#I'm normal about athena
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So a while ago I saw orivode's post reminding us that in Greek mythology, everything is ultimately the gods faults
Which yeah, the gods play with mortals like little chess pieces
And at first I was like "yeah except the cyclops thing, that was Ody's fuck up"
But no, that was Athena's fault
In the beginning of my goodbye there's a part that goes "and I warned ya, and you failed the test"
She made sure they ran into polyphemus. Yeah, they might've run into him anyway, and yeah Ody DEFINITELY shouldn't have given him his name
But if Athena hadn't interfered because she didn't like Ody (who totally isn't her friend btw, jsyk, she def doesn't care about him beyond her own goals) wanting to be kinder, they might've been in and out with a few sheep with no problems
I've been thinking about that one for a while but it did recently give me Fun New Thoughts about god games (wisdom saga spoilers)
Disclaimer ig: I've only listened to the god games snippets so this is mostly based off those
So as others have said, having Aphrodite talk about Ody's mother means the musical acknowledges she's the goddess of all kinds of love, not just romantic love
Obvs Athena directly calls Telemachus her friend, and if I didn't make it clear enough above, despite what she said I think Athena does care about Ody (i think the whole "I'm not looking for a friend" part was her like, trying to keep up a Godly Reputation, or just being mean bc she was mad at him, or both), and it's her love for them that gets Aphrodite on her side
(also, Athena's "please reconsider this" sounds a lot like Ody's "please don't make me do this" to me)
Which brings me to the Fun New Thoughts about god games
Does Athena feel guilty for kicking off the whole train of tragedy? She's a god I'd actually believe would feel remorse. It certainly goes against the teachings she referred to in my goodbye, but we've already seen her flip on friendship.
Is this another case of Ody (and Polities, indirectly) (and probably Telemachus) influencing someone to take a chance on kindness, connection, etc., while he slides further away from those? Maybe the real tragedy was the friends he made along the way /hj
#I'm sure I'm not the first one to make these connections but y'know many thoughts head full#also hi orivode if you see this i wasn't sure if you'd want to be tagged in some rando's ramble#epic the musical#epic the cyclops saga#epic the wisdom saga#odysseus#Athena#i don't have a text post tag#I'm normal about this musical#I'm normal about ody#I'm normal about athena
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i missed the silly moon lesbians...
#borderlands#janey springs#athena the gladiator#athena springs#jathena#janey x athena#i'm so normal about them i promise!!!!!!
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the owlthena people are going to go crazy when they find out about the half snake child and i mean that in the MOST positive way possible, someone please tell them about Athena’s half snake child!
#i'm very NOT normal about athena and erichthonius purely because everyone else is way too normal about it#think of the fluff and angst potential guys!!!!#think about it!!!!!!!!!!#it also has some very juicy thematic parallels with epic in there somewhere#owlthena#epic athena#epic the musical#I should say if you decide to look into it content warning for… who am i kidding it's you already know what the trigger warning is for
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Oh you think I'm insane ?? You think I'm nuts?? You think I'm a nerd who's waaaay too obsessed with random things?
WELL JOKES ON YOU BECAUSE IF I WAS INSANE BEFORE NOW THAT I'VE LISTENED TO THE WISDOM SAGA I'M DERANGED
#yeah it was a good saga#an enjoyable couple lf songs#nothing that alters the brain chemistry#and I'm super normal about all of it#why do you ask?#*muffled screaming*#*hysterucal laughing*#*gunshots *#epic the musical#the wisdom saga#jorge rivera herrans#odysseus of ithaca#telemachus#athena
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thinking about it, apollo might be the only defense attorney in the ace attorney franchise who became a lawyer to actually be a lawyer, which explains a lot about him
#mia wanted to expose redd white#phoenix wanted to find edgeworth#edgeworth got pressured into being a prosecutor by von karma#franziska wanted to prove herself to her father#diego probably actually did want to be a lawyer for the sake of it but godot had a revenge mission of whatever#klavier does it as a side gig#kristoph just wants power#seb did it to impress his dad#athena wanted to save simon#i don't know what simon's deal is tbh#or anyone in aa6 for that matter but none of their reasons for practicing law are normal#asougi did it to find the truth about his dad#ryuu did it for asougi#barok's reasons were probably initially normal but then his brother died 😔✊#and this leaves klimt grossberg and apollo. lol#out of all the defense attorneys apollo DEFINITELY is the only one who actually just wanted to be a lawyer#aa#unless i'm forgetting a detail from one of his 10 thousand backstories#WAIT i forgot about whatshisname from aai2. we don't really know what his deal is though either
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athena lost one (1) game and it was to a snot-nosed brat that she is playing games to save now!! and this is a goddess that NEVER loses her fucking prizes! Not even when she gets smited so LET! HIM!! GO!!!
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Okay I've been questioning it for a while now... I'm pretty sure I'm some sort of plural... Not calling it for certain but... I'm starting to think so...
#after the ''hmm being Athena Cykes in identity and personality for like 6 months when I was like 12 was probably not normal'' realization#then the ''hmm kinning Toko Fukawa specifically when I was was like 12 despite having zero personality traits in common was weird'' one#followed by the ''the fact that Siffrin and Loop keep talking to me in my head is also probably not normal'' realization#FOLLOWED BY THE ''oh yeah Athena's back in my head for some reason and keeps insisting we're plural. How weird.'' INCIDENT#I think there *just might* be enough evidence to call myself plural. some type at least#I think I'm a median system? I don't know enough about this whole thing to say though#but it very much seems like a case of Guys
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Had a weird Hollow Knight-related dream a couple days ago, so I decided to draw a major scene I remembered from it dgsgshf
More context will be in the tags, for those interested!
#hollow knight#little ghost#hk ghost#the knight#hk hornet#hornet#alright. as of writing these tags it's been a week since the original dream so! let's see what i remember dgsgsgf#i was playing a game. which was a sequel to hollow knight ((Not silksong though))#there was some new sort of divine infection in hallownest and hornet had asked ghost to investigate it. they ended the last one after all!#the red glowy spike gate thingy is what you jumped into to enter the 'infected' areas#though it actually led directly to a hub world type of place. which was kinda like an expanded base for the grimm troupe?#more like an entire lair instead of a camp. also some greek gods were there for some reason lmao. they had their own special rooms too#so sidenote but- new headcanon that there are grimm troupe members named ares athena artemis &... venus lmao. not aphrodite for some reason#also monomon was there?? i think??? except she was cooking????? she had a sidequest to deliver something to someone though i dunno hdgfhdgh#i remember going back to the grimm troupe lair a couple times throughout my 'playthrough'#anyway. the 'infection' this time around was more of a glitchy physical corruption thing? rather than a mind corruption.#though there were still aggressive enemies to fight. but i remember getting a map from cornifer early on and he was. probably infected#i think part of his body was covered in electricity or something? so he wasn't fully visible? but he was still acting normally#there was also a moth who was the seer but then later wasn't the seer (but was still the same moth) dghgdhf. i delivered stuff to her#that glowing white wall thing in the drawing was like a one-way gate. you could only cross it from the other side and ghost came from there#i guess things looped back up somehow i dunno ghdgfhgf#anyway. ghost's red eyes. those are significant! those happened while i was walking through a corridor. it had pools of shallow water#(shallow enough to just walk through) and also creatures that were lightseeds but red.the implication was that they were full of Blood lmao#and as i went along killing them--as one does--as i walked through the hall. they started turning the water red too#there was also narration about this as it was happening ashdgsf. specifically the narrator said the water turned red before it actually did#ghost's eyes slowly turned red too. but aside from that they were fine! since. they're the player character and the player is perfectly fin#BUT. when they encountered hornet again. she thought they were infected. and that she lost the only family she had left </3#she didn't attack though. instead she just jumped into the red spike gate without a word. decided to try to fix everything herself#but eventually you'd encounter her again down below and she'd fight you. didn't actually get to that in the dream though#aand i'm out of tags </3 i wanted to talk about what i'd do to make this make more sense as an au or something now that i'm awake but. :c
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I feel like, if Apollo was driven to murder in Dual Destinies, he would end up being Aura's accomplice. After all, they both have the same enemy. When Aura realized that the same person who killed Metis also killed Clay (and forced Apollo to deal with the same grief she's had to deal with) she finally put her plan into action and took hostages. It's Phoenix who suggests the trial. Aura was planning on just murdering Athena until he brought it up. I feel like, if Apollo was pushed far enough, they would end up working together on some scheme to get revenge
Oh I can absolutely see it. If anything, it's the most canon compliant way, really, since he was already connected to Aura at some point during The Cosmic Turnabout. Since Athena wouldn't be in police custody at that point, though, she'd probably just be swiped or straight-up killed in lieu of any hostage-taking happening... so at least Trucy's out of danger!
I can, however, see him being spiteful enough that he wants to end Athena himself, with Aura possibly wanting the same, so the two end up clashing in some way or another. It'd be an interesting dynamic, that's for sure...
#ask brodoroki#ace attorney#apollo justice#aura blackquill#athena cykes#clay terran#metis cykes#the cosmic turnabout#dd spoilers#aa5 spoilers#i'm so normal about this au i stg#i feel bad though bc i never talk about athena and now im only talking about her getting murdered 😭i like her i swear#murderpollo au
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Bathena in Dosed (2x06) - Part 7 of 7
[Image ID: three gifs of Bathena as Athena's house during May's homecoming preparations
GIF 1: Bobby lightly touches Athena's waste before telling her she's up for pictures with her kids. Athena quickly touches both of Bobby's upper arms before joining her children.
GIF 2: After May pulls Bobby into the family picture, Athena happily smiles at Bobby who return her smile widely while he finds his place next to Harry.
GIF 3: As the family smiles for the camera, we zoom in on Bobby who turns to look at Athena next to him. Athena turns to Bobby and smiles at him adoringly.
/end ID]
#911#Bathena#Athena Grant#Bobby Nash#2x06#911edit#I'm being so normal about this episode#911described
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Rattling my cage in excitement while crying my fucking eyes out
#I was sobbing by the end I've watched this 4 times now ohmygawd. omfg.#the way they're portrayed like a familyyyy ough#I live for the hepheastus mech fight how did no one else think of that because that's sick#and athena helping ares up after their fight AND THE WAY HE CALLED OUT TO HER WHEN SHE WAS FIGHTING ZEUS....#the way zeus held her afterwards....😭😭#like sure he's a sore loser and completely unfair but this is the only animatic I've seen where it's actual clear that she's like.#his favorite daughter#and you can see how bad he feels afterwards AND THE HUGGG AAAGH😭😭😭😭#sorry I'm very normal about epic#ANYWAYS 8 MORE DAYS TILL VENGEANCE SAGA LETSGOOOOO#talktag#my post#epic the musical#Youtube
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I hate when I see people hating on the gods because of PJO, it makes me so sad and angry
Also. The amount of people calling the female gods "a bitch" is insufferable. First of all, lazy insult, second of all, these characters are fucking ancient. They have years of history in them. You can't just think of their character as "a bitch". NOT EVEN THE BITCH, JUST A BITCH — AS IN, AN INSULT
#see i'm okay w ppl insulting their favs as a joke#i do it too#but (n it might just be me loving these characters) watching ppl insult them bc they hate them is#it's just so weird to me#like#i'm not explaining myself well-#calling the character out on all the shit they've done (the gods have done some very fucked up stuff) is okay#i love to do that. criticizing my favorite stuff is one of my favorite hobbies#the problem is when ppl treat their character like absolute garbage without knowing anything about them#“athena is a bitch who supports SA 👿👿” they say when SHE IS NOT???#HER CURSING MEDUSA BC SHE WAS SAd IS ONLY ONE VERSION OF THE MYTH#and (as far as i'm aware) it's the roman version of the myth too! so not even the og#also the greeks have some very bad history w SA. bc of the way they treated women#like have you ever actually read about the greek gods? they SA people all the time#and that's what i like to see ppl shit on them for#idk if i said that right#i like to see people shitting on them for that while still knowing that they're very deep characters#w interesting stories that were made in a time where that kind of stuff was normalized#this also goes for the “u can't like the greek gods bc they've SAd women!” ppl#i don't like them as PEOPLE buddy#i like them as characters bc they are fictional and interesting and fucking ANCIENT#did i said fictional already?#anyway. it is 2024 cut it out w the greek god hate#greek mythology#Greek gods#the olympians#pjo#percy jackon and the olympians#rrverse#avis' post
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hmmm
#having Thoughts about the whole buck x athenas probie thinggggg#putting b/cktommy away for a sec putting buckadam away for a sec#well hello buck x athena's next probie#im just hoping they don't back to the whole people he meets on calls thing that was boring and stupid#at least have buck meet people in normal settings or even through work just not after he saves them#i feel like that also gives them much more personality#if he goes to the girl of the week thing i'm gonna be so bored with him
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part 2 to my lonely tommy fic. this time he's not so lonely anymore.
“What did you do this time?”
“Angela!” Tommy exclaimed, smiling brightly as she walked into the room. “Or Angie? Angel? We never clarified that.”
“You know, when I saw your name I thought dear God, that man's still alive? I was certain you would have sawed off a few more body parts by now.”
“I'm trying to keep my limbs, I promise.”
“So then tell me why you're here, back in recovery.”
“My appendix hates me.”
“Oh, that's a pesky little thing, isn't it?” she asked.
“It is. Are you my nurse today?”
“Not supposed to be, but I've got seniority on Gina, so she can deal with the jackass in 212.”
“I knew I was your favorite,” he replied, giving her a wink.
Angela rolled her eyes. “I haven't looked through your paperwork yet,” she said, waving the file in her hand. “Should I assume nothing's changed from last year?”
“You know what they say about assumptions, Angela.”
She raised her eyebrows. “Are you telling me there's gonna be a person to call in here?”
He nodded. “There is a name and a number. And it's a person I actually know. You won't have to call though.”
“I swear, if you tell me you brought yourself here again-”
“No, no, I didn't this time. I just-”
“I got some jello cups from the nurses station, and ice for- Marie?!”
Angela's eyes widened, a grin on her face. “Buck!” she exclaimed, opening her arms for a hug.
“Marie?” Tommy questioned, confused.
Ignoring him, Angela kept her focus on Buck. “What are you doing here? And in normal clothes! I only ever see you when you're in the bed!”
Buck laughed. “I'm a plus one this time. Tommy's appendix decided to burst in the middle of his shift.”
“You two work together?”
“Oh, no. He's at 217, I'm at 118.”
“He's my boyfriend,” Tommy clarified.
“Ohh, okay.” She turned toward Tommy, wiggling her eyebrows. “That's some new information for me.”
Buck took the ice and jello over to Tommy. He tore off the lid and scooped a little bit of the lime jello onto a spoon, then brought it up to Tommy's mouth. He took the bite without complaint.
“They only want him eating soft foods for the next few hours,” Buck said as Angela watched them both with nothing but fondness on her face. “But he gets hungry so fast I keep going for more jello cups.”
“How about I search around for something that will keep you fuller a bit longer?” Angela suggested. “Like some mashed potatoes?”
Tommy swallowed the next bite of jello. “That actually sounds really good.”
“I'll be right back.”
“Wait!” Tommy exclaimed before she could get too far. “Marie?”
She walked back over to his bed. “It's my middle name, and it's what everyone else calls me. You have to keep calling me Angela, because you pissed me off,” she said, gently smacking his leg with the file folder.
“Ohhh,” Buck teased, looking at Tommy with wide eyes, “someone's in trouble.”
“You had me worrying about you for a whole damn year while you were cozying up to one of my favorite patients? The nerve, Thomas.”
“Yikes,” Buck grimaced. “You got Thomas'd.”
“That's just Angela's way of telling me she loves me.”
“Mhm. You've aged me, Mr. Kinard.”
“This could have all been prevented if you'd let me use you as my emergency contact.”
She shook her head. “I'll be back with potatoes. Keep him in check, Buck!”
“Will do.”
Once she left the room, Buck eyes Tommy. "So you know Marie too?"
He nodded. "I do."
*****
After eating some potatoes, Tommy dozed in and out for the next couple of hours.
After that, he and Buck were in the middle of a very competitive episode of The Price is Right when there was a knock on the door.
One by one, people began to file in, much to Tommy's surprise.
Eddie, Hen, Bobby, Athena, Maddie, and Howie gathered into the room, hands filled with different items.
After all the hello's and how are you's, they took turns handing over what they brought.
“We brought flowers,” Athena said, setting them on a corner table. “To brighten the place up a bit.”
“Jee wanted to make you something special to look at while you're in here,” Maddie said, breaking through the crowd to hand Tommy a piece of paper. “She said it's her, her Uncle Buck, and her Uncle Tommy at the zoo.”
Tommy stared down at the picture. Three people, a step above stick figures, with their hands connected as they walked down a path. Some birds and other unidentifiable animals surrounding them.
“It's beautiful,” he said, speaking softly. “Tell her I said thank you. I love it.”
“Karen made cookies.” Hen dropped a bag down on Tommy's tray table. “Snickerdoodle and red velvet. They're your favorites, apparently?”
“They are!” Tommy replied in surprise. “I can't believe she remembered that. I just mentioned it in passing one day.”
“Karen remembers everything about the people she cares about,” Hen responded with a grin. “One of the many things I love about her.”
“We made a schedule,” Eddie said, pulling a piece of paper out of his back pocket.
“Buck made a schedule,” Chimney clarified.
“I've given Buck a couple days off,” Bobby said, “and after that we will be bugging you in shifts.”
“You guys don't have to-”
“Don't even try to fight it,” Hen interrupted. “We've already been made to memorize our individual schedules and tasks.”
“This is happening, Tommy,” Eddie said, giving him a pat on the shoulder, “whether you like it or not.”
Athena hummed. “And I can guarantee by the time you have fully recovered, you will not.”
“He's gonna love it,” Buck said, glaring over at Eddie. “Who brought the balloons?”
“That would be me,” Eddie replied. “Along with an airplane-shaped stuffed toy that actually used to be Christopher's, but he hasn't touched it in years.”
“And I found the cutest teddy bear in the gift shop,” Chimney said, coming up beside Tommy to tuck the bear into his side, “because I don't bring used toys to my friends.”
“Rude!” Eddie exclaimed. “At least he likes airplanes.”
“He likes bears too!” Chimney defended, then he looked down at Tommy. “You like bears too, right?”
“That could mean so many different things to me,” Tommy replied honestly. “But, yes, I love the teddy bear and the airplane. Thank you guys. All of you.”
“I know I didn't technically bring anything,” Bobby said, “but I will be making you guys some meals that you'll just have to heat up for the next couple weeks, at least.”
“You don't have to do that, Bobby.”
“Well, it's not just for you,” Bobby explained.
Athena rolled her eyes. “Here we go.”
“These are new meals I'm trying out,” Bobby continued, “So I need honest reviews before I start making them at work. Don't sugar coat it.”
Tommy lifted three fingers. “Scouts honor.”
As the conversations picked up around him, Tommy settled further into the bed. Buck smiled over at him, taking his hand. “Sorry,” he said, “I didn't know they'd all be coming at once.”
Tommy shook his head. “Don't be sorry,” he replied, giving Buck's hand a squeeze. “This is perfect.”
*****
It was dark outside when Angela came back into the room for her final check before getting off shift. The only light filtering through the room came from the bathroom. Tommy was sitting up, staring down at the drawing Jee had given him.
“Wow!” Angela exclaimed as she walked in. “Someone had a lot of visitors today.”
The room was littered with items that had been left behind.
Tommy smiled up at her. “Yes, Ma'am.”
“We could hear you all laughing from down the hall,” she said as she began to switch out his IV bag. “It was nice.”
“Yeah, it... It was.”
“Did you finally get your boy to go home?”
“Uh, no.” Tommy set the drawing back down on the table. “He's actually gone to get more blankets. I told him I was fine, but he said my feet always get cold at night so I'd need extra.”
“He takes good care of you.”
“Yeah, he does.”
She grinned down at him. “You take good care of him?”
“I try to,” he answered honestly.
They fell into a comfortable silence as she finished up her work.
She gave him a couple of sideways glances before asking. “You okay?”
He bit at his lip, suddenly overcome with emotion as he stared at his GET WELL SOON balloon. Everything had changed so much in the past year. His old life felt nearly unrecognizable.
“It's just a little overwhelming,” he admitted, clearing his throat. “Last time I went home from here I was alone. I took care of myself until I got better. This time I have a schedule to memorize of who is visiting when.”
“Sounds like a good problem to have to me.”
“It is,” he agreed, even as his voice broke. “I just never thought I'd have people.” His eyes burned, filling with tears. “Doesn't feel like I deserve it.”
“Oh, honey.” She leaned over the bed, cradling his head in her arms. She could feel the wetness from his tears on her sleeve. “You are so loved,” she told him as he let himself be held. “You deserve that.”
She leaned back enough to hold onto Tommy's face, wiping his tears with her thumbs as she spoke to him. “All these people who showed up for you today, they came because they love you. Because you show them the same love. And that man you've got, well, he looks at you like you're more precious than gold. Let yourself be happy, okay? You've got people now. You've got people forever.”
He took a shaky breath and nodded, Angela wiping away the last of the tears before letting him go.
He grabbed a tissue off his tray table and wiped his nose. “Do I get to call you Marie now?” he asked.
She laughed. “Oh, no. You're special, so you're stuck with Angela.”
“I got five blankets and two pillows,” Buck said as he entered the room, “which I know you won't need, but I'm trading chairs with the guy in 212- who's a bit of an ass, by the way- so I get the recliner.”
“You're staying the night?” Angela asked, crossing her arms over her chest.
“Oh, um, yeah,” he answered sheepishly, his cheeks going pink. “I didn't ask, but I- I figured-”
“It's fine,” she assured him before heading for the door. “I didn't think you'd be leaving anyway. I'll see you two lovebirds in the morning, alright?”
“Goodnight, Marie!”
“Thank you, Angela.”
Buck took one of the blankets and spread it out over Tommy's legs. “I gotta go switch these chairs out. Are you good until I get back?”
Tommy reached out for Buck's hand, tugging on him until he was close enough to kiss. When he pulled away, he smiled. “I'm good.”
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Hiii I love your art sm omg!!!!!
But I have a question. The designs that gods have in the animatics that Jay stream, are they official designs? Does Jay have a hand in designing these characters?
Okay, as far as I understand it myself, they are official. The same Athena design is the same everywhere, so I'm assuming yes. And about design.. Jorge is of course involved in the development, he is the creator after all :D I just asked him if he had any thoughts on Apollo, and after that I just drew different version of clothes for Apollo and was just like: pick one. Also i decided to draw a NORMAL ref for him (sorry Jorge, this one more detailed) so, yeah
#answers#epic the musical#art#my art#digital art#digital drawing#artwork#digital#greek mythology#fan art#greek myth
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Never knew i needed this but i do
blackmadhi week day 2: nicknames ✨
#ace attorney#blackmadhi#nahyuta sahdmadhi#simon blackquill#athena cykes#i'm so normal about these two#please i love the nicknames
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