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Do you think Harry could be scary at times? Like put actual fear into people? Because I think I remember some moments where Hermione was afraid of him or was a least kinda hesitant with him. Like this quote here from HP and the Deathly Hallows:
âYou nevÂer reÂalÂly tried!â she said hotÂly. âI donât get it, HarÂry â do you like havÂing this speÂcial conÂnecÂtion or reÂlaÂtionÂship or what â whatÂevÂer â â
She falÂtered unÂder the look he gave her as he stood up.
âLike it?â he said quiÂetÂly. âWould you like it?â
âI â no â Iâm sorÂry, HarÂry. I just didnât mean â â
He literally just looked at her, stood, and she was over there stuttering and backing down.
Yes! OMG, yes! Harry can and is scary when he wants to be and I love him for it!
A few more examples that popped into my head:
âI havenât finished with you, boy!â âGet out of the way,â said Harry quietly. âYouâre going to stay here and explain how my son ââ âIf you donât get out of the way Iâm going to jinx you,â said Harry, raising the wand. âYou canât pull that one on me!â snarled Uncle Vernon. âI know youâre not allowed to use it outside that madhouse you call a school!â âThe madhouse has chucked me out,â said Harry. âSo I can do whatever I like. Youâve got three seconds. One â two ââ
(OotP, 45)
Uncle Vernon reacts to him with anger, which is his fear response. But Harry is talking quietly and deliberately, he isn't shouting and Vernon shuts up and listens, not cutting Harry off with his shouts. Harry actually cuts him off speaking quietly and Vernon lets him. And Vernon lashes out, as he always does when it comes to magic â because it scares him. Harry scares him.
âWell, itâs like Hagrid said, they can look after themselves,â said Hermione impatiently, âand I suppose a teacher like Grubbly-Plank wouldnât usually show them to us before N.E.W.T. level, but, well, they are very interesting, arenât they? The way some people can see them and some canât! I wish I could.â âDo you?â Harry asked her quietly. She looked horrorstruck. âOh Harry â Iâm sorry â no, of course I donât â that was a really stupid thing to say ââ
(OotP, 450)
Hermione stutters around Harry quite a bit. I think she is, like, concerned about him at all times at the back of her head a bit since it takes very little from him to rattle her. I'm not copying it here but you see it too when Harry shouts at her and Ron at the beginning of OotP, Ron argues back a bit, but Hermione gets incredibly rattled. Hermione doesn't deal with Harry's anger well. There are more scenes like the one you mentioned as well.
I'm re-reading Deathly Hallows right now and came upon this scene:
Somehow her [Hermione's] panic seemed to clear Harryâs head. âLock the door,â he told her, âand Ron, turn out the lights.â He looked down at the paralyzed Dolohov, thinking fast as the lock clicked and Ron used the Deluminator to plunge the caf into darkness. Harry could hear the men who had jeered at Hermione earlier, yelling at another girl in the distance. âWhat are we going to do with them?â Ron whispered to Harry through the dark; then, even more quietly, âKill them? Theyâd kill us. They had a good go just now.â Hermione shuddered and took a step backward. Harry shook his head. âWe just need to wipe their memories,â said Harry. âItâs better like that, itâll throw them off the scent. If we killed them itâd be obvious we were here.â âYouâre the boss,â said Ron, sounding profoundly relieved. âBut Iâve never done a Memory Charm.â
(DH, 146)
That needs to be talked about more.
Some people like to point at Remus telling Harry that "the time for Expeliarmos is over" as proof Harry isn't willing to kill, but this isn't true. Harry isn't willing to kill Stan Shunpike, whom he considers innocent, Harry was the calmest of the trio and very much considered killing the Death Eaters and chose not to for completely tactical and cold reasons, not ones of ethics or qualms about murder. And I love the dynamic this short scene portrays with the trio a lot. Like, Harry is calm under pressure and calls the shots, Ron offers a way to deal with things, and then Hermione actually executes the memory charms. And here too, when Hermione stepped back, she was scared of Harry (and Ron a little). She doesn't for a second think he wouldn't kill them if he thought it was the right thing to do. She stepped back because she was scared Harry would kill them.
â...Thank you!â said Mundungus, snatching the goblet out of Ronâs hand and stuffing it back into the case. âWell, Iâll see you all â OUCH!â Harry had pinned Mundungus against the wall of the pub by the throat. Holding him fast with one hand, he pulled out his wand. âHarry!â squealed Hermione. âYou took that from Siriusâs house,â said Harry, who was almost nose to nose with Mundungus and was breathing in an unpleasant smell of old tobacco and spirits. âThat had the Black family crest on it.â âI â no â what â ?â spluttered Mundungus, who was slowly turning purple. âWhat did you do, go back the night he died and strip the place?â snarled Harry. âI â no ââ âGive it to me!â
(HBP, 245-246)
Harry lifts Mundungus and strangles him... and both Mundungus and Hermione are scared of him... because he is scary.
said Voldemort coldly, and though he could not see it, Harry pictured Bellatrix withdrawing a helpful hand. âThe boy . . . Is he dead?â There was complete silence in the clearing. Nobody approached Harry, but he felt their concentrated gaze; it seemed to press him harder into the ground, and he was terrified a finger or an eyelid might twitch. âYou,â said Voldemort, and there was a bang and a small shriek of pain. âExamine him. Tell me whether he is dead.â Harry did not know who had been sent to verify. He could only lie there, with his heart thumping traitorously, and wait to be examined, but at the same time noting, small comfort though it was, that Voldemort was wary of approaching him, that Voldemort suspected that all had not gone to plan. . . .
(DH, 612)
Voldemort is outright scared of Harry and isn't willing to come near him to check if he's dead...
Like, I am not a fan of the weaker, softer fanon version of Harry James Potter that I see on occasion (obviously everyone can do what they want, I just personally don't like it much when he's portrayed as small and submissive as if Harry has ever submitted in his life). He is not as tall as Ron, but he isn't short either (the same height as James, so likely around 6 feet), he is physically capable of lifting Mundungus even without magic with a single hand and he is so magically capable (more than almost every other character, bar exceptions like Dumbledore, Voldemort, and Snape). No wonder he can be scary, both physically and magically. And yes, Hermione is outright scared of Harry at times. So are other characters.
So, yeah, I strongly agree, Harry can definitely scare people if he wants to, and sometimes even when he doesn't. He seems to have an intimidation factor he isn't fully aware of and therefore doesn't notice all that much.
#harry potter#hp#harry james potter#he is my boy#who i love dearly#and who has anger issues that i rejoice whenever i see them#my boy is kind and compassionate#but he can also be terrifying#hp meta#asks#anonymous#anon asks#hollowedtheory#harry potter analysis
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Draco doesnât say he saw Harry even though that would've been the obvious way to distract his attacker and get himself out of trouble.
What was he supposed to say here? Was he supposed to just die?
Why was this Death Eater so sure that Draco wasn't on his side? What had Draco done that led him to that conclusion?
I love how Harry immediately, reflexively saves him without even thinking about it. He's moving quickly, trying not to attract attention or get involved. But when Draco is in danger intervening feels utterly natural to him.
#hp reread#Draco Malfoy#Draco Malfoy meta#Harry Potter#drarry#harry potter and the deathly hallows#my post
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mother fuck, while doing research for my james potter essay for @annabtg, I came across THIS quote:
Madam Rosmerta: âOf all the people to go over to the Dark Side, Sirius Black was the last Iâd have thought ⊠I mean, I remember him when he was a boy at Hogwarts. If youâd told me what he was going to become, Iâd have said youâd had too much mead.â
Sirius Black was, even to someone who barely knew him, SUCH a deeply good person that he was the last person you'd have thought would become a death eater. THE LAST PERSON. Not the loyal, Gryffindor-bred James Potter, not quiet Prefect Remus Lupin, SIRIUS FUCKING BLACK, the firstborn son of a blood supremacist family with several family members who actively served Voldemort.
Young Sirius Black was so full of goodness that if someone said he was going to be a death eater, Rosmerta would have thought they must be drunk.
And Remus and McGonagall and Dumbledore and everyone else who knew him so much better let him go to Azkaban without a trial, never tried to get him out, never gave this boy the benefit of the doubt.
And then what did he do when he broke himself out of Azkaban? He forgave Remus in an instant. He rejoined the Order. He trusted Dumbledore enough to willingly stay locked up again. He handed his house over to be used for the Order, welcomed people to come and go as they pleased, to stay long-term if they needed -- even Snape, who had recently been eager to have him killed. And in a matter of two years, showed Harry more parental love and support than anyone had before -- to the point of dying for him, exactly as his parents did.
So when you actually look at canon Sirius, I think it's very clear why he was the last person you'd expect.
#admit to sirius black's supremacy. or get the fuck out of my house.#anna did i not say i could accidentally write an essay on sirius black....?#sirius black#good godfather sirius black#the marauders#hp#sirius black meta
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the people who claim ginnyâs âpersonalityâ came out of nowhere never fail to amaze me with their inability to actually comprehend the text
itâs literally shown in PS (fleetingly) on the train platform and talked about as early as CoS that ginny weasley is a certified YAPPER. sheâs a talkative, opinionated gal. ron points out that her quiet / shy behaviour is very unusual for her, so if one does have basic comprehension skills, it is pretty clear that the ginny we see in the earlier books (which are from harryâs pov) is not who she really is. ginny says as much herself in HBP, âi never used to be able to talk in front of you remember? hermione thought youâd take more notice if i was a bit more⊠myselfâ? like are we comprehending this? itâs not rocket scienceâŠ
as the books go on, her confidence around harry grows the more she detaches herself from the idea of harry that she grew up with, and the actual harry. this journey is slightly impeded by the fact that harry saves ginnyâs life in CoS, which she feels a significant amount of guilt and embarrassment over (which harry himself picks up on this in PoA), not to mention sheâs still processing the trauma that accompanied that experience (as seen in the way she reacts to the dementors â she is the only one who has a strong reaction to them, like harry). in the years following, we find out in CC (whether you take that to be canon or not), ginny explains she was very lonely during and after the diary debacle, as she felt very isolated from everyone else. this would also cause her self-confidence to take a severe battering, therefore her true personality is not able to shine, especially not in front of harry potter aka her crush aka the boy who saved her life and almost died doing it.
in GoF, harry (and in turn us, as the readers) start to see glimpses of her playful personality - sheâs close with fred and george, she calls her brothers out when theyâre being unkind, she goes to the yule ball with neville (turning down the opportunity to go with harry, because she doesnât want to go back on her word), she gives ronâs owl a silly name and she starts to let go of her childhood crush, and takes a chance on another boy whoâs actually shown interest in her.
by the time we see her again in OotP, OF COURSE she has undergone some serious character development. she has a boyfriend now! she has a group of friends now! sheâs able to be herself around harry! she has a better support system now, her self confidence has returned, and with it, her sense of self worth. she calls harry out on his shit when he needs it, she also comforts him and gives him the space to share his worries without judgement or admonition, she stands up for whatâs right, she kicks ass at quidditch (which sheâs been wanting to do for the past four years bc she has been practising since she was six years old!), she joins the fight at the DoM, risking her life and dumps her boyfriend for being a sore loser! because she deserves better than that!
the ginny we see in HBP has gone through So Much. but she has only continued to grow as a character - with so much heart, wit and spunk. of course, harry is paying attention now and of COURSE heâs a flustered mess trying not to fall for his bestfriendâs sister for nearly 800 pages but he canât help it!!!
a lot of ginnyâs development happens behind the scenes, in quiet ways, but if you actually pay attention, itâs very obvious who she truly is. the reader slowly becomes more fascinated by this girl as more and more of her story unravels â as does harry. and thatâs the beauty of it.
#ginny weasley#my rambles#harry potter#harry x ginny#hinny#hp#book ginny#ginevra molly weasley#ron weasley#hermione granger#ginny weasley rambles#hp meta
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snape is such a fun character to make headcanons for because i feel like thereâs so many ways you can go with it. like, iâve seen a lot of people say that snape doesnât take care of himself, like not eating well or washing his hair (lol), and i think that definitely makes sense considering his martyrdom/guilt complex and being raised in poverty. but iâve also seen people imagining that snape is like really good at cooking and baking, which makes sense with him being a potions master but also kind of conflicts with the other point of view. i think the happy medium is that snape knows how to cook and bake but wouldnât take the time to do them for himself, only for other people. however thereâs a secret fourth option that i want to know peopleâs opinions on
i like the idea that snape actually does take care of himself, but heâs just kind of bad at it. like i think he tries to make his hair look decent, but it just gets greasy really fast and he tends not to notice until itâs already in pretty bad shape. and i also kind of like the idea of snape not only cooking and baking for others, but also for himself â not out of any real love or care for himself, but as a way of chasing success and distancing himself from his childhood and from poverty. like i can just picture him at the malfoys trying some fancy hors dâoeuvres and being like, oh, so this is how the other half lives. i want to get good at this. and thereâs something wonderfully ironic (and letâs be real, kind of pathetic) about the idea of snape carefully preparing a charcuterie board of expensive delicacies to eat by himself in the dungeons or the drafty old sitting room in spinnerâs end.
in this case, his hair and his eating habits are really symptoms of the same problem â heâs trying to run away from his past, but he just keeps failing. he tries to fit in with the upper class and the purebloods, to the point he acts like them even when heâs alone, but thereâs always something that betrays him as an outsider, whether itâs his body, his loneliness, or the fact that he still lives in his childhood home. no matter what he does, no matter how hard he tries to escape himself and his memories, he just canât succeed.
âŠalmost like how even when heâs trying to be a good person, he still has to kill someone he cares about to be one. heâll never be free of his past, heâll never be firmly on one side or the other. heâs just kind of doomed.
basically the takeaway here is that any headcanon can be true if you frame it the right way. also we should read way too much into everything forever. ok byeee
#lol this is the draft i was talking about. itâs mildly insane but. whatever#hp#severus snape#snape#hp meta#snape meta#pro snape#professor snape#snape fandom#pro severus snape#snapedom#harry potter meta#harry potter#hp fandom#my posts
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meta knight is the character ever. he got to wish for literally anything he wanted and he wished to fight against the strongest warrior in the galaxy, he has zero communication skills, he didn't like how everyone lazes around all day so he decided to overthrow the government and failed, his ship has his face plastered on the front for no reason, he decided to go down with said ship, he has a strict moral code but is willing to throw hands with an 8 year with no hesitation, he keeps getting his ass kicked by said 8 year old, he has a sweet tooth and feels the need to hide it even though literally everyone around him loves sweets. he's punched jk rowling in the face
#kirby#meta knight#ramblings#kirby right back at ya#hoshi no kaabii#im procrastinating on studying for my german exam tomorrow â#he feels like he wanted to be in any game other than kirby and has since learned that in the end he got attached to#the weird little planet and its weird little inhabitants#edit: this post gained a lot more attention than i thought it would so i feel the need to clarify;#meta knight punched jk rowling in an episode of the kirby anime#but it was her evil clone. i just thought it would be funny to reference#bc ive been bingewatching KRBAY and then saw an edit that makes it look like there's just one jk rowling#so the episode is pro-hp (but to be fair it was 2002) sorry :')#but we can dream
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Hi I'm so freaking obsessed with your twitter.
Also what's your favorite Romione moment in the books and why?
ohohoho thank you, friend, iâm quite proud of some of the stuff iâve posted on there B)
and as for my favourite romione moment in the books, when i read the question i first blanked out for a couple minutes, thinking of a bunch of smaller, sillier scenes. but then i remembered that i do have a favourite and itâs from chapter 11 of DH, when remus visited the trio at grimmauld place and filled them in on he goings on of the war -including the implementation of the muggle-born registry. ronâs response upon hearing this (after his immediate outrage) was
and itâs not just the hand holding and the ââyou wonât have a choiceâ said Ron fiercelyâ that played out so vividly in my head like this:
but this scene demonstrates so perfectly the political weight of this pairing (muggleborn/blood traitor) which i think is the immovable narrative foundation of romione. all of their silly moments and idiosyncrasies aside, there is genuine narrative purpose behind this love. ron has always had an astute understanding of the blood supremacist politics of the wizarding world (need i remind that he was ready to curse shitco at the ripe age of 12 for calling hermione the in-universe slur) and just how wrong it is. ron is a pure-blood wizard and by design has so much privilege in this society bc of it, but by virtue of having parents like arthur and molly, heâs grown up knowing the importance of fighting against blood supremacist ideology. always.
so, after hearing about the completely horrifying muggleborn registry ("People won't let this happen," said Ron. "It is happening, Ron," said Lupin.), he immediately turns to his muggleborn best friend and love of his life and says âiâm making you a family member, iâm going to use the protection my family-name has and use it to protect you from the awful injustice of our situation, no you wonât have a choice but to let me help youâ
i remember having such a⊠visceral reaction while reading this scene like holy shit .. these kids, THESE KIDS!!!!! this is the bone-marrow-deep love that makes me feel insane. this dynamic of the blood traitor/muggleborn always there, from CoS all the way to the epilogue. We get to see that romione is the storyâs pure blood/muggleborn that finally made it (rip jily and tedromeda :(). we see it in hermione keeping her muggle last name after they get married (oh my god these two actually got married) and we also see it in the hyphenated Granger-Weasley (granger being first!) in their kidsâ last names (oh my gof these two had TWO kids). they are a true symbol of change and progress in their world.
also this is one of those moments where iâm so glad that our only window to romiones relationship development is through harryâs narration because it so brilliantly shows the readers this blossoming love story instead of just telling us about it because harry obviously doesnât have access to the inner thoughts of his two best friends, he can only witness them fall deeper in love. showing the audience acts of love is always more powerful and my god is this an act of showing your love to your beloved.
(and not to go on an unrelated tangent, but this is exactly why i could never ship my girl hermione w any DE or DE-adjacent character. no fucking way. not when the concept of a muggle-born registry exists in this universe, not when the antagonists in this story wish to eradicate people like her from their society. idk about the rest of yâall but im going to keep taking the narrative seriously bc the worldbuilding obviously has real world ties/implications and i like engaging with the canon. tangently to the tangent, i saw someone (a ron basher) on twitter say that ron, OUR RON FROM THE ABOVE EXCERPT, was âone bad day away from becoming a death eaterâ ohhhh ohhh i ought to beat you with sticks bc HUH? this is the same kid who said he wouldâve boarded the train back to kings cross if he got sorted to slytherin, the house notorious for birthing DEs, at the tender age of 11)
anyways, all this to say is that romione is incredibly, realistically, materially romantic and i love them and i love their love <3
#romione#harry potter#harry potter and the deathly hallows#pro romione#bc duh#romione meta#hp meta#harry potter meta#toorumlk#nusreplies#my art#bc the hands#ron weasley defense squad
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The Empathy Gap: Harry vs. Snape
There's a noticeable hypocrisy in how people talk about Harry and Snape, especially regarding their experiences with trauma and redemption. Iâve honestly lost count of how many times Iâve heard people say, "Harry had every right to turn into a villain" because of everything heâs been through, and that they wouldnât blame him if he did.
In contrast, consider Snape, who actually fell into darkness due to his own trauma and lack of support. Unlike the hypothetical scenario with Harry, Snapeâs descent into darkness is real, and his attempts to atone for his past have received far less compassion. When Snape seeks redemption, people are quick to dismiss it, claiming, "He didnât deserve a redemption arc," or "He doesnât deserve forgiveness."
Sympathy for Harry is easy when it remains theoreticalâit allows readers to explore the idea of his potential fall without grappling with the concrete implications of such a transformation in the story. The harsh judgment of Snape starkly contrasts with the leniency shown to Harry, and honestly, it has been bothering me a little.
This inconsistency points to a deeper issue in how people approach empathy. Itâs easy to sympathize with the idea of someone like Harry turning dark because of trauma, but extending that same understanding when the fall from grace actually occurs, as with Snape, proves much more challenging. Snapeâs efforts to redeem himself are overshadowed by his past actions and harsh demeanor, revealing a gap in people's practice of empathy and forgiveness.
#I hope my rants make sense lol#hp series#severus snape#harry potter#pro snape#snape#anti snaters#professor snape#snape fandom#meta#hp meta#harry potter meta#snape meta#morally grey characters#complex characters
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Remus Lupin doesn't have visible scars
In the books Remus doesn't have any visible scars that we know of (don't talk to me about the movies). It's safe to assume that Greyback's bite/attack left a scar because Greyback scarred Bill without even having transformed, but we never see Remus's bite scar. Remus himself tells us that werewolf wounds are cursed and that he bit and scratched himself. But there's nothing to suggest Remus has scars on parts of his body usually visible to the public, let alone is covered in them.
In fact, it's far more likely that he doesn't have any visible scars, or if he did, that they were very inconspicuous.
Because - although Harry can be oblivious at times - Harry notices a great deal about his appearance. Forgive me for not using the exact quotes here, but:
Harry notices that Remus looks quite young, notices his hair color (light brown), but also that it's already flecked with grey, he notices the state of his robes, he notices his pallid skin (more than once), he notices how he looks as if he had a few square meals, he notices how he looks ill again, how his robes hang loosely from his shoulders, he notices his facial expressions in great detail (e.g. shaken and pleased), he notices throughout the years how his hair becomes greyer, and his robes more patched and shabby. But he never mentions facial scars or scarred hands. And when he calls Remus to him in the Forbidden Forest, Remus - in death - looks younger and his hair is thicker and darker, but Harry doesn't notice any sudden absence of scars.
So, it's one of two things... Either Remus cast glamour charms on himself regularly (but why wasn't his corpse covered in scars then?)... or he simply didn't have any scars in places that would be visible when wearing normal clothing. Considering Harry's astute observation (that sounds sarcastic, but for once I'm not), the latter is far more likely. After all, he notices Moody's scars right away.
Why does this matter, you ask? Let the man have scars! It adds to his tragedy! Well, I disagree.
It matters because it shows that the whole idea of him (werewolves) being dirty, contaminated, stained is linked to his very being. Nothing he does can change a thing about it, it is linked to him because he is a werewolf, not because he looks or acts like a werewolf or any certain kind of way. His 'dirtiness' isn't something that you can see from the outside, it isn't slammed into your face by his looks, meaning his appearance cannot be used as proof to justify prejudice against werewolves along the lines of 'oh, see, of course the violent werewolf is slashing himself'. It matters because it shows just how deep the stigma carries (not that discriminating against people who are considered physically unattractive is okay by any means - it's not!). People are appalled by him even though there's no visible proof of his alleged unhinged nature, they simply assume once they know because that's how werewolves are, right, and don't even give him a chance. Well, the thing is, Remus serves as proof that it - unhinged and feral - is not how werewolves are. In fact, the author made a great effort to make Remus as un-werewolf-y as possible. Yes, he's poor, his clothes are in a bad state, but that's due to the circumstances; he didn't discard basic hygiene and surrender to his wolfish nature like Greyback. He's not only fighting for the side that continues to oppress him (and ffs, he's even identifying with it!), dying a martyr for them, he's constantly narrated as talking 'mildly', 'softly', 'pleasantly', and 'quietly'. Yes, Remus isn't always nice and he's not naive; he's a real warrior. But covering him in scars takes away from that alleged contradiction, it takes away from how meaningful it is when he at times loses his precious self-control, because it is already putting him closer to the feral, unhinged being he is in society's eyes.
Also, the absence of visible scars puts much more weight onto Remus's character. He is mild and pleasant and quiet although he doesn't really have to be. There's nothing on the outside he has to make up for. He's not physically intimidating, there's nothing feral about him, nothing to give away his werewolf status at first glance. And he still does it because it's just so important to him not to be seen as the usual werewolf. That must never happen. If he had visible scars he would have much more reason to adjust his behavior. So, him doing it nonetheless hits harder, because it shows us, how much he himself really identifies with being a werewolf. He's not primarily acting like that because the expectation of others he wants to prove wrong, but because he himself sees it a necessity even before others can have any expectations of him. It puts a different weight onto his avoidant behavior and his self-loathing. Because he is shunning himself in anticipation of being shunned. It's not his appearance that takes the decision away from him. It really shows how deep his self-loathing runs, how deep the mere knowledge of being a werewolf, not looking like one, not acting like one defines him. And I think that's part of the point of his condition - his own view of himself and the view of others, both looking at him through the lens of 'werewolf' first and foremost although there's no real evidence to suggest he's different from other people - at least not in a sense that should matter to others.
Moreover, his scars might - would probably - serve as a reminder of how awful his transformations truly were. Without them, it - the pain - becomes invisible to a degree. Which is part of the tragedy. It is so easy to forget an illness you cannot relate to when it's invisible. And by forget I don't mean really forget, but forgetting what it truly meant for him. No matter your compassion - a reality that isn't yours might slip your mind unless it is constantly brought to your mind. But with a lack of scars it isn't.
Focusing on the scars as much as we do also seems to drag the focus away from one aspect of lycanthropy that is canon - him being weary, exhausted, drained of energy. He's constantly pale, pallid, looks as if he hasn't eaten enough, he sleeps through the train ride to Hogwarts in PoA despite the Sneakoscope going off, the trolley witch, Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle visiting, Ron knocking things over. Don't get me wrong, it's possible to show them both hand in hand - scars and exhaustion - (and I've seen it done well), but more often than not his scars/physical wounds take over the main focus. Suddenly the focus shifts to something that is cooler, more sexy instead of showing how unsexy a chronic illness feels. What should be a reminder of his suffering is used to glamorize his condition, hung as a medal of bravery around his neck, is at worst misused to serve for some sexy scar tending while other aspects of his lycanthropy are tossed out of the window. Because tiredness, exhaustion, queasiness, soreness, pain, patience running low and nerves stretched thin because of all that and feeling like a burden to those around you all the while pretending to be fine for fear of actually being a burden just aren't sexy. So... just no.
Sympathy is all good and well, but don't use his scars as an excuse to turn his condition into something cool.
#I hope that makes some sense I'm honestly struggling to string my thoughts together#but I needed to put this out here#I'm not as anti as this sounds - I read fics featuring scarred Remus and I've seen great fan art showing scarred Remus#but it's everywhere#remus lupin#canon remus lupin#remus lupin meta#hp meta
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Harryâs life at the Dursley makes me extra side when I remember he was a baby when he came to them. It makes me wonder when did he start sleeping in the cupboard?
And then I spiral and think about Harry calling Petunia mom when he is three years old. How did she raise him until he became a kid? And I think about him doing art during Mother and Fatherâs Day for his uncle and his aunt and them throwing it in the bin. Did he try to listen Petunia read a story to Dudley? Did he ever learn how to swim with school and he just never learnt?
And it makes me so, so sad.
It is. Everything about Harry's childhood breaks my heart. I already talked about it here and here.
We actually have a very depressing answer about the swimming lessons bit from GoF:
He wasnât a very good swimmer; heâd never had much practice. Dudley had had lessons in his youth, but Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon, no doubt hoping that Harry would drown one day, hadnât bothered to give him any.
Which I take to mean he had maybe, like, two or three lessons for swimming at school and that's it.
As for the other stuff, I don't remember direct answers so you're going to hear my headcanons:
1. I think Harry never called Petunia "mom". When he was a baby he still could remember his mother and as he grew up he got used to calling her "Aunt Petunia" so he never called her mom except for maybe one time on accident when he was 3 or 4 which he was screamed at for: "I'm not you're mother, Freak!" and probably also slapped for.
2. I think when he was very very young, like, younger than 2-3 Petunia did put more effort in keeping him alive immediately after her sister's death and with Dumbledore's letter/threat fresh in her mind. But slowly she saw nothing happened and no one came when she treated Harry badly, so it emboldened the Duesleys.
I also think Harry started showing magic at a very young age, like 4-5, and when he did, Petunia and Vernon moved him to the cupboard and their treatment of him worsened even more.
After all, Petunia remembers her childhood with Lily who could do magic, she would recognize it for what it is â and she and Vernone are terrified of it. That's why the moment Harry showed signs of magic I believe they moved him to the cupboard to keep him away from Dudley.
3. The idea you brought up about little Harry making a family drawing of him with the Dursleys and Petunia scrunching her nose before throwing it in the bin in front of Harry's face.... shit, that's so sad and I'm sure it happened. I just imagine baby Harry's face, all proud of his drawing and not fully understanding the Dursleys yet with his cute nose and big green eyes and he would be so disappointed. I don't think he'd cry though. I think by that point he learned Vernon and Petunia don't like him crying.
4. I think the next year he drew himself with how he imagines his parents to be and he hides it from the Dursleys because Harry's a fast learner. I'm sure he spent nights dreaming about who his parents were from the very little information he got out of Petunia.
5. I can definitely see a young Harry crouching near Dudley's bedroom door as Petunia tells him a story. And then when she's done, he'd run away quickly so he won't be caught.
6. As a bit of a continuation of sneaking around to listen to bedtime stories, I think watching television at the Dursleys was similar. We know from canon Harry did use the time the Dursleys were away to watch television or play on Dudley's computer:
âYou could just leave me here,â Harry put in hopefully (heâd be able to watch what he wanted on television for a change and maybe even have a go on Dudleyâs computer) .
(PS)
Though I don't think the Dursleys allowed him to do it, he just got good at sneaking around when they're not there. I'm saying that since Harry mentions Mrs. Figg lets him watch television:
She let Harry watch television and gave him a bit of chocolate cake that tasted as though sheâd had it for several years.
(PS)
So it seems he wasn't usually allowed to watch television or play on Dudley's computer. I think the way Harry watches television when the Dursleys are home is by standing at the doorway and watching without them noticing (that's why he can't pick what to watch). I mean, we kinda see him doing it in OotP when he lays beneath the window to listen to the news on their television without them knowing.
Yeah, Harry's childhood was so depressing and I think the books actually portray him and how his childhood affected him well considering the books were limited in what they were allowed to show. I think the signs of trauma and abuse are clear if you look for them, even if they're not all called out in an obvious manner.
Writing this post just made me super sad now for Harry. My boy deserved so much better.
#harry potter#hp#hp meta#asks#anonymous#hollowedheadcanon#hollowedtheory#harry potter meta#harry james potter#my best boy hjp#tw: child abuse#hp headcanon
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I have a lot of feelings about this scene. Because from Harry's POV at this point obviously Snape is the mean bully who's always picked on him for no reason and it's gratifying to see Sirius standing up to him and putting him in his place. And at this point in the story that's kind of what we as readers see too. BUT with the additional knowledge we gain about Snape throughout the rest of the story this hits so different.
Think about Snape, who spent years being tormented and humiliated by Sirius and who has carefully rebuilt himself from that, but who still has all the open wounds and trauma from it lurking just beneath the surface. Think about how he's so used to Sirius hurting and humiliating him that the second Sirius stands it's a reflex to grab his wand. And he's not just holding it. He's balled his fist around it - an obvious sign of stress from someone who usually masks it so well - because this isn't just another duel. This isn't even like facing Voldemort.
No matter that Snape is much older and more capable and more powerful now. When it's Sirius suddenly Snape is 15 again and all those memories and feelings of powerlessness and humiliation come rushing back.
#Snape#Severus Snape#Harry Potter#hp reread#harry potter and the order of the phoenix#meta#Harry Potter meta#Snape meta#my meta#my post
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[Introduction]
While many articles have been written about Harry Potter and the school board genre or its relationship to fantasy, very few people have looked into the influence of the Gothic in Harry Potter (or in JKR's works in general). Part of it I think is due to the depreciation of Harry Potter by the cultural bourgeoisie, who only regard it as mere children's books that don't hold any actual literary value and that aren't worth to be studied seriously. Yet many tropes, storylines and plot devices used by JKR draw inspiration from the Gothic genre, bringing to it a modern twist by both adverting and subverting Gothic clichés. This inspiration is apparent in JKR's focus on broken families stuck into a cycle of poverty and violence involving incest and alcoholism or in the settings of many of the most iconic scenes of her book (to me the situation of Merope Gaunt, the way she's treated by her male relatives and the description of her house clearly allude to that of Catherine Linton at Wuthering Heights). In another (badly written) post, I tried to argue that one example of such a subversion in JKR's works was her use of the Gypsy theme -- Romani people as the embodiement of marginality, social and sexual danger as well as oriental mysticism --, a trope of Gothic literature most notably used by Emily Brontë in Wuthering Heights and Victor Hugo in the Hunchback of Notre-Dame, and that's been studied by Ken Lee in his article on Gypsylorism. But while JKR never once mentions Romani people in the Harry Potter series (an omission that is very interesting in itself; she's leaving out of her series the ethnic group that's been associated the most with witchcraft in folk tales for centuries, even though she's drawing inspiration from European folklore), she does mention them a bit in The Casual Vacancy and a lot in Cormoran Strike. However, as opposed to Wuthering Heights and HoND, Romani people aren't actually associated with paganism in JKR's books (they would have if she had been racist); their mention serves a Gothic aesthetic purpose as the non-Romani pov character starts thinking about Gypsy witchcraft and wandering, but that romanticising is quickly destroyed once the narrative brings up the actual reality of what it means to be Romani(-adjacent) in the UK: poverty and social exclusion. (In my opinion, this is a subtle commentary on how rich people idealize wanderness and poverty despite their being trauma-inducing experiences for the people who experience them.)
In my opinion, another influence of the Gothic is also the character dynamic she builds around Harry and Voldemort. In three different ways, the Harry/Voldemort dynamic parallels that of Dracula and Mina Harker in Bram Stoker's Dracula: first, the in-narrative construction of that dynamic; second, the way that character dynamic is used as a plot device by both Stoker and JKR in their respective works; third, the significance/symbolism of that character dynamic.
1. The narrative build up
In both Dracula and HP, the psychic bond that unites Mina/Harry and Dracula/Voldemort is created in spite of Dracula and Voldemort. In Dracula, that bond is an inevitable consequence/side effect of the repeated blood sucking Dracula does on Mina. In HP, that bond is created despite the knowledge of Voldemort and as a consequence of Voldemort's murder attempt.
In both stories, that bond was created/reinforced by blood mixing. In Dracula, blood mixing allows Dracula to link his mind directly with Mina's. In HP, that bond becomes much stronger after the graveyard scene, when Voldemort also uses Harry's blood to regain life. In both cases, we have blood magic and DNA mixing involved, resulting in an identity crisis on the part of Harry/Mina (their sense of self is eroded after the distinction between their body and that of Dracula/Voldemort got blurred and as the emotions/thoughts of the other start influencing theirs).
Dracula forms a psychic bond with Mina Harker as a step towards mind control. He wants to read, manipulate and control her mind and her thoughts, and in particular, he wants to use it to spy on his enemies (Jonathan and Van Helsing). However, he is forced to block the link when he realizes that, if he can spy on the heroes through Mina, Mina can spy on him as well by being put into a hypnotic trance that allows her to sense Dracula and his surroundings and can feel how far away or how close he is to them. This is what eventually leads the heroes to Dracula and allows them to catch him.
In Harry Potter as well, Dumbledore fears that psychic link would be used by Voldemort to spy on the Order of the Phoenix through Harry. This is why Dumbledore ignores and isolates Harry for an entire year and this is also what prompted Dumbledore to get Snape to teach Occlumency to Harry -- to block Voldemort's thoughts. But Voldemort doesn't actually use the link to spy. afaik he only uses it twice: once to deceive Harry and get him to come to the Ministry of Magic, and once at the very end of OotP when he briefly takes control of Harry's body. But Harry (just like Mina) realizes he can use that link to his own advantage and spy back on Voldemort (he repeatedly does so in DH): just like Mina, Harry is able to feel what he feels, to hear his thoughts and to sense how far or how close he is.
So we have a similar process following the same steps: evil blood magic on the part of an unwilling villain first, blurring of identity second. In both stories, the psychic link serves as a war strategy playing out over a deep identity crisis. The difference is that this process spans 4 books and 13 years in Harry Potter, with many more smaller steps in between, but overall it's still the same structure.
2. The Harry/Voldemort (Mina/Dracula) dynamic as a plot device
Because everyone uses the psychic link to spy on the other, it becomes a power play for the two characters involved, symbolically representing the struggle between life and death (love and hatred). But it also serves a narrative purpose: both stories are written from the perspective of the heroes. By introducing the psychic link as a plot device, the reader can get some insight into the pov of the villain of the series. The psychic link then becomes a way to drive the action: after each discovery, the character (be it Mina, Harry, Dracula or Voldemort) takes action. They plan a fight/battle, they track each other or they fly from each other. With the psychic link, the writer (Stoker/Rowling) is able to write very cool descriptive scenes from a totally different perspective, taking place in a totally different setting we don't normally see otherwise (think of the description of the Riddle House at the beginning of GoF -- an apparition that is justified in-narrative by its being shown to Harry in a dream). In both Dracula and HP, the psychic link also allows the writer to write dialogues that have more to do with the mystery genre than the fantasy genre (what's the villain doing? are we sure that information is legit? who is he talking to?) Finally, and even if we have to wait a few chapters for it, it leads to the introduction of battle scenes.
So both Dracula and HP use the psychic link as a plot device in a similar way: 1. it drives the action by justifying the writing of descriptive scenes, action scenes and dialogues, 2. it makes the story even more compelling for the reader who gets to hear the exclusive thoughts of the villain in a setting we are not used to (the villain's lair!) so those scenes feel special and cool, 3. it allows the writer to diverisfy the genre of their book by introducing new elements taken from the mystery genre.
3. The symbolic of that relationship
Voldemort, just like Dracula, is an undead being, a living dead. While Voldemort himself isn't a zombie (an "inferi"), a ghost or a vampire, he does surround himself with them and his physical description is very much akin to that of the undead. Two of his most significant features are his paleness (also a recurrent adjective to describe ghosts) and his long, spidery fingers, which together can be used to describe both Voldemort and Nosferatu:
(book!voldemort literally looks like this bad guy over there ^ but without a nose and with red eyes -- and this is why he haunts my sleep sometimes!! that character design fucks)
Symbolically as well, Voldemort is an undead being, a living dead, as it says in his very name ("fleeing death", "flight from/of death"). In his backstory as well, Voldemort became twice a living dead. First, by spiritually killing himself and rendering his soul to the dark arts in pursuit of immortality (in much the same way vampires render their soul to the devil). Second, by falling victim to his own Avada Kedavra spell in Godric's Hollow. (Harry is an example of how one survives the Avada Kedavra; I wouldn't say Voldemort survived it considering all the (physical, if not spiritual) remnants of his past humanity were completely destroyed by it.)
More specifically, Voldemort is a vampire: in his very first apparition in the series, he is seen drinking the lifeblood of a living creature (a unicorn). All throughout the series, Voldemort is the undead that needs to feast on others to survive, by exploiting his followers (in the years following Godric's Hollow, he only survives by drawing on the life force of Quirrell and by living as a parasite with Pettigrew), by living on the terror he inspires to other people, and by turning other living beings (Nagini and Harry) into horcruxes (the same way a vampire would turn the human he drinks the blood of into another vampire). Of course, the number 1 inspo for Voldemort is the boogeyman: everyone in the wizarding world is scared to say his name in case he might literally materialize out of thin air. But he is not described (narratively, physically) as any boogeyman, he is specifically the vampire.
Just as Voldemort is Dracula, Harry is Mina Harker: a human being who represents life. Both Harry and Mina carry a part of Voldemort/Dracula's inside of them, and both of them are scared of eventually becoming like them. Both Harry and Mina survived their confrontations with Voldemort/Dracula thanks to the help of their friends (love and friendship trumping death). Both of them are also common human beings who have been involuntarily turned into something so much more unique by the very assault they survived. The way they responded to it (opposing hatred with love and bravery) turned them into something so much more important than mere human beings: they became symbols inspiring strength to others around them. And all throughout the story, both Mina and Harry retain that common-ness, it is repeatedly stated by both Stoker and JKR, in-narrative, that the only thing that sets them apart from others is Mina/Harry's ability to feel empathy and to draw strength from the love of others.
In the novel, Mina openly feels pity for Dracula - not for the monster that he is but for his soul, explicitly questioning whether it might want to find peace. In the last two books of the HP series, Harry also takes on a similar stance with regards to Voldemort. Dumbledore's last teaching was that Voldemort was someone to be pitied (don't feel pity for the dead but for those who live without love), and even though pity doesn't excuse evil, it gives us the moral ground to be better people and create a better world. This was also Dumbledore's most important teaching, the one Harry only fully understands by the end of Deathly Hallows, when he confronts Voldemort and says the only thing that sets him apart from others and that makes him stronger than Voldemort is the love he feels (only understanding this after spending the entire book trying to figure out why hadn't Dumbledore left a strong weapon, like the elder wand, for him in his will).
So in both their moral complexity wrt to the villain and in the ideals they represent, Harry and Mina are very similar. I would finally add that both of them represent vulnerable groups of people (children and women) who are victims of male/patriarchal violence: Harry (a 14yo boy) is abducted and tortured by Voldemort (an adult male) in Goblet of Fire, while Mina is metaphorically raped by Dracula. It's a bit tangential but I think it's another interesting parallel between these two; in all of her books, JKRowling often associates the harm men do to women to the harm fathers(/male authority figures) do to children and the way Voldemort repeatedly tortured, abducted and tried to kill Harry from age 0 to age 17 could also be one of the ways she builds on that social commentary.
[Conclusion]
=> So narratively, I would say JKR drew inspiration from Dracula when designing the Harry/Voldemort bond. In Dracula and HP, that link is established in pretty much the same way: through blood magic, DNA mixing and resort to the dark arts. It is repeatedly reinforced throughout the story following the encounters of Mina/Harry and Dracula/Voldemort, and it serves as a war strategy between the two of them as everyone involved realizes they can use it to spy on the other, leading to the ultimate demise of the villain. When it comes to character growth, the psychic link also works in the same way: it leads to emotional/mental/psychological distress for Harry/Mina who is scared to become evil too. Structurally as well, JKR used a plot device identical to that developed by Stoker in Dracula to create the Harry/Voldemort dynamic. The psychic link introduces a POV-shift in a book series that's otherwise almost exclusively written from the good guy's pov, drives the action by leading to descriptive/action scenes and dialogues, and makes the story more entertaining for the reader. Thematically, I would also say JKR drew inspiration from Dracula when creating Voldemort and Harry as characters. In the books, Voldemort represents a vampiric living dead boogeyman who rendered his soul in search of immortality (just like Dracula), while Harry represents the hidden force of life and love that lies inside the most common of people (like Mina).
#i accidentally wrote it as a dissertation i didn't even do it on purpose my brain has just been permanently rewired by school sadly#jkrowling#rowlingblr#hp meta#harry potter#gothic
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there's something i find particularly annoying in this fandom and it's the way purebloods are written as highly sophisticated extremely rich and straight up a rip off of regency period novels
i understand the choice of this specific portrayal, i can see it as an approximation to historical drama, where the social restrictions are compelling and are relevant to the story, and a good writer can make any concept believable and good
HOWEVER as much as the worldbuilding on wizarding costumes (and a lot of other things) is extremely inconsistent and gets progressively worse towards the later three books, the implications that i see don't point towards this version of a sophisticated performatic elite who interacts only with itself
while i tend to see the blood status in the harry potter universe as a distinction of class and not at all a distinction of race, i don't think the difference is, in practice, as marked as it is in real world contexts, mostly because of how numerically small and insulated the wizarding community is
this post is part of my personal vendetta against purebloods as charming aristocrats & what appears to be the necessity of writing each and all of them as so very well spoken and politically savvy and never-caught-dead-speaking-to-a-half-blood
for once, the sacred twenty-eight is extra canon information and is disputed IN UNIVERSE, because it was anonymously published and received backlash for the inclusion (weasley, ollivander) and exclusion (crabbe, goyle, potter) of certain names
the malfoys are the only extremely rich family we see in canon. extra canon information tells us they made money before the statute of secrecy by trading with muggles
compare that to the potters who are also very rich (there's no scale to tell us who is the richer family), but made most of their money from the invention of sleakezy in the 20th century
the blacks are also implied to be wealthy: sirius manages to live off his inheritance after buying harry an expensive broom, and he says his grandfather likely paid for an order of merlin
there's a lot to be said about the blacks (e.g. they should have at least a couple more properties other than grimmauld place), but the big picture and the similarity with the gaunts (not about the incest, stop fixating on that) suggest they were a family in decadence by the time sirius was growing up
i believe that the implication is that neither of them had a proper job, which creates a similarity with gentry, but gentry lived off rentals and while it is possible they had a country state i don't think grimmauld place was making a lot of money
lucius malfoy also didn't work and spent a portion of his time being a school counselor (and obviously not being paid for it, as it was a way to exercise his political power over the main learning institution in his community)
it's also extra canon that the nott family had equal footing with the malfoys, so we can assume that crabbe, goyle, parkinson and bulstrode were slightly beneath them, either in social standing or money, despite the later two being part of the sacred twenty-eight (or it could appear to be so because pansy and milicent are girls)
the weasleys are obviously the main example of a poor sacred twenty-eight family, as were the gaunts
the crouch family was most like rich (they could afford a house elf), but it's likely that most of that money came from mr. crouch having a high level ministry job. his family and connections were probably an advantage to getting the job, but it's possible he wouldn't be able to maintain the lifestyle without work
longbottom, prewett and macmillan are families that appear to be very traditional, but not remarkably wealthy
other working members of the sacred twenty-eight are: horace slughorn (school teacher, but it can be argued that teaching hogwarts is a prestigious position), garrick ollivander (wand maker and shop owner, but, again, the only wand maker, which holds a certain prestige in itself), mr. burke (shop owner), arthur weasley (ministry employee), frank longbottom and kingsley shacklebolt (both aurors). amycus and alecto carrow are also temporary hogwarts teachers
the blacks married out of the sacred twenty-eight many times (max, gamp, crabbe, potter)
all of these people and every single muggleborn goes to the same school, buys magical supplies at the same place, drinks from the same pubs, etc. that alone should serve as evidence that there aren't many exclusive pureblood hangouts around
the only place that seems to attract the malfoys (arguably the richest and most important pureblood family in the 90s) and not most other people, is the knockturn alley, which is hardly a high brow sophisticated spot
except for malfoy and flint, no slytherin quidditch player during the 90s is in the sacred twenty-eight, so that's hardly a criterion for making it into the team
mulciber is not a sacred twenty-eight name, they could very well be half-bloods
tom riddle and severus snape were half-blood students who formed ties with purebloods while in school and held blood supremacist views, assimilation to a certain level was possible
#my other personal vendetta is that it all comes down to demographics but no one wants to hear me talking about that#trying to come up eith background slytherin characters from the 70s took me places i wouldn't go with a gun#and my very petty complain is can we please stop with the galas? when can we stop with the galas?#and assuming they care about culture like at all my rant on wizards and art is probably bigger than this one#hp meta#pureblood society#pureblood culture#the noble and most ancient house of black#the sacred twenty-eight#sacred 28#a worldbuilding nightmare#this is my most annoying post up to date and its a Hard contest#also just find reading about this stuff soooo boring but i find myself trying to justify not wanting to write like this
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Personally I think jily is supposed to be idealized (like how James and lily were idealized) to Harry. James gets knocked of his pedestal in swm and so does jily by Harry questioning if his father forced his mother into marriage. Later when talking to lupin and Sirius James and Jily get a slight defense and Harry is back to feeling alright but with the knowledge that things werenât perfect.
I personally donât read Jily as abusive (even though I read James as being abusive to snape at school, but I donât think that violent, physical behavior was extended to Lily) but I definitely donât read them as a âgoodâ couple (whatever that means). I think you can read it in many different ways given there is so little of them and I think an interpretation that their relationship wasnât the healthiest is perfectly plausible with the scant information weâre given.
Yeahhhh thatâs probably what JKR intended. James and Lily are the fridged parents who are dearly mourned and missed, and as a result, their flaws are completely smoothed over in everyoneâs memories. But in Snapeâs Worst Memory, Harry learns the hard lesson that things arenât always what they seem, and that nobody is perfect, not even his dead father. Hurrah.
My problem with this is that I think itâs very boring, LOL. Like it really is probably exactly what JKR intended (given her middle-of-the-road takes on every moral and political question that happens in these books), but man, it feels like such a cop out. James basically ruins Snapeâs life for no reason, and the conclusion weâre meant to draw from this is just, well, people are complicated! NO!!!! Bad answer!!! Like, Snape also did some terrible things, but at least he spends a ton of pages actively suffering/atoning for his sins. But James, on the other hand, is only somewhat implied to have changed maybe slightly a little bit somewhere off-page, and we just have to take #1 James Potter fanboy Sirius Black and serial understater Remus Lupin at their word. So if James was supposed to be âredeemedâ â or even just excused â wow, it really doesn't work for me. You can't go as dark as "protagonist questions if his father forced his mother into marriage" and then just brush it off like no big deal, Joanne! And itâs so frustrating, because all it would've taken to fix this would've been to show James being a good person instead of just telling the reader that he was one (proof: trust me?). Ugh.
So because of all that, I agree that from what weâre given, itâs quite difficult to read Jily as âgood.â We rarely see them interact, and when we do, Jamesâs behavior is wayyyy too similar to the trope of âterrible guy eventually gets the girl even though she seems to hate him with every fiber of her being because his persistence and not taking no for an answer is just toooo romantic to resist.â Which sucks, lol. It feels like JKR is basically being like, âeh, James was young and dumb, whateverâ and giving him a huge out for all the grief he caused Snape (and Lily, for that matter) â and she expects that the reader will agree that that is a legitimate excuse for his behavior, and by extension think that it's reasonable for Lily to forgive and eventually marry him. And man, I am just not sure if that is enough to convince me. (And evidently, I'm not alone, considering the âJily is abusiveâ meta post that likely sparked this ask!)
With that said, I agree that itâs a stretch to say that James was abusive (or even implied to be abusive) toward Lily. Itâs not a completely unfounded take â it could probably be written well in a fic, and even be canon compliant â but you would really have to extrapolate that dynamic from the little information weâre given (as you pointed out). And more importantly (at least, re: that meta), I don't think JKR intended that interpretation at all.
Personally, I just donât think it makes sense for the narrative for James and Lily to have been in an abusive relationship. And by the narrative, I mean Harry. If Jily is an abusive (or even just bad) relationship, that would have massive ramifications for the way Harry sees his parents. Ideally he would have to come to terms with that at some point â I donât think it makes sense for Jamesâs and Lilyâs relationship to have been this way and not have significantly affected Harry â but imo JKR clearly does not want to deal with that. Like you said, the point of SWM â aside from foreshadowing Lily and Snapeâs relationship â was to knock James off his pedestal and basically go, See, nobodyâs perfect. <3 And the story is not interested in engaging with Jamesâs behavior on a level any deeper than that lol. Which ok, I donât love it, but if weâre not going to spend time dealing with morally gray James, then it doesnât make sense for him to be even more morally gray (or rather, have him fall face first over the line into becoming a downright despicable person) by making him abusive toward Lily.
So that's my Doylist analysis: no way in hell did JKR intend Jily to be an abusive relationship, but she also didn't do a good enough job defending and/or redeeming James after SWM, so we're just left to speculate about how much he really changed. Still, I don't think "JKR is a bad writer" is a very satisfying answer. After all, the only reason that I'm engaging with this text in the first place is because I'm a fan of it, so I think it's also worth looking at it from a Watsonian perspective â or at least, to accept the events of the book as they're written and try to fill in the blanks. (Imo so much of the fun of fandom is trying to fill in those blanks in a satisfying way, to expand upon a character and try to reach a more interesting conclusion than the author did... And I would be remiss not to mention that, because it undoubtedly influences the way that I (and probably also you, if you're on this side of tumblr) engage with the text.)
So for me, as a Marauders era fan, Iâm faced with: ok, I donât really like the idea of these two characters together, but they canonically got together, and I think the story is better because they got together, and itâs better if they genuinely like each other, and it all had to happen somehow â so how can I explain it in a way that both makes sense with the story and is satisfying to me? And my answer to that is twofold.
First, I imagine that James was not always quite such an awful guy (as in, not always as showy, combative, and cruel as he was in SWM). After all, there is a glimmer of goodness in him when he chooses to save Snapeâs life during the Prank, revealing that somewhere deep down, he does in fact have a moral compass. And second, I think that he has to have changed. And I mean a genuine change â one that might not have resulted in completely different behavior (after all, he was still hexing Snape through his seventh year) â but regardless, something that makes him seriously reflect on his actions and reconsider his motivations. His behavior in SWM is just too inexcusable for him to get with Lily â partly because Lily is generally framed as a Very Good Person, and partly because regardless of how she is framed, James was still awful to her â without any self-reflection or growth. Of course, the problem then becomes explaining this in a satisfying way!
And I have some ideas in mind â but theyâre definitely more speculation than fact, and omg this post is long enough already. Luckily, I received another ask on this topic, so I will save my self-indulgent headcanons for that.
There is one last thing I want to mention, which is (part of) my reasoning for why James may not have been such a bully all the time and why I think he has the capacity for change, and it's been nagging at me ever since I read that meta post (which again, presumably started this whole thing). I think one thing that bothers a lot of people (including me!) about James is that it seems like he chooses to pick on Snape in SWM because of Lilyâs presence. He wants to show off to her, so he keeps looking over to the girls by the water, he ruffles his hair, he deepens his voice, and he tries to get her attention by targeting Snape. Following this logic, we can presume that James wouldnât have done any of this if Lily hadnât been there â and thatâs the part that got me thinking. I have to wonder if Lily was perhaps not the only person who James wanted to impress in that scene⊠in fact, I think itâs incredibly likely that James would have acted differently if the Marauders hadnât been there! (Harry has "the distinct impression that Sirius was the only one for whom James would have stopped showing off," and Sirius saying that he's bored is the inciting incident for James spotting Snape...!) Yes itâs going to be a James masculinity analysis because this is what happens every time I talk about these fucking characters apparently. So idk, stick around if youâre into that.
And of course, thank you for the ask!
#iâm sure this was more than you bargained for lol but i hope this answer was satisfactory. it took me a whole week to write đ#actually i guess it wasn't rly an answer because there wasn't rly a question. we're having high-minded debates in the literary salon lol#that said feel free to put more takes/opinions/questions/whatever in my ask box. i love to chitchat#asks#my posts#meta#hp meta#jily#james potter#lily evans#anti jily#pro jily#<- it really is both tho.#hp#hp fandom#hp marauders#marauders era#lily potter#harry potter#harry potter fandom#harry potter meta#the marauders era#marauders#marauders fandom#mwpp#wizarding world
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What are your thoughts on Sirius and Lilyâs friendship?
While many in the fandom focus more on her friendship with Remus, but aside from one quote from the movie, there's not much evidence to support that.
Lily's friendships are mostly unexplored, primarily for Doylist reasons, making her relationship with Snape a plot twist in the story. However, based on little we know about her character, she could have been an close friend to Sirius, not just the wife of his best friend. Lily was loving, intelligent, confident, and empatheticâqualities that would allow her to relate to people with tough personalities.. (some Snape fans argue that she was a bad friend to him, but itâs important to remember that it was not her, who at 15 already wanted and later willingly chose to join a terrorist organization).
I think Sirius was naturally drawn to people he viewed as equals, which could explain why he could become closer to Lily than to Remus or Peter over time.
And her letter to him was the last treasure Sirius has of Lily and James :(
Ummmmmm. I took an hour of my life and wrote this. Itâs like three pages of thought. But hey! I think I figured out how I see Lily . So thanks!
TL;DR: Sirius resented Lily until he didnât, and then they were very close until she died.
If you want to read my full take, itâs under the cut.
First of all, to answer your question, Iâd like to look at Lily overall.
I find Lily challenging as a character. There are so many ways to interpret her. Sheâs described as funny, smart, kind, brave, and beautiful. Sheâs also popular. And cheeky. Unlike James, there isnât an unflattering side of her shown to Harry. This is why Iâm not much of a Jily personâI wish I had what Jily people have regarding Lily. Itâs so much easier to interpret a character based on their flaws than their strengths, their failings and how they deal with them than their successes.
I say this because we have to make guesses to her flaws. She made excuses for Snape for years when he was clearly being a prejudiced asshole behind her back. Who knows what he was actually saying about her? But he was her best friend, and she was loyal to him. Then, when his prejudice becomes public, thatâs when she declares it the final straw.
My interpretation is that Lily wants to fit in. Unlike most people at school, she came in with a best friend. How cool! But it prevented her from getting close with anyone else. Maybe she has other friends, but I doubt they were very close (Snape would probably make sure of that). Lily is incredibly loyalâand if Snape says someone is bad news, I think sheâd trust him.
Anyway, Snape rejecting her publicly was the last straw. She knew it was coming, but she loved him and she has to believe that people are flawed and deserve a second chance. And a third and a fourth and so on. Until sheâs faced with arrogant toerag James Potter defending her in front of the whole school. Even this guy she canât stand is appalled at Snapeâs behavior.
Snape is embarrassing. He just is. Heâs desperate, and he thinks groveling and kissing her feet will make up for being chummy and racist with his Death Eater wannabe buddies.
What does this have to do with Sirius?
Well, all this time, sheâs spent years with these four boys who are clearly sneaking around after hours, will defend each other to the death, and wonât for a moment put up with anyone bullying their friends. Even pathetic little Peter is worth defending. Remus Lupin might even be a werewolf. But they donât careâhe belongs to them. Even when theyâre alone, Lily sees that they arenât two-faced, they arenât pretending to care about each other.
It would have been very easy for Sirius to talk shit behind Jamesâs back to stay in the good graces of his family/Slytherins. But he doesnât. He doesnât even talk to his brother.
I think Lily watches this over the years and wishes Snape were like Sirius. She wishes that just one time, Snape would defend her. When she finally tells Snape itâs over, I think she was desperately lonely in the aftermath. Sheâs popular, yes, but all the girls in her year have been friends for almost six years, and how could there be room for her? Lily is also incredibly proud. I donât think sheâd be asking to be friends with girls who tried to be her friend for ages but gave up every time she cheerfully told them, âThanks for inviting me to hang out in Hogsmeade this weekend, but Sev and I are going to [fill in activity]!â
Anyway, Lilyâs pride also keeps her from admitting to James she likes him. Maybe she doesnât even have a crush or feelings romantically, but sheâs incredibly aware of James. I think sheâs jealous of his bond with his friends. Lily has an undercurrent of anxiety that sheâll be rejectedâsheâs a social chameleon. She can charm professors, sheâs wicked smart, sheâs pretty, and sheâs funny and clever as hell. So hereâs this guy, James Potter, who seems to be no one other than himself. He doesnât have to pretend. An asshole, an arrogant prat, but undeniably honest.
James declares publicly that he likes her. This isâŠuhhâŠthe opposite of Snape. Obviously. But Lilyâs pride and embarrassment of the whole situation bruises her. Iâm sure she also didnât want people to think that she was dating Snapeâwould people think she was dating James to get back at Snape? Would they think she was desperate to be with a pureblood like James?
Meanwhile, Sirius is watching Lily Evans. Her friendship with Severus Snape has just exploded, and he watches her watching James. Sirius, who demonstrates canonically that he is very good at reading people, can see through Lilyâs pleasant façade and unflappable exterior. Maybe she has friends, but he can see that she isnât close with them. Sheâs a loner. Sheâs like him.
Hereâs where I think Sirius and Lily match upâtheyâre both fearful of rejection, theyâre extremely proud, and theyâre exceptionally careful about how they allow others to see them. I think Sirius is more easily offended than Lily, but sheâs also better at hiding when sheâs hurt. To regain power, Sirius will punish you while Lily will regain her power by pretending it didnât matter and your opinion doesnât matter.
As soon as Lily is sans Snape, she becomes a threat to Sirius. He knows itâs only a matter of time before she gets over her pride and gets close to James, so heâs very wary of her. Soon sheâll figure out that James makes you feel like the cleverest person in the room. Sheâll figure out that James will defend you until heâs dead. James loves his people too hard, and Sirius does not want to share him.
Well, once Lily and James become head boy and girl, keeping them apart is impossible. Sirius isnât outwardly cold to her because James isnât stupid, and heâd quickly know what Sirius was doing, but heâs not exactly welcoming either.
Lily and James become friends in seventh year. This is the first time James has had a friend outside of their groupâand there are things he talks to her about that he doesnât discuss with the others, not even Sirius. And Lily opens up. She even finds herself slipping out of her constant performance, and for the first time in her life, she can say whatever she wants. James loves when sheâs silly. Not funnyâeveryone loves a funnyâbut silly. And heâs silly with her. And all of the pretending is gone, and Lily can be exactly herself and honest and not try to mold herself into what James wants her to be.
This is not good news for Sirius who has always been the one that James relies on for emotional support. And Sirius resents Lily a little. For the rest of their time at school, heâs fairly certain sheâs just pretending.
Then school ends, and Dumbledore recruits them to the Order of the Phoenix. James and Lily are firmly together, and she just âgetsâ James. At least, thatâs what James says. Very naturally, she knows what James is thinking and she respects him, and Sirius is secretly infuriated that she reads people as well as he does. It becomes clearer and clearer that Lily really does love James.
I think Sirius wants James to be happyâif James isnât going to choose Sirius, then at least Lily makes him happy. And he forces himself to smile, cheers for them, champions their relationship. Except that Lily sees right through him, and she knows that if she doesnât get Sirius on her side, one well-placed comment about her might influence James.
But also, she loves James and doesnât want Sirius to fuck it up. There are a few ways they could become friends, but one way Iâve imagined is that Lily invites Sirius out for a drink. A good actor and loyal friend to James, he engages her in the sort of conversation he knows will interest herâthey have shared interests, and sheâs intelligent and creative like him. As long as they stay away from talking about James, heâs pleasant. Then, once theyâre a few drinks in, Lily tells him that she doesnât blame him for hating her. This stuns Sirius who thought he was being so clever. He insists sheâs making things up, but Lily tells him that she feels the same way about Siriusâthat sheâs scared heâs going to take James away.
This is the sort of vulnerability Sirius needs to see from her. He needs to know that Lily hasnât wonâthat sheâs just as afraid of Sirius as he is of her, that she hasnât tried to steal James from him. She just loves James for exactly the same reasons Sirius loves him. Lily promises that she will never keep Sirius away from James.
As time goes on, there are things that Lily can confess to Sirius that she canât tell anyone elseâand, eventually, Sirius starts to confide in her too. But itâs different than talking to James for both of them; theyâre so incredibly similar that they understand each other on a level that James just doesnât get.
I think youâre rightâI think post-Hogwarts, Sirius was closer to Lily than he was to Remus or Peter. The friendship was hard-won, but canon supports a tight Sirius&Lily bond with that letter he kept.
In the end, I really do think he lost both of his best friends when James and Lily were killedâone was his soul mate and the other was his best friend.
#sirius black#lily evans#james potter#hp meta#this is all my interpretation of canon#so itâs not prongsfoot or jilypad#though you could easily take it there if you wanted#snape critical
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Would Tfp!Op and Tfp!Soundwave sense something off about Sam the first because matrix nonsense and latter a telepath?
Yes and no. Sam Witwicky is the human version of an orange cat. No one has any idea what's up with that guy, and it's harder since it's dimensionsal travel. That a whole other level of fuckery that no one has documented before.
TFP!Optimus may get vibes, depending on how helpful the Matrix wants to be (which is either rare or too cryptic to comprehend). Meanwhile, Sam had too many bad experiences with the 'cons messing with his own things or his head, so he's rightfully paranoid with picking up tech that hasn't been thoroughly dissected by the 'bots and N.E.S.T.
He would absolutely do his damnest to stay far away from the Decepticons, especially since TFP doesn't have an official unit that's dedicated to working with and among the Autobots. Agent Fowler is only one man, and he's more of a liason between specific groups. So he wouldn't be around Soundwave long enough to justify the mech to delve into his head. Not unless Soundwave doesn't mind the guy to be braindead...
Sam has Weird Luck and a Talent for destroying his enemies' plans, so perhaps he becomes a living detector via astral projection (a blessing and a curse from his dimension's Primes) for Primal Artifacts.
(Cue another massive manhunt for Sam.)
#ask#crossover#transformers#transformer prime#tfp#bayverse#transformers bayverse#sam witwicky#optimus prime#optimus#soundwave#body modification#maccadam#my thoughts#sam cant get a break#hp fandom with legilimency meta influenced how i view Soundwave's telepathy
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