#ML awakening salt

[gameguy20100]

Plagg in the show: Chaotic and snarky little shit constantly encouraging Adrien to be who he wants to be. Also he loves cheese so much and often uses cheese metaphors in failed attempts at wisdom. Also he's the most loyal Kwami you will ever meet and gets attached quickly, as seen in his interactions with Zoe.

Plagg in Awakening: Fart jokes.

[gentil-minou]

Wait I figured it out

This is the Miraculous Movie sponsored by Agreste Fashion and produced by Gabriel Agreste

This is like basically propaganda released that's like the bare minimum of the canon characters it's his ooc characters

Ladybug and chat noir actually don't do anything and are bad heroes amd gabriel agreste is just a misunderstood father

Guys it's just miraculous as told by gabriel agreste

[sidsinning]

PPL RLLY THINK DIS MOVIE B BETTER THAN THE SHOW?

[cakemousse]

so i’m sure a lot of us have seen the video of the ml movie in english dub whereby marinette’s voice changes when she sings, and it’s jarring no doubt

but let me tell you it’s at least 10 times worse in the french dub (yes Lou the singer is the same for both english and french)

[kisilinramblings]

A "little" rant about the Magic System inside the Miraculous Movie.

Spoilers ahead.

ML Show : So we take inspirations from both the Mahou Shoujo and Superhero genres and mix them together. The magic system of the ML universe has clear rules. They can be bended, or played with but never broken. Each Miraculous grants a superpower and can be used once at a time. The Miraculous are intended to be used for the greater good but it all really depends on the Miraculous Holder. To protect their Miraculous, the main are following a secret identity rule, which contributes to the lovesquare that can lead to a diversity of situations and interactions between the same two people. The Miraculous is powered by a Kwami. Without a Kwami, the Holder cannot transform. The Akumas serve to create a Monster of Week. However, we use anybody and each have their reasons to have negative emotions and have power in-link to help their situation. Akumatization is also a consented deal, however HM usually is manipulative and deceptive enough to trick his victim into accepting the power he offers. Then it plays out like a game a flag in which Ladybug and Chat Noir team up. While there is battle, the heroes usually win through ruse to catch and break the akuma object in order to capture and purify the Akuma. With this system and lore, we have a good sandbox to back up as many episodes as necessary.

ML Movie : We don't have time for this. Whatever looks cool on-screen. Hey! How about multiple Akumas active at the same time? Or an Akumatized Hawkmoth that can turn water into magma or use Darth Vader's Force? That looks evil. And how about Cataclysm but just during that last battle? Lucky Charm? What's that? Not epic enough and too complex to came up with. No-no-no, let's just put a spell similar to the Miraculous Ladybug that rebuild the city at the end because everything is too much of a wreck after that showdown. No need for further explanation to the audience, even the new one we will reach. The characters have it figure it out. Also, Kwamis can manifest themselves even if they are powering up the Miraculous now and their Holder doesn't detransform. Not immediately. Actually the Holder can possibly transform even if they aren't wearing their Miraculous and Kwamis can just decide to transform their chosen one if this on is relunctant to become an hero. Oh and let's simplify so the Butterfly Miraculous is an EVIL Miraculous. Why is only that Miraculous Evil though? Pff! Who cares. We need a bad guy. For the Akuma just need a bit of negative emotion. Let's not dwaddle on why the person is feeling negative emotions and fixing their problem. In fact, Hawkmoth will mostly uses prisoners and other villainous goons instead so they get sent back in prison. The Akuma will possessed its host and is released randomly whenever we say the villain was KO'd. The heroes have no reason to keep their identity secret in the first place. A reveal could have even happen midway if we would have wanted, but we'll put it at the end to close the movie to make it appear we have wrap-up things.

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All that to say, it is normal to adjust the rules to the format. Like the five minutes timer which serves in rising the tension inside an episode can be cut no problem for a movie adaptation. Even going with just the first 7 Miraculous of the Miracle Box works for a trilogy. But you still need rules that serve as your base that you will respect to make the magic system coherent to the audience.

[katnoiretp2]

Best part of the Miraculous movie was that it inspired me to rewatch Origins. Give me:

Marinette having such a sappy sweet relationship with her dad. Proud to hand out the macarons he made and him to showcase her designs. Adrien choosing to help an old man without a second’s hesitation even though it means giving up what he wanted to do. Dual scenes of Marinette and Adrien meeting their kwamis. Plagg being a little menace and Marinette flipping out at "bug mouse!". Tikki being considerate and gentle in her approach. LadyNoir meeting in such a chaotic way but it's all just so sweet and I already love them and buy into their dynamic fully. Cat Noir being so understanding and kind directly after she causes both his staff and her yoyo to come down on his head. Ladybug choosing for herself to fight the akuma even though she's afraid. Cat Noir calling for his partner's help. Asking what she thinks they should do. Ladybug coming up with an incredibly convoluted plan that somehow works. Cat Noir being enamored by her for it. A first Pound it where both acknowledge they’re partners. Nino befriending Adrien because he realizes there's more to him than "rich model boy" Marinette not even recognizing Adrien despite Gabriel Agreste being her favorite designer. Marinette becoming Ladybug again to save Alya. Cat Noir's innocent punny flirtations. Cat Noir pep talking Ladybug as her doubt and fear of failure get to her. Giving her the courage to stand up to Hawk Moth. Letting everyone in Paris know that Ladybug and Cat Noir will protect them. Cat Noir looking up at her in awe. Proclaiming he loves that girl behind the mask. Adrien showing Marinette his sincere and kind self. The reason she falls for him. His innocent laugh when the umbrella closes in on her. "She's just a friend" as he's overjoyed by the thought.

[lady-de-mon-coeur]

I wouldn't be so salty towards the movie if I wasn't scared of the possibility of it replacing the canon instead of expanding its audience. Because, let's be real, the average media consumer is quite lazy nowadays. They don't want to watch the whole series, so they ask for lists of plot-relevant episodes, excluding so-called 'fillers'. They don't want to watch the whole episode, only the ships/characters they like the best. They might even refuse to watch the series at all, trying to get the gist through fan content (not always accurate) or YouTube video essays (often salty and hateful for the sake of clout). If they get to know that there's a movie that the vast majority (or the loud minority) of the fandom thinks is better or more canon than the TV series, then I'm not sure they will check if it's true. They would just go with it. I can already hear them say "this whole ML universe is such a mess, nothing in it makes sense. I'm so glad I didn't get around to watching the series".

[amimons]

i didn't watch the ML awakening movie, but wasn't Marinette irrelevant to the climax there but most ppl don't have a problem with it? Like she was there but the entire resolution was solely on Gabriel and Adrien so if she just didn't join the fight and let Hawk Moth beat up CN from the start, then he'd find out tht CN was Adrien and boom - conflict resolved?

THANK YOU

I actually just recently subjected myself to the movie...full disclosure I did not enjoy it.

And one of the things that bothered me the most was how distant Marinette was from the main villain of the movie. I know it's a movie so we won't get the same build-up, etc. but the movie does rely too heavily on the viewer to already understand the show's characters and their dynamics.

Without that context, those dynamics are severely lacking in the movie. So that's why we get Marinette literally just sitting on the sidelines while Gabriel comes to his own conclusions on his own while holding Adrien in his arms. And then we move on.

I'm glad some people found satisfaction in that reveal but not me (in terms of the movie)

(Please if you like the movie that's fine I don't and let's just keep it at that)

[howtotrainyouragents]

Agent H's Movie Reactions

Ladybug and Cat Noir the Movie

A reimagining of how Ladybug and Chat Noir, and their secret identities Marinette and Adrien, met, fell in love, and saved the world

-I was trying so hard to make this a non-comparison reaction and judge it on it's own basis, but there's just too little in the actual movie and too much to actually say so here we go lol

-Truly I think the weakest part of this movie is just the script. The dialogue is so generic, it's almost soulless. It has to directly say what the characters feel at all times and has to give the most basic children's movie messages as the answer. For ex, that scene where she meets Tikki, and Tikki just speedruns the explanations is so bad bc like, the reveal of the power is an important part of any superhero story, and them speedrunning it is like "lol, we don't care, you know the deal, let's just move past it" which is bad for immersing yourself in the story

-Marinette is so generic here, it was annoying to me. And she keeps talking about her dreams and fears but what are your dreams and fears?? All she is just timid and awkward here (which makes sense why people are goo gah over this version)

-Personally, I don't like the idea that your old self is bad and you have to get rid of it but that's just me

-Marinette wears a tank top underneath the jacket??? she’s just like me fr

-That poll going around that was like, What was the message of the movie? I thought that was a joke and there was obviously a correct answer. But oh no. They genuinely just changed the message of the movie like every twenty minutes

-What was the point of making the Ladybug and Cat rivals if Ladynoir immediately solve working together like the second time they meet. And what does the "stronger together" mean, like was it making their superpowers literally stronger or was it just teamwork is better?

-Everyone just felt mean to each other? Like Adrienette/Ladynoir, but also like Marinette wouldn't be so mean to her dad? And Alya teasing her about being friendless? And Chat Noir could be seen as joking around but they don't give that impression enough, so he comes off as kind of just a jerk.

-Chat Noir is adorable until he speaks. I love that little arms-flailing run from the gargoyle in the church

-Also I need that dialogue scene of "I have nine lives, razor-sharp sense, etc." to be like a meme picture set please

-HE HAS LITTLE GLITTER ON HIS MASK :(((

-Yeah, I have no idea why Marinette likes Adrien other than he's hot when they first meet. (And I have no idea what his deal is. Why was he sitting lonely in the library? How does he know Chloe? How does he know Nino and no one else? No explanations!!)

I have no idea why Chat Noir likes Ladybug other than she saved his life. Like, okay, and? This movie seems to think that the only good acts is saving someone from danger, and all the million good tiny acts that the characters do in the show that fundamentally are a part of who they are isn't important

-Some of the Ladynoir banter was a little more banter-is-cool-right-right? than characters-actually-talking-and-bantering

-That being said, I AM NOT IMMUNE TO LADYNOIR

-The animation is gorgeous HOLY FUCK. I could watch these scenes all day. And I don't really mind, with some exceptions (ALYA. MARINETTE'S DAD), the character designs

-I did scream at seeing Luka. But upon a closer look, wtf did they do to him

-I liked Chloe's design in the promos, but I don't actually like it that much here, her hair is too stringy

-*Me cradling show!Plagg and whispering* "Who did this to you? Who hurt you like this? I will kill them all for you." (No, but seriously, No Plagg's galaxy design? The fart jokes? The not-caring-about Adrien?)

-I can't believe they've made me say this, but I think I prefer Hawkmoth's show design? His face is a little too expressive here (esp when Gabriel's really isn't), and it weirds me out

-I do think it's cute to have all the classmates and side character cameos

-There was some shots that just felt confusing, like I'm not sure where they wanted my focus to be

-Some of the back and forth scenes could've been edited a little sharper

-Hahaha, I like that they unnecessarily amped up the yoyo design

-If they were really doing such big-budget animation, they should've gone for it and given the characters new outfits and all each day. I'd pay for it

-I was THIS close to just skipping all the songs. And honestly I should've, they (except maybe the Ladynoir falling in love song?) didn't add anything to the story.

-I always love Lou singing for Marinette, but the contrast between Cristina's speaking and Lou's singing is SO BAD WHO APPROVED THIS

-Girl, you can't have a self-realization song in the middle of a fair on fire

-This movie owes me money for making me watch Gabriel sing. It was a fun song, but you owe me reparations

-"A she-ro!" Boooo! Negative points for trying too hard! Haha, Also Ladybug literally wasn't doing anything atm when Alya said that

-Nino having a crush on Alya is so cute

-Adrien sad boi hours

-“Evil Miraculous” Nooroo doesn’t deserve this slander :(

-Master Fu was, uh, a lot

-Also, they keep harping on, You have to save the world!! (Oh my goodness why was Tikki so serious) Which like makes me appreciate how the show smartly keeps it's stakes reasonable and contained to Paris bc that's such an easy pitfall for superhero genres to fall into

-Ladybug and Chat Noir didn’t even save the day??

-Sheesh, and you guys were mad thinking season 5 finale gave Gabriel a redemption (which it didn't)??

-YES YOU ARE RIGHT ADRIEN WOULD CRY LEARNING MARINETTE IS LADYBUG

-WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE THIS ENTIRE FUCKING FANFIC MOVIE AND THEY DON'T EVEN KISS

-Look, Adrien deserves to tell his dad off, but this Adrien doesn't because it doesn't feel built up or paid off at all

-Dude. The reveal of Emilie doesn’t mean anything in this version of the story

-People who love the show will hate the movie and people who hate the show will love the movie

[lucy-shining-star]

I don’t undersatand people being like ‘Movie managed to do more in 100 minutes than show in 8 years’ when like...Show is ongoing so why it would resolve some things yet or some things are not intended to be done at all?

[gameguy20100]

I've been reading your posts regarding MLB even if I haven't seen the show in full (mostly because I don't wanna wait 100 episodes for Marinette and Adrian to finally get together lol) but you seem like one of the few fans who are normal about the show. I wanted to ask if you've seen the movie, and if so, what's your opinion on it. I heard it was really good, but it was by fans who hate Tomas Astruc with every fiber of their being, so I wanted to get an opinion on it from someone who isn't too biased against a content creator.

First of all, thanks for the ask. it's nice to interact with people.

And sorry to say this, but I hate it.

The movie is just a bunch of cliche's that takes away everything that makes the show fun.

Adrien? Reduced to a jerk.

Nino and Alya? Exist only to be the black best friends.

Marinette? reduced to a shy, passive, generic YN insert without the traits that make her relatable and fun.

And the worst part for me? They took away her lucky charm. One of my favourite parts of each episode was seeing how Marinette would use her creativity and intelligence to beat the Akuma with the random object she gets. Now the Akuma goes down if you hit them hard enough. Riveting.

So, yeah. I don't like it at all.

[gentil-minou]

did she even once use "mon chaton"????????????????????

like did i miss it??????????? i didn't notice any my lady's or anything but mon chaton????? was there a single one?????????????

[crizztelcb]

Anyone wants to hear about how awful the ml movies is that it made me almost start crying in despair only 40 minutes in? :D

[gentil-minou]

This was the other thing that kept taking me out, I hated the singing because it didn't match the VAs, I really wish they just had the singers do the VA it felt like someone else was singing

Lik no shade to the singers they were objectively wonderful it was just alarming hearing mari's canonical high pitch (I watched in French with Anouc btw) become this lower singing voice. It felt like a bad dub over.

miraculous ladybug team: yeah we’re not gonna let cristina vee sing for this movie despite her having the voice of the gods. dont worry tho nobody will notice

the difference between her character's speaking and singing voice rivaling quest for camelot:

[rosie-b]

I just told my sister that the ml movie is a musical and she said she didn’t think it could get any worse skfgldhajks

[weebiewrites]

i can’t believe Jeremy Zag effortlessly shat on 8 whole years of Astruc’s career by dropping the most high budget fix-it fic of all time

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