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*giggles excitedly and kicks my little feet* guess who's about to get into BLOODY, SLUTTY, AND PATHETIC by WhatMurdah?
ME, bitch đ„°đ„°đ„°
it was published over about 5 months in 2024 (so it's complete obvs, i don't read WIPs sorry not sorry), is 21 chapters, and just over 195K words! so a nice sized fic that i'm about to devour like a starving man, tysm.
i am and have truly been looking forward to this fic ever since someone on reddit said they have never seen draco simp and pine and be stupid for hermione harder than he ever has in this fic. i think they said she slaps him in public and then he is just like, "omg she fucking touched me!!!!!!!! *nuts*" like... LMAO yes bitch. yes pls! and then that possessive draco tag is staring at me like đđ and i'm staring back like đđđđ
this will be my FIRST EVER marriage law fic and i am so happy that it is this one. i can't wait to see what happenssssss. i have tried to avert my eyes from the hype, summaries, think pieces and such because i'm not trying to set myself up or know too much or be disappointed or go off anyone else's interpretation, i just want to let the fic take me where it's gonna take me!!!! i want to scream, cry, giggle, pine, laugh, throw up, feel the feels, etc. my body is ready!!! *rubs hands together vigorously*
summary:
âIn my humble opinion thereâs only three things that men should be and that is bloody, slutty, and pathetic.â And, on a good day, Draco Malfoy can be all three. When war heroine Hermione Granger and Azkaban-tattooed war criminal Draco Malfoy are forced to wed as part of Shackleboltâs controversial Reconciliation Act, they openly fight the match and each otherâtheir public brawls breathlessly reported by the press. Secretly, a deeply traumatized Draco delights in Hermioneâs attention and pines for a real marriage with herâeven as her forced proximity to the Black family magic irritates the cursed scar Bellatrix left on her arm, reminding her why she can never truly trust or forgive him. Then Hermione discovers that Dracoâs blood will soothe the scar . . . and Draco is willing to trade his blood for her body. (With post-war blood purity politics, black market potioneers, Pansy Parkinsonâs career advice, the Malfoys blackmailing Hermioneâs Wizengamot opposition, BDE Neville Longbottom hunting Death Eaters, a slutty Theo Nott serving as Dracoâs right-hand man, and Crookshanks loose in Malfoy Manor.)
tags: Enemies to Lovers, Slow Burn, Marriage law, Forced Marriage, Post-War, Angst, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Pining/Possessive Draco Malfoy, Morally Grey Hermione Granger; rating: EXPLICIT
very interested by the pairings outside of D/Hr which are Pansy/Neville, and Theo/Everyone lmfao we LOVE a slutty theo, we truly do. i can't wait to see the friendship between him and draco in this one!!! i love their friendship so so so soooo much. (sidenote, i might have to read some theo/harry fics soon enough but that's neither here nor there) ANYWAYS apparently neville has big dick energies in BSP so i'm ready for that. crookshanks is innis bitch where he BELONGS, i love me some crookshanks i truly do.
anything else...? nope i don't think so LET'S MF GOOOO
#bloody slutty and pathetic by whatmurdah#bloody slutty and pathetic#whatmurdah#current read#dramione#fanfiction#fan fiction#harry potter#harry potter fanfiction#dramione fanfic#hermione granger#draco malfoy#hermione x draco#ao3#ao3 fanfic#smut#dhr#dhr fanfiction#dhr fic#dhr fandom#dramione fanfiction#dramione fan fiction#theo nott#theodore nott#pansy parkinson#neville longbottom#ficblogging#fic blogging#fic rec#girlblogging
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Dropping Byler Evidence Every Day Until Season 5
Day 6: Parallels with Rovickie
Other than the obvious one--being that Vickie has a boyfriend and Robin is jealous/ put between them--there are actually way more parallels to Rockie than I originally thought, which is why I decided to make a whole post about them!
Again, I'm gonna be stating how intentional I think each parallel is. Even if it's not intentional, it's still a proof because it's the fact they are using the same tropes for two pairings shows that they are both supposed to be seen as romantic.
1. Being Between Them
Very very intentional. The framing is the exact same except Robin is not blurred while Will is blurred. AND the fact that it's a queer character between a straight relationship as well what the actuallllll freak. The difference is the fact that Wills blurred but Robin isn't. Robin is shown to be miserable in this scene, while Will is actually happy in this scene because he is seeing El again.
2. Basically the same conversation
I also think this is kind of intentional, it's tooooo similar not to kind of be inspired by Mike's speech. Obviously, Mike is more of a main character than Vickie so I think that they decided to make her do the same thing as him because the writers see this situation as similar. It's also interesting that she, in this conversation, is talking about how much she should have broken up with her boyfriend earlier. Maybe that gives us a little insight into what Mike is feeling too :)))
ALSO ALSO the bit at the end where Vickie goes "sorry I am rambling while there are people suffering" is literally THE SAME as what Mike says when he goes "it's so stupid given everything that's going on", basically showing they both don't view their relationships as important.
3. The Gay Food Jokes
The 'try before you deny' joke is already kindofsus, but it can easily be argued against as just a little throw away line that is just meant to be a lil bit of banter. Then you see the way that Vickie says "I've made a peanut butter on peanut butter monstrosity" while both queer women are talking to each other. You see the way this kind of sounds similar to Mike going "That's blasphemous, putting fruit on pizza" before the people around him go "Try before you deny" like HAJHDGAJHSGD..... So they have the potential to make queer jokes do they??? Ones that are kind of subtle enough that only queer people pick up on them?? Yessir
4. The Same Look
I don't know if this is totally intentional but it's so perfect <3 Just two gays giving a little smile before looking away quickly teehee giggling kicking my feet.
(im not even adding analysis at this point lmao)
5. 'Cool'.
(also couldnt get a caption for this one but u know what they're saying)
Oh my god I literally yelled when I came across this while watching the scene, not expecting anything else to come up ADGAHJSDG
This is intentional to me. I think the way that the camera is right on Robin's face, the way she says the words, she just seems so IN LOVE and you can definitely see the same (if not more) in love look on Byler's faces when they say the same words. If you can see Robin saying this to Vickie as romantic and as evidence for reciprocated love, then you should definitely see the same for when Mike and Will both say it to each other.
Now that we have gotten confirmation that Robin, Vickie, Will and Mike will all be in the same scenes during season 5, I am even more excited for more parallels between two different flavours of queer couple living their best lives <3 thankyew
GUYS IVE DONE SO MUCH BYLER ANALYSIS TODAY HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY BRAIN IS FULLLL EVERYONE CLAP ME ON THE BACK AHDGAHSJGDHA
#byler#byler nation#byler endgame#mike wheeler#will byers#stranger things#stranger things 5#byler evidence#byler proof#miwiheroes daily byler#rockie
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actually am i the only person who finds it so fucking weird that varric of all people was the one to die for solas. like. varric? varric??? they didn't even get along half the time lmao... like there's an entire part of cole's arc where him and solas are diametrically opposed and whoever "wins", the other is very much not happy about it. what the fuck happened between trespasser - where varric is literally viscount of kirkwall and kinda fucking busy with that!! - and suddenly him giving this much of a shit about solas????
okay, yeah, he's in the comics. okay, yeah, he's working for the inquisition in the comics. but honestly
i'm gonna be so for real, i don't really think i'm going to listen to the comics when this is apparently a plot thread in knight errant lmao. VARRIC got an invitation to SEBASTIAN'S birthday party?? varric, the guy who literally hated sebastian???? who would be hated by sebastian, in turn, especially if hawke saved the mages - which i'm 99% sure is what happens in bioware's canon? so like???
i dont know. it's just so weird. varric being in inquisition makes sense. cassandra forces him into it, there's a lot going on, man he just works here. whatever. but his role in TV just does not to me. him choosing, apparently, Apparently, after this, to continue with the inquisition, when he's busy being viscount (and hates it, yeah, sure, but he's still doing it because kirkwall is his home) and doesn't really care about solas except now he DOES, actually, to the point that when he is confronted with solas actively doing the ritual he's supposed to stop, he thinks he can talk him down. when EVERYTHING he knows about solas points to the opposite. he knows he is stubborn and obstinate and yeah, he cares, but that is why he is doing this. he knows solas cares to a fault. knows he will do anything to fix what is apparently a wrong by his own hands.
so why talk to him? why DIE for him? varric is smart. varric knows people (or so he thinks). that's his entire fucking schtick. you're gonna look me in the eye and tell me he's gonna sacrifice his life for SOLAS?????
it's so weird man. i don't even know if any of this made sense. but it's so weird to me.
#varric would sooner spit on solas and shoot him with bianca imo. like it's So Weird. i dont know if im interpreting varric wrong or what#also dont tell me to read the comics i have made it a point to not read DA's outside material because they rely on it so heavily#in the games now but dont explain much of any of it. and it annoys me. it's me being stubborn. i'm proving a point#if they're building varric's character in TV off of shit that happened in the comics then SHOW ME THAT. Don't just fucking throw him at me#with zero explanation and go Well here he is!!! The way he's always been!!!!#WHEN HE HASN'T BEEN LIKE THIS FOR HIS ENTIRE EXISTENCE IN THE GAMES#anyways.#txt#datv critical#<- sorry to put this in the tag i'm just tagging it in case anyone who follows me blocks it#because this made. no sense. i just woke up. i'm still drinking my tea. i'm not awake yet
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o wait before i start posting any pics.. i was thinking that maybe.. you guys could help me liquify this gender some more by switching up what you call me.... DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE . LOVE LOVE LOVE WHEN YOU USE HE/HIM AND JUST OVERALL LIKE MORE MASC STUFF THAT'S SOOO MMMMMMMMMSO FUCKING GOOD like i don't get to feel that irl at all so it really does make me so happy but i've just been thinking abt TRYING to switch it up more yk? does this even make sense...... . hhhh anyway i might won't even like it and i'll want to just go back to hehim but i wanna try... JUST TO SWITCH IT UP.
#i think the only term that is incredibly questionable is âqueenâ lmao#idk i have some personal beef with that one#MAN I REALLY MIGHT JUST DELETE THIS IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES#AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA#WHY DON'T I KNOW WHAT I WANT#i'm not asking you to fully drop the he him but just maybe.. use she her every once in a while..#I'M GONNA EXPLODE WHY IS THIS THE WEIRDEST POST EVER TO MAKE WHAT IS GENDER CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME#btw if anybody happens to be wondering why i don't just use they/them#iii just don't feel anything towards those#personally#like they don't make me feel like anything while he him and she her are more like yes:3333#does.. does that even make sense#oh my god#there are question marks flying around my head#i read this fic the other day#which is in my drafts i need to add tags to it#but the op just.. like made my brain grow two sizes#bc they made the reader genderfluid and then proceeded to use both âgirlfriendâ and âboyfriendâ throughout the fic and i just#HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH#how do i .. get that#asghdhsaghdasghdshagdhgas#GUYS LOOK I'M GONNA SPIRAL I'M JUST GONNA HIT POST#ENOUGH#mayor of loserville#mickey vs gender#10 - 17#I'M LOSING AGAIN OHHH FUCK OFF
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some postgame doodles for pride month
#martzipan#komahina#hajime hinata#nagito komaeda#domestic kmhn likers pspspsps cmere#i never draw just fluff/domestic things bc i get too in my feelings lmao. this one was no exception#i had to take a break midway through bc i got sappy. IT'S OK THO we got it done :3#neways these tie into some headcanons of mine so i'm gonna share 'em here#mainly i hc them having little ways where they just look out for each other#komaeda is usually the only one who can convince hinata to take a goddamn break without having to forcefully drag him away from his work#bc hinata does NOT take enough breaks. and he does not listen to reason#until there is a komaeda who is tired and can't go to sleep without his human teddy bear :((( can't let him go to bed aloneeee#n i think hinata just. casually feeds komaeda ALL the time#bc he won't eat enough on his own. and if you offer him food he'll be inclined to see it as a nicety and try to reject it#but if you just. Put Food In Front Of His Mouth. he'll eat it#it's kind of a reflex like komaeda doesn't realize he's being fed most of the time#they take care of each other bc they won't take care of themselves otherwise lmao. it's a little dysfunctional but they're trying#i think once they've recovered enough to be able to just enjoy each other's company they get REALLY really giggly#they have a lot of teenage/young adult love stuff to catch up on and since they didn't really have a puppy love phase. they laugh a lot#they'll try to do something tender or sweet but then one of them will start to laugh. and then it's not long before the other breaks#komaeda usually breaks first. bc he's always in awe of just how happy he is. bc he never thought he COULD be this happy#not without hell looming just over the horizon anyways#when hinata breaks first it's bc he's thinking of how much they've both been through and put each other through#and he's just sort of like 'how the fuck did we end up here'#(btw komaeda snorts when he's trying not to laugh. this is just fact trust me)#OH AND I HAVE MANY HEADCANONS ABT THEIR SLEEP STUFFS#as stated hinata runs hot and komaeda runs cold. but ALSO#hinata's a sprawler. komaeda gets Clingy. it works out for them tho#if komaeda doesn't have hinata to hold like a body pillow he'll curl into the tightest little ball. it gives him back pain lmao#oh and yes. they absolutely wake up with their legs incredibly tangled together
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you get it !!!!!!! i've also felt i may have gotten too attached but idk... im just a silly fanfic writer, i'm not even super popular so i can't even TOUCH the talent of the arcane team obviously
but i feel that even from a storytelling perspective what they did with jinx was just. not satisfying or compelling? like you can do amazing things without subverting expectations ofc but for a character with such deep-rooted mental health problems that REVOLVE around this extreme paranoia and hopelessness because she feels essentially like a victim to her core, it just makes no sense
(when i say this i mean she doesn't feel like she has agency in her actionsâ she believes she's a jinx and screws everything up and that's never gonna change so she doesn't try to change it; she thinks there's no other option for her/ she can't be an active agent in her own fate and so she doesn't try to)
it's simply not a satisfying ending for the character or the people with serious mental health problems watching at home to end up being told: no, you're right. the only way you can be happy is by killing yourself and disappearing from your loved ones' lives because they're all better off without you (i don't think she died but my point stands because she doesn't go back to vi and ekko)
and i've seen a lot of analyses (that i absolutely agree with) stating how jinx made these people's lives so much better (like isha) and i wholly agree but in the end what stands is that she's not shown that. to her she kills everyone she loves and that's it! which likeâ life imitates art and i feel it would've been a beautiful message for people watching that you CAN have agency in your own life no matter how much circumstance has beaten you down (sorry guys therapy lmao)
as for the argument that arcane was always a tragedyâ i agree. but what about the inherent tragedy of realizing you pushed everyone away when you didn't have to? the tragedy of watching isha not turn into jinx and seeing that oh, powder could've lived even in THIS universe? (the au was a basically an entirely different world which makes it tragic because little things could've changed everything but isha living and not becoming another jinx has the tragedy of. even in this world, in this fucked up environment, all jinx needed was her big sister and that's tragic within itself)
i could go on but basically. idk i didn't like the arcane ending LMAO
guys i know arcane is fundamentally a tragedy okay. i know this i promise you
and i feel like i'm not gonna be as articulate as i'd like about this but it felt like one those tragedies where it's like the love was there and it changed everything right. the characters could've done everything differently but they wouldn't have. the love was there (thinking of jayvik for example)
however. i just. don't like what they did with jinx?? OKAY DISCLAIMER SHE'S MY FAVORITE CHARACTER OKAY I'M SORRY but i just hate the fucking "curse" so much like it just doesn't feel as poignant and beautiful and thoughtful as the rest of the show for me?? like season 1 jinx was amazing i loved what they did with her but season 2 jinx just felt like she was there to get thrown around if that makes sense?
"everyone close to me dies" is a fine plot and whatnot but what about "but they don't. and now i have to face my own actions and active role in what i let myself become. in what i let others turn me into" because all the other characters felt so much more like people making decisions? for jinx it's like everyone close to her dies and that's her curse and they just. won't subvert that? but defying this idea of the curse and giving this character agency in the now lucid state we saw her in with isha would've made such a compelling arc AND given isha the opportunity for more depth
idk maybe i just loved her and isha too much and i'm being delusional but i think the storyline of her having to accept that the curse was in her head and having to heal from THAT because oh shit suddenly death is real and i can become an active agent in my life and addressing that almost unconscious victim complex would've hit so incredibly fucking hard and been a good way to expand on healing and building something new like ekko said too
i know the curse was a metaphor but literally everyone close to her did die up until she disappeared in the finale which is just. such a weird ending for a character that struggled with extreme paranoia the way jinx did
or maybe therapy has been fucking me up and i'm projecting who knows
#jinx#jinx analysis#jinx arcane#isha arcane#jinx and isha#arcane analysis#arcane discussion#arcane season 2#arcane
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ok look, i don't normally do that because i just don't ship real people but since everyone is talking about this lately... i just read the forest fic for the first time ever.
#somebody kill me now please i feel like my brain is broken i don't know what's happening anymore#is josh even real#i wasted so much time on this and i don't know what to think#it's kinda good tho?#like... i absolutely loved all those forest references#it's one of my favourite songs ever#the entire concept was really interesting and ngl i actually had fun and it was beautifully written#but jesus was it weird#wild even#like genuinely what the fuck#i'm confused i need help mom come pick me up#in my defense i only did that becase all of you were saying it's a part of navigating mv now so i had to check what's the big deal#and boy#you were right#they truly did that and i hate them for it#i bet tyler read it and fucking loved it lmao#i'm gonna. die now#twenty one pilots#the forest fic#i say whatever and whatever that i want*
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i'm a petty bitch. if i see otherwise pretty art of a character i like spammed in unrelated characters' tags, i'll simply refuse to like/reblog it sry đ€·đ»ââïž
#yes that minthara art's very pretty. but why tf is it in shadowheart and karlachs's tags??#also something something about all the annoying as fuck astarion focused content i get subjected to everywhere else in bg3 fandom#perhaps even more petty tho is the time i saw something blocked cuz of the 'edelgard critical' tag in her character tag#and i clicked on it out of morbid curiosity (slash mostly to tell the op not to tag their hate in the character's tag)#and instead it was some otherwise gorgeous art with a petty 'tagging this edelgard crit to ruin the haters' days' comment#and i was like ??? you know the only reason that tag exists is so people who don't want to see it can block the discourse?#p sure no one's tracking it lmao#all that that likely did was block op's art from actually reaching its intended audience (fans who understandably block that tag)#but i'm petty so if someone's intentionally trying to be a petty little shit themself i'm sure as shit not gonna tell them they're an idiot#sto parlando
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sorry for only saying this type of shit lately but i kinda wanna drive a car straight into a brick wall at the highest speed possible
#trying to keep it together so bad because i already know the problems and solutions and whatnot but i cannot do anything#i desperately just need to do something. accomplish any task. actually several would be nice. but i cannot stand just letting life go by#while i watch other people have the things i want. or even metaphorically living my dream like. that should be me why am i settling for thi#i hate even talking about this because i feel so stupid when i know it's not even a real tangible problem and that i actually DO have real#problems to tackle and the ability to do so but i'm choosing to be upset over the stupidest things i could possibly be sad about#and i can't even be sad about it in a normal way i'm cycling through like several different reactions to smth that isn't even real#or if it is real i literally do not have tanglible evidence for it one way or another like i'm driving myself insane for no reason#i can't even get catharsis because all i'm doing is digging a deeper hole for something i never should've gone back into in the first place#because i KNOW how i am i KNOW how i react to things and i still chose to do it lmao.#and i continue to choose to go through this shit instead of actively trying to change my life because... i'm lazy? and stupid? idk#negative self-talk isn't gonna get me to do anything either so let's just say i'm feeling particularly unmotivated like usual#i hated being a teenager but i really do miss when all my problems just amounted to 'someone was mean to me on tumblr today :(' or i failed#a test in chemistry or something. like i yearn for that simplicity becasue at this point all i'm doing is ruining my own life LMAO#i'm too scared to live i'm too scared to die so i just sit here and fantasize that life could be amazing if i wait#and i'll magically get everything i've ever wanted if i just wait long enough. and i know it isn't true and i still wait for it to happen.#because honestly like. i think deep down i am just convinced i will fail at anything i do when that shouldn't be what scares me.#what scares me should be never even allowing myself to fail because i never tried to do anything at all with myself or my life#like. wake the fuck up. get off your ass and put in the effort. learn some skills. gain independence and stability and discipline and do it#just live please i'm begging you just live so i can be happy don't i deserve to be happy... why am i not letting myself be happy#i'm literally keeping myself trapped in this negative feedback loop ON PURPOSE because teehee shiny toy#and it doesn't matter if the love is real it doesn't matter how i feel like i'm just using it as a distraction i can't say it's motivation#because it's barely motivated me at all. i have to start being realistic. 25 & just realizing you actually have to participate in your life#anyways. i've cried i've agonized i've pictured killing myself in 30 different ways. i think the only way i'm gonna feel better is#to just actually try this time without giving up. wish me luck
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How do you ask someone out with plausible deniability lmao like do you just ask them to dinner or something or is that too obvious ahskamskls
#not snz#this is so fucking embarrassing ahskakksl I'm never gonna recover#breaking my one and only rule of not trying to date my coworkers#AND HE'S NOT EVEN INTO ME đđ#idk idk there's just something about him#maybe it's still in my head bc he's been nice to me when I've been feeling like shit idk#i just like being around him so much but maybe that's my daddy issues AHDKAKZKA#idk#it's probably for the best if i just forget about it tho#i mean I'm really not super into the idea of physically having sex as it is and i think most people require that#someone tell me to drop it lmao I'm just being delusional about it at this point#fuck idk I'm just gonna sit here and think my thoughts#grounding myself until i can behave lmao#also I'm working tomorrow đđ#partner posting
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Let's talk about Karen
You know what, fuck it, I want to talk about Karen Wheeler.
More specifically, Iâd like to talk about the Duffersâ and, as a result, the fandomâs treatment of Karen Wheeler.
What does Karen do in the show again?
First of all, letâs note that Karen appears in every episode in season 1, and in 5 episodes in season 2, 3 and 4, with very little to basically non-existent lines of dialogue in most of those episodes.Â
In the first episode of season one, her first appearance is her telling the kids to end their game because itâs a school night and they can finish this weekend. Later in the episode, Will Byers has gone missing and Mike wants to go looking for him, Karen insists he needs to stay home and tells Nancy the same when she asks if she can go out, she also scolds Nancy when she gets upset because she canât go out âjust because Will is missingâ.
Ted barely participates/helps, and Karen âhopes heâs enjoying his chickenâ, she leaves the room, clearly upset for not getting much backup from her husband. Â
In episode 2, Karen is being supportive, letting Mike stay home because he âdoesnât feel wellâ, she tells him he can talk to her about anything, not to hide things from her, that sheâs here for him.Â
When Nancy asks to go to the gathering at school for Will, she tells her to be back at 10pm.Â
When Nancy gets home much later in episode 3, Karen was up and waiting for her, she is upset, worried, and says Nancy should have called, then she starts asking questions about the sweatshirt Nancy is wearing, and telling her Nancy can talk to her, âwhatever happenedâ, Nancy insists nothing happened and itâs pretty obvious Karen doesnât believe her and is extremely worried, she looks on the verge of tears as Nancy goes to her room.
Later, Karen visits Joyce with Holly, to bring her food. She is gentle, reassuring, she asks about Jonathan, tells her that if Joyce needs anything, theyâre here for her, etc⊠When Joyce starts acting weird and insisting Holly tell her what she saw in the wall, Karen tries to tell her to calm down, then leaves when told to.
At the end of the episode, Willâs (fake) body is dragged out of the quarry and Mike rushes home, where he runs to Karen for comfort, thinking he just lost his friend.
Episode 4 shows Karen looking extremely saddened by the news of Willâs death, but also very worried for her son, she tries to cheer him up and help him change his mind, and lets him stay home to get some rest, reminding him to call his dad at work if he needs to.Â
We then see her sitting next to Nancy while the cops interrogate her about Barbâs disappearance, Karen doesnât say a word during that scene, but her and Nancy start arguing the moment they get home because Karen knows Nancy lied to the cops, she is visibly worried and upset Nancy did this, and the conversation moves on to what really happened that night: Nancy admits she actually slept with Steve, but it doesnât matter because Barb is missing and no one is listening to her. Karen says she is, Nancy says âno, youâre notâ and goes to her room, leaving an anguished Karen behind.Â
Karen appears at Willâs funeral in episode 5, with her children and to show Joyce support.
In episode 6, Ted wonders why Nancy still hasnât come down to eat with them, and Karen goes to check on her. After getting no answer at all, she lockpicks the door to find that Nancy is gone.
Next, in episode 7, Karen is on the phone with Steveâs parents because she knows âshe and Steve have been spending some time togetherâ, she keeps getting interrupted by Mike, but she asks if Steve is home, probably to ask him if he knows where Nancy might be.Â
Later, Karen is in the basement and finds Elâs little den and a piece of blond hair from her wig when the people from the lab and Brenner show up, and immediately start feeding Karen and Ted lies about how this girl their son may have been hiding in their home is dangerous (Ted laughs at the thought of Mike being around a girl, while Karen very much looks like she understood from what she found earlier than it might be true), Karen asks what this girl did, she is obviously (again) very worried for Mike, and Brenner uses this, telling her that her son is âin grave dangerâ but theyâll save him, if only she can tell them where he might be.Â
In the next scene, Karen says they should be out there, looking for Mike, but Ted insists that they should let the government people do their job, because theyâre obviously âon their sideâ. Karen points out that this man (Brenner) gives her the creeps, and asks if Ted thinks Nancy might be involved in all this. Ted assures her thereâs no way.Â
We should be out there looking for our son; Ted: theyâre govt people, we need to trust them; Karen: this man (Brenner) gives me the creeps, thinks Nancy might be involved into all this; Ted: no way
In the last episode, after everything is over, Karen and Ted rush to the school, Karen clearly scared. She embraces Mike, crying, relieved. She is then seen at the hospital where they wait to hear from Will, and finally in the epilogue, where she tells Jonathan to wish Joyce a Merry Christmas.
So. What does season 1 tell us about Karen Wheeler?
Season 1 Karen is a housewife, a mother who is worried about the safety of her children (something she will keep showing throughout the entirety of the show). A child goes missing and she wants her own to stay home, her sonâs best friend goes missing and is later found dead and she is shown trying to reach out, to comfort him. We also see her offering Joyce the same comfort and sympathy.
When it comes to Nancy, we are also shown a concerned mother, someone who is watching her daughter go puberty, start showing interest in boys and lying to her mother about where sheâs going and what sheâs doing. She is upset at times, but she is mostly worried and desperately trying to reach out, to remind Nancy that she is here for here, whatever happened.Â
We can also see that Ted isnât the most helpful husband, we always see Karen taking care of the kids while Ted is watching TV or reading the newspaper. We never see them being affectionate and it seems pretty obvious (especially after what Nancy says about her parents) that they probably got married because it was convenient, not because they were in love.Â
Karen is also pretty observant: she knows when Nancy is lying at least twice, she makes the connection between the piece of hair from the wig she found and her son actually hiding El in their basement, she notices Brennerâs vibes were off, and she wonders if Nancy might be involved in the same mess Mike is (which, she is).Â
In season 2, in episode 1, Karen punishes Mike for stealing from Nancy and being overall rude and misbehaving for months, she states that she knows heâs had a rough year and theyâve been patient, but enough is enough.Â
We donât really see Karen much after that, she only makes very short appearances until episode 9, where we see her relaxing in her bath while reading a romance novel when Billy shows up. She is obviously flustered by his looks, and Billy immediately starts flirting with her, stating he âdidnât know Nancy had a sisterâ, which flusters Karen even more. Billy says heâs been âworried sickâ about his sister Max whoâs been missing all day, and that he figured she might be here. Karen invites him in, gives him the Byersâ address and tells him to be careful, then very obviously ogles him as Billy leaves.Â
There isnât much to say about season 2 Karen, as she barely appears and her longest scene is the one she has in episode 9 with Billy. Before that, we only see her acting the same way she was in season 1, parenting her childrenâor trying toâand receiving very little help and support from her husband.
On to season 3. In episode 1, Karen is at the swimming pool, sunbathing with other moms while reading another romance novel, when they get all excited because itâs âshow timeâ. Music starts playing, slow mo Billy comes out in his bathing suit and sunglasses, looking hot as hell, and the housewives all oggle him. He compliments Karen on her new bathing suit, which obviously pleases her.
Next, we see her swimming, and Billyâs now the one ogling her, he then approaches her, starts flirting, and ends up inviting her to meet him at a motel for âprivate lessonsâ.Â
Towards the end of the episode, Karen is getting ready to meet Billy, she looks at her wedding ring, hesitates, then takes it off. She goes downstairs, where she pauses before leaving, and looks at Ted asleep on his armchair, with Holly asleep on him. Itâs obvious from her expression that she will not go have an affair with Billy.
When we see Karen again in episode 2, she is back at the pool with the other housewives, but she clearly looks uncomfortable. When she sees Billy, she goes find him and tries to explain herself, the exchange goes like this:
âI⊠I understand if youâre angry with me. I just⊠I wanted to explain⊠why I didnât come last night. Itâs not you, itâs just⊠I have a family. And I canât do anything that will hurt them. You understand that, right? But I shouldnât have said thatâŠâ (She is interrupted as Billy has some sort of vision of himself bashing her head against a shelf) âBilly⊠please, will you talk to me?â
âStay away from me Karen.â
Karen appears next in episode 4, after Nancy got fired. They have a heartfelt conversation, where Karen tells her that âitâs not easy out there Nance, people saying you canât, shouldnât, that youâre not smart enough, not good enough. This world, it⊠beats you up again and again, until most people just stop trying. But youâre not like that, youâre a fighter, you always have been.â She says she doesnât know where Nancy got it from, Nancy jokes âDadâ and they both laugh, then Nancy says âI get it from you, Mom.â Karen is very emotional, and tells Nancy sheâs proud of her for standing up for herself, and that if she believes in this story, she should finish it. Â
We donât see Karen until episode 7, where she is at the 4th of July parade/fair with Ted and Holly. Joyce and Hopper find them and ask if they know where the kids are and Karen admits she doesnât, she doesnât think theyâre here yet. She starts listing off where the kids have been today and then says she can hardly keep track these days, and itâs summer after all.Â
Finally, in episode 8, she comforts Mike after the Byers and El move out of Hawkins.
Season 3 Karen is once again trying to be a supportive mother, and we see her struggling even more with her marriage, even going as far as considering cheating on Ted with Billy before she remembers that she canât do anything that would hurt her family.Â
In season 4, Karen doesnât appear much either, we see her in episode 1 telling Mike to be home by 9pm because he has an early flight to California the next day, we donât see her again until episode 5 where she is making breakfast for the kids and says she thinks itâs sweet that theyâre sticking together, Ted makes a rude comment about having freeloaders, to which Karen says that theyâre always welcome here.Â
In episode 6, Karen is horrified by Patrickâs death, she goes to the town gathering like the other parents and looks worried during Jasonâs speech, she and the others rush home to look for their children who âshould have been back by nowâ as she thought they were at the cinema. Erica says that theyâve clearly been lied to, and Karen calls the police.Â
She is here in episode 7 when the cops interrogate the kids, but she doesnât really say much, and is only shown running outside when the kids leave, looking worried.Â
In the epilogue of episode 9, she is sorting clothes to give away, she doesnât believe the whole âgate to hellâ story theyâre talking about on the news, and when Mike comes home, she rushes to hug him and says heâs ânever going on vacation again, in fact you can forget about collegeâ.
I feel like a broken record, but⊠well, season 4 Karen is once again trying to be a good mom, and worrying about her kids.Â
Phew. Now that weâve established all of Karenâs appearances and actions throughout the show, letâs finally get to the reasons why Iâm writing this whole thing, yeah?Â
Karen Wheeler is a good mom, actually
For the Duffers, Karen Wheeler is nothing more than a housewife and mother in a teen movie, her character doesn't exist beyond fulfilling those roles. Her children live in a horror/monster hunter movie, so do other adult characters like Joyce and Hopper, but Karen doesnât. Her world is normal, she has normal problems: her husband is boring and unhelpful, her two oldest children are acting up and lying to her about things she can only assume are very normal.Â
Karen doesnât know about the Upside Down because the Duffers donât want her to. She doesnât know what her children are really going through because they are lying to her, and because the Duffers donât want her to.Â
Stranger Things only works if there are no parents to get in the way of the childrenâs adventures. Joyce and Hopper are busy living their own; Dustinâs mom, Lucas and Ericaâs parents, Maxâs mom and Neil all ignore what is really going on with their children, they are as clueless as Karen is when it comes to where the kids are and what theyâre up to, we just see them less than Karen; we donât even see Steve or Robinâs parents because they wouldnât bring anything to the story and would only be more obstacles the Duffers would have to get rid of.Â
So, considering how weâve seen Karen behave with her children, and how the scenario is literally forbidding her from ever finding out about what is truly going on, I think itâs really, really unfair when people say she is a bad mom.
In fact, Iâll even go as far as to say that Karen is the best mom in Stranger Things.Â
Sheâs here for her children, she comforts Mike and Nancy when they need, she has told them both multiple times that they can talk to her, she worries about them, and the whole âshe doesnât even know where they areâ thing is just bullshit. This happens once, in season 3, itâs the only time where she admits she isnât sure where they are, and even then, she lists off where she knows (or thinks she knows) theyâve been during the day. In season 2, when Dustin demands to know where Mike and Nancy are and Ted asks Karen because he has no fucking idea, Karen has an answer for both of them.Â
Yes, the answers are incorrect, but itâs not her fault both her children are lying to her.Â
I think itâs even more unfairâand extremely biasedâwhen people also compare her to Joyce and make it sound like Joyce is the perfect mom while Karen is, if not the worst, not far from it.Â
I love Joyce, she is an amazing character, but she is also a hot mess who is barely there for Jonathan throughout the show. Hell, when Karen asks her how Jonathan is doing in season 1âthe first thing she asks her by the wayâJoyce says that âheâs good at taking care of himself, always has been, you know?â which⊠well. Sure. Heâs also sixteen and his little brother has gone missing and his mom is (in his eyes) losing her mind, you know?Â
Iâm not here to put Joyce on trial, like I said, I love her character and she is doing the best she can considering her situation and everything thatâs happening to her, but she is also deeply flawed and tends to get tunnel vision. She is the one who asks Karen where their kids are in season 3 because she has no idea, sheâs also the one who literally abandons her kids and El (who definitely needs all the support she can get) to go to Russia to save Hopper in season 4.
Again, I donât want to pit those two characters against each other for Mom of the Year, my goal is simply to point out that Joyce, who is often described as The Perfect Mom, is far from being perfect, and Karen, who is often described as The Worst Mom, is⊠actually mostly doing what a mom should do?Â
Yeah, yeah, I know.
But what about Billy?
Letâs go back to how the Duffers treat Karen, shall we?
The season 2, episode 9 scene with Billy is filmed in a funny, even (in my opinion) mocking way. Karen is shown reading a romance novel in her bath, and the man on the cover is very much meant to remind people of Billy: light hair, mullet, strong muscled guy. Karen is clearly flustered the moment she sees him, and we are meant to understand that itâs like this character she was just reading about (and probably fantasizing about) just materialized in front of her. And then Billy immediately starts flirting, and Karen is obviously pleased, she plays along, etc.Â
Now, when I look at this scene, my first thought isnât âew, sheâs ogling a childâ, because⊠well, she isnât.Â
Let me explain.Â
The Duffers hired a 23 years old actor to play Billy Hargrove. That is not uncommon, in fact itâs pretty much the norm in most TV shows/movies, and in Stranger Things too. 16-18yo teenagers are very rarely if ever played by actors below 20, but Billy is definitely the one that stands out the most among the teens in season 2, Joe Keery looks more like a teenager despite being older than Dacre Montgomery who has the stubble and body of a guy in his twenties. When I look at season 2 Billy Hargrove, I donât think âthis is a 17yo teenagerâ, and Iâm ready to bet that Iâm not the only one.Â
Billy doesnât look like a teenager, because the actor playing him isnât, and that is the only reason why the Duffers were able to film this scene, and the ones later in season 3.
If Billy had been played by a 17-18yo actor who thus had looked like a 17yo teenager, they never would have been able to make this scene the way it is. They would have been forced to change the tone of the scene entirely, either to completely ridiculous because weâd have seen some kid flirting with a grown-ass woman whose only possible reaction would have been to be like âcute, alright, moving on,â and see right through him; or to indeed make it very predatory, with Karen ogling a teenage boy.Â
That was not the intent behind the scene. The intent was to show bored, lonely and horny housewife Karen getting flirted with by a hot young man because they thought itâd be funny. The intent was to objectify said hot young man because they thought itâd be different from what we usually see and make them seem very smart.Â
And yeah, this is making fun of Karen. Itâs making fun of her loneliness, of her reading romance novels and imagining a thrilling romance for herself, a young, muscular young man showing up to save her from boredom. The Duffers didnât give a shit about the fact that Billy is 17, so of course Karen, their character, doesnât.
In season 3, the same intent is there, but multiply it by 100 and just make everything worse. Karen is once again reading a romance novel and her and the other housewives have such boring lives that a young hot lifeguard showing up for his shift is literally the highlight of their day, one they know the timing of; we get the slow mo, the music, the bottom lip biting, everything is there to once again objectify a man because theyâre so smart and pro-women being horny, vive le fĂ©minisme!Â
Anyway, Billy flirts with her, very obviously invites her to have sex with him, she agrees, then changes her mind when she realizes the consequences having an affair could have on her children.
Karen isnât only made fun of for being a lonely, bored housewife who reads romance novels to escape the reality of her dead romantic and sex life, she is also made to give up on something that made her feel alive, desired, beautiful, to âbe a good motherâ. Now, Iâm not saying that it would have been more âyass girl feminism wonâ to have her sleep with a guy twenty years younger than her, but⊠I just find it interesting, you know. She stops being sexual to be a good mother, and fandom decides to ignore/forget/erase all the good things she did as a mother because the way she expressed said sexuality was morally wrong.
Yeah, morally wrong. Because nothing she did was illegal. Even if she had slept with Billy in season 3, it wouldnât have been illegal. Billy is 18 by then, heâs flirting with her, propositioning her, hell, heâs totally ogling her when sheâs swimming, he was also the first one to flirt in season 2, etc. Now, yes, the morally good thing to do would have been to gently let him down in season 2, thatâs what should happen in real life.
But Stranger Things isnât real life, and neither of those scenes are meant to reflect real life. Theyâre the Duffers having fun, putting their own teenage fantasies of Having Sex With a Mom in their show.
âBut the Duffers being a bunch of idiots doesnât change what Karen did/almost didâ. No, it doesnât. Just like thinking the Duffers are idiots for trying to make Billy a one-dimensional villain who is racist for shock value instead of ever trying to say anything actually valuable about the racism faced by Lucas doesnât change the fact that Billy said something racist about him to Max.Â
And yet, people are quick to jump to Billyâs defense, to make up headcanons, to completely ignore canon, to write posts and posts about how it was out of worry about Max and not really against Lucas (Iâm not debating this here, Iâm just stating what is being done for Billy) and I see no one doing the same for Karen.
Why? Why is one character butchered by her creatorsâ misogyny considered an irredeemable monster, subjected to the worst vitriol from a portion of the fandom, when another character, made to say something racist and attack Lucas by his creatorsâ because âwe need to show heâs really badâ, forgiven and rewritten to be better?Â
Why is canon ignored for one, and not the other?Â
Iâm not saying you should be all fine and happy while watching those scenes, in fact, I think itâs good they actually upset people. What Iâm asking is why are people more mad at Karen herself than they are at the Duffersâ, why I never see people outraged at how her character was used and mocked in those scenes, why no one is writing fix-its for Karen and instead further mocking her and treating her like crap?Â
What Iâm asking is: why the double standard?Â
#fandom wank#karen wheeler#stranger things#billy hargrove#joyce byers#long post#I wrote this to get it out of my system and wasn't gonna post it because I tend to keep my âhot takesâ to myself or small groups of friends#but after rereading it I'm like... yk what fuck it#I might as well put it out there because if it can make one (1) person reflect a little bit on why Karen is treated like shit#when the Duffers are the ones guilty of Bad Writing and Questionable Decisions#then I'll consider it a win#I'm also 99% convinced I'm only yelling into the void and this will mostly be pointless and not read or get people mad but...#idk sometimes you really have to say something yk#I also didn't point it out but Billy Hargrove is my blorbo#so if you think this is criticizing people for loving him it's really not the point of this post lmao
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I'm gonna get such a bad grade in bleeding
#NORMALLY THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING#BUT NOT WHEN I AM TRYING TO TAKE A FUCKING BLOOD TEST#AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH#ash.txt#my sample's gonna get rejected bc there's not enough blood and then I'm gonna have to redo and it's gonna be even longer before I can order#hormones!#fuck!#I used ALL THREE LANCETS that they sent lmao you're supposed to be able to fill both tubes with just one prick#relatively they need such little blood the gel was 1ml and the edta was only 0.5ml but I. couldn't even manage to fill both đ#like I didn't even need to use the plasters after there's no way anything else is coming out#I have three tiny pinprick bruises which I KNOW probably means I fucked up and the sample's gonna lyse but w/e I tried#blood tw#ig
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can't tell whether i'm getting fucked by my non-existent period or i've just fallen into a Ditch face first
#could be either one#the period is late btw#which is always so fun#why don't i still have like a proper Schedule at my big age#like why does it just go over like a week or two sometimes bro please#i'd LOVE a routine#PLEAASEEEE#it's so fucking annoying#but yeah i feel very not human#which is also . very annoying lmao#i might just need a shower but oooh my god that seems like the most impossible task rn#tomorrow..#tomorrow will be the day..#aaanyway i think i'm gonna try to sleep#since i didn't get any good sleep yesterday#i think i was only like half asleep for the most part#???????????#idk don't ask#hashtag super doomed#save me roomie satoru save meeee#mayor of loserville
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I need to reread the comics again to have specific arguments/evidence for this, but like
I feel a bit like I could've been sympathetic to the way other Cybertronian colonies view Cybertron, if it weren't for the fact that at least several of them (as in, ones that get notable dialogue/screen time) are so low-key self-righteous?
Like, idk... there's a lot of criticism of Cybertronians because they're so "warlike" and how their obsession with violence and vengeance is just dragging the whole galaxy down with them, but uh. The Autobot-Decepticon war was basically a product of societal ills bubbling over for like 6 million years beforehand and then finally boiling over into a 4 million year war that lasted as long as it did because the people involved had immense social/psychological trauma from being "raised" in an oppressive society.
So when the colonists come in being all 'omg you people are so violent and uncivilized why don't you just like, stop fighting' it kind of pissed me off a little bit as a reader/person like. Idk the colonists really came into this society of people full of massive amounts of trauma where even before the war society was super oppressive and no one has any experience of living "normal" lives unaffected by violence and bigotry. And the colonists were like "ummm wow why don't you guys just??? stop fighting???." Like idk it wasn't EVERY SINGLE MOMENT, in fact I think that when it was played for laughs it's quite a funny "fridge horror" type element. It was just annoying because like.... IDK???? It's just really annoying to watch a bunch of people who lived relatively sheltered lives on their own planets come to a different planet full of traumatized people and be like "omg why are you people so fucked up" IDK BRO MAYBE BECAUSE THEIR SOCIETY WAS OPPRESSIVE AND THEY LIVED THROUGH A LIFELONG WAR???
It also doesn't help that the colonies were literally founded based on imperialism and conquest so like, it's fucking rich to hear colonists scolding Cybertronians for their violence ruining the whole galaxy while literally sitting on planets that their Primes colonized from others. The hypocrisy of this is briefly mentioned in Unicron (literally the FINAL STORY OF THE SERIES) but like, that's basically the only time Cybertronian characters are given a reprieve of sympathy from other characters in universe and it's so tiresome.
I've talked to other people who didn't like the colonists and thought they basically (narratively speaking) existed just to shit on the existing characters, and it's actually really easy for me to sympathize with/outright agree with that assessment of the story considering how much of exRID/OP seems to be preoccupied with "Cybertron/the Primes/Optimus sucks" with very few reprieves for anything positive happening and even fewer chances for characters to get to explain themselves and experience a little bit of justice? Like, as the audience, it's just very frustrating to see the characters you spent hundreds of issues keeping up with get shit on by a bunch of "literally-who"s and then not really get a chance to ever defend themselves, either by literally defending themselves in conversation or having some sort of narrative thing happening that vindicates them at least symbolically
#squiggposting#paused work to muse about this which i prolly shouldn't have lol#oh well i'll still get stuff done#like idk an example of this is how pyra criticized OP for using religion to manipulate people#(lets just ignore how she said she would teach OP but never actually did)#but in the story there's never any sort of confrontation where pyra learns about history or talks with OP#and OP gets to be like. yeah on my planet primes fucking sucked and i'm the only one trying to redeem their image#also ive been fighting an endless war that lasted 4 mil years in which me being a shining figurehead was basically#the sole motivating force keeping my army from just collectively succumbing to endless despair#and i also had to use this shining figurehead image i had to keep the opposing army from genociding a bunch of organics#like not once does OP get to express his side of things he's basically just shit upon endlessly by other characters as he keeps doing plot#i feel like i had another example but i can't recall who/what was involved lmao#like idk it's not just that barber's writing is depressing and dark and edgy. i LIKE stories that do that kind of thing#it's just that it feels a bit as if the story is ENDLESSLY depressing and dark and edgy with almost no reprieve#as if it's mostly presenting the flaws of the characters with no chance for them to justify or redeem themselves#idk i feel like there was another better point/example i was gonna make but i can't remember it#like idk i guess a dark depressing story would've been better if the characters at least got to defend themselves#bc as is it basically feels like they (esp OP) get shit on endlessly and never once get to express anything about it#so like. they get shit on in universe. but also as the reader since there's never a contradicting viewpoint or the character defending them#it's as if you're supposed to take this one-sided criticism of them at face value and it just doesn't seem fair AS THE READER#if i read about OP getting shit on by some people and defended by others and also him expressing his opinion on himself#then that just feels like a normal fair narrative where i get to take sides#but if it's just OP being shit on and he hardly expresses much about it#then it feels like i as the reader am expected to agree with the portrayal being shown?#but in reality the portrayal just feels negative and unfair and one sided to me#and why the fuck do i want to read a story that's just the characters i know and like on an endless shame parade#also shout out to 'literally who' aka slide calling OP 'literally fascist' lmao#one of the most cringe moments of the entire comic. wait no. i can think of a more cringe Slide Moment#when unicron is about to destroy the planet and trypticon is getting shot and dying(?) in the background#and the story decides to pause and focus on Slide so she can monologue about how evil and tyrannical OP is
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if you could give prue kids (in an au where she lives), who would it be with (can be anyone dead or alive) and could you tell us a little bit about them?
Okay, so this might be a bit of a boring answer, but canonically, I think that Prue really only ever would've ended up at a place where she was comfortable having kids with Andy, if he had survived. Obviously, if she hadn't died, I think that they'd have given her another love interest, but looking at her canon love interests for more than an episode: Andy (dead), Bane (jail), Jack (...c'mon), and Justin (literally got dumped for no personality.) And while I'd love to spin up a Prue/Bane kid (not a Jack kid bc quite frankly, @phoebehalliwell has got that on lock already), I think it's gotta be Prue and Andy, assuming that they both survived.
The rest of this kind of have to go under the cut because I finished it, checked how many words it was, and went 'oooh, fuck.' In case you're wondering, the answer is over two thousand, so. I'm gonna get blocked if I just drop that on people's dashes lmao.
So, in this 'verse, I think that Prue would've actually been the first to have a child, for several reasons. Firstly, we actually do see her express a desire to have kids at a few points in the show and she doesn't seem to have as many as the same hang-ups of her sisters. Her issue seems to just be the good dad part. Secondly, she'd be the one with the longest and most stable relationship, since she and Andy have known each other for so long and were pretty much on the verge of committing to each other anyways when Andy, y'know. Got dead.
That said, I don't particularly think that it would have been an intentional pregnancy. This is kind of dependent on where we're at in the show, but I think that it'd probably end up at a point where the danger is ramping up and the Source is becoming more of a threat. I don't think that Prue would be initially willing to a) step back from the front lines of the fight b) bring a child into the consistent danger of the household and c) risk orphaning her child like she was. I can see it as a plotline where demons are constantly attacking and frazzling the sisters and we see her miss her meticulous birth control pill or something and then a few episodes later assume that it's because of stress, only to find out that, surprise! You're pregnant, and probably a bunch of dangerous stuff is happening.
But anyways, I think that Prue and Andy would go with the P tradition, because Andy seems like the type of family guy who'd be all for it and I think that Prue, having seen this kind of different continual line of her family, would be into it. (Also, I don't really see any reason why she'd be against continuing it either, tbh.)
So our firstborn daughter is Perri Christina Halliwell, and I'm now realizing the obvious connotation of that lmao. I'm just trying to look at P names that have not been taken by any of the sisters themselves or my main next gen, and Christina is actually a reference to two different female writers that my brain initially thought was the same person: Christine de Pizan, a medieval feminist writer (responsible for The Book of the City of Ladies), and Christina Rossetti, a Victorian writer whose works were often viewed through a feminist lens (at least in my class). I like the name flip thing though, so now I'm keeping it. As for the first name, I think that Perri has this almost rebellious feel to it, which fits for her.
But anyways, Perri, our firstborn witch! I think that because of the circumstances around Perri's birth, especially with Prue having lost her own mother at such a young age, she's incredibly protective over her. (God forbid if Piper or Phoebe died in this 'verse, because it'd multiple by ten.) Perri is also the first member of the next generation, so she's kind of the test child on "Training Your Magical Child 101." And the thing is, I'd genuinely argue that the sisters not being raised with their powers both endangered them as they tried to figure everything out and kept them from reaching their full potential, and I think that Prue's biggest goal is keeping Perri safe, so she goes. kinda hard on the training witch thing. And Andy kind of sides with Prue on this because he doesn't have the magic to help or protect Perri, so. It's not just Prue, but Piper and Phoebe (and Paige? idk if Paige is in this AU or not yet tbh) are also training her, so it's a little less harsh than it could be.
Perri grows up to be a powerful witch with a pretty thorough background on all of the different aspects of magic (spells, potions, powers, demons, etc.) Like her mother, she's a telekinetic witch. I think that under her mother's tutelage, her powers also actually advance relatively quickly so that she develops advanced telekinesis. Lastly, she also had this combination of levitation/limited flight in that she can lift herself and other things off the floor but can't go Superman-ing around. (Is this half because I want to imagine a scene of Perri mid-air wrecking someone's shit? Yes. I fully admit to my utilization of the Rule of Cool here.)
Beyond powers, however, she's a bit more like Phoebe or Paige than Prue as a teenager. She rebels against her parents a lot, but a lot less of the punk teenage rebel thing and more like the artsy creative checking out the art exhibit at the local rec center or whatever. She loves her parents but chafes at the protectiveness. She's very independent, vivacious, bold, etc. She's actually a lot like Prue in that tbh, very popular in high school but with a less "Student Council president, head cheerleader, straight A-student" type of vibe. She's a lot fun. I've kind of bounced between a few different job ideas for her, but I think that she'd love to work in fashion, probably as a designer. Her vibe is very much just nicely saturated colors and colorful modern art.
After Perri's birth, shit probably hits the fan at some point and we get a dark point where all seems lost, maybe a death from someone close (not Prue or Andy obviously and I hesitate to kill anyone else, so some character that they got close to in this rewrite that wasn't in canon. What do you want from me, this is about the kids not the show.) Or maybe just struggles with the Elders and trying to buck that control, especially since we'd have the Piper/Leo and Phoebe/Cole relationships at some point here. But they persevere, and there's probably been another little Halliwell kid running around this point with Perri, but this ain't about them.
Next up, we have Presley Artemisia Halliwell! Now, if you haven't seen that Tumblr post about Artemisia Gentileschi, it's metal af and I have no clue where it is, but short story: girl got a shit deal for quite awhile, including being raped then tortured to give evidence during her rapist's trial, but she was also an amazing painter that focused on women from myths, allegories, and the Bible. Okay, actually, I really gotta find that Tumblr post to explain it, gimme a second. Here it is, high key recommend reading it but trigger warnings but discussion of the previously mentioned rape and torture. Okay, but the point for the middle name: a) I think that she's a fucking cool ass painter and b) seeing as I've mentioned that something awful has happened, the element of surviving that pain and refusing to bow down, especially to a male-dominated society, for someone like Prue. And Presley is because it has this almost academic vibe about it to me, a little cold in a way. (Idk how to explain this, it's one a.m. and I've been at this for two hours, y'all.)
Now onto our second Prue/Andy daughter: Presley! At this point, they've been raising a daughter in the house, maybe even another of the sisters' kids, so there isn't as much of a strictness on her at all points. Don't get me wrong, there's still a level of protectiveness, but Peri's continuing survival has proven to Prue and Andy that magic isn't an instant death sentence. But I'd say that it's Presley's powers that shape her so fundamentally here.
Presley ends up with molecular immobilization initially, but her powers don't advance to molecular combustion. Instead, her next power is an extension of slowing down molecules to freezing them entirely (molecular inhibition, the freezing power that warlock!Piper temporarily had when the sisters were turned evil in Prue's Dark Wedding to Zile). So she ends up being able to freeze things metaphorically and literally. Over time, the molecular inhibition grows to be a bit more versatile, specifically in regards to hand gestures. I'm trying to decide if there's another logical advancement here, but I think that makes her powerful enough for now at least.
With the ability to temporarily freeze everything around her, Presley utilized it to give her time to think. She's very analytic, observant, and intelligent. Unlike her sisters, she's more quiet and introverted but has no issue interacting with people. She's just more content to observe the people around her than be as social as her sisters but is perfectly fine with other people approaching her. Like her mother, she can be a bit prideful and bossy, and Presley can sometimes assume that she knows best because of her observations and intelligent. She actually works adjacent to her dad as a forensic specialist because I knew I wanted her adjacent but not actually a cop. I'm not sure what her specialty is yet though! Her vibe is a lighter neutral Sherlock Holmes and a park on a nice day. (I know that doesn't make it sense, I am simply trying to translate the vibe in my head.)
I think that the last daughter is probably after the craziness has finally died down for the sisters so maybe after any Ultimate Battles or something. They're finally able to just live their lives how they please, with not so many demon attacks, which is when Prue has her last daughter.
Our youngest witch is Pamela Dorothea Halliwell! Dorothea is a shout-out to Prue's love of photography, specifically to Dorothea Lange. Considered one of the most influential photojournalists of the 20th century, Dorothea Lange is known for her work during the Great Depression. Pamela is actually also a shout-out to Pamela Barnes, a psychic in Supernatural! It can also be considered a shout-out to Pamela Bousquet, a Warren ancestor in one of the spinoff novels, who had telepathy.
Pamela rounds out our trio as the resident psychic. While her primary power is premonitions, she's fascinated by divination as a whole, including her powers expanding to show her the past and future, reading palms and tarot cards, and whatever else you'd count that as. Beyond just seeing the future, she also has astral projection, telepathy, empathy, and dream leaping. Her family is pretty sure that at least some of this is magic that she learned instead of naturally possessed, but neither she nor they could tell you which is her own natural power and which she gained through studying the craft. Technically, Pamela could be a threat if she was interested in fighting demons, but she's much more interested in the study of magic and her specific branch of it to wield her powers offensively. She's a threat despite not because of the way she studies.
Continuing with the psychic vibes, Pamela is best described as somewhat dreamy. She's an absolute sweetheart but can get a bit lost in her own head sometimes, which can be dangerous with her powers. Despite what you may initially think, she is voracious when it comes to learning and wants to know everything about everything. She pursues her passion with relentless abandon, which can sometimes bite her on the ass. Honestly, a lot of her dreaminess and kookiness is because of her powers, which are going to cause her some problems soon if she doesn't figure out how to not get lost in them. So of course she works in a witch shop reading palms and tarot cards, basically a more legit "The Amazing Phoebe!"
In my head, I think that Perri is about 26, Presley is about 24, and Pamela is about 21 maybe. The girls are all still in California but maybe spread out a little. Perri is probably in some more fashion-y city that I'd have to ask my sister to pick (but not tonight bc she'd kill me for waking her up at 2 a.m.) while Presley may still be in San Francisco but Pamela definitely is.
Okay, so this definitely ended up taking and being a lot longer than I thought it would be, but this was so much fun! I'm always a sucker for the next gen, and I love thinking about how it may have turned out differently with different characters, relationships, or plots. It's especially fun because there's so many possibilities in the Charmed 'verse for the kids and I'd love to spin out some of the ones that unfortunately just didn't fit for my "canon" kids. (I used to do Charmed roleplay on Tumblr and actually have a new blog that I'm probably never going to actually use, and it has the entire set up of an alternate next generation stemming from Pandora, Paige's daughter, in the Warren Witches spinoff novel. Pretty much all of Phoebe's kids were designed to utilize some of the interesting power ideas I couldn't make my canon girls get.)
But if you have any other suggestions like this, definitely drop it in my askbox! This was so much fun! (Granted, it's two a.m. and I have to be at work at 8:30 tomorrow but whatever.)
#charmed#charmed 1998#prue halliwell#andy trudeau#should i really tag this as them? idk man im gonna for now i guess?#i have no idea wtf to tag the rest of this tho#bc i'm Nuts and want my tagging system to be Nice and Organized#so i dont wanna mix up my canon next gen with noncanon ones but like#fuck it it is literally two in the morning#next gen#charmed next generation#non canon next gen#gonna cover my bases with that even tho this is currently the only thing in that tag#abi's ocs#i mean i guess technically lmao#asks#fuck i need to update my navigation#charmed au#if anyone else asks me about anything similar i'll come back and update the tags i guess#perri halliwell#presley halliwell#pamela halliwell
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Checked my old med records re: transition dates bc today's Pl/Pa appt is probably going to be a fucking doozy where I anticipate being quizzed on my transition thus far and future goals for it
And double checked the year to find out A. my memory is shit and I was off a year but also B:
Next year will be my 5 year anniversary on T!!
#text post#getting ready ahead of time for the appt rn and am just a bit stoned to make sure the anxiety doesn't annihilate me lmao#I'm so glad Housemate is coming with to help me out as needed during the appt#like. if they drop me as a patient after this at least I'll have a witness to how they've been acting/the results of it#bc I've never once been believed at the start abt issues I have w/medical providers#only after it's gotten worse#and I'll have someone to help me navigate both hitting the grocery store after the appt w/out breaking down & also in plans#to call the new office and explain what happened (if it does tho i'm hoping they'll just wait it out w/me until Oct for my new clinic appt)#and hope they can help keep me on T and my lamotrigine until my first visit w/them (tho I'm already on their waitlist too)#I still have so much admiration for PlPa but my god. this has been a fucking nightmare in the end for me#and has heightened parts of my dysphoria and made me more anxious and frustrated at being misgendered#which still happens unfortunately often but like. no one is gonna apologise so I just roll with it#and I really didn't need that on top of adjusting to a move across the country#but it's whatever bc i'll get thru this appt see the new doc eventually and things will be more stable w/my care#and in the meantime I can think abt anniversary celebration ideas for next year
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