#MILES MILLAR

[demifiendrsa]

Wednesday: Season 2 | Cast Reveal

Season 2 of Netflix's Wednesday is now in production.

Season 2 cast

Starring:

Jenna Ortega as Wednesday Addams

Steve Buscemi as Barry Dort

Emma Myers as Enid Sinclair

Hunter Doohan as Tyler Galpin

Joy Sunday as Bianca Barclay

Victor Dorobantu as Thing

Moosa Mostafa as Eugene Ottinger

Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Ritchie Santiago

Billie Piper as Capri

Georgie Farmer as Ajax Petropolus

Isaac Ordonez as Pugsley Addams

Evie Templeton

Owen Painter

Noah Taylor

Luis Guzmán as Gomez Addam

Catherine Zeta-Jones as Morticia Addams

Guest starring:

Joanna Lumley as Grandmama

Thandiwe Newton as Dr. Fairburn

Jamie McShane as Donovan Galpin

Frances O'Connor

Haley Joel Osment

Heather Matarazzo

Joonas Suotamo

Fred Armisen as Uncle Fester

Christopher Lloyd

[hislittleraincloud]

Singer Isabel LaRosa on her TikTok is being so annoying about her new song saying “we need a wenclair kiss scene to this” and basically false advertising the song, acting like it’s gonna be in the show when it’s not and wenclair is not happening.

As if we needed more crazy and delusional shippers out there, now there’s a damn celebrity shipping them 🤦🏼‍♀️

I'm just glad that Millar & Gough were pretty clear that they aren't going to be misdirected by fans.

I know the Wenclairs missed that part of what they said. But Millar said it back in December 2022:

I mean the man said "friendship" three times in two sentences. I don't know how much clearer they can get. (Their roadmap for the show is their bible that they pitched to MGM, see below.)

But it's pretty clear that the fandom wants to ignore the writers and who they are/where they're writing from (cishet Gen X parents of teenagers writing a teen show for the general public). Nowhere has this interview ever been referenced, when it gives everyone a clear image of who is writing the show, and what's really in store for Season 2 (this was June 2023, obviously scripts were written before the strike):

The Wenclairs should just skip to the Tone section, where Gough talks about how carefully crafted Netflix Canon Wednesday is.

And yes, they should all feel like idiots to think that the show would even give focus to the intimate relationship that is perceived by Wenclairs over the writers' (and actors') perceived friendship/sisterhood. They're aware of Wenclairs. It's just not in their roadmap, but they have to be careful with what they say since the parasocial nature of stanning and vicious attacks against creators has gotten out of hand. It can't form organically if that's not the story they want to tell.

[romancedream]

Last year, I posted this edit to support and celebrate @wednesdaynetflix series in its first anniversary...

This year, I will not celebrate its second anniversary...

I tagged @goughalfred and @milesmillar in this post last year.

#milesmillar responded by making a post to celebrate the show's first-year anniversary. Then he did a disgusting thing that reflected his personality: he liked a comment about @percy 's fake allegations and dismissal from season 2...

This show is tainted with betrayal...

This show is a disappointment and a disgrace...

It's the show that supports bullies, doesn't protect its actors, and alienates the decent members of its audience with its soulless actions...

These people disowned a brother and a colleague...

And for that, we disown them.

You are a celebrity and an inspiration only when you touch people's hearts; with your art as well as with your actions...

If your actions don't match with your art. There is no point of your work or your existence in the industry.

We hold everyone who participates in the making of #WednesdaySeason2 accountable for their silence...

We will not let this go.

[psychic-refugee]

I don’t want to claim that Wenclair as a ship doesn’t exist. Again, I’ve always been a big proponent that fandom is a) supposed to be fun and b) it’s up to interpretation and opinion. The latter makes your ship valid because that’s how you feel. Perhaps it doesn’t make your reasons rational or anchored in canon, but again we go back to a) where it’s supposed to be fun.

I don’t have a problem with Wenclair the ship. I have a problem with Wenclairs the people who have a well-documented history of harassment on non-fandom sites such as Instagram and Twitter of the celebrities in question.

Here are some of the reasons why I don’t specifically see Wenclair/I see a platonic relationship.

Gough and Millar framed Enid and Wednesday as a “sisterhood” and “friendship.” (NME, 24 Dec 2023) This is in DIRECT reaction to being asked about Wenclair. They are the authority of canon as they are the authors of Wednesday and Enid as we know them from this iteration of the Addams Family.

The fact they said its “possible��� in the future means Wenclair is not currently true. I also think they were simply being polite and did not want to offend the Wenclairs. Given how badly some react to the possibility of Wenclair not being canon, I don’t blame Gough and Millar for trying to remain neutral about it.

Again, this is Millar and Gough, the true writers and authority of Wednesday.

Secondly, Jenna herself proclaimed no romance. She made an effort in an interview to stress Wednesday had no SO and would have no SO. This is right after joking about Wenclair being a possibility. I believe this is a direct consequence of Wenclairs harassment when they took her words too far and harassed anyone who disagreed with them or threatened the possibility of the ship. (Digital Spy, 8 June 2023)

Emma also wants Wednesday to be single. (Variety, 30 Jan 2023)

There has been no talk, joking or otherwise, of Wenclair being a possibility in almost two years. They in fact seem to be making an effort to not a) talk about it and b) distance themselves from it.

As of this post, none of the cast or writers have done promo for the novel nor have acknowledged it in any way. They also do not follow Meija on socials.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a) they completely avoid mentioning it anymore in interviews, b) stressing no romance, c) Jenna quit Twitter because of what I suspect a Wenclair sending her AI porn. (Entertainment Weekly, 25 Aug 2024), and d) Jenna won’t ever come out with who she’s dating. (Vanity Fair, 6 August 2024)

I think all of this ties into Wenclair harassment. (Tumblr, 29 August 2024)

Thirdly, one of my litmus tests of whether something could be platonic is if you switch out person A with a known family member of Person B.

This would be pretty gross, right? To have a “fizzy” feeling for your father? Not to mention the addition of kissing full on the mouth in such a way, TWICE. To me this is a clear sexual reaction on Wednesday’s part and could not be construed as platonic.

Here, if Morticia had saved Wednesday and had this moment, it could still work. It wouldn’t be weird, so this scene is not necessarily romantic.

I think pretty much every interaction with Enid could be replaced by Morticia or Pugsly, and it wouldn’t make it as off putting as the Tyler example.

Meija could have at any point described Wednesday’s feelings while in Enid’s presence as “fizzy” or anything remotely romantic and they chose not to.

If they meant for it to be romantic regardless, they don’t have the confidence to stand by their work and say it outright.

So, unless it’s Game of Thrones where sibling/family incest is the norm, then seeing Enid and Wednesday as platonic is a fair interpretation.

[vintagewarhol]

[gameofthunder66]

Wednesday (2022- ) tv series

-(finished) watchin' Season 1- 9/15/2023- 3 [1/2] stars- on Netflix

[cupoteahatter]

No One:

Me: I keep seeing like people compare Tyler and Jeremy when it comes to Beetlejuice Beetlejuice cus of the twist but the thing is that in actuality Tyler’s closest counterpart in the movie is Astrid. Like think about it for two seconds, estranged from one parent, the other is dead, emotional neglect definitely happening somewhere, meets someone who reaches out and genuinely seems to care about them for the first time in forever and is then manipulated through the use of the dead parent into doing something dark and terrible. Also if we take into consideration that Jeremy died in the 90s then that puts his mental age somewhere in his 40s and Thornhill/Laurel Gates is in her 40s when she comes to town and grooms Tyler. There’s also the way that the narrative in Wednesday is LITERALLY telling you all of this in the same text through every other voice but Tyler’s, he’s the one villainising himself after his reveal twist honestly, but the story around him is still going “No, he’s not THE villain” whilst showing us that Laurel Gates is! Making it clear that Tyler is also her Victim! Beetlejuice Beetlejuice doesn’t do anything but go “Jeremy is the villain, he is the bad guy, he did all the killing cus he wanted to” in the same way Wednesday as a story tells us that Gates/Thornhill is! Whilst making it explicitly clear that Tyler by NATURE of his kind of outcast essentially has very little free will once under the influence of a master.

Me: Astrid and Tyler have so much in common in base character that it’s ridiculous and I have Millar, Gough and Burton’s FUCKING number and can elaborate at the drop of a hat it will just take me three to four business days to write the essay cus of the ADHD!

[filmap]

Wednesday Alfred Gough, Miles Millar. 2022

Gates Mansion Strada Eroilor 186, Bălteni 137126, Romania See in map

See in imdb

[cantsayidont]

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE (2024): Unnecessary sequel to Tim Burton's charmingly cartoonish 1988 afterlife comedy has more of everything except story or sense: The script (by the ever-hackish Alfred Gough and Miles Millar) is a slapdash assembly of at least five different plots, none of which fit together and all of which are dropped unceremoniously the moment the writers (or perhaps Burton, whose own hackishness has grown acute over the years) get bored, which is also true of the film's never very coherent supernatural rules. It's a shame, because Winona Ryder's welcome return as an older and MILFier Lydia Deetz — now the host of a parody of one of those dumb ghost investigations shows — is fun, as is the dynamic between Lydia and her teenage daughter Astrid (Jenna Ortega, who at this rate will be playing Goth high school kids until she's 35), who doesn't believe in any of Lydia's ghost sightings.

Monica Bellucci, as a vengeful and sexy spirit who literally puts herself back together with a staple gun (a great idea marred by terrible CGI), and Willem Dafoe, as a Clint Eastwoodish actor who is now policing the afterlife, are also entertaining, although they seem to be holdovers from a completely different draft of the script. Unfortunately, Catherine O'Hara (as Lydia's stepmother Delia) overacts more than Frank Gorshin playing the Riddler, and if you felt Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice was the weak spot of his own movie the first time around, the sequel will not endear you to him; the script makes Beetlejuice even more of a creep than the original, still obsessed with Lydia more than 40 years later for reasons that we're just expected to roll with.

If Gough and Millar could have put these pieces together in any kind of coherent order, it might have been okay, but it really burns an awful lot of goodwill before it's over, and it's mostly thanks to Ryder and Ortega that it walks away with any positive vibes at all. CONTAINS LESBIANS: No. VERDICT: I guess it could have been worse, but c'mon.

[brokehorrorfan]

The ghost with the most is back in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, hitting theaters September 6 via Warner Bros. I'm giving readers in the Boston area the opportunity to see the film early - and for free!

Broke Horror Fan is sponsoring an advance screening of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice at AMC Boston Common in Boston, MA on Tuesday, September 3, at 7:00pm.

Click here to get your passes while supplies last. Seating is first-come, first-served and not guaranteed, so be sure to arrive early! Attendees are encouraged to dress up in gothic glam or afterlife attire.

Tim Burton returns to direct a sequel to his 1988 classic from a script by Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. Michael Keaton, Winona Ryder, Catherine O'Hara, Justin Theroux, Monica Bellucci, Jenna Ortega, and Willem Dafoe star.

After an unexpected family tragedy, three generations of the Deetz family return home to Winter River. Still haunted by Beetlejuice, Lydia's life is turned upside down when her rebellious teenage daughter, Astrid, discovers the mysterious model of the town in the attic and the portal to the Afterlife is accidentally opened. With trouble brewing in both realms, it's only a matter of time until someone says Beetlejuice's name three times and the mischievous demon returns to unleash his very own brand of mayhem.

[randomrichards]

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE:

Lydia mourning

Ghost’s soul sucking ex returns

Burton gets groove back

[demifiendrsa]

Wednesday: Season 2 | First Look at Behind the Scenes

Season 2 of Netflix’s Wednesday will premiere in 2025.

[hislittleraincloud]

The spring release date was said by Bianca’s mom actress (Gracy Goldman) on an Instagram comment, she said spring time 2025. I believe someone that is on the show has more knowledge than fans, yes post production takes a lot of time but we don’t know if they’re already editing some episodes while they film the others

*takes your hand*

*whispers* She doesn't know shit either.

Production for Season 1 Wednesday went from September 2021 to March 2022. That is seven months of filming and about seven to eight months of post production.

Production for Season 2 Wednesday went from early May 2024 to late November 2024 (not counting if there are any reshoots/other problems, and December was supposed to be the official wrap, despite the photo that's been circulating for the 'early' wrap party as it was posted on TwitteX).

That would mean you're speculating only ~ five to six months (at best) post-production, since the Spring TV season ends at the end of May (it's from March to May). Why in Hell would anyone think there would be less post time in the second 8-episode series — which is supposed to be "bigger and better" — is beyond me. This here might last less than three minutes, but it doesn't take only three months, it takes 2x as long to do something like it:

And if there's more of that, then it won't take less than the first season's post. Remember that Ortega herself said it'll be bigger and each episode is "like a movie".

It doesn't matter if you think there's final editing going on while the rest of the show is being filmed. That's not how it works/worked. If it did, that would've applied to the first season, and it would've taken less than eight fucking months in post/to get it out, and we saw just how much F/X went into that (with the creation of Nevermore, Tyler/Hyde, Kent underwater, Ajax's snakes, Enid's nails and final transformation/battle with Tyler, the crappy/easy Bianca Siren Song, Thing...did I miss anything there in terms of actual VFX? Nero, Eugene's bees, Xavier's drawings/paintings? Managing the other green screen graphics aside from Thing/Victor, that might be a big one?). That shit has got to be perfect, since everyone is expecting just as 'good' a season as its premiere, if not better.

And then there's a million technical things to get through in post/editing and putting it together. And then Elfman's gotta score it (or did you think that his music just magically materialized wherever Burton or Ortega moved?). He would have to watch the series to know whatever it is he needs to compose/make sure it's coherent and flows well in the finished project. Junkie XL tells us that for him, it can take anywhere from 3 weeks to a year and a half (for Mad Max: Fury Road) to score a film. Elfman and the whole crew are producing what the equivalent of 6 films would be (six 1.3hr films). That's a lot of work if he's not just going to recycle much from Season 1's score. Composers work differently and Elfman has the advantage of having completed Wednesday 1, but that's also a challenge since they want familiarity without the direct repetition of anything but the main theme.

Perhaps you and whoever else should stop and listen to the straight guys adults in the room:

While he may have run through Wednesday fairly quickly because he was given only 10 days to work on each episode after the first two (he thought he was only going to score the first two episodes, so they spent a month on that), these guys watch finished scenes over and over. This time around they can avoid a repeat of that three month stress, and I think they will. Creatives learn how to modify unreasonable requests since they've experienced how anxiety-inducing it was the first time around when they were unsure of how it'd be received.

Anyway. I repeat, it's not coming out in the spring, but here's my promise: If I am wrong and Wednesday 2 comes out in Spring 2025 — before the end of May (my birthday/two years after I debuted Satisfying Afterburn) — after only five to six months of post-production, I will write the most fkd up, sexplicit Wenclair smut that the fandom has ever seen. I'll even make it Afterburn canon.

Color me wrong, universe. I would truly love to be wrong on this, because we're all eager to see WTF they did/how they work around absences and with such a huge cast (who more than likely need some sort of VFX for some of the characters). The cast of Wednesday 2 is bloated. There's just too much they would need to do, I would think. I could be wrong. I want to be wrong. But I'm not counting on a minor-ish actor's throwaway comments on IG.

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Okay, now for a bonus thought that has little to do with the speculated date of Wednesday 2's release date.

For historical purposes and I'm bored: Y'all (ALL you damn kids) should probably heed what a pre-Wenclair, pre-Wyler Ortega stated about Wednesday's motivations (i.e. before Wednesday came out and before her fame blew up, when she was more honest and before she had to self-censor and deal with something I don't think she — or any of the cast — was prepared to deal with) emphasis mine and ahh, her Old Face pre-nosejob:

"Something else I want to stress about the show too is that I never wanted it to seem like she was doing something out of the goodness of her heart. Because that wasn't what it was, it was more genuine interest, you know ... — I don't think she was ever going out intentionally to save lives or to be a hero, but more so "Oh my God, how is this guy actually pulling this off?" like, jotting down her own notes sort of thing. And it was actually the first time in her life not understanding someone's actions when they're being laid out right in front of her."

She also describes how part of Wednesday's behavioral journey was learning how to manipulate/bargain better (those are not her words, they're mine, but when you get to the part where she says Wednesday figures out that if she behaves a certain way, she can't obtain what she wants so she learns what to do, that's what it is). Nowhere in this early interview was even a hint of any of the teen romance, real or imagined, mentioned (and the criticisms about the love triangle only came after the reviews/fan complaints and preferences were aired).

But she does mention how NC Wednesday wants to be a detective. Who better to show her the ropes than Donovan? She was genuinely interested in hanging around him because he was also supposed to be an investigator that she could learn from...and teach.

...Heh.

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[romancedream]

By liking this comment, Miles Millar gave validation to the relentless bullying, harassment, doxxing, and death threats that @percy received after the hate campaign that was created only because he stared in Millar's streaming series: @wednesdaynetflix

Despite the concrete evidence of the young man's innocence. The series' showrunner and writer decided to terminate Percy's role in the show out of fear of losing viewers and, by extension, money. Completely disregarding the 22-year-old's mental health, well-being, and career prospects in the future. 😡😡😡😡😡

Both @milesmillar and @goughalfred watched silently while @percy was being used as a punching bag for the obsessive fangirl haters who couldn't stand his role as "the love interest" of Wednesday in this fictional show. They let him absorb all the hatred that came along with the massive success of the series,

and then they threw him out of the show, hoping to start a new clean page, while Percy gets to suffer from the negativity and destruction of the hit series all by himself.

It's important to note that Percy and members of the cast of Wednesday, alongside their new costars from other shows and films, are still getting bullied and se*ualized to this day by the same online psychopaths that millar supported.

[psychic-refugee]

This is how I feel when Wenclairs literally sexualize/romantisize every benign interaction, both in fictional media and real life.

And they wonder why the actresses don't voluntarily post pics with each other anymore, nor do they make an effort to interact with each other when in public.

[cleosven]

Tyler in Season 2

A lot of people are worried about how Tyler will be portrayed in Season 2 of Wednesday. I am also concerned. 

But I’m not as concerned as everyone else seems to be!

The writers convey Wednesday’s wounds, misbeliefs, and fundamental truths clearly. And the specific truths they want us to believe make me think that they will treat Tyler’s character with compassion. 

Wednesday has many misbeliefs at the start of the show including:

Caring is a weakness: from the very first scene with Pugsley, she told him that ‘emotions’ are a weakness, but she means caring because that spurs sadness, happiness, love etc. because anger is an emotion, and she seems fine expressing that via revenge 

People are good OR evil: she reacts as if those boys are pure evil when they are likely just assholes who don’t have their shit together

People can’t change: This is shown when she implies that Dalton doesn’t deserve the chance to have children, implying that he will never ever be good or worthy in his life. This also applies to how she treats herself, she doesn’t fully believe that she is good, and so it doesn’t matter if she does evil in the name of what’s right

The best way to show love is physical violence: she put piranha in the pool to hurt Dalton and his friends to show she loves Pugsley, and she also just tortures Pugsley (waterboarding was mentioned)

Authority isn’t on your side: again, not turning them in, but enacting her own violent revenge. This also goes for parents, teachers, the school system, and the justice system in general

Normies aren’t as powerful as outcasts: She acts on her revenge as if there is no way they could hurt her back in the same capacity, and they don’t, further fueling the misbelief 

Wednesday’s Wounds

Each of these misbeliefs came from a ‘wound’ in her past. 

The main one is that her pet scorpion was murdered in front of her. She felt like those normie kids were evil, and no adult came to help her. And those kids, as far as she knows, never changed for the better. 

Another wound was that she sent her book to an editor, and they rejected her. That might not be a very old or fundamental wound, but it’s another case of her protecting something she loved (her books) with exaggerated violence (dozens of mousetraps.)

Over the course of this show, Wednesday will slowly grow by proving her misbeliefs wrong and revealing the fundamental truths of the world that the writers want Wednesday, and the audience to see. 

Tyler’s Situation

So, going back to Tyler, he will be very useful in disproving these misbeliefs.

But if the writers don’t treat Tyler’s situation with care, it will enforce Wednesday’s misbeliefs, so she won’t grow, and the show won’t be interesting to watch. 

And I think the writers know that. They addressed multiple of these misbeliefs throughout season one, but she never completely out-grew any of them. Which is a great set-up for a multi-season show

Fundamental truths that the Writers need to continue addressing (and how they connect to Tyler):

Caring is STRENGTH

They showed this in s1 with Enid, Xavier, Bianca, and Eugene all playing a part in helping save Nevermore

They can show that caring is strength if Wednesday cares about Tyler, or even if someone Wednesday knows (like Xavier, Tyler’s father, or the new principal) turns out to care about Tyler, and is able to help him out of his situation because of that caring

Everyone is part good AND evil: 

They’ve already shown me that Tyler isn’t just evil, but they need to prove it to Wednesday in season 2

If they don’t prove this Wednesday won’t be able to grow 

Like Tyler’s been saying all along, he’s done bad things, but that doesn’t make him a purely bad person

People CAN change:

They need to show Tyler’s growth! 

This will reinforce the fact that Wednesday can grow too, and help all of these truths fall into place

However, Wednesday won’t be able to see this truth right away - this is where Tyler could get hurt - but if they let him die or make him purely evil, the whole message of the entire show will fall flat 

The best way to show love is CARING: 

If the writers still want Tyler to still be a love interest (unnecessary in my opinion, but I’d live), then Wednesday is going to have to prove to Tyler that she cares about him 

But they can prove that ‘love is caring’ to Wednesday by having those around her care about her, like Enid or Xavier 

Personally, I want Wednesday to see that love is caring by Tyler’s dad caring for him

Authority CAN help: 

Weems proved to be good in the end, as well as the mayor and the therapist, and that will be helpful, but Laurel having been a teacher won’t help this progress

Someone besides a student will need to be a big part of the s2 plot to show Wednesday that adults and authority members aren’t always useless

This could be shown by Wednesday (or Xavier or Enid or another student) working with and adult to get Tyler to safety. It could be any other adult showing true compassion

I doubt Wednesday is ready to work with her parents yet - that might be an s3 hurdle

Normies ARE powerful:

This was mostly proven already in s1 via Laurel and Crackstone, but it was undermined by the fact that they still failed

The other truths would benefit from a normie being powerfully good 

This would be a great chance to throw in an amazing normie therapist who really understands Wednesday’s dark side 

I know this is a lot of information

But I've been analyzing this for a while, and I think it’s important that these ideas are out in the world. 

The writers made Wednesday’s outlook morally grey. She tased Tyler after knowing how hydes work, after all. So, at the start of season two, she likely won’t accept Tyler as a complex and real human being who deserves love. 

But I think the writers know that Tyler deserves love even if Wednesday doesn’t. And I think the writers want Wednesday to eventually know that Tyler is real and complex, and I think the writers want the audience to know that even now!

I could be wrong, but I don’t think I’m far off base. This show didn’t just become amazing by accident. A lot of thought was put into this plot, and Wednesday’s and Tyler’s characters. 

So I think a lot of thought and care will be put into how Tyler’s character is treated in season two because these truths that the writers have set up are caring and compassionate. 

Thank you for coming to my crazy long ted talk!! ❤️ I appreciate you