#Neil being in charge of good omens the show was

[jewishdragon]

A lot of yall THINK you want book-accurate movies when what you really want are book accurate TV mini-series

[fuckyeahgoodomens]

The Good Omens Card Game is coming out June 5! 🥳❤

Renegade Game Studios will release Good Omens: An Ineffable Game June 5th, charging players with stopping the apocalypse in seven different battle games, each of which you can learn as you play, all in one box! Each of the seven cooperative battle games sees players taking on a different challenge, and each can be played at varying difficulties! 

“We’re thrilled to be collaborating with Amazon Studios to bring fans a Good Omens game” said Scott Gaeta, President of Renegade Game Studios, “Being a huge fan myself, it was important that we capture the spirit of the show and I think that designer, Matt Hyra, came up with something fans will really enjoy.” 

In Good Omens: An Ineffable Game players will call upon characters, both much-loved and deeply-loathed, in order to defeat the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Fight Heaven, Vanquish Hell, and even prevent Armageddon. The battle games are easy to learn but pack a challenge for any group, and each is themed around the confrontations that take place at the conclusion of Good Omens Season 1. 

Fans can catch up on the first season of Good Omens now streaming on Prime Video ahead of the second season premiering July 28th. The series is co-created by Neil Gaiman and is based on the well-loved and internationally best-selling novel by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.

“Good Omens: An Ineffable Game promises to bring the world of Good Omens to life in an exciting new way” said Jamie Kampel, Head of Licensing & Merchandising for Amazon Studios, “We are thrilled to be creating this game in collaboration with a well-known board game publisher like Renegade, who is passionate about the property and has adeptly captured the tone and details of the series in a way that will delight fans.” 

Renegade will be producing three versions of Good Omens: An Ineffable Game, each with their own unique box art and bonus items, but all feature the same great gameplay! The Amazon exclusive version will include 12 foil versions of the character cards in the game. (= First Version) The Barnes & Noble exclusive version includes a Heaven & Hell-themed black and silver embroidered Good Omens dice bag (= Second Version), while the Hobby Market exclusive includes an Agnes Nutter Book of Prophecies-themed dice bag, in a luxurious green with gold embroidery (= Third Version). 

Good Omens: An Ineffable Game will be available wherever games are sold and have a suggested retail price of $25. 

Amazon - $25.00 - the exclusive 12 foil character card versions (First Version)

renegadegamestudios.com or Hobby Market- €25.00 - seems like this is the Third Version with the Agnes Nutter bag, they have several internet stores that you can switch at the left corner of the page (for example for EU click on the last one):

The Barnes & Noble (Second Version) didn't publish the product at their pages yet :)

The Agnes Nutter Book of Prophecies-themed dice bag from the third editon:

[good-omens-memes-daily]

We of the Good Omens meme page would like to address the following concerns.

As a page that is run by women, the seriousness of rape is not lost on any of us, one of us being a childhood sexual violence survivor herself. We have had long discussions as a team about the accusations about Neil Gaiman and hours researching the accusations themselves, like listening to the podcast run by the two women who made the accusations. This is what we have found.

Reading the threads and threads of texts, emails, and WhatsApp messages, the details these women give in accordance with their timelines do not add up. During times Scarlett says she was assaulted, her WhatsApp messages show her thanking Gaiman for the "lovely, lovely night", and then later texting a friend that she'd had "kind of amazing sex"

While K.'s emails with Gaiman haven't been released in their entirety, (we are going to give her side of the story the benefit of the doubt, and we aren't making any assumptions yet), they have been described as "friendly", even after K. claims she cut contact with Gaiman.

New Zealand authorities have begun an official investigation and are "getting in touch with all members" surrounding the issue. In one episode of the podcast, a police officer told K. that there is not enough evidence to win a case. Whether this is because the evidence of the crime is too hard to find, or because there's just no crime there at all, we still don't know, and we will wait with bated breath for the results.

We would suggest listening to the podcast in its entirety, as there is no official transcript yet, and articles all over the internet tend to twist things into their own light.

We apologize if our meme offended any victims of sexual violence or assault, but due to the evidence conflicting with their claims, we are taking these claims with a grain of salt until more evidence emerges.

We would also like to note that one of our team, who was in charge of posting this week, was under the influence of marijuana when she made the meme in question, dimishing her critical thinking skills, as well as a better vocabulary. This doesn't excuse the insensitivity, nor does it dismiss the hurt that others have felt in regard to the comment.

However, we hope it will assure you that we do not view sexual assault or accusations of assault as petty "drama".

Our Sources

Tortoise Media's Original Article

Episode 1: The Bath

Episode 2: The WhatsApps

Episode 3: The Pond

Episode 4: The Fan

The Daily Mail's Summary of the Podcast Details

Business Insider's Timeline of the Events

[hoshiko2000]

So with production for Good Omens Season 3 officially halted, it does look like cancellation may be on the horizon. Because yeah, I really don't think Amazon would 'pause' production on a show this lucrative if there wasn't serious discussions currently going on about 'if' and 'how' it should continue. A production shuffle-up - ie. Neil Gaiman getting booted and new staff being put in charge - is certainly a possibility. But it is important to remember that this will still be a show that is written by him and very intrinsically linked to his brand. And whether fans or studios will still have an appetite for it considering this fact is something that has to be seriously considered.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that as disappointing as it would be, cancelling Good Omens season 3 may be the hard but right decision. And, frankly, if season 2 is anything to go by, we may not be missing out on too much to be honest.

But on a serious note, I do want to use this news as an opportunity to share my own thoughts on the situation, which I will do under the cut (and as is probably obvious, there are trigger warnings for references to SA).

Despite Neil Gaiman's works being a massive part of my content here on this tumblr - and yes, that is something I am very aware of- I've not posted about the sexual assault allegations up until now for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm a working adult in my 30s; tumblr is very much a place I come to chill, I'm far too old (and frankly, tired) to get involved in discourse or heated fandom debates (not that those are the correct terms to use to refer to rape allegations but you catch my drift). But the other reason is that these revelations have honestly devasted me, in a way that I'm still processing and doesn't feel like an exaggeration to describe as grief, a feeling I'm sure is echoed by many other people.

Neil Gaiman's works have been a massive part of my adult life, and while I know it sounds like a cliche, they have gotten me through some incredibly difficult times. Coming to terms with the fact that such beautiful, thoughtful, empathetic novels and series have been written by a rapist has been incredibly difficult.

What has also been incredibly difficult to come to terms with is the fact that the incredible queer representation that has drawn so many of us to his television works in recent years was, in hindsight, indisputably a grooming tactic. And yes, grooming is the right word.

The grooming of communities is not something that is often discussed but is absolutely a thing. Predators groom victims to gain access to them, and they groom the people around both the victim and themselves to make it seem unbelievable when the victim later comes forward. And this can happen parasocially too. In the case of Neil Gaiman, he groomed his fanbase by constructing a calculated image as vocal a LGBT ally, drawing in queer fans and creating a smokescreen of apparent empathy and kindness to cast doubt on the future allegations he likely knew would inevitably catch up with him.

I really want to stress - particularly for younger fans - that no one is stupid or somehow culpable for having been fooled by Gaiman, for having supported his works previously, and for continuing to support his works now. I myself have no intention to leave the fandoms I am already a part of, and I genuinely do not believe anyone is under any sort of pressure or obligation to do so. The separation of the art from the artist is a very tricky subject and not something that can ever be done entirely. And if I'm honest I'm not really sure how to navigate this myself, or what this is going to mean for me in the future.

But to get back to the subject of my blog, yes I am planning to continue reposting content related to Good Omens and Dead Boy Detectives. However the latter differs drastically in that the series was not actually written by Neil Gaiman and is effectively an author-approved spin-off of one of his works. Good Omens on the other hand I have more complicated feelings towards, and at this point I am not sure how I feel about future series being made, with or without Gaiman's involvement.

I'm sorry if this post is a rambling mess, it has taken me a lot of time to build up to being able to share my thoughts, and while there is a lot more I could say I will stop here. But on a closing note, let's just be kind to each other. This situation is awful, lets not make it any worse. Give space for the victims, give space for the fans, and give space to people to continue to enjoy fandom spaces without making assumptions about where they stand on these allegations. It is a hard time, but things will get better, and these fandom spaces will continue to be a positive place for people to exist online. Lets keep it that way.

[isadrora]

The Fledgling writes Good Omens for school!

Alexander Perry

Year 6

Assignment: English Close reading

Description: Choose a piece of writing to describe and have opinion about (fiction)

Author: Irisblefic

Source: Archive of Our Own (https://archiveofourown.org/works/1055257)

Year published: 2006-09-30

Intro:

I choose this piece of writing becuase of two reasons. For the first, I have watched the tv show “Good Omens” and enjoy it a lot. I then learned that is based on a book that is also called Good Omens (authors Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett). With help of my mum I have also read the book. I like the book very much. I think that it is very different from the show but they both have lots to give offer. One of things both have in common is the stories that the fans (like me and my mum) write themselves. This is called Fan fiction. It is very legal to do this and is actually encouraged by the creator and actors. I want to write about a very good story that is written by a writer that has written many stories based on this world and charcters I enjoy.

Content:

In terms of just happening things in the story, there are these two characters that figure out that they love each other very much over week period. This I will say is one of those things where its not enough o just say “this happens” because the writer makes it clear that there is lots going on the surface with emotions. I will like to point out that I choose this story because there is lots of deeper stuff in feelings and what the characters dont say: this is a very interesting part of the story and makes it very unique.

Characters:

Crowley: (a demon his name he chose for himself is Anthony J Crowley):

He is a man shaped Being. He is a fallen angel: that is he used to be an angel in Heaven until some angels that were in Heaven had the fight with the ones in charge because they were rebelios (The First War in Heavan). We dont know why he was thrown out of Heavan exactly. This story only gives us idea but I am taking ideas from the TV show and the book and using it to make my ideas some more deep. Crowley as he is now has a slim shape, he is tall, and it is known his face sharp and pretty (rather than typical handsome as is common to use to describe male characters in books). Unique to him is that he has plants and is “highly strung” which has to do with that he is actually not as relaxed and cool as he pretends to be. He shouts at his plants and is obsessed with cleaning and being organized. This shows clearly in the story also that he has become “human like” and part of why he actually lets himself accept being in love and more truthful about being with Aziraphale. The show also lets us have a good idea of him because he is as a demon might be, sarcastick and thin and dark. It is funny to watch the show be cause the TV Crowley has different voice I think than the book and both are very good. This story I’m talking about now is very close to book character I think but I can also imagine the TV Crowley if I like which is I think a positive aspect. I will say more about this later.

Aziraphale:

He is an angel although quite a strange one, different from the other ones we meet in the show version and its clear in all the versions (and also from the fanfiction story) that he has been opn earth (and with Crowley) so long that its changed him. My mother told me the term “he’s gone native” to describe him which she says is common to say that people take up habits and thinking of the place they settle. This to me is exact right for these two main characters. He is kind and well spoken. He has good manners and old fashioned style. Although the story Im talking about doesn’t do lots of physical descriptions one can get clear ideas just by “reading for context”. Just by using dialoge especially the expression “Oh dear” “Good heavens” and others a reader can get an idea of him, softer looking than Crowley which actually makes good sense because they are clear meant to be opposites (but in a positive way in the end). In this story its clear he’s accepted his love for Crowley and is shown actually to be the one to have made effort to take things further. This actually is different from how he is in the show where he is scared and in Denial quite a lot. But whats also interesting is the story lets it be seen that he is not just “soft” he is somewhat of “bastard” this also from the book and show. Its important as my mum says that this is clear as part of his personality or Crowley would never have been able to see him different from other angels. I get the idea from “In 7 Days” that he is actually manipulating (not in bad way) that him and Crowley grow closer. I will talk also more of this upcoming.

Discussion:

First of all the way this story is presented is effective. I especially like the way it is broken into weekdays. The title is important : in Bible terms the earth was created in 7 days and this reflects the time it takes for the two main characters to realize their love properly. Creation is good idea for theme here because Crowley grows plants (creates life) and Aziraphale loves books (ideas created). It is also so good that every day division has a little heading underneath. Some made me laugh, like the Monday one that starts the story (“Survival of the fittest. ONLY the fittest.”). This has literally to do with Crowleys plants but also you can maybe think that is about Crowley and Aziraphale love too. It has survived so long and so much that even though “Evolution” is a bit of joke in book and show , something about it is actually true.

Moving on, the point of view (POV) is mostly from Crowley side. I personally like the fanfiction stories that are from his side. This is just preference because he is my favourite character. I would like to say also that it would be so good to get the POV of this story from Aziraphale also: I would like one day to try write something like that if ever I get good at it. But it works very well from Crowley POV for this story because as I said before he is interesting in that its Clear he loves Aziraphale for a long time. But the story makes very clear he has lots of what is called “defense mechanisms” to prevent him being hurt or looking too close at the feelings. So we see his shouting at plants, at his still thinking in terms like “ruining” Aziraphales day because they were Enemies, like him throwing away the card from Aziraphale at first and so on. This is him keeping old habits because he can’t think of how to be otherwise. I will say that my mum calls this story “a Crowley character study” and I like that idea a lot. Its not always important that lots of things Happen in a story for it to be very exciting and good and this story taught me that.

For another thing we can maybe think about “turning point” which most stories must have and I think that irisbleufic has this happen on the Wednesday (which seems good place as feels like middle of a week). It seems like a turning point comes when Crowley has Aziraphale sleeping on his couch after they spent night drinking wine and chatting. I think that its clear they dont do anything romantic at this point but that Aziraphale is there at all still is what Crowley reacts to (even if not openly). For me I think this part makes clear that Aziraphale is now the one making effort to get them to be together properly: because Aziraphale doesn’t really sleep if he doesn’t want to (its clear that demon and angel dont need sleep for real) and so why would he at end of the Wednesday part be sure to be snoring so Crowley wont make him leave. I think this is where Crowley gives into his feelings even with out him really knowing he does.

Another important part that I like evry much is the Thursday section. Crowley rushes over to Aziraphale bookshop what he thinks is emergency. They have dialogue that is this:

“See, that's the problem with things like dust, and plants," Crowley added philosophically, helping himself to some more tea. "If they're inanimate, then I'm your aunt. You've got to let them know who's boss."

Aziraphale smiled faintly, setting down his cup.

"Why do you think I asked you here?"

This is a very good dialoge. It has different meaning to both of them. Aziraphale reply to Crowley almost seem like he is a bit smug because he knows Crowley will do anything for him but Crowley still thinks he has upper hand. “philosophy” is aword that the writer uses lots to connect to Crowley. My mum says this shows how Crowley likes to think of himself that he has control and a plan for his whole long life. But then there is Aziraphale now deciding that they should change that plan. This type of writing is very clever. Nothing big happens really but the small things happen in an important way.

Its also good how the Friday part is just used to show an easy normal scene that is between them as if they are already married or properly together. That is its as if they already are just nobody said it yet. “Laundry” is the heading for this one and that shows how normal everything seems already. Its also very funny to me because their version of laundry is snapping fingers and cleaning things (this also from the show which is very flirting part). When Crowley just says he will “start sleeping over” just casually, it is almost a shock because it isn’t a shock. That is how the story has led you to think of it all as logical even though there been no Romantic confession or big fights or anything.

The Saturday part is what is called as climax of the story because in a way its where Crowley has the full realization. It is never really put like that but irisbleufic makes it clear from his behaviour. Its not like in movies where the person will say “I love her/ him” and then run to them or whatever. What happens is that all the things that Crowley did before to make sure he was ok are not enough anymore. His Defense mechanism is not good because Aziraphale quietly been breaking it down. I will say that there is a piece about a Movie that Crowley watches that I didn’t understand about Gone with theWind. I asked my mum to explain what this meant and I think it has to do with that that movie is a very serious movie that everyone loves but is actually a bit horrible and so thats why Crowley calling it comedy is funny. I like that shows his sarcastick nature.

Moving last to the last day and this when they get together properly. I think its very good that the writer does not show the actual event. I think that it is important that the characters show their love physical because of their being changed by earth and they have become more earthly. It makes good sense and is very romantic. For my opinion though we cannot really imagine how the Sexual part will look for angel and demon and so its much better to be shown how they feel afterwards. This story is very good at that in fact actually is wonderfull. The characters are not changed by what happens between them, they are just more open. Crowley is still kind of bratty and Aziraphale is still fussy. But they are finally together and that is the point of the story in the end. Its interesting that Crowley actually says the fact that Aziraphale had a “seduction” plan for him., I want to ask, is it maybe that he knew about Aziraphale wanting it all wlong? Or is is just that he wants to try still be cool after he admits it to himself? It may be doesn’t matter because the last part is so good that I dont want the story to end even. The last line is I understand Inuuendo and that is also important because it shows Crowley being open to finally being loving and Affectionate.

Conclusion: A lot of people dont think that writing about FanFiction stories is real work and I think that is ridiculous i hope that this story will prove that wrong. A lot of people also think that the sexual parts of some stories are not good for us in Year 6 to write about but there are books we read with some of that in it already and worse than for example this story or others Ive read. It is a proper part of the story and needed for it to be good. To end I will say that this story is one of best things Ive ever read and theres lots more stuff about this “world” Good omens to read and that is positive

[dubiouslynamed]

Alright, this idea has been giving me a hard time for weeks. Out into the void it goes! Sorry it's so long. There's more under the cut, believe me.

CURTAIN/ NIAT RUC

The Bentley's license plate, NIAT RUC, has been visible from the beginning of this show and it's been nagging at the back of my head just as long. Why is it 'curtain' spelled backwards? What does it mean? And what is the overall story about? Crowley asks the question at the beginning of Season 2. What's the point of it all? Angels, demons, heaven, hell? Is that license plate a Clue? Obviously, I think it is.

Good Omens is about friendship and love, certainly. But there's more going on. The book and show both deal with huge moral and ethical questions-often in the flashbacks, but not always. Why is the universe the way it is? Why do bad things happen to good people? How do you choose between two bad options? Why should you have to, sometimes? Is it right to harm one person to save another (Or many others? Or all the others?). What's the point of it all?

I think that's part of why this particular story, in whatever medium it's told, is so compelling. I love the characters and the writing and the direction and the production-clearly all the work of many very committed people who also love the story and have the skill and talent to bring it to life. But the best stories, and for me this is one of them, examine the *really* big questions. Good Omens asks those questions and somehow (Maybe by using an angel and demon as protagonists? I don't know. It's a mystery!) manages to be hugely entertaining while doing so.

Curtain is Agatha Christie's last Hercule Poirot mystery. She wrote it in the early 1940s, partly worried she might die in the Blitz and leave her detective without a satisfactory ending, and locked it up to be published over 30 years later in the 1970s. In it, a dying Poirot solves the mystery of the identity of a serial killer who has mastered the art of psychologically provoking other people to commit murders without ever being found out as the person who persuaded them to kill. There isn't enough evidence to charge this indirect murderer with anything and Poirot believes he will continue his crimes uncaught. Poirot murders the serial killer himself (by deceiving his friend Hastings to a fare-thee-well and then arranging the evidence to look like the killer committed suicide). He then stops taking the medicine that has been keeping him alive. Poirot's solution is what he sees as the lesser evil of murdering the killer followed by atonement in the form of his own death. In short, Poirot has chosen among the bad options available to him while retaining the moral sense that his choice is itself evil. Some Christie fans won't read Curtain and I don't blame them.

The Metatron looks a lot like the manipulative serial killer in Curtain, though a writer as skilled as Neil Gaiman doesn't borrow entire characters or plots. The Metatron is certainly in a position to have influenced or even caused some of Heaven's morally outrageous actions by representing them as the word of God. Poisoning the angels against humanity bit by bit over millennia until they have no problem with the idea of destroying all of creation. They're even enthusiastic about it. Heaven is arguably worse than Hell at this point because, in fairness, Hell seems to look at humanity as a recruitment opportunity more than anything else.

In the first series of Good Omens, we see Crowley propose murdering the Antichrist to stop the Apocalypse and Aziraphale come close to doing it (he is only stopped by Madame Tracy's good sense from firing the thunder gun at Adam). You have to wonder what would have happened to Aziraphale if he'd managed to succeed. Something like Poirot's death? Do even good-hearted angels have to choose between bad options?

I believe that authors, being deeply concerned with words and their meanings, should be taken seriously about what they call their stories. An omen is a portent, for good or for evil, of events to come. So the name Good Omens essentially means 'this is a story about good things that will happen in the future'. Perhaps, perhaps, then, Good Omens is a story about finding and removing a source of evil in the universe without having to commit a moral crime to do it and, as a consequence, getting things more on track to a happier ending for everyone, our characters included. Not to a place where too often there is only a choice among bad options but to a place where there are more good options. More reason for the dealer in God's metaphor to be smiling all the time. Not Curtain, but its reverse.

[wise-tortoise]

This is why the ending of Good Omens 2 made sense, actually

Aziraphale couldn't have made any other choice at the end of season 2. There was no need to spike the coffee: it was simply the only decision he could make.

Metatron came to him with coffee, saying he'd also indulged in his time. He showed him, see, Aziraphale! I'm like you! I occasionally like earthly delights too! Metatron led him to believe he was one of the good guys.

Metatron said, you were right. He said, with you in charge things can be different. And Aziraphale HAD to believe him. He had to believe that the problem was Heaven's management, with Gabriel and Michael and Uriel and Saraqael and all the other archangels. He HAD to believe in Heaven's inherent goodness, in God's ultimate perfection. Because if he didn't, he would fall.

If the problem was Heaven itself, if Heaven was toxic as Crowley said, that meant doubting God. It meant falling.

And Aziraphale knows how terrible Hell is. He knows that when Crowley saved a girl from suicide, he was recalled back to Hell and the next time they saw each other several years later, Crowley was asking him for holy water. Holy water!

And he knows that when Crowley was last judged in Hell, they tried to destroy him in a holy water bath. Of course he knows: he was there.

Aziraphale can't fall, because falling means being far away from God, and because falling means Hell, and falling means he can't do a little magic trick to protect Crowley anymore.

That's not getting into how Aziraphale, being a victim of abuse from Heaven, is very very vulnerable to Metatron's manipulation.

Now let's talk about Crowley. Many have noted how Crowley didn't mention he knew the plans about the Second Coming, and he knew what Heaven planned to do to Gabriel.

That's because he believed that "communication" would fix it. As in, talking about his feelings.

I strongly believe that - seeing how fiercely protective he is of Aziraphale and how not knowing could jeopardize his safety - he would absolutely have mentioned all that he'd learned in Heaven if Maggie and Nina, however correct and well intentioned they might have been, hadn't also tried to meddle in aziracrow's relationship themselves (after rightfully informing crowley that they were no game, and their love life was none of his business). You don't talk about your feelings, they said. They were right! But it was the worst possible time to mention it.

So that's what he did, or tried to do. He tried to talk about his feelings, and failed to fix anything. The confession actually made things WORSE for them, driving them further apart, because by that point they were speaking two completely different languages and couldn't understand each other at all.

So, with that setup, the ending we got was the only possible ending we could get.

At the end of the day, I have absolute trust that Neil Gaiman and the team will give our ineffable husbands a worthy ending, though I don't trust Amazon to let them do it at all. Please keep streaming the show and supporting the writers and actors on strike!

[max-is-really-okay]

As someone who grew up very gay in a DEEPLY religious family, Good Omens 2 got everything right, from beginning to end.

Spoilers under the cut

So as I've watched the show, I feel like I've found some pretty good parallels to the life of two older queers with religious trauma coming together.

From where I'm sitting (a borderline homeless queer who had to leave my family because of RAMPANT and DANGEROUS homophobia)

Crowly was disowned by his family for being gay (and probably also for that gender stuff), and has grown up on his own. He knows who he is. He's happy with who he is. You couldn't pay him to go back to his life before he came out because he was miserable. Every bit of joy he had was taken away or ridiculed until he was told God didn't love him anymore. We see snippets where he misses home, but it is clear from the BEGINNING that that's not where he belongs.

Aziraphale, on the other hand, has just been sidelined for his sexuality. As long as he doesn't make too much of a fuss or "make it his whole personality", he'll still be a part of the family. God still loves him. So even if they don't seem to understand him, Aziraphale wholeheartedly believes that his family and god want what's best for him. That God is always right. He loves Crowly, but he's not willing to turn his back on god or his family. No matter how wrong it feels or how much it hurts, Aziraphale, as we saw in the show, will always do what he believes is right.

Crowly probably remembers how it felt to be in Aziraphale's situation, so it makes sense that he'd be willing to wait for so long. What he doesn't understand is Aziraphale's utter devotion to his family and God.

Aziraphale knows that having to go out on his own was hard on Crowly. He's starting to see the cracks in the system and asking the right/wrong questions. What he doesn't understand is why Crowly wouldn't want to go back. Why he wouldn't want to be welcomed back into his family's arms and seen as pure again in the eyes of god.

THAT is why they weren't ready to be together. Crowly saw that a relationship like theirs can exist without anything terrible happening and wants to finally be together, but Aziraphale wants to go back to the place that said that neither of them would ever be good enough. Aziraphale saw the person who had always taken charge in demeaning him step down from power and was offered to make the world a better place with the being he loves by his side. They were both offered their dreams, but neither of them wants what the other does.

Not getting a happy ending sucks. Not getting a happy ending when the strikes aren't ending, so a continuation is not guaranteed, SUCKS. But also, they aren't ready to be together yet. Aziraphale needs to grow to love himself and Crowly needs to learn to care about other people.

@neil-gaiman made a masterpiece with this season.

[grinning13]

Good Omens 2 Spoilers ahead!!!

One thing that I keep thinking about it is WHY would the Metatron chose Aziraphale as the new replacement archangel…..yeah he said all the bits about Aziraphale being honest and a leader and whatnot, but none of the other angels in charge EVER had that, so why would it be important now?

It’s obvious in the show that Crowley was an insanely powerful angel!! (that’s how he got access to Gabriel’s file, was able to stop time at the end of season 1, BUILT STAR SYSTEMS WHILE “working closely with the one in charge upstairs”, etc) Aziraphale was guardian of the eastern gate, sure, but he was a “lower ranking” angel than Crowley

What if the metatron REALLY wanted to get to some of CROWLEY’S power….and what would be the best way to get to Crowley?…he’s going to go through Aziraphale by manipulating Aziraphale into rejoining heaven!!!

And then Crowley will come save Aziraphale (because he always does) and then absolutely nothing tragic or heartbreaking will happen because this is Neil Gaimen we’re talking about here and Aziraphale will do a million apology dances and they’ll go live in a cottage on the South Downs and everything will be fine

[nutmeggery]

Crowley is Lucifer theory - why it makes sense and also why it doesn't

You've probably seen the Crowley Lucifer theory going around. I did and I thought about it.

Possible clues:

We know Crowley was a high ranking angel from s2 through a few clues:

Crowley opening the file.

Crowley asking "how do you know I didn't do it?" when Shax says a miracle only the most powerful of archangels could have performed happened at the bookshop.

There is also the possible clue of Metatron saying that two princes of Heaven falling to hell would be a problem during Gabriel's trial. We can guess the prince of Heaven was Lucifer because, well, the bible. But that's not enough to think it's Crowley, though.

However!

In s1 Crowley says something along the lines "I was just minding my own business then suddenly it's Lucifer and the guys."

So the question is: why would Crowley be part of Lucy's guys if he was just minding his own business? Wouldn't it make more sense that others just started following Crowley because they liked his questioning of authority and just general vibe back then?

(Crowley is also the only character to say the name Lucifer in the show so far.)

In s2 Crowley says the iconic line, "let there be light." And started the universe. Now, isn't Lucifer the light bringer?

Crowley is also the serpent in the garden of Eden, and wasn't that also the devil, Lucifer after the fall?

But, of course, there's the elephant in the room;

Crowley is not Satan, the current ruler of hell.

We've seen Satan. Big, red guy. Definitely not Crowley.

We know Satan rules hell. Traditionally, in bible-fiction media, Lucifer and Satan are the same being. But Good Omens does like to differ from actual bible lore. Like the archangels being high rank and in charge when archangels are not, according to tradition, that highly ranked. Gaimen and Pratchett did mention that the archangels in Good Omens are not the same type of archangel as traditionan. So we know they played around with the lore.

Then, why not have Satan and Lucifer be two different beings as well?

Also note that in the show, the ruler of hell is always referred to as Satan. Never as Lucifer.

Could that be a clue? Is the show telling us Satan and Lucifer are not necessarily the same being?

Crowley doesn't seem interested in ruling hell, or even becoming a grand duke of hell like Beelzebub or Hastur. So wouldn't it make sense that Crowley would let someone else rule hell even if he was technically one of the most powerful demons? or maybe Satan overpowered him. But not being interested in ruling seems more consistent with Crowley's personality.

Then again, having Satan and Lucifer be different beings does seem strange. Why would they (Neil and Terry) do that?

Would Crowley being Lucifer matter?

Probably not. But we don't entirely know how s3 is supposed to pan out. So who knows, really.

Could just be something for us fans to speculate about that will never be confirmed or denied.

Or it could be a big twist that will matter in the end.

But what do you think?

Do you think Crowley could be Lucifer?

Any other clues for or against that I missed?

I should say I wasn't brought up on bible verses or a religious family so my bible knowledge is not the most advanced and I'm sure others know way more stuff that can either lend credence to the theory or destroy it.

[sarcasticorgasms]

call me crazy but i REALLY enjoyed the ending of good omens s2! (spoilers below the cut)

OKAY crowley points this out when he tells gabriel to jump out the window, but aziraphale didnt actually witness heaven's direct cruelty to him, didnt experience first hand how willing they were to throw him away and kill him the second he disagreed with them. crowley, however, did. we dont know if they ever told each other exactly what happened, or if crowley ever told zira that gabriel had said "just shut your stupid mouth and die already." it clearly lasted with crowley, he remembers the exact words.

the choice neil made for aziraphale to not yet fully understand that "good guys" and "bad guys" arent accurate depictions of heaven and hell makes sense when you realize that he's never received the reality of being punished by them. crowley isn't naive though, he's been through this more than once, has witnessed the cult like mentality of heaven and hell and tried to help aziraphale escape. he's always tried to help zira come to his own conclusions, and usually, he at least comes to an understanding (poor people DO have less opportunities, and you're helping science!). you can feel his desperation when hes asking his angel to leave with him, both in season 1 and season 2. but that resignation in his eyes when he realizes that zira is still stuck in the cult of heaven, still cant really see in shades of grey- he knows that nothing he says or does will change zira's mind; the only thing that will change his mind is seeing first hand the cruelty and lack of compassion from heaven towards aziraphale himself.

there were so many amazing moments where they showed the lack of knowledge from heaven. the rule that they're not to visit earth, not to know too much (or anything, it seems) about humans. because someone in heaven knows that access to knowledge makes you smarter, makes you curious, makes you ask questions. whether or not thats the decision of god, or of metatron remains to be seen. but one person being in charge, who's clearly clueless but pretends to know what god wants, is classic cult leader shit. people who follow along without question, who assume that their will is good- that's what the angels are. its hard to truly hate them when you realize that they're all under the same thumb. that scene when uriel asks the metatron if they've done something wrong was kind of heart breaking, they're just children playing a game they were never told all the rules to.

what makes crowley so fascinating as a character is that he's curious, he asks questions. he's not good, he's not bad, he's just... himself. honestly, he's more human than demon in his choices. what he said about following hell as far as he can, so he can stay on his own side is just perfect- and yeah, lonely. and i cant even imagine how lonely he feels now. im obsessed with how we're shown his attempts at changing aziraphale's mind - something about him being the one to encourage aziraphale to try human food, something about him inviting aziraphale to Edinburgh to show him how poverty forces you to make morally questionable choices, that not everything is black and white - idk. it's subtle, it's allowing him to come to the same conclusion on his own, it makes me want to shovel aquarium gravel into my mouth

aziraphale, when he's away from heaven's influence, is much more morally grey, he's more himself, he's happier. but as soon as his superiors are around, he loses all sense of self. he automatically assumed he was going to fall for lying to the other angels and not killing innocent children. he knows better than to ask questions, he KNOWS that what he's asked to do is sometimes wrong, but he has this cognitive dissonance he cant get past- heaven asks him to do things that are bad, but heaven isnt bad. heaven is always good, so what theyre asking must not be bad. but, killing children is pretty objectively bad. he cant kill children. but its god's will, so he has to, it must be good. but its not. and round and round it goes. he's never actually been punished by heaven firsthand, and i think once he sees close up that heaven's will isn't necessarily god's will, and that god's will is not always benevolent, he'll realize. he'll realize that you cant always change things from the inside, that there's a systematic issue that can only be solved by dismantling the institution. god i hope season 3 is dismantling heaven.

all in all i love this ending i am SUCH a sucker for escaping cult stories (nimona and she-ra, nd stevenson i love u). like your whole life you are so sure that you're doing the right thing, and then someone comes along and turns everything upside down and asks you questions, forces you to ask questions, and you can't help but defend where you came from, surely there has to be some mistake, if you could just talk to someone higher up you're sure you could clear this whole misunderstanding up, and then that higher up tell you point blank that they know what theyre doing, they know that innocent people are getting hurt. you witness their violence firsthand, and its intentional, its directed towards YOU. because you dared to ask if what we're doing is really the right thing. and that's when you finally understand.

[angrycloudloud]

Spoiler alert of Good Omens season 2

I'll try to explain the feeling of "this is a fanfic I've read before" by that I'll take in consideration not only "the coffee theory" but also the re-cast of actresses in other roles and the references to Doctor Who.

Enjoy my madness, and re watch season 2 so Amazon gives us season 3, please.

First:

We have the interesting choice of Derek Jacobi as Metatron and my personal hate/dislike/discomfort towards Metatron that I carry with me from the Supernatural Fandom and the discorporate scene from season 1.

I said interesting choice of Derek Jacobi as Metatron, because he was the proffesor Yana in Doctor Who during the season with Martha Jones as a companion, but you probably remember better the plot of proffesor Yana being The Master WITH NO MEMORIES OF BEING THE MASTER. (I'm chill, I'll take a deep breath)

The parallels with the amnesia plot and someone being better person with no memories between Jim/Gabriel and Yana/TheMaster are quite remarkable, but I want to point out that Metatron is one of the closest angels to God and we haven't heard from God this season unless we talk about the flashback from the Job story, so it's probable that Metatron is the real one in charge of Heaven since Armageddon't happened in season 1.

One of Metatron powers as we were told at the end of the season 2 is that he can rewrite the book of life. Archangel Michael wanted to use that power to erase the existence of those who hide Gabriel from heaven, but Metatron refused that option and send them to heaven, proving that he has more authority than the archangel Michael or Uriel.

I wanted to point out that to explain my next point, witch is one I have no real proof of... Anyway, I think Metatron is messing with reality and that's why we all get that feeling of "this is a fanfic I've read before". Why do I say that? When Jim/Gabriel was "putting in order" the books in the book shop he read the first sentence of the original material the show is based on, the book Good Omens write by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, that proves that the book exist in that reality and if a being other than God herself can be conscious about the fact of being in a novel or can manipulate the reality to turn the story of season one into a novel and write a fanfic after the end of that story... That character is Metatron.

I'm not sure of why he would have done that, but that will lead us to may next point.

The actresses who play completely different characters this season.

First we have our dearest Madame Tracy, Miranda Richardson, playing the demon Shax who is Crowley's substitute in his hell of a job. (sorry about that pun)

After that we have Nina and Maggie.

This is where it gets interesting. Because the actresses are playing characters with their real names and no last names (sorry if I'm wrong, I'll correct this if I'm wrong), but in season 1 Maggie played Sister Theresa Garrulous and Nina played Sister Mary Loquacious, both of them involved in the mistake that lead to Armageddon't being the both of them the ones (along with Crowley) that messed up the switch of the babies.

So... I think Metatron is mad about the events of the season one (the whole Great Plan thing), he could have tried to talk with God but she was enjoying the turn of events that Crowley and Aziraphale caused and ignore the rest of the children (a.k.a the angels) which lead the archangels to try again (I think Metatron was the master mind behind "Michael's plan" because archangel Michael has proven to be a bit incompetent this season only cares for the title of boss but not really good at it) and they vote about it, but the Bureaucracy Husbands were already a thing and make Armageddon't 2 even before the actual Armageddon could start to be put on action.

That is why I think the "present" of the story started with that fanfic/fictional-story feeling of fiction with a "nice morning" and Aziraphale being an angel towards the humans around him (which is suspicious that said human is Maggie) and finally the arrive of nude Gabriel as a plot start point.

I point this out because in season one God narrated things and all felt more normal, like the world was boring, ordinary nothing really extraordinary if demons or angels or the antichrist weren't involved (which was the reason Newton Pulsifer could located the unusual weather Taddfield had the prior eleven years), but this season the ambientation of the street was different (or I felt that way) like it was nicer less mundane or normal or ordinary...

We know angels don't completely get the human behavior, that's why I know I saw humans doing human things and having human reactions (when everyone was filming naked amnesiac Gabriel or the owners of the shops) but things like the ambientation of the street or Maggie and Nina's reactions towards magic (in season 1 Shadwell, Madame Tracy, Anathema, the Them or Newton had more realistic reactions when miracles were perform around them) or the demons surrounding the library (my first thought was "this smells like a Halloween Disney movie"), all those things felt a bit like if someone was writing something with not really idea of how the world work.

Finally, all this lead us to "the coffee theory" which is possible and if Metatron was writing the world we saw taking references from other things that already existed, would explain why that feeling of "fanfic" and... AND why he walked into the human world to interact with Aziraphale, the humans and the world instead of appear only as a gigantic head in the middle of the book shop. He needed to be there or at least he wanted to be there and was confident enough about his plan to go down to earth.

Angels were all about bureaucracy, they only showed their faces on earth if there is something important to do or say, but in season 1 Metatron didn't go down or interact, except when Aziraphale called him. And I think that plus the mega-powerful miracle that Aziraphale+Crowley casted over Jim/Gabriel, those two things were the reasons why Metatron decided that he needed Aziraphale by his side. (we can't forget this is a you are on my side or you are against me, kind of situation) And Metatron did something to Aziraphale which lead to the divorce kiss scene and our broken hearts.

That's all I have.

Thanks for reading.

And please, feel free to add or correct me if I'm wrong about something.

[improbabledreamgirl]

Good Omens really should be studied in classrooms. English class would’ve been so much more fun if that was the type of books we were reading. sure, it’s less than 40 years old, and schools loves to make students read classics, but it’s such a layered and complex story about religion and human nature. you could study characterization and the dynamics between characters , as well as the statements being made about absolutism (good vs. evil and shades of gray). there’s so much to unpack and analyze and discuss - while, at the same time, being an entertaining novel with an interesting plot and fun characters.

and, like with most things you’ll read in english class, you have to watch the adaptation afterwards! you could study the show and the choices made in it (visual motifs, facial expressions, tones of voice, music, scene structure, etc.), as well as comparing and contrasting it with the book. with the knowledge that Neil Gaiman was in charge of the adaptation, discussions could be had about how the author of the book itself made changed to his own work and why.

also worth nothing that, afterwards, students could watch season 2 and study it the same way because there’s so much more to unpack THERE (Crowley and Aziraphale’s religious trauma and how they respond to it so very differently, the Jane Austen references, the chaotic nature of including Doctor Who references, etc.)! if there was ever a novelization of season 2, then students would be able to read it and then watch the corresponding scenes in tandem.

[purplemoonabove]

Three weeks in, and Good Omens is still destroying me. At the same time, amazes me with all these posts on theories and analyzing scenes, whether they speak similar or complete truth in the writers’ planning.

I’m a writer and to see how much people would detail into this show is also an interesting use of research. Despite being of people’s opinions—nobody really can verify other than Neil if they’re true or not—the posts, especially the long ones with the examples, make a great viewing of research that inspires me on what I would do in my future stories.

I pray to my God that the third season will be confirmed, and the writers will be back in charge while getting their best desserts.

Such a damn good show. A damn good inspiration in writing. And a damn good reason to go to therapy for emotional damage

[cassolotl]

Good Omen 2, my first impressions

~* THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS *~

The Coffee Shop Lady is clearly the Crowley and the Record Shop Lady is clearly the Aziraphale, and I love them both, and I want them to be in season 3.

Also, Coffee Shop/Record Shop is such a fanfic-sounding situation, very bold of you to put the AU in the thing itself, I appreciate you taking that risk for us Mr Gaiman, thank you.

I don't know what I'm more boggled by, Metatron suggesting that Muriel, a being who only just discovered books literally that very day, be in charge of a hundreds-of-years-old bookshop whose contents are literally priceless, or that Aziraphale agreed to it????????

And finally, That Kiss. I've managed to avoid screenshots and gifs and whatnot by blocking the #GoodOmens hashtag for like three months, but I still managed to find out that they were gonna kiss from a real human whomst I know in person, because life just comes at you sideways like that sometimes, but that was the only thing I knew, really. Anyway I've got two thoughts:

I agree that Amazon shouldn't have put it in a trailer, but I can see why they did - if it was a straight couple in a full on romance show that everyone knew would get together eventually, it would be totally unremarkable. Whoever put that trailer together, they were being pretty right-on and queer-friendly on the surface of things, but they were also maybe missing some nuance there.

I've seen a lot of takes analysing the kiss and the motives and whatnot, but I think at the end of the day Neil G probably just wanted to give us the shove-against-a-wall kiss that would've happened in the convent hallway, you know the one. What with the Coffee Shop/Record Shop AU and Ineffable Bureaucracy, I feel pretty okay to hazard a guess in the fanservice-flavoured direction. And Crowley and Aziraphale are a bunch of doofuses, their first kiss was always going to be Crowley initiating and absolutely furious about it.

I'm kinda sad in a way, because us asexual aromantic queers have lost our representation a little bit. But also yeah they should just be kissing each other together if they want to, isn't it?

Anyway thanks for your time, carry on~

[ameliazcampbell]

I know who Crowley was in heaven :)) (Good Omens Theory)

To the one that asked for this theory, i'm sorry for the delay, i tried my best to re-write this and for it to have sense.

So, we all know that Crowley is well known between both heaven and hell, being demonstrated by a couples of characters over the series.

today i'll be talking exclusevely about how season two neil gave us quite a lot of Clues (☆A Clue☆)

In the beggining, when Crowley met Azi (gonna talk about them later) for the very first time, he said that he worked very close with upstairs in the creation of the universe, nebulas, planets and stars.

Later in the show, when crowley talks with saraquel, she says that they worked together in one of the nebulas, to wich crowley answers "i met a lot of people"

Also, from hell's side, when Furfur mentioned that they gought toghether in the great war, and tried to make Crowley remember him

(btw, this is the best crowley look)

AND in that same scene, when Furfur is trying to say Azi's name, he pulls out a book, and, IN THAT SAME PAGE we can read the name of other angel, a little bit blury, but we can still differentiate a name

That name is Baraqiel

The book says that Baraqiel is the Angel of the Sky, with an eye-birning ginger hair. It also says that Baraqiel is a Dominion, and you'll say "Oh, Amelia, but we don't know what a Dominion is :c"

Well, in easy words, a Dominion is like the conector between upstairs and earth, thry communicate upper angel's orders to lower angels (and sometimes humans)

And again "But Amelia, how do we inow if Crowley was Baraquiel if we don't know what was his charge?" And I'll answer, "well darling, actually, an angel gave us a really good ☆Clue☆, one of the lowest angels known as Muriel (ma baby) leaded the thin dark duke to heaven, miracled the Gabriel documents to him but couldn't open them because:

"You have to be a Throne, a Dominion or avobe"

and he opened it 'cuz he knew the password... right.

Oh, and about Aziraphale and their ever first meeting<3

Azi seemed very exited, trying to predent himself almost instantly after "recognizing" the starmaker angel, and trying to be as helpfull as possible when that lovely angel asked him for, well, help <3

Even thinking that the "you're gorgeous" was for them<3<3

So, let's summarize:

★Baraqiel had "ginger" hair, Crowley has red hair.

★Baraqiel is the Angel of the Sky. Crowley literaly worked in the creation of the whole universe.

★Baraqiel is a Dominion, wich means they had communication with upper powers of heaven and maybe even God herself, and gave orders to lower angels often, being known in almost all heaven and maybe even between humans.

★Crowley seems to be well known between both heaven and hell, not only vecause it's,,, idk,, THE serpent of eden, but because many angels might have worked with him in the creation of universe (such as saraqael/saraquiel/saraqel idk how it's spelled)

★Only Thrones, Dominions or angels avobe could oppen records such as Gabriel's ones.

★Crowley knows heaven's passwords for serious documents :) oh, and she could open Gabriel's document.

Crowley was Baraqiel. that's it.

and maybe heaven errased Muriel's memory, but we aren't talking 'bout them t'day :)))