#Moxxie's mom

[cipher-club]

I wanna highlight how brave moxxie's mother was, I love how they let us believe that she up and left moxxie at crim's mercy in the middle of the sequence only to reveal that she didn't at the end...not but choice at least, what an amazing mother 🥲

[doodle-empress66]

The Queens who deserved soooo much better

[lordofdestructionm]

Crimson's projection

Why did Crimson immediately jump to the idea of Moxxie's wife being his "beard" (gay guy marrying a woman to cover up his sexuality)?

Is it because thats all his wife meant to him? And because Moxxie is just an extension of him (in his narcissistic mind) it must be the same situation?

Was there more going on than just Crimson obviously being a toxic piece of shit and fights about how to raise Moxxie properly?

Did she discover the truth about her "husband"?

Also Crimson knew about Moxxie and Chaz's relationship, because he in the past described it as a "sissy lifestyle". It wasn't a secret affair.

Why was it only after finding out Chaz tried to con him YEARS later that he mounted his jaw on the wall?

In fact Chaz, before his final moments, never shows any sign of fear around Crimson, he even acts bratty, despite the man being a mob boss with a temper. Why?

Because however long he and Moxxie were together, he clearly got used to an extra amount of tolerance as "Moxxie's annoying boyfriend", and saw Crimson as "Moxxie's grumpy dad"

A habit that hasn't changed despite their "breakup"

Shouldn't a homophobic guy like him have been furious about someone "turning his son gay" the second he found out? Why didn't he just kill Chaz as a warning to Moxxie to "cut that gay shit out" etc

Unless being such a narcissistic father Crimson, despite his comments, was willing to allow the two to date because he himself had a tall shark boyfriend?

[vivziepoparchives]

The Knolastname family portrait by LudoDoodles. Posted to twitter on March 11, 2023 and artstation on March 14, 2023.

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[stupidneko]

moxxie’s mama doodoo

[wolfscarr]

Crimson Knolastname: Greedy Loving Heart. Character Analysis.

So been thinking about this for a hot minute and I’m probably guessing that Moxxie’s dad isn’t going to get anything beyond just being shitty....because he’s shitty.

Now given my love for Mafia aesthetic and Helluva Boss(as much as there is left anyway), I figure I would see about adding something to Crimson as a character as it relates to both his relationships involving his wife and son, as well as giving the location of the Greed Ring some kind of purpose, so let’s get into this.

 So let’s start with the Greed Ring here. I think many overlook the fact of how certain Hellborn are shaped by where they grew up, or at least don’t take into account of certain things., I mean yeah some of it is obvious, such as with Millie being all tough and strong and that’s basically in our face with the fact of her being part of I.M.P, with Crimson....I feel like it’s not as obvious and people just jump to conclusions that he’s just an asshole because....he’s an asshole.

Now obviously yeah he’s an asshole, but folks think for a minute here. The Greed Ring is all about....well obvious Greed, so now Crimson grows up with this lifestyle of making money, getting things, all of this just further fueling his greed which corrupts him further and further.  Then he joins(or was raised in) this Mafia within the Ring, which he eventually takes over. So now his Greed is only further multiplied as not only is he rich from his own ventures, he now controls everything, he now has immense power within the Greed Ring and he has reach throughout Hell.

^ Credit to Chii(LittleMissChii on Twitter, Helluva Boss Animation Lead).

So at some point, Crimson and his wife meet(still waiting for an official name) and they hit it off, Crimson woos her with that smooth talking and charm of his, he introduces her to the lifestyle that he lives and soon enough they are married. With the addition of having a wife, now his Greedy heart is just further consumed, now he loves his wife....but at the same time it’s also more he’s greedy about it, like he doesn’t want her attention to be on another person. He wants to keep her attention as much as possible, he doesn’t want her to focus on anyone else but him.

Everything up to this point for Crimson is going pretty well, we of course don’t really have any info of his past granted, but it soon all goes downhill anyway. So then we finally get to both Crimson and his wife, having their son Moxxie.

Now at first Crimson seems fine with Moxxie, because now he has an heir to all the stuff he has built up. He can mold Moxxie into basically a miniature version of himself, to carry on what he had built and maintained. Now surface level, this isn’t a bad thing, it’s not like wanting Family to take over a business is anything new, even in real life this happens. The problem with Crimson however, his heart is basically saturated in Greed by this point, he wants to just keep everything close to him....EVERYTHING, he doesn’t want anyone to leave or make their own choices.

Which leads to Crimson’s wife, trying to steer their son away from the lifestyle that her husband is trying to impose(or at least let him make the choice later on, if he really wants). But even moreso than just that....Moxxie is taking away Crimson’s wife from him, her attention isn’t nearly as focused on him like it was before they had their son. So now this hits Crimson hard, not only is his son being taken away from him, but his wife is as well...a bit obviously unintentional by Moxxie as he’s just a kid. Thus the fighting starts between the parents and eventually well, he ends up killing his wife in order to keep his heir and thus the security of what he has built. No one is going to take away his wife’s attention away, if he can’t have her attention, then no one else can.

So now years later, we see that Crimson has raised Moxxie and inducts him into the Mafia Lifestyle. For a time Moxxie is just going along with it, we still see at this point Crimson isn’t looking to harm Moxxie, in fact he seems rather proud of him. But then of course....Moxxie ends up leaving his Family and obviously we all know what happens after, with Crimson being obviously pissed at his son for ditching everything.

Crimson is rightfully upset, because he put basically everything he had into Moxxie, to mold him as best as he could into his heir. But Moxxie is clearly not like his Father and Crimson isn’t doing this for Moxxie’s benefit, he’s doing all of this for his own selfish Greed. When his son completely ruins that.....well obviously we see later what happens in the episode.

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The long and short of it, is this folks. Crimson’s heart was corrupted heavily by Greed, I believe that Crimson did in fact love his Family. But he didn’t love them in a manner that wasn’t having something to do with Greed, first and foremost Greed took over any sort of love that he had for them. Which makes sense given where Crimson clearly grew up in, Greed affected him and had him spiral down a destructive path.

I’m not saying this excuses his actions or anything, I mainly went through this character analysis to give something to his character as far as depth goes. Because I have a feeling he’s not going to get any of that sort within the show itself, plus again I’m a bit of a sucker for Mafia aesthetic and I feel like his whole ‘character’ was just wasted and he came across as really dumb.

...Also give us an official name for Mrs. Knolastname already!

[nocturne-helluvaboss]

I like to believe that moxxies mom is still alive 😩 and was found by Luci. And she started off as his retainer to close siblings.

I like to believe she was a singer who never got to follow her dreams. When she was forced to marry crimson, she had to give it all up. Luci wanted to become a star but she was against at first.

So she stays close to her new home 🥹😄

[crystalofmoon19]

I really like to think that Vivzie was inspired by La Muerte's design to make Moxxie's mother.

Even Moxxie's mother is Latina!

I'm sure if the Book of Life universe was connected to the Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel universe. La Muerte's imp form would be very similar to Moxxie's mother!

[illiardbilliard]

"Now I don't hardly know her,

But I think I could love her..."

I like to imagine her name is Clover.

[verdita-toons]

Mamma...

[angelshizuka]

During my first viewing I genuinely thought the imp Moxxie drowned was his own mother (and based on a lot of reaction videos I've seen, roughly half of the viewers think so as well). I'm ngl... I was heavily dsiappointed, because that scene lost A LOT of impact for me once I realized that's not the case.

I now seriously wish they had made the decision to have Moxxie be forced to drown his own mother. I want Moxxie to have that kind of trauma (affectionately), but overcome it. Like, just because he physically did it, doesn't change the fact his father made him do it, not to mention he was a literal kid. It'makes his trauma so much more layered (and like someone else pointed out, it would mirror Blitz's trauma).

Idk, just... give me all the dead mother trauma!

[frannonfire]

Millie and Blitz don't know what happend to Moxxie's mother

[warm-lullabies]

Her 🌹

[lordofdestructionm]

[vivziepoparchives]

Sticker featuring Moxxie and his mother released as part of a 6 pack via Shark Robot May 16, 2024. Art by Azulbun.

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[stupidneko]

colored version!!