#Justice League the sixth dimension

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Batman’s look of surprise and intrigue at Old Man Superman’s appearance

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[thevindicativevordan]

Do you think the Sixth dimension Superman from Scott Snyder's run would be a good look for an older Supe ?

Yes.

Well suited for the Old Superman of PKJ's House of El future in how it evokes regality without actually putting a crown on Clark, but not an outfit I think every elder Superman would wear. Can never go wrong with a Jorge Jimenez redesign.

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"#if the depiction is aware of the context of this image #and why it's so fucked #then yeah I'm into it"

well I'm not aware of the context but now I'd like to be 👀

Haha, oh boy. Apologies for how long this is, but I felt some context is useful. (And there's even more context than all of this!)

Alright, so here again is the panel in question:

Out of context, we have Bruce praising his friend Clark for making him believe in the impossible, and Clark happy to have a friend who believes in him.

In context...

This image is from Justice League (2018) #25, which takes place in the lead-up to Dark Nights: Death Metal. The full storyline, "The Sixth Dimension," starts in #19, but long story extremely short, in their attempts to find a viable plan to stop the consequences of breaking the Source Wall that surrounds the multiverse, the League finds themselves going up against another version of the League in a future dimension of their own multiverse, except for Clark, who is trapped on a dark planet in a pocket universe.

Silver Fox Clark turns out to be the World Forger. He says that the perfect world he's shown the rest of the League up to this point is the only version of the multiverse where the League ensured the multiverse's survival. They did so by determining which beings would side with doom instead of justice, and then locked up or killed all those beings to ensure the multiverse survives judgment. (If you want any of this to make more sense, you'll have to read Snyder's whole multiverse thing.) To prevent the impending calamity, the World Forger wants to replace the present multiverse with this future one.

The League refuses, of course… except Batman expresses doubt. So the World Forger sends the others to be imprisoned on Apokolips, but he talks with Bruce one-on-one.

The World Forger says Bruce needs to convince the rest of the League. He also says that it's possible Clark will escape the dark planet, and no doubt doom the whole plan.

And Bruce chooses.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN

So that's bad! Also, to make it worse, we learn that Future Bruce achieved this future by brainwashing everyone before he died, but that's a weirdly small detail.

Of course the League escapes Apokolips and find themselves battling not just the World Forger and their future brainwashed selves, but Batman. During this fight, Bruce tries to convince his team that the World Forger's plan is the only way they can save everything. In the meantime, Clark is struggling to complete the flight out of the pocket universe.

Clark gets to the suns via the power of will and love and all that good stuff, and he makes it back! He stops the World Forger from overwriting the multiverse, and then Bruce explains his thinking.

Yay! They found another way forward! So let's just glide past:

1) Bruce agreeing not only that the World Forger's plan was likely their only chance, but that the League had a better chance of winning if Clark died. 2) Bruce giving Clark a chance to prove his doubt wrong by pushing the suns further away from Clark. It was entirely up to Clark if he had the hope and will to travel even further than he originally had to in order to get back. (I keep thinking that Bruce had to have meant he figured out how to put the suns in a better position for Clark to get to them, but he explicitly does not say that.) 3) How if Clark didn't manage to make it back, Bruce was fully prepared to align with the World Forger and brainwash his friends.

Admittedly, yes, if you read the whole storyline, there are many pages of Clark struggling to get out of the pocket universe, even before Bruce moves the suns. The reader is meant to understand that Bruce pushing Clark even harder is what made this victory possible.

But that doesn't mean that Clark responding like "aw, shucks, thanks" isn't wildly fucked!

To be clear, I'm not saying there aren't superbat fans who share the initial panel because they like exploring how Bruce's bonkers behavior affects Clark, and how that behavior gets repeatedly dismissed as Bruce just being a loner with a heart of gold. But when that image gets posted in isolation, inevitably some of the people who share it will be those who prefer a rosier view of superbat, and sorry, it's just funny.

Read comics: you'll understand more, and it'll ruin everything!

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Justice League #24:The Sixth Dimension

by Scott Snyder; Jorge Jimenez; Alejandro Sanchez and Tom Napolitano

DC

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the sixth dimension stuff is in his justice league run which was pretty bad in general

ohhh ty for explaining

to the best of my knowledge I haven't read his justice league run yet... I think I read the first 8 or so issues of the 2018 justice league run? I don't know the writer on that one

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Justice League (2018) Vol 4: The Sixth Dimension by Scott Snyder and Jorge Jimenez

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Lost ideas that might have been

My name is Andrew Kind if you're reading this I am now dead at my own hand. Over the years I have come up with many  story ideas specifically regarding DC Comics and its characters,  at  one point I had hoped to be a writer for DC and make these ideas a reality however given where I am now that's no longer possible however I realized I didn't want to great Lady Death without these ideas surviving in some way so I'm writing them down in this document, if anyone finds these ideas after my end and is inspired to try and make them a reality they have my blessing to do so, the contents of this doc will brief summaries or even shorter notes 

Earth 20306

Despite its long lasting popularity the original Teen Titans animated series has never been made an alternate universe in the DC cosmology so I gave it a designation of my own, I chose Earth 20306 because the series began in 2003 and ended in 2006, if I did end up writing for DC I would try to incorporate the Titans of that universe in a number of stories

Before The Metaverse

In Geoff Johns 12 issue Watchmen/DC Universe crossover Doomsday Clock the main universe where most of DC's comic book stories take place in was revealed to be a "metaverse" that acted as the heart of all reality with Superman acting as the heart of it with every continuity reboot and change in it reshaping the greater cosmos, at the end of the series it was revealed that every time the metaverse changes the event of  Superman's rocket landing on Earth gets pushed forward in time and that the event has been happening in every era since prehistoric man, when I read that I wanted to know what came before the metaverse and eventually came up with the idea that maybe what came before was a version of existence that was more grand, divine and complex than anything we've seen before

Batman: The King of Crime

In the silver age of comics it was revealed that Joe Chill the man who killed Batman's parents Thomas and Martha Wayne was a hired gun for Lew Moxon a gangster who ordered Chill to kill Thomas because he sent him to prison, despite this making Batman's origin more interesting this story element was never used in the comics again, I decided that not only would I bring Moxon back but would make him a contender to be Batman's greatest enemy, the idea would be that Moxon was actually the survivor of a previous version of reality (quite possibly one that came before the metaverse) and was given the ability to survive the destruction and reboots of reality by some unknown dark being in exchange Moxon would have to be responsible for always  creating every version of Batman so one day they could all be combined into a vessel for the dark being, the story that would have all this would be called King of Crime (which is what Moxon would call himself) The story would take place across all Bat books and it would end with Tim Drake being killed (I would also want in writing that they wouldn't bring him back for at least 3 years)

Justice League: Parabrahman 

I don't know if this was supposed to be a stand alone graphic novel, a mini series, or a story arc in whatever ongoing Justice League title would be out at the time, basically the league are lead around by a mysterious being (The Phantom Stranger perhaps?) on a journey through the various levels of existence with the promise of reaching the highest point and learning one of the secret truths behind everything, in the end it's revealed that there is no highest point because the secret is there's always something beyond, even beyond absolutes like infinity, God/omnipotence,  even existence itself, it would also be revealed that like death, nothingness is an illusion, I would want to incorporate metafictional concepts that have never been done before, so I wouldn't start writing until those had been worked out 

The nature of God and Creation

After I read The Sixth Dimension story arc in Scott Snyder's Justice League series I started to wonder not only if The Presence, The Source and The Overvoid were all different forms/aspects of God, but what if God and by extension all Omnipotent beings came from the seventh dimension, this would mean that all beings from the 8th dimension onward were more than Omnipotent and more powerful than God, at some point later I came up with the idea that maybe the true purpose of creation and the real reason behind all the crises and reboots is that creation is supposed to evolve to the point that it transcends its creator, in other words creation goes past God and starts on a perhaps never ending journey through the endless transfinities, everythings and beyonds that lay outside of God  

Superman Run

I wanted to do a run on Superman as a lead up to my big DC event the reason being that the event would be the most transformative to the DCU since Crisis on Infinite earths so it only seemed right that the lead up focus on the character that the DCU started with, I would also make Superman more flawed (so he could actually be interesting for once) such as two instances of him doing drugs one would be a flashback issue of him, Pete, and Lana as teenagers in Smallville trying pot for the first time (I have this hilarious image in mind of Clark floating in the sky in his sleep because of the weed in mind) the other would be him doing peyote in the present and it would result in Myxyzptlyk taking him on the same kind of journey the Justice League would have gone on in Parabrahman (the whole thing would be an homage to Animal Man’s peyote trip during Grant Morrison’s series)

Transcendence (Big DC Event)

This event would be the culmination of everything I would have written for DC at this point, The story would be that God's true opposite as well as the true source of all evil in creation The Anti-God is destroying creation to prevent it from transcending God,this story would have literally every version of every DC character and location from the past and present not just from the comics but from all media, the story would end with Superman gaining Super Omnipotence, defeating the Anti-God and moving creation itself to what lies above God thusly completely transforming it, this would be the first event to reboot everything in the DCU EXCEPT its history but it wouldn't be the last as transcendence events would replace crisis events

DC Comics Presents (Animated Series)

Around the time the DC Nation programming block came on Cartoon Network I came up with my ideal DC Comics animated series the premise would be basically the same as as the Showcase shorts that come with DC Universe animated movies where each episode would focus on one aspect of DC (it could either be one character or multiple) the main differences would be

There would be far less restrictions, it could be any version of any character(s) form any previously shown universe from any medium as well as entirely new versions (maybe even both)

The episodes would potentially lead into bigger story arcs

One episode I had in mind would be a sequel to the original Teen Titans animated series, it would take place years in the future and focus on Raven

The Truth About The Fifth Dimension

Since The Fifth Dimension is imagination itself it is a semi all encompassing realm that contains all imaginable versions of itself with all imaginable origins (there is a possibility that Monitor-Mind The Overvoid is somehow a version of the fifth dimension), it also contains all imaginable versions of realities with dimensions lower than it and leads to all imaginable beyonds above it 

Demiurge

A demiurge is a nigh omnipotent being who does godlike feats of creation on a planetary, galactic, universal, multiversal, or even omniversal scale

Meta Cosmic

Meta Cosmic is anything or anyone beyond such accepted absolutes as infinity, omnipotence, etc

Meta  Conceptual

Meta conceptual is everything that ranges from the meta cosmic to the unknowable

Pata Conceptual

Pata Conceptual is everything beyond the unknowable to beyond what any consciousness can perceive 

For every universe…..

It’s possible that every single universe is connected to an infinite amount of cosmologies each one infinite itself (containing small things like dimensions, multiverses and omniverses up to

things beyond entire everythings and omni truths or the equivalent of) this would mean that every single universe is in a state of omni super position 

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Justice League: The Sixth Dimension

[countessbatman]

Top 7 Favorite Comics of 2019 - #3 - Justice League #19-25 - The Sixth Dimension - Written By Scott Snyder Art by Jorge Jimenez

As the Justice League attempts to stop Perpetua they are dragged into the multidimensional DC universe. They have a map to the sixth dimension and ask Mxyzptlk to open the door. It turns out that the only person who can go through the door is Superman. After a few seconds of passing through a much older Superman walks back through telling the rest of the League that he knows how to defeat Perpetua. The more time the Justice League spends in this future utopia the cracks in the facade become clear. In another realm of darkness, Superman finds himself trapped, with no means of escape. In addition to this Batmite under the behest of the Legion of Doom battles  Mxyzptlk as they both 4th wall break and unravel the fabric of everything. We have allies who become enemies and enemies who become allies. Snyder always seems to raises the stakes to the highest possible point and we are introduced to so many interesting ideas.

I have liked Snyder’s Justice League run, but this arc, in particular, has been my favorite. I loved seeing the older versions of the League and seeing all that they hoped to accomplish fulfilled. We are introduced to Shayne the future son of Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl. I like how this is explored and their reaction to this son between the current non-romantically involved characters.  I liked the interaction between future Dick Grayson and Batman. Also, I like how Batman is presented with a difficult but logical solution. I love how the story both begins and ends with Superman. There is a thread of a Superman story and it is effective. As he is trapped in the sunless place he reflects on the moments with his father and his son. It truly shows why he’s important not only to Batman and their relationship but to the entire League.

I love the art by Jimenez is so dynamic and beautiful to look at. You can isolate so many panels and hang them straight upon your wall. It’s amazing how consistent he is even across so many issues.

Even though it’s a big story the characters and their dialogue is always front and center. It’s a great story of perseverance and such a good portrayal of Superman. I really loved this arc.

[thevindicativevordan]

What do you think of Scott Snyder's Justice League outside of the Metal events ?

Great art, a couple great bits, but on the whole it ended up being filler to buy time for Death Metal.

Take for example the Martian Manhunter/Lex Luthor relationship that Snyder spent most of the run building upon. Where did that go? Nowhere! Snyder himself seemed to lose interest by the end, with the final confrontation with Lex being between Lex and Superman. Why didn't he just make that the focus from the start, his portrayal of the Lex/J'onn relationship was basically trying to transplant the Silver Age Superman/Lex broken friendship onto those two? Even more egregious, neither Lex nor J'onn play any major role in the event which is supposed to serve as the big finale, nor does Perpetua who was the main villain of the run ever amount to anything.

Perpetua herself could have been interesting, the idea that humanity is intrinsically evil because of how we are made is a concept that Snyder has long been fascinated by, wth the 2016 election simply increasing his obsession over the idea.

Analyzing human nature through the prism of superheroes, where the goddess who made us is a selfish piece of shit who wants us to be that too, could have led to interesting questions about whether humanity is fundamentally worth saving. Gillen explored similar ideas in the superior Judgement Day event just recently. Having humanity's fall to doom be because we chose that over justice is a genuiely inspired story idea. The Justice League can defeat any external foe, but can they conquer the evil that lurks in humanity's heart? We'll never know, because Snyder never did anything with it.

Now Snyder has said that Hickman's Avengers run was his main inspiration, and you can see how he tried to copy the format of Hickman's run with his JL. But the reason why Hickman succeeded and Snyder failed is that the main Avengers book was never the real focus. They were explicitly the decoy protagonists who just had to buy time for the real protagonists, who were the Illuminati. Secret Wars didn't feature Cap or Iron Man at all, but it could get away with that because the main protagonists of Hickman's New Avengers book - Mr. Fantastic, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Namor and the Cabal, and of course Dr. Doom - simply stepped out of the shadows and onto the center stage with that event, befitting how they were always the main characters of that drama. Plus Secret Wars wasn't just the capstone to Hickman's Avengers run, it was also the conclusion to his Fantastic Four run, the payoff to his exploration of Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Doom's relationship as enemies/rivals. In contrast the JL and the Legion of Doom were supposed to be the main focus of Snyder's run, which makes their lackluster ending and participation in Death Metal stand out.

Lex gets ousted from power in a mini that only serves to undermine all the work Snyder did with him in JL, and I actually enjoyed that Hell Arisen mini! I thought Tynion had a great handle on what made Lex tick, but why make Lex the focus of your run only to discard him unceremoniously? He's kicked to the curb for BWL, who predictably goes on to usurp Perpetua as the Big Bad of Death Metal. Should've just had BWL be on the Legion of Doom from the start, at least then the run might have served some purpose in building towards Death Metal, instead of all the real buildup for BWL reclaiming his spot being done in Batman/Superman and Hell Arisen. I know things were a shitshow behind the scenes with Snyder fighting Didio on 5G, and that's likely why the storytelling doesn't hold up, but all I can judge is what we were given.

Looking back, the only arc that I still unreservadely reccommend is The Sixth Dimension.

It's the one arc that remains a great read in and of itself. It's Snyder's big bombastic storytelling about DC, superheroes, continuity, the nature of reality, and whether we can rise above our fallen natures to be better, all finally singing together the way he was aiming to do. Superman punches a cosmic god so hard, said god joins the good guys, Batman pilots a badass mecha and fights the JL, "Darkseid Is" gets used in a way that actually feels epic again, Jorge Jimenez makes Mxy and Bat-Mite look terrifying and depicts their powers in creative ways. Damn good read, probably Snyder's best arc in a DC book other than Court of Owls for me.

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Superman/Batman Friendship Example #1

SPOILERS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE SIXTH DIMENSION!

This came after Batman seemingly turned on the Justice League, leaving Superman for dead in a pocket dimension of some sort that seemed impossible to escape. But Batman was more or less working undercover with the bad guy of the story, so he had to look like he was willing to sacrifice his teammates. He took a chance that Superman would once again be able to overcome the odds and break free, and of course, he did.

From Justice League vol. 4: The Sixth Dimension.

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Justice League Vol. 4: The sixth dimension.

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This fucking series man, I LOVE IT!!!

Supes has no right to look that good in that underwear.

Justice League: The Sixth Dimension

Written by Scott Snyder

Art by Jorge Jimenez

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Justice League (Sixth Dimension) - Scott Snyder and Jorge Jiménez / The Song of Achilles - Madeline Miller / Superman Vol 3 #38 - Geoff Johns / Writing Prompts For The Broken-Hearted - Eden Robinson / ??? / The Garden of Eden - Venetta O. / Superman Annual #11 - Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons / I'll Give You My Heart - Dia / ??? / The Amber Spyglass - Philip Pullman