#Master Puti

[journeytothewestresearch]

Tree-Born Beings in JTTW?

Upon meeting the Monkey King, the Patriarch Subodhi asks him a number of questions, including his surname (xing, 姓). Monkey confuses this for an inquiry into his temperament or nature (xing, 性):

"I'm not speaking of your temperament," the Patriarch said. "I'm asking after the name of your parents." "I have no parents either," said the Monkey King. The Patriarch said, "If you have no parents, you must have been born from a tree" (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, pp. 114-115). 祖師道：「不是這個性。你父母原來姓甚麼？」 猴王道：「我也無父母。」 祖師道：「既無父母，想是樹上生的？」

The part in bold really interests me.

The possibility of something being born from a tree is the first thing that comes to Subodhi's mind. Remember that the Patriarch is an enlightened master with knowledge of a great many things. Therefore, within the novel's universe, this might point to a category of spirits born from the flowers and/or fruits of trees. Just imagine the possibilities for fanfiction!

This reminds me of Momotarō (桃太郎, "Peach Boy") from Japanese mythology. Like Monkey, he experiences a supernatural birth from a spherical object and later becomes a great hero who battles demons with the help of animal friends.

[the-monkey-ruler]

I'm in the chapter where Wukong admits to eating humans, so that's definitely canon from the novel?

I’ve talked about this and this before on some level but while he says that he has eaten people, it also says in a later chapter that he didn’t in order to perform a certain life-healing art.

You would find that a lot of people have talked about this before and funny enough I find a lot of agreement that Wukong was more just "talking up" to make himself seem more threatening due to how his powers work and thus he couldn't have eaten humans if his powers were to make sense.

Has Sun Wukong really eaten people?Look at what he said to the Jade Emperor with clairvoyance when he was just born

In the White Deer Arc, we see that Sanzang claims that only Wukong can use his primal breathe to heal as he has never eaten humans before like Wujing and Bajie have had.

It is also in Puti's teaching to Wukong that he even tells him that eating humans would ruin his cultivation and he needs to remain "pure" meaning that can't partake in 'bad' cultivation so to speak.

So while Wukong DID say he ate humans, I see a lot more people agree that he was just talking air to make a point since his powers prove that he couldn't have eaten humans else he would loose his immortality and healing abilities.

[real-sun-wukong-fan01]

I’m starting to think that Lmk Puti(is that is name? ) didn’t give Lmk Wukong the threat Book Puti did. Because like Mk and Tang like…knew his name.

And Book Puti didn’t want people to know he taught Wukong and I know Wukong wouldn’t write his name and location in there so…like what??? Please GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS!

OKOK so

yeah, it's true that puti didn't want wukong to say that HE was the one to teach him all of those powers and how to be immortal,

But since we're technically in the past, and the jttw book hasn't been written yet (because it's canon that in lmk there's the jttw book) puti probably thought that the reason why they knew his name was because they just heard of him, like wukong did. (Plus wukong was still there learning)

in the book wukong dosen't actually know where to look for immortality until a random guy says "yeah there's this guy (puti) who can teach ya"

Puti probably thought the same happened to mk and the rest

So in conclusion: puti probably thought they just heard of him, and went there to learn about immortality and everything like everyone there

I mean, he DOES teach. He only refused wukong at first because he was a monkey with no name and manners (but wukong is stubborn, so we all know how it goes)

[angstandhappiness]

LMAO what happened here? His face tho 😂

@loyaltykask This is legit what happen. Like bro for real

I’d have trust issues too

[ryin-silverfish]

I wanted to ask, there was a whole discussion about whether masters could have romantic relationships with their apprentices. Although I don't know if there is an immortal Master who has a relationship with their student, I wanted to ask if there has really been such a case? I don't want to assume anything. as I remember that puti avoided sexual stuff because he couldn't lose his essence so to speak and that SWK followed the same advice. However, I understand that an immortal Master is not the same as a normal Master. However, I also understand that Puti was a disciple of Buddha and that Buddhists do not have relationships or have this rule either (correct me if I am wrong). But again, I don't want to assume anything.

…Well, master-student romance is a very popular trope in Wuxia/Xianxia webnovels, especially danmei. Personally, it is not my cup of tea, but eh, Your Kink is not My Kink and That is Okay.

But if you are talking about master-disciple relationship in a strictly traditional sense? Yeah, no, it is much more explicitly paternal in nature, thus the saying "A teacher for a day is a father for a lifetime" (一日为师，终生为父). And by paternal, I mean in the Confucian sense, with a roughly similar level of deference owed to your senior.

From the outset, you can see that there is a major power imbalance and…well, unfortunate implications when it comes to master-disciple romance or sexual relationships, at least for people who take Confucian morality, as well as their vows of celibacy seriously.

You may see it in more marginal folk religions——for cults that didn't take vows of celibacy or disallow marriages, husbands could teach their wives, or wives their husbands (like Hu Yong'er and Wang Ze in 三遂平妖传, but Hu Yong'er is also like, a fox demoness reincarnated, so I'm not sure how applicable this is?), or esoteric branches of Daoism and Buddhism that allowed for sex and intimacy in cultivation (which I know little of, other than how those practices are often misunderstood, and will not attempt to explain).

I suppose Lv Dongbin and White Peony from JTTE could count as a dubious example, in that they slept with each other (Lv Dongbin is kinda a playboy in folklore) and White Peony was given a thing that could help her "transcend mortality" and she indeed becomes an immortal later, but even then, he did not take her in as a disciple. It's more…Daoist friends with benefits.

Still, traditionally, such relationship was very much not mainstream, and likely taboo.

[journeytothewestresearch]

Wait, Sun Wukong is a Buddhist monk, Jade Emperor is from Taoist myth then which myth Patriarch Subodhi came from?? Is he from Taoist myth?

Subodhi is based on Subhuti, one of the ten main disciples of the Buddha. Despite Subodhi's image as a Taoist immortal in popular culture, JTTW actually suggests that he is a Buddhist deity. See section 2.3 of my previous article.

[the-monkey-ruler]

One Hundred Thousand Bad Jokes (2012) 十万个冷笑话

Director: Lu Hengyu / Li Shujie Screenwriter: Han Wu Starring: Baomu Zhongyang / Shan Xin / Mengmeng / Huang Zhenji Genre: Comedy / Animation / Short Film Official website: 10w.u17.com Country/Region of Production: Mainland China Language: Mandarin Chinese Date: 2012-07-11 (Mainland China) Number of seasons: 2 Number of episodes: 27 Single episode length: 7 minutes Also known as: 十萬個冷笑話 IMDb: tt3241140 Type: Crossover

Summary:

"One Hundred Thousand Bad Jokes" is a Chinese comic serialized in YouYaoQi Original Comics DreamWorks. It was remade into an animation with the efforts of the original author Han Wu and YouYaoQi Original Comics DreamWorks. Domestic well-known voice actors Shan Xin and Bao Mu Zhongyang also participated in the dubbing of the animation.

It consists of a series of short stories. The short stories seem to have nothing to do with each other, but the relationship is very subtle. The language is also very in line with the needs of netizens. It is known as the "Chinese version of Rihe". The chapters that have been serialized include Calabash Brothers, Doomsday, Nezha, Kingdom of Light, and a series of miscellaneous chapters: Ghost, Yaki, Kebi, etc.

The first episode "Nezha Chapter 1" is the first half of the Nezha chapter, mainly telling the funny story of Nezha's birth.

The second episode "Pinocchio Chapter" tells the shameless love story of Pinocchio and Snow White.

The third episode "Nezha Chapter 2" tells the past and present life of Nezha mentioned in the comics and the romantic encounter at the seaside.

Source: https://movie.douban.com/subject/11503638/

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2gYKBmQ24&ab_channel=HappyPotatoTranslations

[acoraxia]

You know the whole situation between Wukong, azure, and the war against heaven becomes more tragic when you consider Master Puti's place in wukong's life. He was the only other known positive older figure in wukong's life before the brotherhood and he kicked wukong out and told him was "bond for evil" once he left. Then you have Azure, who was definitely the big brother to Wukong, tell him that his idea to overthrow heaven is good and he would be doing a lot of good for a lot of people. Wukong is going to cling that idea. the Idea that he was doing something good because he was told that he was going to be bad. Azure was unintentionally manipulating him without even knowing.

“Why do you see Wukong as a young adult in the show at the start of the brotherhood?” Because Wukong is so easily influenced by the older figures around him it’s insane.

Azure Lion was a celestial warrior for years, mind you, and long enough for him to grow tired of the way Heaven was treating the mortal realm alongside the rest of his brotherhood. He was an older and wiser figure in Wukong’s eyes. Wukong who just got kicked out of a temple because he was doomed for being evil and told he couldn’t change that.

As for Azure’s part in not knowing—you can’t accidentally manipulate someone. It’s kind of hard to go, “Oh, no, I’ve manipulated my friend into thinking exactly what I want him to think,” because it’s a conscious decision to include these ideals into Wukong’s head and then smile at him and encourage him to go along with it.

Older brothers can be wonderful but Azure, for all that he loved his little brother, could only focus on the fact he had a pawn in a game of chess that he could turn into a king.

And it ended up going so poorly.

[real-sun-wukong-fan01]

Guys, master puti and wukong but it's just this old man taking care of a chaotic kid

[angstandhappiness]

LMAO, CANON

Sun wukong: I learned some very valuable lessons from this

Subudhi: I’m guessing they are all horrible distortions on the lessons you actually should’ve taken away.

Sun wukong, nodding confidently: Death isn’t real, and I’m basically God.

[rarepears]

You know the other way you can crossover SVSS with Journey to the West? Before being sealed under a mountain, Sun Wukong was a Daoist practitioner, which is what xianxia cultivation is strongly based off.

Therefore; Sun Wukong, freshly banished from Master Puti's side and forbidden for ever telling one he had been a student, spitefully declares that he'll be a much better teacher than Puti ever was. Shen Jiu just happens to be in the right place at the right time, and he's going to be the best cultivator whether he likes it or not.

It may not fit the themes of the spiritual journey quite as cleanly as Shen Jiu being the representation of trauma, but making it earlier means Shen Jiu gets to be part of all the best times of Sun Wukong's story. You know, the parts where he terrifies all the demon kings into alliances, ruling a monkey empire and causes so much trouble waging a single-man war with the gods for which they never fully mentally recover the trauma of. The fun parts.

Bonus: as Sun Wukong's apprentice, Shen Jiu gets to learn the shapeshifting, dopplegangerism, and gets to eat immortal peaches.

And then Shen Jiu eats some other immortal peaches  (‿!‿) 

He eats a lot of immortal peaches ◑.◑

[More in #shen jiu becomes Sun Wukong's apprentice instead AU] [See also: #SVSSS x Journey To the West AU]

[sketching-shark]

Imagine tripitaka and heaven's reaction to knowing that wukong not only had a master Subodhi whom he respected and listened to but was also a relatively tame and disciplined student.

OUGH HEY ANON AU STORY WHEN???

But in all seriousness this is a scenario that I would LOVE to see explored! I know @antidotefortheawkward did make a lovely little comic kind of about this of a post-Xiyouji Sun Wukong learning that Patriarch Subodhi is specifically mentioned as his shifu in Wu Cheng'en's classic and traveling to the immortal's cave in a slight panic to explain that he never told anyone about this & that he'd confiscate every copy of Xiyouji he could find, only for Puti Zushi (another name for Patriarch Subodhi) to tell SWK that he himself let that information out into the world as a way to signal he wanted to renew ties with his tudi ;_;

But yeah yeah yeah this presents a really neat scenario to explore! I feel like it would be particularly interesting not just in terms of making it even more obvious how the Monkey King is far more than the undisciplined monster many paint him as, but I think it could offer a really interesting point of conflict and growth for Tang Sanzang if/when he sees & understands how much more respectful SWK was under Puti Zushi from day 1 than under him and thinks about why that would be, along with all the doubts about his own character that could be stirred from Tang Sanzang realizing that he's the shifu that was more or less forced on the Monkey King whereas Patriarch Subodhi was the shifu that SWK spent years seeking out. Like I know numerous recent adaptations of JTTW include a scene of Tang Sanzang apologizing to SWK, but can you imagine one that maybe comes after the monk getting an arc that included meeting & talking to the immortal and asking him about how to be a good teacher??? And maybe also Patriarch Subodhi expressing his own regret about forcing SWK to leave forever & condemning him as an inevitable evildoer at the first sign of the monkey showing off & taking too much pride in his abilities??? AUGH there's so much that could be done with all this!!!

[winterpower98]

Ok i know this is not canon, at ALL but hear me out.

what if master puti actually acted like a father figure to sun wukong? He was his master but what if he acted like a father to each student.

When wukong first arrived, master puti didn't even want anything to do with this demon monkey, but after a lot of nights with the monkey screeching, he got him in. he boy was dirty and wet, he got lucky he didn't turn out sick.

master puti gave him a wash, food and clothes, like if he was a feral kitten! And wukong was really happy about it because he not only got food and warmth, but he'll soon get immortality!

But then master puti asked for his name and he.. didn't have one. Sure, a lot of his monkeys called him things such as monkey king! But he didn't have a name. So Sun Wukong was it, that was his name.

and then everything just went better and better. He was younger than everyone but he was a great learner! So much that puti gave him even more things! Language.. writing.. speaking more fluently..more techniques..it was all so fun! And he always got to hang out with master puti. He always said wukong reminded him of a kitten.

He warmed up to everyone thanks to his charm! He really just liked having friends, until he showed his friends his new tricks and got kicked out. He still doesn't understand why? just because it was a secret? That's dumb.

But he followed master puti's orders and went away. Sometimes he still misses him.

- stone monkey headcanon anon

You just want to give this poor monkey more trauma

He went from not having a dad, to having a father figure and letting him go

[loyaltykask]

Chapter 2

I just..... love that Puti was "I can't teach this to a non-human" and Wukong’s comback was "I'm the closet thing to human you going to get" 

Puti "You're missing some jaw bones" 

Wukong's comback being "Yeah but I have tail bones so that balances it out" 

Puti DEADASS goes "Shit, you right, can't argue with that, here are 72 transformations" THAT'S BAR GINNING

Truely Wukong a master of lawyering. Even in school they be making fun of him

I like to think that maybe Puti saw Wukong's potential being wasted in his Cave, considering that his Elder Brother's only laughed at him, and for his own good he send Wukong away. Becuase he was actaully worried of Wukong getting hurt or taken advantage of. That kind of "I’m going to threaten you to you ever come back" kind of tough love.

He may have been emotionally stunt to all hell and secretive but I think he really cared.

Slaps Wukong: you can fit so many daddy issues into this monkey 

Kudos to the Demon King of Chaos for trying to "fight fair" as if he wasn't about to get recked.

This was a great chapter! Love Wukong’s homecoming but wanted to highlight my fav parts!

@journeythroughjourneytothewest

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[ryin-silverfish]

I wanted to ask, has there ever been an immortal master (like Yuding, Taiyi or puti) had children or a wife? According to monkey-ruler, there is no rule that prevents them from having children or relationships since they are not gods, but I wanted to express your opinion. In most cases it is easier to interpret that they are dedicated to their teaching.

I feel like Sun Wukong is the only case of a master having children. but I feel like people don't consider it as canon so to speak.

This is less a direct answer to your question, and more of an exploration of Chan and Jie Sect marriage policies.

In one of my previous answers, I have mentioned that some scholars thought the Chan-Jie conflict was mirroring the historical conflict between Zhengyi and Quanzhen Daoists during the Ming dynasty.

And one of the evidence cited is quite a few Chan Sect members, like Jiang Ziya and Tuxingsun, are allowed to marry, which is true for Zhengyi Daoists but not Quanzhen Daoists, therefore the Jie Sect must be an expy of Quanzhen.

However, this doesn't really hold up to scruntiny, because Hong Jin, Princess Longji's husband, is from the Jie Sect, yet they still get married after his defeat.

None of these people are immortal masters, though. Just their students. Which may suggest that, like historical Ming sects, there is a divide between cloistered and non-cloistered Daoists: the former took a vow of celibacy and did not marry, while the latter did.

And man, the marriages in FSYY are not happy ones. The big three are arranged marriages: two of which are wartime marriages for political purposes and both involve a defeated foe. In Longji's case, it isn't as forced, in Deng Chanyu's case, it is absolutely forced.

Somehow, Jiang Ziya and Ma's peacetime marriage manages to be an even bigger whirlwind of toxicity, worsened by Jiang Ziya's terrible luck and business skills, until they get a divorce.

Like, at the end of the novel, after Ma commits suicide out of shame, she is deified as the Comet/Broom Star, which was also a slang for "jinx", a.k.a. people who brings bad luck.

(My personal HC is that Jiang Ziya just adds her name onto the Investiture out of sheer spite, and she spends her immortal life as the Celestial Realm's cleaning lady, getting the last laugh when Jiang Ziya's descendents in the Qi state got their throne usurped by the Tian clan.)

Also, the two wartime marriages are "divinely ordained" and "fated to happen"; in Longji's case, the god in charge of love and marriage, Old Man Under the Moon, came to persuade her personally.

You know, if I'm an immortal on either side, and happen to witness these marriages, I'll happily take my vow of celibacy and cloistered life because good fucking lord.

Edit: I guess Zhang Kui and Gao Lanying on the Shang side could be considered an unambiguously happy couple, if you leave out the "die in battle and get deified together" part.

[now-we-say-c0ral]

July 1, 2023

Happy Pride! There's like a big Pride Parade here in London today. I would like to go but 1. I'm a bit too lazy when there's a crowd and 2. Friends flaked out.

Woke up around 8am and immediately became needy with Eddie. Something's definitely wrong with my head. I think I'm really like this when I'm hungry. I observed that when I'm well-fed that I tend to not get these thoughts but otherwise my mind's just all over the place. Ed's not in the right headspace to deal with this but he's trying his best and I appreciate him a lot for this.

I was about to cycle to the gym but Ed made me coffee first before I headed out. I went to Morrisons first after parking to grab a meal deal and I had a wrap with the staple Starbucks espresso that I always have. I did abs, the stair master, and some chest today. I can see my abs again when I flex it a bit but I still have a muffin top and I hate it. It'll be gone by next month I swear. It has to. I'm so focused on my workout lately and I have to keep up the momentum. I went to Tian Tian after and bought some brunch for my boyfriend and amazingly they have Datu Puti Soy Sauce. I bought two. Cooked Ed some pork and shrimp siu mai and some spicy pancit canton.

Met Anj at Borough Market around 2pm. It's my first time there and I got a bit lost because I got off the wrong exit. We ate a lot of meals! My favorite one was the seafood paella that we ordered! I'd actually order again if I'll be coming back. We looked for a toilet everywhere because the ice cream we bought was churning my stomach real good and we went to the station next to Borough because they had a toilet. My stomach really knows when to act up in the most inconvenient of times. We went to Zara and HM to buy some clothes. I got a pink Zara hoodie that was on sale.

Gonna play some games now and then I'll clean the toilet before I take a shower. Life's been okay lately.