#Intersubjectivity

[afutureworththinkingabout]

The "P" Stands for Pre-trained

I know I've said this before, but since we're going to be hearing increasingly more about Elon Musk and his "Anti-Woke" "A.I." "Truth GPT" in the coming days and weeks, let's go ahead and get some things out on the table:

All technology is political. All created artifacts are rife with values.

I keep trying to tell you that the political right understands this when it suits them— when they can weaponize it; and they're very VERY good at weaponizing it— but people seem to keep not getting it. So let me say it again, in a somewhat different way:

There is no ground of pure objectivity. There is no god's-eye view.

There is no purely objective thing. Pretending there is only serves to create the conditions in which the worst people can play "gotcha" anytime they can clearly point to their enemies doing what we are literally all doing ALL THE TIME: Creating meaning and knowledge out of what we value, together.

Read the rest of The "P" Stands for Pre-trained at A Future Worth Thinking About

[potemkinwords]

Intersubjectivity is a social science, psychology and linguistic term...At its heart born of philosophy. It refers to a broad range of human interaction centered around shared agreement, understanding, perspectives and assumptions.

A whopper of a concept really. I've figured out the easiest way to understand it.

The tendrils of minds spilling over into the world.

Our shared agreement with others over the very words I'm typing up right now, the way your mind slithers out and engages with the world, the way you may attribute feelings or beliefs to me - the writer - based on your prior experiences or perspectives.

The more widely used (but less artistic and philosophical ) definition is to refer to people agreeing about something.

Eg.

"There is intersubjectivity between the christians and catholics on the question of..."

means

"There is agreement between the christians and catholics on the question of..."

"There is intersubjectivity between Amy and Joe's interpretation of the conflict in the middle east"

means

"There is an agreement of perspective between Amy and Joe's interpretation of the conflict in the middle east"

[omegaphilosophia]

The Philosophy of the Problem of Other Minds

The "Problem of Other Minds" is a classic issue in philosophy, particularly in epistemology and the philosophy of mind. It addresses the question of how we can know that other people have minds and mental states similar to our own. This problem challenges our understanding of consciousness, perception, and intersubjectivity, raising profound questions about empathy, communication, and the nature of human relationships.

Understanding the Problem of Other Minds

At its core, the problem is about the epistemic gap between one's own direct experience of their mind and the inference that others have similar mental experiences. While we have direct access to our thoughts, feelings, and sensations, we do not have the same access to the minds of others. We can only observe their behavior and make inferences about their mental states.

Key Questions and Issues

Epistemological Challenge: How can we justify the belief that others have minds? Our knowledge of other minds is indirect, based on the observation of behavior and the assumption that similar behavior implies similar mental states.

Analogical Argument: One common response is the analogical argument, which posits that since other people exhibit behavior similar to ours and we know that our behavior is caused by our mental states, it is reasonable to infer that their behavior is caused by similar mental states. However, this argument is often criticized for its reliance on analogy, which may not provide a solid epistemological foundation.

Behaviorism: Some philosophers, particularly behaviorists, argue that mental states are nothing more than behavioral dispositions. According to this view, to ascribe a mental state to someone is simply to describe a set of behaviors and tendencies. This approach attempts to sidestep the problem by redefining mental states in terms of observable behavior.

Phenomenological Approach: Phenomenologists focus on the direct experience of intersubjectivity, emphasizing empathy and the shared human condition. This approach suggests that we can understand other minds through a direct, empathetic engagement with others, rather than purely inferential reasoning.

Philosophical Skepticism: Some argue that the problem of other minds leads to a form of skepticism. If we cannot have direct access to other minds, how can we be certain they exist? This skeptical view challenges the certainty of our knowledge about other people's mental lives.

Theory of Mind: Developmental psychology and cognitive science explore how humans develop the ability to attribute mental states to others. The "theory of mind" posits that humans naturally develop an understanding that others have beliefs, desires, and intentions that may differ from their own. This cognitive ability is crucial for social interaction and communication.

Functionalism: Functionalist theories in philosophy of mind suggest that mental states are defined by their functional roles rather than by their intrinsic properties. According to functionalism, if an entity (human or artificial) behaves in a way that fulfills the functional role of a mind, it can be said to have a mind.

Philosophical Implications

Ethics and Morality: The problem of other minds has significant ethical implications. Recognizing that others have minds is foundational for empathy, compassion, and moral consideration. If we doubt the existence of other minds, it undermines the basis for ethical behavior and interpersonal relationships.

Artificial Intelligence: The problem of other minds extends to the realm of artificial intelligence. As we develop more advanced AI, questions arise about whether these entities have minds and how we should treat them.

Intersubjectivity: Understanding other minds is crucial for communication and social interaction. The problem highlights the importance of shared experiences and common understanding in building social bonds and communities.

The Problem of Other Minds remains a central issue in philosophy, challenging our understanding of consciousness, perception, and intersubjectivity. While various approaches attempt to address this problem, it continues to provoke deep philosophical inquiry into the nature of mind and our knowledge of others.

[anaxerneas]

Corey Beals, Levinas and the Wisdom of Love

[bananartista]

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[stormofsyren]

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You’d be surprised at how many people would be happy to help you. Just ask.

[stormofsyren]

Reciprocity is a gift. It is how we maintain the power balance of a relationship so that it doesn't flow in one direction only. This ensures that both partners receive nourishment, connection and support from the relationship.

[timetravelingthroughspace]

Dissociation and hallucinations in dyads engaged through interpersonal gazing

Giovanni B Caputo. Psychiatry Res. 2015.

Abstract

Interpersonal gazing in dyads, when the two individuals in the dyad stare at each other in the eyes, is investigated in 20 healthy young individuals at low illumination for 10-min. Results indicate dissociative symptoms, dysmorphic face perceptions, and hallucination-like strange-face apparitions. Dissociative symptoms and face dysmorphia were correlated. Strange-face apparitions were non-correlated with dissociation and dysmorphia. These results indicate that dissociative symptoms and hallucinatory phenomena during interpersonal-gazing under low illumination can involve different processes. Strange-face apparitions may characterize the rebound to "reality" (perceptual reality caused by external stimulus and hallucinatory reality caused by internal input) from a dissociative state induced by sensory deprivation. These phenomena may explain psychodynamic projections of the subject's unconscious meanings into the other's face. The results indicate that interpersonal gazing in dyads can be an effective tool for studying experimentally-induced dissociative symptoms and hallucinatory-like apparitions.

[z]

intersubjectivity is such an interesting concept to me because it's LITERALLY the secret 3rd option

[stormofsyren]

I feel like quotes like these ignore the intersubjective reality of the world. It also ignores the fact that our social relationships, especially to the people closest to us informs our self-perception.

There is also this quality of placing blame. That if "everything" doesn't follow, it must be your fault for not "loving yourself".

Give me a fucking break. Human beings are not nearly that one dimensional and most of us carry wounds that take a great deal of time and awareness to heal. And guess what? Nearly always, we need other people to help us do it!

These quotes aren't "motivational". They're false comfort that encourages people to ignore their pain and their vulnerability because it hurts. It hurts to not be loved.

It's trying to convince people that they don't need other people and I'm sorry but that's just not true and it will never be true.

People need people.

“You don’t need someone to feel loved. Learn to love yourself first and everything else follows.”

— Unknown

[bhb-equanimitimmarcescible]

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[anaxerneas]

Stephen R. L. Clark, From Athens to Jerusalem

[ladydaybreaker]

Through a Mirror Darkly

Someone woke up after death...and had a bit of an existential crisis...

[stormofsyren]

Sometimes we need others to help us have accurate self portrait. There isn't anything wrong with that necessarily, the trick is to not become too-reliant in someone else's perception but rather to become grounded in our own.

Other people can support us during the perilous journey of individuation. But they cannot do the essential work for us.

[chicago-geniza]

98.9% of online Discourse cycles basically boil down to This

[stormofsyren]

I think I've unconsciously treated the people who mattered to me as if they were above me. There was never a balance or a reciprocity in the relationship. I never viewed myself as their equal and they certainly didn't treat me that way.

I think ... they even relied on me treating them as if they were better and more important than me because it made them feel good about themselves.

It's a horrible to realise that I let the open for people who didn't really care about me. But I hope take responsibility for having done this and admitting to myself with compassion will change that in the long run.

I hope and pray to learn from my mistakes 🙏🏽