dead girl

and, we can't predict how relationships will pan out on cr but...i think laudna will figure it out. this is a slow burn to end all slow burns, but either way I just...want them to have a happy ending together so bad.

[antiloreolympus]

12 Anti LO Asks

1. I don’t really send in stuff as I haven’t read any of LO but I like reading the critiques of it and other webtoon stories. That said, the one confession where they said most of the gods were depicted as perfect, heavily disagree there.

Yes there was the classical period where the Greeks wouldn’t use negative emotions & that period did have it to where art was representative of their ideals of beauty. But like isn’t Aphrodite depicted in irl art as having belly rolls? I’m not trying to say that belly rolls are unattractive/ugly b/c by all means they’re normal to have. And idk if it was like the Renaissance period where they really liked the idea of fertility but like that’s not ‘perfect’.

Also if Rachel wanted to go off of art history she could’ve gone w/ the neoclassical era as it combines both the Greeks & Romans but I don’t think she would as Good I’ve heard her research is mostly based off of works by authors who hated the Greeks. 

2. Interesting thought on that Instagram anon's part. I'm terrible at telling faces apart anyway, like borderline prosopagnosia, but if someone could compare the faces of Greek statues of different gods and see if they're also suffering from same face syndrome, maybe we'd finally find something similar between the Ancient Greeks' and Rachel Smythe's views on the gods.

3. I wish we could get a clarification on what exactly a Fertility God is. Like, what is the difference between Earth and Fertility? In Ancient Greek myths, Earth, Fertility and even Chthonic were the same thing (Chthonic literally means ‘of the Earth’) so what is the distinction?

I used to think that Fertility gods were special because they could create life while Earth just regulates nature but Zeus and Hera made Athena and Hephaestus (even though Hecate stated that he was Zeus’s son just a few chapters ago IDK anymore) and we’ve known that Demeter made Persephone for a while now so…what’s the deal?

I mean, you could argue that Zeus was able to create Athena because he consumed Metis and gained her power (which actually makes sense and indirectly make Metis her mother like in the Myth I guess) but what’s the deal with Hera? Is that why Hephaestus is missing limbs? As for Demeter��is she supposed to be a Fertility God too but doesn’t know it? Or can Earth Gods make people too? I have no clue.

Make your lore make sense RS!

4. I’ve honestly been trying to articulate the point of Smythe’s writing habits within LO, but a certain Anon before me described it in a much more graceful way than I ever could. With that being said, the fact that Smythe relies so heavily on laying “breadcrumbs” throughout her story and utilizing hindsight bias to trick the readers into believing her writing is smart and subversive is so incredibly gauche. Smythe hints at something interesting within a certain character and then just fucking leaves it there, the fanbase picks it up, they establish amazing plotlines and theories from the comic, and then declare that “Lore Olympus is an amazing webcomic!”

Do you see what just happened though? Smythe is getting all of the credit, while the fans are doing all of the real work. They're the ones creating elaborate ideas that the comic will never even try to use, but Smythe is basking in the glory of praise anyways. This was most egregious during the “Where’s Persephone?” Arc and the most recent pomegranate plotline. Fans were practically twisting and turning themselves into knots trying to figure out Persephone’s whereabouts and are still running around to figure out the nature of the “stolen” pomegranate, but the thing about Smythe’s twists are that they are almost always exceptionally underwhelming and there’s more of chance that various fanworks will have a far more creative interpretation than the canon version.

This is because Smythe never did plan her story, with her even admitting to it earlier in the comic’s iteration. This is why plotlines just seem to fall out of the aether at the story’s convenience. Why Hades and Persephone’s relationship feels stale and dry even after two+ years of establishing. Why characters are often thrown away at random and personality traits are constantly being rewritten to fit the new narrative.

5. Is …. Is Dionysus in LO supposed to be a spoiler? We already saw Semele show up. We know he’s coming too. It’s pretty obvious at this point he’s going to be adopted by HxP at this point, we just don’t know how that will be implemented (probably badly, given her track record)

Also Demeter is one of her favorites? Why is she always framed as bad and absent for 90% of the story? Why is she barely a secondary character while we’ve had more time put into Artemis’ mommy issues than Rachel’s supposed favorite? I swear every interview we get out of her is  just another set of contradictory answers that you’re honestly left not sure if she actually knows what she’s talking about or just making it up as she goes, which is she how she writes so I’m leaning towards that.  

6. It took her almost four years on a podcast most of her fans will never listen to to finally admit she’s not accurate and her work is just fanfic? Can she stop marketing herself as such then and take down all her episodes, tweets, and website claiming otherwise then? That would probably help more than riding off the “accuracy” train everywhere else while only mumbling she’s not on a source most won’t listen to.

7. Listen, she can claim all she wants she wants to show the “duality” of the characters, but that’s clearly not the case when you look at the actual story she’s showing. Demeter is framed as so abusive it’s Persephone’s greatest fear, her intersections with Hades and Persephone and tbh anyone else is always with her in the antagonist role, and she’s seen as a joke to olympus that literally no one respects her or can stand her. Even her covering up Persephone’s crimes is wrapped as bad, but Hades basically doing the same thing is seen as romantic. Minthe was made so evil that a rushed explanation to her background was still used to demonize her as “ungrateful” to hades’ “love” for her and her demise was a win for Persephone and then treated as a joke to be forgotten. Zeus has no nuance, he’s just evil. Hera is always framed as right no matter what. Thetis is purely evil, so is Apollo and Leto. Aphrodite isn’t “good” until she’s suddenly on Persephone’s side. Eros is a creep who gets away with everything because Rachel makes it so. Hades is plain evil at this point but Rachel goes out of her way to excuse and justify him with with every song sob story about his broken dick and having no one ever push back against how awful he is. And Persephone is just the worst example, especially during this trial, where all she does is excuse and justify and coddle Persephone no matter what, refusing to let her be anything but her “perfect cinnamon roll” with dread queen aesthetics, but never the actual duality.

Rachel wants the claims she’s actually putting in the work to make these characters complex and interesting, but instead she just ends up looking like a liar because none of those claims are actually in the work, they’re all as one dimensional as ever, with a clear boundary to “good” versus bad, with her faves on one side, and everyone else on the other.

8. “Dionysus is coming”

That’s a threat 🔫💀 you leave the genderfluid bisexual icon pretty boy out of this heterosexual nightmare. 

9. i promise you when dionysus is introduced she will just draw a purple persephone with long hair and no boobs (because like athena, if you dont fit your assigned sex's look, youre just a carbon copy of the other gender) and rachel will claim diversity for being so creative in making a "unique" looking man. mark my words bc it will happen.

10. tbh if youre main descriptor for the literal queen of the underworld is "precious cinnamon roll" youve already failed even remotely taking the mythology seriously or depicting it correctly. persephone is supposed to inspire fear, not be coddled and treated like a helpless puppy. where is this depiction even coming from? because even pre-LO tumblr (where we know most of her takes are from) never depicted her like a literal sexualized child like Rachel loves to do.

11. is LO dionysus is the single fat man on cast i will literally lose it. thats literally roman and later christian use of propaganda to make him seem gross and lazy, and ill be furious if rachel plays right into that.

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12. I will die on this hill of defending Demeter. I don’t care how awful I look - Demeter deserves better than this crap. She hasn’t done anything wrong. Maybe I’m biased because I’m a Greek who worships the actual Goddess, but it’s just ridiculous how tue fandom and author treats her.

She kept Persephone away from Olympus because Toxic Men would use her and she was right. Demeter didn’t tell Persephone she was a Fertility Goddess because Demeter herself didn’t even know if she was or not, she was just theorizing it. Why would she tell Persephone something that she doesn’t even know?

She called Hades out during the trial and she was absolutely in the right to. She questions Persephone’s relationship with Hades and again, she’s in the right. Persephone barely knows this man and yet she’s putting her whole life in his hands? What mother wouldn’t think that was awful?

She calls Persephone a brat - but I’m sorry, Persephone is a brat. Persephone complains she’s lonely and yet she’s surrounded by Nymph friends, is basically a trust fund baby and is handed everything she could ever want - oh but she’s unhappy because no boyfriend and her mother has high expectations. So what if Demeter had high expectations? What non-white American mother doesn’t have high expectations for their child? That doesn’t mean they’re abusive. She’s been through hell and mistreatments yet Persephone wants to botch and moan because she had a connection with a drunk man one night.

Demeter is being treated as an antagonist, barely shown in the story, and is being blamed for everything and it’s just ridiculous.

From OP: I do think it’s understandable for Persephone to be upset. Although she had nymph friends, she didn’t have relationships with other gods (other than Hecate and Hermes) and never got to experience the city life until now. However, I still agree for the most part. It feels like Persephone didn’t value her friendships with the nymphs as much as she claimed to. Nor did she care about bringing spring to the mortal realm if she’s about to throw that way to stay in the underworld. It makes the conversation she had with Hades over the phone odd because he says she’s the reasons mortals don’t see them as monsters (because of the spring she created) but that basically gets thrown away when Persephone says she’s not coming back to the mortal realm.

[tsui-no-sora]

Something something, the Dream SMP as a medium, is incredibly difficult to consume, or to get into, or to fully watch, or to even access.

Which makes the perception people have about the story, be completely different, depending on how they are able to watch it, or if they are even able to actually watch it at all.

And that reflects, on what they believe to be truthful and correct about the story, and in how others react to said takes.

Things like, Foolish's very long streams with hints of lore in between, or BBH and Sam's streams, that are made in a very jokey manner, but that very much do have lore in them, streams made after playing other games that are completely improv, videos, Twitter threads, or reddit comments, fanfiction as well.

The canon of the Dream SMP is very hard to get a grip on, while there's very important events such as Doomsday, that have a pretty straightforward way of being consumed, as a general (Even though, a lot of the personal one-on-one interactions are easily lost, like for example, Jack going to hell, and coming back.)

There's also many others, that are very important to the story I would say, that aren't so easy to find, like the confirmation that it was Puffy and Dream who griefed, or the confirmation of the staged finale.

Depending on which streamer you actually enjoy watching the most, because, honestly, it's rather unrealistic to expect everybody to consume the pov of characters, they are not even really into.

And how much of said pov you actually consume, or even what things you exactly have consumed.

These factors completely change the way you view the story, the characters, the countries, the deaths, the actions, the consequences, the motives, the personalities, the dynamics, and everything else too.

And, this isn't really something that can be helped, even with the abridged series, it's still an awfully huge amount of videos to catch up on, that most people just don't have the time to, more so, because the Dream SMP story is still currently on-going, even if granted, at a far lower speed than once in the past.

Or, even if you were the most hardcore Stan, and set yourself on the mission of watching every single stream, of every single pov, that's straight up impossible, because there are many many streams that aren't saved fully, or just don't exist anymore, like a good bit of Tubbo's New L'Manberg streams.

Having such a difficult to consume canon also makes knowing what is, or isn't canon, very complex.

There's past series, there's random streams with a few in-character moments, there's the call backs to it on other games, or even irl moments, there's tweets, which are technically in-character.

I would have no clue if to take all of them as canon, or only a few, or on a character-by-character basis.

So yeah, the DSMP is so difficult to come to a shared understanding of, or agreement on, in anything at all, because it's such a fleeting thing to consume, that whatever contact you have with it, it's very personalized, and it gives you different bits and pieces of a canon to make a perception off of

And, whatever pieces you have, will not be the exact same ones somebody else will have, and this will completely change the way you see some events, or even if you see them at all.

Idk, I just find it very interesting, how differently everybody sees everything, only based off what bits of the canon content, they can see, in this fandom that experience is very unique.

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The way Ranboo is dropping his lore reminds me so much of Gravity Falls, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he used the show as a kind of reference for dropping hints. Season 2 specifically. (Especially since he’s said that he’s seen the show and absolutely loves it)

In Season 2, there was a code word hidden in every episode, only shown in one scene for a second and the viewers always managed to find it. And at the end of the credits there was always a end card that had a code written on it for the viewers to decipher.

That’s specifically why the creators upped the ante from Season 1 where slight things were hidden that they didn’t anticipate on people catching, but they totally did, because kids are smart. Same thing applies here!

And also, not to mention, the giant treasure hunt that Alex Hirsch literally put all over the world. And everyone managed to solve it in 2 weeks. That’s a whole different thing though, my point is that the way that Ranboo is dropping hints/clues everywhere is very similar to Gravity Falls.

Manz literally wrote a code out of items in his inventory last night that people on Twitter (who are so fucking smart, props to you guys) immediately caught. And I can name many more things, such as the Morse code during the end credits of occasional Lore streams.

So analyze the shit out of everything! Who cares if it’s wrong! The theories and the analyzing of everything was one of the greatest parts of the Gravity Falls fandom, even if some of them weren’t right. There’s no shame in that!

Take in account of the way he says things, the sorting of his inventory, small details, literally everything! He has a plan and a purpose for everything he does, I can guarantee it.

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I wanted to make a Deltarune post about the lore and the things that aren’t  obvious. And once I do that I wanna focus on why Mettaton is incredibly important to this setting

And also why he poses a problem

Why did Toriel and Asgore get divorced?

Without the setting of Undertale, Asgore and Toriel’s marriage still broke up after they had Asriel. There needs to be a reason though. In UT it was Asgore’s ‘worst of both worlds’ decision regarding killing anybody that fell from the human world, including children. We saw how close they were before this happened. Only something deep and serious caused that rift. In Deltarune, what on earth did Asgore do?

What happened to Dess?

Mentioned a handful of times by Noelle, Dess was her older sister and is mentioned In Undertale.... in that Xbox exclusing casino thing. The way Noelle talks about her, the conspicuous way Noelle gets locked out of her big house - it implies Dess is gone or deceased. Berdly recalls a spelling bee when he and Noelle were younger where she, despite being smarter than him, misspelled ‘December’, allowing him to win.

In the two-player spelling puzzle, it also spells out ‘December’ as Noelle recalls the past and her silhouette regresses to a child while she does so. Being distracted by her sister’s disappearance, rather than pure shyness, could account for her misspelling her name on stage, and it clearly left a big psychological mark for her to have this visual regression in the Dark World.

However, there’s a graveyard in Hometown with no Dess. I heard another theory that she has been missing for years, because where each character’s personal room is made by Queen to reflect their tastes via their search results, Noelle has a calendar where every day is December 25th. This could imply that Noelle continually searches the internet for ‘December Holiday’, her sister’s name, to see if there are clues to her disappearance, but of course the only result you would get is the date of Christmas.

Who is the Knight?

It’s now implied to be Kris, who has been forcibly removing the player’s influence to act on their own. By all accounts the Knight is the game’s main antagonist. Spade King and Queen both mention the Knight as someone who influenced their position - they brought Spade King to absolute power, and showed Queen that creation of new worlds was possible.

We’re led to believe that Kris was doing this, because they’ve been acting outside of the player’s control. Eating the entire pie between chapter 1 and 2 might have been a red herring to cover that they also went to the library and used that knife to slash open a dark fountain there.

However. This has issues. How would they even manage to shuffle slowly all the way to the library and get in the computer lab? The Knight is also the one creating the hidden bosses. They talked to Jevil until he realised he was in a game and he lost his mind; they ruined Spamton’s life by elevating him to success and then crushing him. Whatever the Knight is doing seems to be deliberately planned with key players in mind.

Kris opening the fountain at home at the end of ch.2 can be explained in that you just figured out in Cyber World that anyone determined enough can do this, and so, Kris decided to. So a better question might even be...

What does Kris want?

We have no idea. They are capable of removing the SOUL, ‘us’, temporarily, and putting things in motion we cannot influence. But they also keep putting us back in control afterward. This is hinted at right when ch.2 starts, where if you inspect the cage in Kris’s bedroom they threw us into, the description says it’s inescapable. Meaning Kris came back and took us out, willingly.

They allow us to pilot them through the game. Why? Because they cannot live without the SOUL for long for some reason? Because they’re bad at bullet hell? Why did they slash Toriel’s tyres before opening the fountain, making sure nobody could drive away?? Why did they specifically open the door?

You can find out details about Kris through the creepy way you interact with the townsfolk, who think you are Kris. They play the piano at the hospital waiting room - better than you. They used to go to church just to get the special church juice. It’s all normal, relatable things, not like someone who’s trying to plunge the world into darkness. Judging by their search history portrayed in their Queen’s castle room, they really want to see their brother again. However the castle has a room based on Asriel’s search history too, and Kris (not you) closes their eyes and won’t look at it.

What is Ralsei?

His name is an anagram of Asriel. Is he an extension of Asriel? The slightly flirtier dialogue in ch.2 would point to no. Is he an extension of Kris themselves, given the link between Kris’s childhood habit of wearing a headband with red horns on it, to pretend to be a monster like their family?

Ralsei knows exactly where the Dark World in the school is located, and unlike regular Darkners, knows the world is folded up inside the ‘real world’. There’s a certain whiplash to Ralsei telling you to hop out of his reality into yours and go down the hallway to retrieve all the board game items.

How does he jump from one Dark World to another, without assistance? How does he not get petrified like Lancer and Rouxls? Is this a power level thing because he’s a prince or something else? We definitely do not know enough about Ralsei.

He also says this incredibly suspicious thing after you spare Spamton NEO. Susie was also curious but accepts that maybe it ‘didn’t mean anything’, which is a sure tell that these optional bosses do mean something.

Someone is orchestrating what’s happening, opening fountains, manipulating the rulers, and influencing NPCs to become the optional bosses. Why? I suspect Ralsei for both knowing too much, and pretending something doesn’t matter when it clearly does. Until Asriel actually comes home from college I’m going to suspect he’s involved in this too.

How much does Seam know?

Seam on the other hand knows a lot about what’s going on but is openly withholding information while helping you. He’s nihilistic. He says things like:

One day soon... You too, will begin to realize the futility of your actions. Ha ha ha... At that time, feel free to come back here. I'll make you tea... And we can toast... to the end of the world!

Either this ‘end of the world’ is a reference to The Roaring, where opening too many dark fountains dooms the Dark World and the real one... or, I can’t get out of my head the idea that Deltarune takes place in a fake, or weird reconstruction of Undertale where things don’t match up, and eventually it will have to disappear. After all, powers of determination and creating and manipulating universes are Undertale’s basic bread and butter. How can we look at an Alternate Universe containing the characters we already know and not suspect that? Seam also uses Gaster’s key words, ‘darker, yet darker’, seemingly to clue us in that he’s not off track here.

Why haven’t we seen Papyrus?

This is a bright neon flashing ‘something’s not right’ sign. It’s not like Papyrus’s voice actor was too busy or anything. His absence is noticable and for a reason. Nice of Sans to promise we could meet him despite being aware we’re piloting a child’s body around, though, even if he didn’t follow through.

What locations in town could be used for dark fountains in the next 4 chapters?

If the sequence continues, we have chapter 1 in the school games room, chapter 2 in a computer lab, and chapter 3 in front of Kris’s television, where the aesthetic of each setting influences the world, characters, and enemies in the Dark World created there. Future possibilities include the church, the hospital, sans’s grocery store, Noelle’s house, and the closed bunker.

What the hell’s in the closed bunker

This one’s too obvious, honestly. I think it’ll open for no reason in chapter 7 and a little white dog will bounce out and steal one of your key items and nothing else happens.

Why does Asgore have these

Unlike the bunker feeling like a joke teaser, I gotta believe this is foreshadowing something weird. For example, what does opening a dark fountain in here with the seven flowers do? Does it just take you into Undertale?

Each chapter will have a hidden boss with a ‘soul mode’ from Undertale

Chapter 1 let you stay red, but I think each subsequent chapter is going to change your soul mode to one of the seven colours and design the encounter around that. Purple, yellow, green and blue were used in Undertale, leaving the light blue and orange modes yet to be revealed.

How does Spamton emulate Mettaton Neo’s name, body, and incorporate his battle theme, and the ‘Dummy!’ theme, with no actual connection between them ingame?

This is a really fun one that’s explained over in this post here. Swatch is the Dark World creation from the paint program on the library computers, so he’s able to explain that a Lightner made the robot body decaying in the castle basement that way.

Mettaton went to the library and drew his ideal form, Mettaton NEO, in MS Paint, and the Dark World formed that into a puppet body which Spamton was able to hijack temporarily. So by doing that Spamton was able to channel Mettaton’s appearance, attacks, music, and SOUL mode for the fight.

This might mean that the future hidden bosses, each with their own SOUL mode, might be based on the associated character for that mode (Muffet, Undyne, and Sans or Papyrus), and the boss will take on some aspect of them from their world to leech their fight mechanics.

The Problem With Mettaton

We don’t exactly know what Deltarune is about. It’s an alternate universe where the characters from Undertale already live on the surface, have completely normal lives, but diverge from the storyline of Undertale and, crucially, have not lived through the changes Frisk brought to their lives.

Remember how Undertale had a dozen different ending routes depending on who you befriended? The constant reinforcement in Undertale was that your choices mattered. Through Frisk, you chose to bring Alphys closure about her mistakes, you chose to befriend papyrus instead of attacking him, you chose to help Alphys and Undyne realise their feelings for each other and it’s only doing that that leads to the golden ending and escape to the surface.

Deltarune is the opposite, your choices do not matter. The only thing you can do to force the route of the game to change is to force Noelle into a No Mercy run, which is indirect, and also, a total desperation to mess with an otherwise set course. This version of the characters have not been helped by Frisk - Undyne and Alphys are not together, Papyrus has no friends, Asgore cannot get over himself, and they’re clearly the worse for it, but potentially, you COULD still do these things. In fact it’s hinted that you already are.

But there’s Mettaton.

He’s still a ghost and does not leave his house. In Frisk’s world, Gaster deleted himself, promoting Alphys to royal scientist by bluffing with Mettaton, and she then build him his ideal body. In Kris’s world... Alphys is a school teacher. There’s no barrier to break, no reason to experiment on souls, no Flowey mistake, and no body for Mettaton.

It was sad in Ch.1, but now with the Spamton NEO fight in ch.2, it’s unmissable. Mettaton wants that body and he cannot get it. Alphys in this universe is not going to leave her teaching job and suddenly be able to build a robot. Mettaton is just... screwed out of his happy ending and cannot get it.

So what resolution could this have? If it wasn’t for Mettaton I might believe in the vaildity of Deltarune and Hometown. But. How can you doom this character? If Undertale was the only way Mettaton could be befriended, then Undertale is Primary Universe A and Seam is right - the world of Deltarune is doomed as some kind of aberration. It all relies on how this gets explained in the future, but the core mystery of Deltarune is how exactly this universe intersects with Undertale and whether one is an offshoot of the other. How the Dark World links into that is another complication. But even as we get more fun characters and neat stuff in the Dark Worlds, let’s not forget we have absolutely no idea why Undertale’s characters are living here with no mention of underground or why there are no other humans beside Kris.