#Lancer and Ralsei (they're there believe me)

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Well, get ready everyone: It's time for the awkward Halkman's slow dance!!!

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Debunking the “Lancer is a little kid” belief

After years and years of not shipping anything (not in video games, movies, or TV shows), I finally came across a particular pairing in Toby Fox's "Delatrune" that immediately caught my attention. In case you're still guessing even after reading the title, I'm talking about Susie and Lancer here. Specifically, how Lancer is portrayed in the Delatrune fandom.

Now, what you're about to read is me being as objective as possible, but if you still see Lancer as a literal kid (even after the very last point, taken straight from the game itself), go on and believe what you want to. I mean, isn't that what works of fiction or supposed to be about? Letting our creativity flow and taking whatever we want to take from the actual work, so that we can interpret it in any way we want to? I won't even stop you from posting hate comments (they're inevitable). Just prepare yourselves for a reality check, folks.

Enough rambling. Let's get straight to the point. And that point is that whenever I went on the internet to look for fanart/fanfiction of these two, I could barely find any for one reason: 99% of the fandom saw the pairing as pedophilic. I must stop you all right there. Let's take a not-so-well-deserved break from my little discussion and look up the term 'pedophilia.'

In short, a pairing can’t be pedophilic if neither one of the characters is an adult. Or, if they're in a romantic, but non-sexual relationship. Like, you can call a couple with an age gap weird/gross all you want, but if it's not sexual, the term 'pedophilia' doesn't apply. That's my whole point. Except... Susie and Lancer are *peers.*

About Lancer's height. Saying that he's a child just because he's short is like saying Papyrus is much older than Sans just because Sans is short (heck, if you compare the heights, you'll see he's even shorter than Lancer, and yet Sans is an adult, and no one has ever questioned it).

Let's look at an actual example: Monster Kid/Teen. I found a picture containing them as a child (right) and teenager (left). See the difference? Okay. 

Now, I did the same thing for Lancer, and... if he were a child, he'd look something like this:

If you look up an actual height comparison for every character in the game, you’ll see how Lancer and Monster Teen are the same height (Kris and Ralsei too as far as I can tell). Still not convinced? Let's look at Susie. Most people follow this logic: She is taller and, therefore, must be older than Lancer. To that, I say: she's a dinosaur-like monster; of course, she will be taller than the others. Who knows how tall she'll be as an adult? As for Lancer: his dad may be tall, but that doesn't automatically mean he will be as huge as him when he grows up. Nothing weird about that.

Now Let's look at Lancer's personality. He's an immature and spoiled prince, but for a good reason: he spent his entire life being treated as a baby/toddler/child before he met Susie. No wonder he lacks confidence, needs 'babysitters', and is terrible with directions. Lancer... doesn't know any better. He's never been told that he can be his own individual. He's never been told that he isn't useless. That he doesn't need protection. Remember when Lancer told Susie that he had never eaten the Dark Candy hanging way too high on the tree because he wasn't allowed to get it himself, and she decided to let him try it even though she was hungry? Or when he stated that he wasn't allowed to swear? Lancer was even surprised that the trio's "collective dad" "lets them" swear. I'm sure people growing up in a strict household would understand when I say how this doesn't explicitly have to do anything with Lancer's biological age, just his upbringing. And Susie trying to get (the word they used was not 'teach,'  just 'get') him to swear more is similar to what some of my friends do sometimes when I'm too shy - get me out of my shell. That doesn't make me younger than I am. She teaches Ralsei sarcasm too in CH2, and I don't see anyone treating him like a little kid.

There's an interesting post about this here on Tumblr (https://at.tumblr.com/rainy-poppy/lancer-is-literally-a-child-why-are-you-shipping/d3kpxj3hpn1j). Basically, the person is saying that Susie, being the tough badass she is, wouldn't be hanging out with an actual child (despite calling him 'kid,' which I'll be getting to after this). Let's look at Anne and Sprig's friendship in Amphibia for a second since both of their ages are confirmed. She's 13. He's 10. The difference between Susie and Anne here is that Susie was a bully. Someone who was actually threatening, and not just a typical, friendly teenage girl like Anne. A bully like Susie would NOT willingly team up with a child. Instead, she'd say something like: "Whatever, kid. Scram!". Not only that, but she would not threaten to bite a child's face off, or beat him up (Lancer was literally the first person she actually beat up, according to what Monster Teen and Snowy tell us about never having seen her do it to anyone before), try to kill him twice (and almost succeed the second time), or call him 'man,' 'dude,' 'idiot,' and a 'wannabe tough guy.' And Lancer's face? I don't know if it's a joke. If it is, I'll ignore it, but if that's his actual face, then no. Him being a child is impossible. And considering that he has already made this particular face three times (once in CH1 and twice in CH2), I'm pretty sure it's canon. I can't get behind how someone could look at this face and think "That's a baby/toddler/little boy!" I seriously can't.

And it's not just that. We see that he and Susie made a literal game in which we (Kris) and Ralsei are supposed to ‘thrash our own ass’. I don’t know about you, but I highly doubt a child would have the mental capacity to contribute to the project or keep up with Susie in general. Additionally, Lancer shows an uncharacteristic level of maturity, ordering his troops to imprison us. Heck, they put him as the king of the entire Card Kingdom! Would they have put a 10-year-old on the throne? If they were smart, then no, of course not! Rouxls Kaard would have been in charge instead until Lancer was old enough. The comment one of the Rudinns made about him being their new king went something like: "We didn't know who to make our new king. Lancer's always been annoying, but seeing how nice he treats you guys, I think he'll be fine". There isn't a single mention of him not being old enough. The only canon information we have about Lancer’s age is that he isn’t old enough to ride a motorcycle, so he’s 15 max. Not an adult, but not a child either. And considering how the rest of the gang are teens, he is at least 13 (although, this is still too young imo).

Lancer understands the concept of death damn well; he just doesn't let it bother him. A child would scream, beg, cry, or run away in terror if someone threatened or tried to kill them, or become paralyzed from fear. He was even willing, no, EXPECTING to die during the Susie fight and said "Susie, you... you missed." He was willing to make this sacrifice just to keep her safe from his dad. The same guy who only used to care about being useful to King and making him proud (despite clarly having a soft heart) finally found something more imporant than proving himself, and that's having, being, and remaning a true friend to the end. This is both heartbreaking and beautiful. And from this one scene on, Lancer's remained 100% loyal to his friends, especially Susie (but also never had a single thought about leaving Kris and Ralsei behind).

A child like Monster Kid was clearly naive in UT. They said how they want to be like Undyne when they grow up (all Lancer said was how he wanted to be like Susie, without the "when I grow up" part). Not only that, but Monster Kid isn't even old enough to fight and needs Undyne to protect them, while Lancer is a skilled fighter compared to the rest of the Card Kingdom inhabitants (minus his father). Lancer, as immature as he sometimes is (and for a good reason, if we consider his upbringing), isn’t naive and clueless about the world. Bonus points for his jokes being not only silly but clever and sarcastic. He's like the perfect combo of Papyrus' goofiness and Sans' sarcasm. A child wouldn't be able to ride their bike as well as he does, think of such witty comebacks, or make up creative new words on the spot. A child would babble some stupid stuff, unfunny to teenagers. But Lancer's actually the only person who can make Susie laugh (besides herself).

Now, about this whole 'kid' talk. Lancer, I believe, called himself like this because he sees himself as a child despite being chronologically older. Why? As I said, because of his upbringing and (I think) because his father always saw him as incapable. And Susie addressing him as ‘kid’? It could mean a few things:

1) it was said as a way to mock him for his height, immaturity, or both, and as an addition to the comedy; it's not that deep

2) She thought that he was a kid, but Lancer explained to her that he wasn't when they started hanging out, which would explain why she didn't call him a kid ever again (and called him 'dude' and 'man' instead);

3) It's meant to imply Lancer is 1 or 2 years younger than Susie, but 3 years younger? I don't think so. More than 3? Definitely not.

*I think the first one is the most likely scenario considering she had called him a 'wannabe tough guy’ during their next encounter, while they were still enemies

I respect if you don't like/hate the ship because you see them as siblings, if you headcanon Susie as a lesbian, or if you ship her with someone else. I'm just sick and tired of this reasoning and not being able to enjoy the ship in peace because of people attacking it and its fans.

Edit: There are a lot of things I either forgot to mention, or want to discuss in more detail, so here they are:

-The reason the word 'kid' is repeated so often during our first encounter with him is because someone from the staff accidentally thought Lancer was much older than he really is based on the headcanon voice he gave him, so Toby decided to highlight that Lancer is a kid just like the rest of them (this was spoken of during the 6th anniversary of UT, there's a video on YouTube). Not only that, but Berdly calls himself 'the smart kid', and Susie says something like 'whether you're the smart kid or not, we couldn't care less (referring to Berdly)'. Basically, they're all still "children" (as Queen calls them) even though they're technically teens, and it's not like Lancer is an exception. Heck, Berdly asked: "Who's this guy?" And not "Who's this kid?" because we're already familiar from CH1 that Lancer isn't an adult, so there's no need to highlight it anymore

-Toby wanted to make 4 slots instead of 3 originally so Lancer could be a part of the gang and appear in the status menu, but figured that it would take too much work (from the stream). This proves that all 4 of them are equals; a child wouldn't be able to or allowed to fight alongside teenagers

-Speaking of my previous point, Lancer is a pretty skilled fighter (can throw a ton of spades), he's stronger than a lot of his people (his attack is 7) and also surpingly difficult to kill (during the fight with Susie)

-He acts a lot less stupid than most people give him credit for and is way more emotionally mature. Sure, he's silly for the sake of the comedy, but also clever and sarcastic. You can't convince me, based on his dialogue and interactions, that he acts like a little kid. Once again, I don't understand how those who had played Undertale are now pretending that they don't know Toby's humor is often exaggerated (like in Papyrus' case). It's not their first time seeing someone incompetent and purposefully goofy in his game

‐ If we look inside Lancer's room, we can see that it not only looks similar to Kris and Susie's, (who are, you know, teenagers), but there are also no "childish" things in there, such as toys, posters and action figures (Papyrus has them, and he's an adult). Also, he has a totally normal, spade-themed bed, while Papyrus, again, has one shaped like a car, yet somehow, Lancer is the one seen as a little kid. Sans reads Papyrus *bedtime stories* I repeat: *Sans reads Papyrus, an adult man, or an older teenager, bedtime stories.* NO ONE does this to Lancer.

-Whenever he and Susie interact, I always get the feeling that they're both on the same wavelength. To give an example of what I mean, I'll compare their dynamic to the one between Applejack and Apple Bloom from MLP:FiM. Even though AJ cares about her little sister, they each have their own friend groups. Saying Lancer is a little kid wouldn't make sense, considering how Susie has always treated him as her equal (heck, they even high-fived each other twice in CH2. If that isn't a sign of equality, I don't know what is). I never got the feeling that she was taking care of her "little brother," like a lot of fans seem to think. Even when she tried to save him from the maze, she got lost herself. I mean, who wouldn't do something like this if it meant helping a friend out? Not to mention the many stupid things they did TOGETHER (in the 6th-anniversary stream of UT, Toby stated how neither of the two knows anything about villainy), so it's not Lancer dragging Susie down with him

-This might sound like a nitpick but I think it's important: how Lancer addressed King as 'Father,' and also how King referred to him as a 'traitor'. A little kid would excitedly run up to their dad and say either "Dad!" or "Daddy!" And I highly doubt a kid would be referred to as a traitor

-Susie actually planned to bite his face off, and Ralsei didn't stop her. I'm sure as hell he wouldn't have let a young child get eaten like that. Also, Lancer called him his 'main man,' once again showing that they are similar in age. And if he were really a little kid, Lancer would have annoyed the living daylights out of Susie once they teamed up (ask her to play with him, ask a lot of questions and be overall annoying. Trust me, I've got younger cousins). But instead of that scenario, Susie says "We got bored, so we're having a snack" What does this mean? That Lancer did not act like an annoying little kid, simply because he isn't one. Don't even get me started on how people draw him, because holy hell, it seems to me that 1) most of the fandom is actually blind and doesn't see that he, Ralsei and Kris are all roughly 4 feet tall in the actual game or 2) they try to capture Lancer's childishness by drawing him as a toddler (except, the personality they give him isn't his real one in the first place, considering how he's never acted like a toddler once, so I really don't know what the point of drawing the poor guy like this even is)

-An argument I saw against Susie x Lancer was how "they've never acted romantic with each other" All I have to say in regards to that is how they've literally known each other for roughly 2 DAYS (+ Toby seems to want to make Suselle canon). I can't get behind how people think that love can blossom over such a short period of time. Not everyone believes in 'love at first sight,' and I'm one of those who don't. Crushes, yeah, but they are usually short-lived and always shallow. What we learn about Lancer is that he values sincerity and is very sincere himself (as we can see when Kris tries to compliment him twice) Plus, Susie never had any friends prior to Lancer, so jumping from friendship to romance just like that would be not only bad writing, but also unrealistic. The very reason I love Lancer is how there's no sudden romantic subplot linked to him, like Noelle's obsession with Susie and Ralsei's crush on Kris (I find both of these ships toxic as hell, but I don't want to talk about them here). Just to add something here: despite not moving any romantic subplot forward or being associated with one, Lancer isn't unfamiliar with the concept (as seen in CH2 when he calls himself handsome and admits to 'having fallen in love'). I honestly think that, much like Papyrus, Lancer isn't linked to any kind of romantic subplot simply because he's the comic relief, so it would affect the comedic part of his character

-Why is everyone complaining about this ship, but not a literal child (Frisk, who most people see as 8-12 years old), going on a date with an adult skeleton, Papyrus? (at least, people usually percieve him as a young adult, but he could also be a teenager) Either way, it isn't a small age gap. Also, why is Frans such a popular ship even though one character is a child (Frisk) and the other clearly an adult (Sans)? You could argue that Frisk's age hasn't been confirmed, and skeletons don't age because they're undead, but still, Papyrus and Sans were not introduced as, you know, skeleton boys, and yet somehow both ships are acceptable, but Susie x Lancer isn't? Not just that, but people age Frisk up when it comes to the Frans ship and there's far less hate for it than the ship that isn't even pedophilic?

-People are also totally fine with ships like Dipper x Wendy (Gravity Falls), Aang x Katara (ATLA), Toph x Sokka (also ATLA), Spike x Rarity (MLP:FiM), and such. There is a clear age gap in all of these pairings, but they're not seen as problematic in any way

-I bet that, if Ralsei had a childish personality, or literally any other character, they'd also be seen as a kid/toddler. Even a baby for some reason? I don't understand this. The way people perceive Lancer, when it comes to both height and personality, is completely different from how he acts in the game. Sure, he's loud, flamboyant and obnoxious, but also chill and sarcastic. And sure, Lancer does have the tendency to act dumber than average, but THAT'S THE POINT of a character who's a COMIC RELIEF

-"But King doesn't allow Lancer to say tier-two swear words!" Neither does Greg from Steven Universe, and Steven was 14. You know, a teenager. In case people are curious about which episode I'm talking about, it's "Beach City Drift". Basically, Greg doesn't allow Steven to say words like 'hate' and 'creep'. That's even worse than not allowing your teenage son (who is still a minor and therefore you still have authority over him) to say tier-two swear words!

-"Why does King make his people take care of Lancer if he isn't a little kid or allow him to eat from the Dark Candy tree?" To make sure he's acting like a proper prince and not the goofball he is deep down, if you ask me. And because he doesn't take the poor guy seriously. As for the Dark Candy; once again, eating sweets isn't considered 'princely' and, as I mentioned above, Lancer is still a minor, so King still has the authority to tell him what to do and punish him in whatever way he wants (having to take a shower every time he reads a swear word, possibly being starved, according to a few lines, and even being emotionally and physically abused). Emotionally, in the sense that King belittled him, made him feel worthless, ignored whatever Lancer had to say and used him in a manipulative way to achive his goal of serving the Knight (the first two points are guesses, while we saw the other two on screen). Physically, based on the fact that he becomes worried when he realizes his friends and his dad are gonna fight. I have no doubt that King was phyiscally violent towards him at least once, considering how terrified Lancer is. He knows what King is capable of because he himself experienced his wrath. I see Lancer's upbringing as that of a lonely, overprotected person, who's also royalty. There are a lot of examples of this type of upbringing, whether we're talking about real people or fictional characters (like Rapunzel, for example)

-Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender took over the Fire Nation at 16. This makes sense. I don't imagine Lancer being much younger when he took over the Card Kingdom

-"The reason why the guards obeyed Lancer when he told them to imprison Kris, Susie, and Ralsei is that King made them obey his every order!" Then why can Lancer make his own laws (+ he knows what the word means, which wouldn't be the case if he were too young) without asking RK for permission, and why do Lancer's people listen to him without complaining when he orders them not to attack/kill us at the beginning of CH2 (if we attacked the Darkeners in CH1)? King isn't in charge anymore, so it's not out of fear. They all clearly grew to respect Lancer and his authority. They wouldn't respect a child like this

-"In the stream, Toby said Lancer is a boy!" So what? We've got Ralsei, who people call 'fluffy boy,' and Susie, who's known as 'purple girl'. I bet Berdly and Noelle would also be known as 'bird boy' and 'reindeer girl'. Even Lancer refers to Kris, Ralsei, and Susie as 'boys or girls' In the same stream, when they got to the part where we first meet Lancer, someone said something along the lines of "Now it's time to replace the fluffy boy (Ralsei) with another boy (Lancer)" In other words, they're both referred to as boys and therefore must have similar ages. Yet SOMEHOW it's acceptable to ship Susie x Ralsei but not Susie x Lancer

-The Fun Gang (Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Lancer, Noelle, and probably Berdly too) is their friend group, right? It wouldn’t make sense for the five of them to be teens, and for Lancer to be the only one who’s a child. Deltarune is clearly a story about teenagers finding their place in the world

-King wouldn't have trusted a child with something as important to him as destroying Lightners

-The Jack of Spades (the card which Lancer represents) is associated with a young man, not a child

-The thing I absolutely can't stand is how people who headcanon Lancer as a little kid act like their headcanon is canon and somehow think that 'they're right while others 'are wrong'

-Him not understanding what a 'mom' is, if we really want to look too deep into this (which I doubt we should since Toby's characters are often comically exaggerated and act sillier than 'normal'), could have something to do with how Darkeners are created in the first place. We don't know anything about them if you think about it. Whether they are 'born' or not, or if they even age. Maybe everyone in the Dark World will always remain the way they are physically. We don't know yet

-Queen adopting him in order to take care of him makes sense, considering he is, you know, a minor. Saying he doesn't need a mother figure is like saying Kris doesn't need Toriel

-In the live stream I mentioned earlier, the team talked about Lancer's original concept art, and announced how he was originally going to ride a motorcycle (making him 16). I don't imagine that they'd age him down from 16 to, let's say, 10 years old ↓

-Another thing that might contribute to people seeing him as a "little kid" is his design. What I mean by this is how Lancer's "eyes" (if that face he made was canon and not just a meme) are not in alignment with the eyes of, let's say, Kris and Ralsei. I'm certain this has to do with his species (the spade he has for a head isn't a hoodie but a part of his body; I came to this conclusion after I saw how he can move the top part of his head up and down when he's happy/sad, kind of like what a dog does with its ears). And, let's imagine for a moment that the rest of the gang were the same species as Lancer; they'd all be the same height then, if we apply logic here. They'd also all be the same height if everyone were a human/goat/dino. In other words, Lancer is of completely average height for a spade. There's this logic going on in the fandom that, since Lancer isn't that tall + is goofy + isn't skinny, he's a little kid. But if he weren't chubby or immature, even if he remained on the shorter side, I 95% believe he'd be drawn normally, just like Kris is drawn

-I'm no good at math and numbers, but let's try to think logically once again. In Berdly's flashback, he and Noelle are seen participating in the spelling bee, making them 8 years old (that's the youngest kids can be in order to participate). In the present moment, they're roughly twice the size they used to be back then, right? That would make them around 15 or 16 currently, because 8+8=16. The exact same comparison can be linked to Lancer. When he was 8, he was shorter than he is now, as a teen ↓

-Also, here's a comparison of Monster Kid, Frisk, Sans, Lancer and Kris. It's clear, looking at the image below, that the first two are children, that Sans is a simply short adult, while the last two are teens ↓

-In the stream, Toby showed us some more concept art for Lancer. In this particular picture, we can see that he used Kris' height to design Lancer. Since we know Kris is a teenager, that must mean that Lancer is one too ↓ 

-Why does everyone think Lancer is younger than Susie? He could be older than her, but we don't know it, and probably never will because ages in UT were never canonized either

-"But Lancer looks up to Susie so he must be a lot younger!" I once again have to draw parallels between two fandoms. In Kung Fu Panda, Po looks up to Tigress even though they're on the same team and have similar ages. There's nothing weird about looking up to someone, whether they're older, younger, or the same age as you. Lancer idolizes Susie because she's tough, tall and physically strong (I repeat, it's all because of her species and NOT because she's older). Her age has nothing to do with her physical appearance

-Also, why do people think that when someone says 'I ship these two characters,' that automatically means they want them to do something sexual? Ships can be just romantic and sweet, you know?

-During the sleepover after chapter 2's pacifist route, Susie mentions how cool it would be if Ralsei and Lancer could come to visit the Light World and explains how Ralsei could be mistaken for Kris' cousin, as well as how Lancer would live under Kris' bed. Right after this, she excitedly says how all of them could walk to school together and be an unstoppable team. This is proof that all four of them are not only high schoolers, but also that the age gap between them isn't larger than 1 year (sophomores are between ages 15-16, so that would mean that Lancer (and probably Ralsei) is 15, while the other two are either 15 or 16). They must be sophomores because Catti has a job (Berdly too); you have to be 16, at least. Maybe 15. But definitely not younger than that. Again, no pedophilia here

-A little theory I have is that, in the end credits of the final chapter, we'll finally get to see Lancer riding a real motorcycle, but that's just what I'm hoping to see, and it may or may not age well. This would mean that he would have turned 16 by the end of the game

-Typical teeage behavior ↓

-And, most imporantly, THE TIME THE GAME ACTUALLY DEBUNKED IT. Now, I don't know how many people actually payed attention to this little moment (I found it on accident) ↓

Let's break this down into a few segments to understand it better: Lancer challenges Kris, Susie, and Ralsei to a race to their new rooms. Instead of saying "the last one there is a rotten egg," he, for the sake of the comedy and his unique speech pattern, says "the last one there is a fresh and fragrant egg" We can say that there is no deeper meaning behind this particular choice of words, but to me, a "fresh and fragrant egg" represents youth (adolescence).

Ralsei asks him why he's standing if they're supposed to be racing, and Lancer replies with: "I wanna be the egg!" According to my interpretation, he's trying to say how he wants to be "the loser," "the failure," "the underdog," or something similar. In other words, he wants to be the last/the worst.

Finally, he adds: "You won't get through your teen years without at least one Egg." Whether this is referring to how he wants to experience failure/ being the loser and finds it to be an important/essential part of growing up, or maybe there's some other meaning behind being an "Egg," it's clear as day now that he's a teenager. Any of them (Kris, Susie Ralsei, or Lancer) could have been "the egg" in this race if they had ended up last. We know that the other three are teens, and if Lancer is saying how he wants to experience being "the egg," and associates it as an essential part of being a teen, that means he's in the same boat as the others and is also a teen. "One Egg" is probably linked to failure as well, so if we translated the dialogue into a non-metaphorical one, it would go something like this:

"The last one there is a loser!"

"I wanna be the loser! You won't get through your teen years without being the loser at least once!"

So yeah, that's all the reasons why Lancer is NOT a little kid. Thanks to anyone who read all this. And if you're still gonna be a hater, then ok. Waste your time insulting random people on the internet and make them feel terrible about themselves for having an opinion (though, it's not even an opinion after the final point) about a work of fiction, instead of enjoying the things you want to enjoy and minding your own business

P.S. I may have forgotten to mention a few more arguments: 1) Lancer is strong enough to carry Susie's entire weight on his back/head; what little kid could do that? 2) Lancer's attacks are numerous and strong enough to make SUSIE, THE PHYSICALLY STRONGEST member of the team, FLINCH. 3) At the hospital, Rudy mentions something about Noelle playing a "children's" game, I think it was in ch2, gotta go check, but the point is, Rudy (and Queen, by calling them children a few times) considers these teenagers to be "children" Which honestly makes a lot of sense since they're all still under 18. 4) There is not a SINGLE "little kid" in this entire game. Let's see here... we have Kris, Ralsei, Susie, Noelle, Berdly, Temmie, Monster Teen, Snowy, Catti and Jockington... who are ALL 'big kids' (teenagers). And you're trying to tell me the only person who's 10 years old is Lancer?? Get outta here. 5) It makes sense that Deltarune is about teens. Why? Because it is supposed to be a 'more mature' game than Undertale. Teenagers go through all the stuff DT characters go through (family problems, depression, loneliness, crushes, feeling clueless about who you truly are etc.) Lancer has family problems, he used to be lonely, and he was completely misguided because of his dad. Typical teenage problems he's experiencing here. 6) I don't expect a kid who's 10 years old or less to be into motorcycles. That's logically a teen thing. Otherwise we'd see him ride normally on a bicycle with a helmet on, just wanting to play, like, you know, a child. 7) Oh yeah, and Toriel mentioned something about Susie being a bad influence on Kris, so there's that. Lancer and Noelle ("I wish I could do crazy stuff like you...") willingly look up to Susie, while Kris and Ralsei are unwillingly influenced by her (at least, Ral was). This is called *peer pressure* Because they're all teens. But Susie's dominant. So... yeah.

Anyway, I don't care what people ship. I'm fine if you hate susancer. It's not for everyone. What DOES piss me off so much though is the lack of respect Lancer gets, how he's treated as this "bouncy little pumpkin uwu" despite being one of, if not, the most useful character in the game plot-wise so far + a great comedic relief. I'm sick of him being drawn and treated as a toddler. So sick of it.

I get that the kids in the fandom still lack critical thinking, but older teens and adults, too?

In any case, I'm signing off for real this time. Thanks for reading.

[raining-anonymously]

ok i've been thinking about the card kingdom. we all know the deal—they lived in harmony with the lightners (presumably meaning they were played with as the majority are toys), until one day the classroom was abandoned and locked up.

obviously, this did not have a good affect on the darkners, even leaving the king of spades vulnerable to manipulation by the knight. for reference, i imagine the timeline to be something like

classroom abandoned -> gaster or whoever contacts jevil -> jevil locked away -> knight contacts spade -> spade conquers the other kings -> the closet door is opened -> deltarune ch 1 begins.

oh yeah, and at some point the fountain starts existing.

anyway, when the classroom was first locked up, everyone was just kinda chilling. there was no knight, or gaster(??), or grim awareness that your world doesn't exist. only a wide variety of negative emotions resulting from the lightners' abandonment.

i imagine rouxls and jevil would feel some of the least effect, seeing as they were never played with much to begin with, being the rules card and the oft-discarded joker respectively. and based on lancer seeming to know nothing about lightners other than his dad's propaganda, as well as lancer being a literal child, i'd say he wasn't conscious/has no memory of before the lightners left. maybe clover too, since she seems a bit on the younger side.

but the other cards definitely feel the effects, and we know that the king of spades was furious. the chess pieces and the blocks and the top and whatnot all likely experienced a loss as well. but—and this may just be me indulging Blorbo Thoughts—the character who i think would be affected incredibly severely is seam.

think about it. when we ask seam about the lightners, the way they're described is almost reverential. gods, creators, those who gave the darkners purpose, and all said with a smile... seam's surpassing ralsei-levels of lightner worship there. and despite dismissing susie and kris and their hero status, seam does appear to recognize their power by the end of chapter 1/start of chapter 2, implying they'll be able to defeat more jevil-level enemies. there's even some—dare i say—hope? anyway, right after the whole "lightners are so cool" spiel, Seam's expression turns noticeably grim while recounting the lightner's abandonment—only to immediately take up an educational, objective tone, sharing history with the lancer fun squad without any of seam's own feelings about the matter. seam definitely did feel personally abandoned, choosing to use the phrase "left US behind," specifically including seam's own self in the pronoun usage. then seam mentions that even among the king's own troops, some still distantly hope the lightners will return... while smiling. read into that as you will.

now, all this dialogue is very interesting (or not if that isn't your thing), but why would seam be more affected by the abandonment than, say, a card? well, seam happens to be a plush toy. not only that, but one that has clearly been loved to the point of needing many repairs. we've all seen the theories that seam was catti's doll, or toriel's, or whoever's-else's, but what all these have in common is that seam was someone's beloved plushie. to go from being a favorite among lightners, or even one special lightner, to complete isolation from those who gave seam purpose—well, that couldn't have been fun. sure, at first seam had jevil, but that. uh. really did not end well.

by the time we meet seam, poor cat's definitely got some ~abandonment issues~, but these are purposely played off by establishing to us early on that seam does not care about anything. "it makes no difference to me." "that's nothing." etc. seam even encourages us not to buy things from the seap, and why would you need to buy from seam's old wares when there's a music shop? and honestly, the signs point to seam believing that even if the lightners did return, nothing would change or go back to the way it was. to quote seam, "Neither Light nor Dark hold a future for a Darkner in my condition."

anyway if seam does not get All the Happy Endings i am going to replay undertale and stop at the dog room and keep the annoying dog trapped in my inventory forever out of pure spite

[rangarlamamicado]

Post of a dream I had about chapter 3's release. It was pretty fuckin' crazy but fortunately I remember lots of details about it and what happened in it as well as footage and funny moments of weird shit, and shit I saw on Twitter about it as well in my dream? Strap in.

Okay so I remember it opening in the ruins which makes sense, but instead of it being purple like the normal ruins, it's dimly lit like the room you fall on the flowers in? And rather than arriving on the flowerbed and going right, you start on an altar... and go down and left.

It was actually the door to leave the ruins where you fought Toriel I believe now that I recall, but when you walked left as if to go upstairs, a song begins playing (I talk about it later...) and you see pillars leading to a giant open space that looked like the promo art for undertale with Toriel.

Anyways, you wake up and Susie is like confused if this is a dream, but plays along, commenting on how she might see Noelle there too. Depending on what route you took Noelle might actually show up, but I'll get to that in a bit. On Twitter in the dream I saw some spoilers.

Where you encounter the Dummy, it's replaced by the Mad Dummy, and you have to face them after Susie jokingly hits the dummy, not knowing someone's using it. Also, you rematch Lancer after it's revealed this place's fountain is made of pure darkness. Ralsei doesn't show up...

Also, it's weird because Lancer became a giant Jojo style badass??? I think Rouxles powers him up with the control crown or medieval ginger ale or almond milk or something silly. It was a lot like Pluto's rematch from Omori if you know how that goes. It was hilariously bad too.

Susie also busts literally everything in the perspective puzzle rooms just before Toriel's house. She just starts ripping shit out of walls and crawling in and solving it from inside. Also Frobbits start showing up and Kris does something sketchy offscreen... the Frobbits don't come back.

There's also a major detail I remember, but throughout the entire ruins, rather than an instrumental that plays... Toriel sings a version of 'My Castle Town' with lyrics. I don't remember what they said, but I think it resembled Lifelight from Smash Bros in the sense of symbolism.

Also, I remember that, because Susie messes with the puzzles, a "mommy-protected security system" goes off that Toriel set up because the ruins are dangerous and she didn't want Kris or Susie to get out without her help because of the danger... and they have to escape fire magic.

A version of Heartache plays during the chase sequence, and after that Susie begins to question whether they're in the dark world for real or not, and you can affirm or deny it. Also, it's revealed that the festival is occurring, and Toriel is hosting "her house of horrors,"

Toriel didn't understand that you were responsible for the fountain, but it comes from where you begin in Undertale. She thinks you set it up, and thanks you for the fun attraction, but calls it dangerous, and realizes you did this. This shocks Susie, but your route dictates this.

If you chose to commit to Snowgrave, Susie realizes that you also probably killed Berdly, and either Toriel and Susie or just Toriel engages based on your route, but if Susie and Toriel fight you, you have to survive until Noelle comes and saves you, in which she freezes Toriel.

Susie would ask what she's doing, but rather than her dialogue box having any text, it's like that one meme of Mr. Incredible's face, and whether you 'know' or not. I'll be attempting to recreate Noelle's expression, but it terrified me. I don't know what happens after this.

Also to clarify it seems like the door staying open in the light world leading to the dark world as well as Toriel hosting her house as a "house of horrors" was pre-planned, hence why Noelle shows up, figuring Susie was in there. Toriel uses Asgore's belongings she took in the divorce as the 'horror'.

Also I wasn't sure what year it was, but a trailer was released with it detailing the footage of it I saw, which confused me, but it actually released on 10/18, and I think it was of 2021? Everyone was shocked at its speedy release, but it didn't feel real, and I wish it was real.

Also, side note, the first shot of the ruins with that undertale promo shot was actually where the fountain was, and Toriel was there serenading its "protector" which is gone by when you arrive. Flower? Knight? Mike? Gaster? Who knows, neither do we, but that's all I know.

Feel free to AMA on the details, I dream vividly and if you care I might recall details I was unsure of, but with the popularity of the salt route and prunsel that's the only reason I felt compelled to share this. I hope of you see this you found it entertaining.

[lancerious]

King lol

YUUUUS I was hoping someone would ask about King! I have a fair few things to say about him, hehe...

This is sorta canon already, as a few of King's face sprites do show this, but I think King has a couple scars on his face. Whether they're from when he battled the other kings or he got them as a result of his battle with Kris, Susie, and Ralsei, he has scars on his face.

King and Queen divorced when Lancer was about two or three years old, maybe four. This way, Lancer is old enough to know who his mother is, but not necessarily old enough to have a true bond with her or know her extremely well. Lancer calls all of his parental figures "Dad" in some way, and by the end of Chapter 2, Lancer is calling Queen "Girldad" instead of just "Mom" or "Mother".

King was, at one point or another, a truly good father to Lancer. I do not care what some people in the UT/DR fandom say. I will stand behind this opinion/piece of lore until the day I die. I mean, who gave Lancer his bike? Rouxls Kaard? Rouxls Kaard doesn't strike me as the type who would gift Lancer a bike. Rouxls Kaard is nice to Lancer, sure, and he may seem to like Lancer and actively care for him, but still. Another possibility is that it was Queen, but ehhh...I'm not too sure about her either. We know very little about King's backstory. It's entirely possible that he treated Lancer as a true son and gifted him his bike.

I think King was temporarily controlled by the Knight during his boss fight in Chapter 1. If King was not ever controlled by the Knight, he at least has some strong connection to them. He literally praises the Knight during his battle. He is the only Darkner who has done so, at least so far. Call me crazy, but I believe King will rebel against the Knight by the end of the game. I don't have any reason as to why King would do this, but I'm sure Lancer will have something to do with it.

King may or may not know some of the Lightners from Hometown. I saw a post someone made about how a few Lightners were aware of the Dark World long before Kris, Susie, Noelle, and Berdly came along, and it definitely could be a possibility. We don't know how long the lifespans of Darkners are. Since they're based off of objects from Hometown, they could be centuries old as far as we know.

Going back to Lancer, King, and the Knight for a minute, I don't think King was a horrible father to Lancer at all. I believe the Knight had some say in imprisoning the other kings and having King himself rule with an iron fist, but even then, King was still not a horrible father to Lancer. There are some subtle things in the game that hint at this. And besides, if King was as horrible of a father as some make him out to be, Lancer would likely be much more willing to let Susie, Kris, and Ralsei meet King and knock some sense into him. But Lancer is not like this at all. He's the complete opposite. He only lets Susie, Kris, and Ralsei free once he is fully convinced everything will turn out okay.

Before the other kings were locked up, King got along decently with them. I wouldn't say they were best buddies, but they had to at least tolerate one other, since they were all ruling the Dark World together at one point. I think Jevil went insane and was imprisoned when all four kings were ruling together.

Speaking of the other kings, I wouldn't be surprised if King knew them ever since they were all kids. Granted, we know absolutely nothing about King's childhood, so this is more of a headcannon than simply lore, but I think this has some possibility.

King knows some of the Darkners from Cyber World. He obviously knows about Queen lol, but he could know of a few others as well. Tasque Manager is one possibility, as she is aware of Jevil. I think all Dark Worlds are connected together in some fashion.

That's all I can think of for now. I may have more lore ideas/opinions, but this is what you'll get right now. Thanks for the suggestion ^-^!

[mymarifae]

Ok but here's a fun thing: which characters from ut/dt are most like characters from proseka? Papyrus and Tsukasa are the same to me

omg this is like the most fun question i have ever been asked. i love you

l/n

honami: i think honami and noelle are the same person basically. they are both so giving and so sweet and just... have similar speech habits and mannerisms tbh!?! and they both struggle with standing up for themselves, and they have a habit of just going along with something they don't want to do at all.

vbs

kohane: also noelle! i think kohane and honami's issues come together to like... perfectly encompass what noelle is going through. i will say noelle isn't nearly as shy as kohane is. which is why i ultimately think she's more like honami

toya: kris......... i think this one's self-explanatory. they both even have Issues with pianos what the hell

akito: i've thought about it. and my final statement is that susie is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more like akito than like. berdly, as an ask i got a while back suggested to me (though the similarities are still there). just like susie, akito has an INSANE amount of emotional intelligence for his age and he's freakin'!!!!! attentive. he Notices the smallest of things (ie: end of the current event in the english version of the game - when an is struggling with her feelings of sudden jealousy over kohane's singing abilities and the fear of being inadequate [i assume that's where this is about to go, anyway] akito notices!! like immediately!). neither of them mince words - taking more of a 'tough love' approach. you can SEE and FEEL how much they both love their friends, even if they both rely a little too much on their 'Tough Guy' personas.

wxs

tsukasa: you're right he and papyrus are literally the same person. and i love them both so much. they'd be best friends

emu: ...........temmie

rui: sans. bye.

nene: kris again. they are like the ultimate combination of nene and toya. autism machine

n25

kanade: if i say kris again will you be mad at me

mafuyu: if i say kris again will y

ena: mad mew mew actually. speaks for itself. probably

mmj

airi: also mad mew mew. my proof: trans girls, pink, catgirls, and both of them have some serious issues

shizuku: catty is like. louder. than shizuku so we're pushing it but i'm going to say catty anyway

vocaloids

luka: n25-luka reminds me of seam... like. a little mischievous, wise, there if you need them but won't over-involve themselves... etc.

len: VBS-len and lancer are like the same person to me and i can't explain. either you get it or you don't unfortunately

ralsei reminds me of the role all the vocaloids take in project sekai. y'know the whole like, being a reflection of a person's true feelings, the feelings they must confront if they're going to thrive and be happy. honestly i think there's a good chance that fulfilling the prophecy is secondary in ralsei's mind and he's more focused on trying to help namely kris and susie past their issues so they can face the rest of their lives. (and he's neglecting his own personal development because he believes he exists only for this purpose...) but there isn't any specific vocaloid in any of the sekais that he reminds me most of

i'm not sure if i'd say wxs-kaito and vbs-meiko are super similar to toriel, but they are both Mom so. idk. the three of them can be PTA moms together or something

[rosepetalwings]

(kicks down your door) i hear you are a connoisseur of gaster + rouxls or something?

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WHY, YES THE FUCK I AM!!! thank u for kicking down my door, please have a seat! oh no, just leave the splinters n stuff there, just sit and i'll start on some coffee for u uwu

literally its a godtier ship and i need u guys to understand how good it is or else i'll scream

firstly, taking into account their characters: they're both overdramatic silly dorks. with rouxls, its kind of self explanatory. that's his whole deal! "but spooky, how ever is gaster similar to rouxls in this fashion?" i hear you cry in concern like a sickly bedridden victorian era child from the ether, while i wonder how people are yet still finding my house to talk about a ship,

WHAT is more dramatic than that line? everyone presumes this to be gaster, yes? and he sounds like a big dork!! he sounds like a goofy DM having a blast thrusting upon u his newest plots he spent a week planning before u all met for this round of DnD! and from this, and the "gash weaves down as if you cry" poem, i really do believe gaster isnt going to be some senseless Big Bad, but rather, a man... a flawed man but a man nonetheless.

he is not a good man, if we are to believe he's orchestrated many things in deltarune, but i hardly believe he's doing it out of like. some innate cruelty or Evil quality or anything like that. i think he has a reason for his actions, and he feels very strongly about achieving his goals like this, even if he's going about it in a Presumably bad way... he is just a man... and i can empathize with that...

now, i know you're probably wonder Why And How this fucking Worms For Brains duke of puzzles complements him in a way that'd make me want to die on this hill of a ship. yeah rouxls is a favorite of mine but i really think they have a hidden depth to them thats beyond crackship territory! (and lest ye be reminded, fellow fandom Olds, papyton had originally started as a "crackship" itself despite its popularity now)

to start: lets talk about rouxls kaard, duke of puzzles

rouxls... is a strangely complex character, the more you look at him past his hilarious failures. he's... utterly fucking ridiculous with that speech quirk of his but lancer LOVES him despite not being his "real" dad. and when rouxls outright denies all connection to him and complains about the young Jack to the heroes? interesting. even more interesting when he admits some level of care/love for the boy shortly after.

rouxls is petty, vindictive, a liar, dramatic, and hates being wrong but... lancer loves him. and rouxls loves him back. he's stated to be the one that cooks and cleans in the castle, and is implied to have knitted that lacy scarf you can buy for ralsei and therefore helped lancer knit those itchy beanies for the puzzle guys, and gives lancer ginger ale when he's sick. he's literally the new step dad. he presumably finds it hard to claim parenthood over lancer but he DOES love lancer and cared for him more than spade king was implied to...

moreover, rouxls seems desperate to be the number 2 to someone's Big Bad again. that was pretty plainly stated in chapter 2. and who are we thinking's gonna be the secret villainous character (thats probably mostly alright if he stopped doing fuckshit) of DR? oh gaster? oh alright.

so we have 2 overdramatic, presumably villainous men that are probably not as bad as initially thought that most definitely have a chance to interact through one of them's need to be someone's high level henchman to feel fulfilled and that previous relationship of the same exact kind was implied to be Kinda Gay through certain framing and theyre both elegant goths and care a lot abt their goals and are dorks and one of them could help the other Fucking Dominate at engineering puzzles?

oh okay. new ship i'll fucking die for ig!!

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[missarchivistdoodles]

how bout some in general headcannons for deltarune? Do you like chapter 1 or chapter 2 better?

I like chapter 2 better than chapter 1 because it feels larger and more polished. As for general headcannons?

1. Ralsei is a sneaky bastard and you cannot convince me otherwise. He knows too much, he keeps showing up, and he walks with his hands behind his back. Nobody does that unless they're evil! I don't think he's outright evil, but he is definitely NOT telling the truth/the whole story. Also what's in his basement? WHAT'S IN THE BASEMENT GOAT BOY?!?!

2. Spamton & the Addisons are brothers - this is my personal take. I like the idea of family drama and family fluff and reuniting etc. etc., it just gives me warm fuzzies to think of them accepting him back, as you can see from Warning: Battery Low. Which is going to make my other story (working title is Begrudge) an exercise in imagination, because while there is a family reunion, it is not a happy one. ;3

3. Queen was NOT married to Spade King. I get that they're king and queen, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Also she doesn't seem to recognize Lancer at all or really acknowledge him until Castle Town (unless I'm forgetting something?). I also don't think she's a completely batshit insane evil ruler, I think SHE thinks she's a benevolent ruler, but is working in what she believes the best interests of her people are, not what they actually are. Also what the hell is her dialogue? I have so much trouble writing her, otherwise she would have been in more of W:BL.

4. Swatch is the Swatchlings eldest brother, and they care deeply for them. They're not afraid of maice because they always had to protect their younger siblings from them. I do like Swatchton, but I in now way think it's cannon. They could have just as easily been good friends instead of lovers.

5. Susie + Noelle = adorable and I am rooting for them!

6. Mike is the TV character we see at the end of chapter 2 and will appear in chapter 3. This may be more of a hope than a headcannon, but damn am I hoping! I'm also really, REALLY hoping that Toby will see everyone's love for Jevil & Spamton (and the other five puppets to come) and will give them a happy ending through their armor/weapon returning them to their darkner form in the end and letting them live happily ever after in Castle Town.

7. Rouxls Kaard is an adorable squishy man who was abused at the hands of Spade King and is just trying to find a place in the world that fits him, and in doing so he comes across as insufferable and an asshole when really he's desperate to belong and have someone to serve. I think if some of the other characters offered him some patience and sympathy Rouxls could flourish in a job, but...he's just so oblivious about how others perceive him that he's never going to get the chance. Also he's hilarious and whenever I say 'God Dammit' now I do it with a pause between the words.

[mimicmew]

(shakes you) KRIS AND SUSIE HCS

my two favourite weird kids <3

Kris

- They/them. if you misgender Kris im going to kill you irl

- I think they're actually a bit more talkative than we're lead on to believe, at least when around their friends and family

- Autistic, likes biting things and gets very jumpy when excited.

- Absolute weird kid energy, would probably microwave rocks for fun <3

- Very clingy, whether intentionally or not.

- Does NOT like being touched without a warning. if you put your hands on their shoulders without telling them they will kick you.

- They like Ralsei, but they're just a bit nervous around him.

- The knife is a comfort item. do not separate them.

Susie

- She/they, doesn't really think about gender too much.

- Lesbian, womenkisser if you will.

- It's still a bit too early for me to make a full call, but I get bad feelings about her home life :(

- They tend to push people away if they don't care about them.

- Lancer is now her little brother. It's true.

- has not used a hairbrush since she was like 7 /hj

- what if.. she had ADHD. Yeah no one in this town is Neurotypical sorry not sorry <3

- She likes chewing on things alot, mainly tough foods or pens.

[neitherlightnordark]

have you done kris for the character impression thing yet? if not, then kris pls!

[I.D.: A screenshot of an ask from @thesoupisburning that says "can't believe no one's asked kris yet!!! (also sorry if i'm going a bit too much with these haha i jusst like to hear ur opinions :-)". End I.D.]

no i have not!!! and YES the entire lancer fun squad is HERE <3

First impression - this. uhhh. sure is a child?? i like their dark world design :) but... who are they? why... aren't they saying anything? why didn't they get a say in the gang choosing names? [watches them rip out the red soul] this sure is a child!

More first impression - no but seriously long after i finished deltarune i kept on sitting in bed and thinking about... the hot chocolate (kris' hot chocolate), how they stood up to protect susie, how the red soul has been possessing them this whole time, and i was just like, man. there's something going on with kris deltarune. and i want to know who they are.

Impression now - I LOVE THEM I LOVE KRIS DELTARUNE i love them with my whole heart and my, uh, and my brain and they they they they are such a good protagonist and whatever they're doing with the fountain at the end of chapter 2 good for them honestly i would let this child drag me into the void i am going to protect them no matter what and i am so surprised they're getting mildly decent grades despite being possessed and getting no sleep they really shouldn't have to do that

Favorite moment - i can't say the entirety of chapter 2 can i. okay. specifically with spamton those moments are so terrifying because kris is scared, they're almost never scared otherwise. and how they tell susie and kris to stay out while they go to meet him... it... oh man kris, how do i tell them that they don't have to be alone through this! not literally, because the red soul is possessing them all the time- OH ALSO when they rip the soul out and climb out the window and all you can hear is water. why are all my favorite moments of kris them terrifying me. maybe it's what they'd want

Unpopular opinion - i think kris deltarune isn't actually normal. i... know how this looks but trust me on this. there's so many hints in-game that kris deltarune isn't actually normal, and so many people just gloss over these and focus on other moments, and... okay fine i'm really sorry about this controversial opi

Ideas for a story - you know the vibes of the beginning of cyber city and kris going into the spamton alleyhole? what if that was just an entire chapter? just kris and the red soul's thoughts, in the dark world, doing things. and slowly, slowly, over the course of the journey since it's so long, they start to... communicate. to... slowly start to show more of themselves, just a little. that'd be really cool i think.

Favorite relationships - kris and noelle kris and susie kris and ralsei kris and lancer kris and the entirety of the lancer fun squad kris and queen kris and spamton kris and OKAY LOOK THEY'RE JUST. they're just so good. with everyone. and i love them

[fictionkinfessions]

I can't fucking believe that not only have I kinned Susie for MONTHS somehow NOT KNOWING but I have an entire playlist tailor made for her that's hidden in the middle of ANOTHER kin playlist. What the hell

Anyway so I guess I'm Susie and boy do I love my 2 (two) friends and Lancer even though I know Ralsei only gives a damn because of the legend and all that and he'd like anyone else who was in my place. Kinda muddies my emotions a bit but I still care about him. And Lancer's a great buddy but he's also like a 9 year old cousin or sibling, I wouldn't expect him to get me like, emotionally. Noelle is attracted to me and she's nice but she's nice to everyone and that attraction is only skin deep so my emotions there are complex also, I wouldn't even count her as a friend yet. I think the only person who really gets me is Kris. And uh, for all the weird shit out of my depth, I still get them too. Fucked up SOUL or not, they're my buddy and I'll be fucking damned if they're tackling this on their own.

Uh to any other dr kinnies out there take care of yourselves guys

-Susie ⚜️ (Deltarune)

[paprus-teutonic-knight]

100% real.

Well, get ready everyone: It's time for the awkward Halkman's slow dance!!!