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Fantasy Guide to Regency Fashion


The Regency. The King is mad, the Prince of Wales is lording it up as the de-facto head of state. Napoleon is raging in Europe, Jane Austen is Austen-ning and the Bridgertons are on the prowl, waiting for their glow-up season. But what are they wearing during this period? Now, for this post, I am focusing on the actual Regency period (1811 to 1820). The before and after will come… eventually.
The Regency is a curious sub-era of fashion because it is bracketed between the early Victorian era with its large skirts and large puffy sleeves and the Georgian fashions with the court mantuas. I once read an article that pondered what the Victorians thought of the fashion of their grandmother’s and great-grandmothers during the Regency, wondering if they were scandalised.
Undergarments

The Regency undergarments have much of the same structure of those that came before and after, just with tweaks.
For ladies, the Regency was a time for natural silhouettes, so this meant that the long-structured corsets of the Victorians were a way off and the panniers of the Georgians were forgotten (except at court but we will talk about it later).
Chemise: This goes under everything. This is not up for debate. I am talking to you period drama wardrobe people, yes you, you know who you are. The chemise is like a big linen shirt worn under everything else.
Petticoat: This was a thin skirt worn over the chemise to keep the chemise from sticking to the skirts. These weren’t worn for volume as petticoats were and would be worn.
Corsets: The Corset in the Regency period was much shorter than you would expect but so were bodices. Regency corsets might make you think of modern-day bras since they sometimes spanned from the breasts to the waist rather than the hips.
Stockings and garters: Stockings are like long socks that go up past the knee, usually in muted colours and embroidered. Stockings were held up by garters, which were strips of cloth tied around the leg to keep them in place.
Drawers: Technically most Regency women didn’t wear any underwear, but the Regency period was the beginning of the interest in wearing them. Some women adopted the drawers which were modified versions of the drawers worn by men. Princess Charlotte, Princess of Wales was said to have tried them out which confused a lot of other women. In the later years of the Regency, some women adopted the pantaloons which were like drawers only longer. Drawers were short of linen or cotton shorts, only with a split in the crotch and a drawstring waist.
Gentlemen
Undershirts: Men wore their own kinds of chemises, but these were much shorter and tucked into the drawers. You’re thinking of Colin Firth aren’t you?
Drawers: Like I said, the lady’s versions are adaptations of the men, cotton/linen shorts with a drawstring. But during the Regency, the drawers were adapted to have buttoned flaps.
Corsets: Yes, men also wore corsets. The Prince Regent wore one for his back issues officially but there were rumours of him wearing one to try manage his considerable weight.
Stockings and garters: Stockings are like long socks that go up past the knee, usually in muted colours and embroidered. Stockings were held up by garters, which were strips of cloth tied around the leg to keep them in place.
Gowns and Suits


The Gentlemen
The men of the Regency were just as interested in their fashion as their female counterparts and their predecessors of the Georgian period.
Tailcoat/Jacket: Jackets and tailcoats were tailored, with the tails shaped into a “M” shape. These were made to show the shirt, vest and cravat underneath.
Waist Coat: The Regency waistcoats were vests, usually single-breasted but double-breasted were popular too. The trend in the Regency was high collared vests.
Shirt: Men would have worn shirts over their chemise for warm, only this shirt would be of more substantial fabric and often embroidered.
Cravat: The cravat is like a tie, wrapped around the neck and knotted.
Pants: When not at court, men wore trousers. These were buttoned at the front and usually tailored.
Breeches: Breeches were worn more at court as they were considered old-fashioned.
Pantaloons: These were tight, fitted trousers that were worn with high boots.
Suspenders: Trousers worn with suspenders were originally a working-class trend – as all the best trends are – become popular in the years preceding the Regency.
Inexpressibles: Probably what you’re thinking of when you think of Regency pants. These were extremely tight fitting and have reputation.
Buckskins: These were sort of the equivalent of comfy pants for the men. They were made from deerskin and worn during down time.
Great Coat: The great coat is a long coat worn over the ensemble and could be as fancy or as plain as the gentleman wants.
Shoes: Usually, leather dress shoes and worn to every sort of event except outside where boots might be the best option. Boots were never worn at night.
Ladies
The women of the Regency period were experiencing something new, something more aligned to the Romanticism of the day. Women took inspiration from the Classical world in their fashion. Bodices became shorter, sleeves shorter and silhouettes less structured.
Morning Gowns: These were dresses worn in the morning or during the day time if one was staying at home. It had an empire waist, short sleeves and worn with shawls and bonnets if taking a stroll in the garden. These were usually made of light fabrics such as muslin or poplin
Visiting Gowns: Visting gowns were worn when calling on friends or family. They were made of more substantial fabric like wool, satin or silk and less plain than the morning gown. They would be long sleeved and worn with gloves.
Walking Gowns: Walking gowns are pretty much self-explanatory, worn when walking outside, so that means long sleeves. They were made of thick fabrics such as wool, cotton and velvet and always worn with a bonnet and a spencer or a pelisse and gloves.
Promenade Dresses: These are a fancier gown than walking gowns, usually more decorated and worn both for walking and for riding in a carriage. Worn with a bonnet and gloves. Usually worn when one is taking a quick trip by carriage.
Carriage Dresses: Yes, the Regency not only had one dress for riding in a carriage, they had many. These were very similar to the promenade dress but designed for better comfort. Can be worn with gloves but definitely worn with a bonnet. One might wear this one on long journeys by carriage.
Riding Habits: This was worn by women when they were riding horses. They were usually made of thick cotton, leather of wool depending on the weather. This outfit was comprised of a long coat, riding gloves, high boots for the muck and stirrups and worn with a hat to keep the hair from the lady’s face.
Ball Gowns: Ball gowns were short sleeved, empire waisted and made from silk, satin and usually well decorated depending on the lady’s rank. They were always paired with long gloves. No bonnet worn here. Hair would be arranged under a tiara or an array of flowers or jewels or combs.
Shawl: Was a drape of fabric worn over the upper body against a chill. It may be made from wool or a heavier fabric but if worn to an event, it would be made of lighter fabric.
The Spencer Jacket: The Spencer is a fitted jacket, long sleeved and waist-length jacket worn over a dress when walking.
Pelisse: Is an coat dress which like the Spencer was close fitting but it was much longer.
Cloak/Mantelet: The cloak wasn’t dead yet in the Regency period. Women would have worn them in the evenings when attending balls, parties, the opera and the theatre.
Tucker: The tucker was a piece of fabric tucked into one’s bodice to cover as much as one’s chest and shoulders as possible.
Bonnet: The bonnet was usually a cap with a wide brim, trimmed with fabric flowers or ribbon and held in place by a ribbon tied under the chin.
Slippers: These look like a ballet slipper. They would be made from silk, satin, leather etc.
Boots: These were made of leather, often worn when walking distances in the city and country and usually only reached the ankle.
Pattens: This was a metal lift worn at the bottom of the lady’s shoe to keep her from ruining her shoes in rain or the city’s muddy streets.
When at Court

If you have ever watched Bridgerton, you might see that Queen Charlotte doesn’t wear the same gowns as the rest of the ton. This is actually historically accurate as Queen Charlotte was a traditionalist at heart and distrusted the new fashions, though we have a surviving empire-waisted dress of hers worn in private. When the ton descended on court, especially at the debut, they would not be wearing their short-sleeved, empire gowns. They would be wearing a wide hooped dress with a long train – but the Regency ladies weren’t about to give up on everything modern, they followed Queen Charlotte’s rules but kept the empire waist which lead to a ridiculous looking gown. I mean, look at it.
Bejewelled


The Regency era is a very important era for jewels because *trumpet sounds* it was the dawn of the tiara, or the renaissance of it. The modern idea of tiara came about during this era due to the women taking inspiration from the stephanes worn by the Ancient Greeks and Romans. Tiaras became a staple during this time, giving us some of our most famous and beautiful tiaras we still have today.
#I thought ye would like this one#The regency#fantasy guide to regency fashion#regency fashion#empire waist gown#writing#writeblr#writing resources#writer's problems#writer#writing advice#writing reference#spilled words#writer's life#historical fiction#bridgerton#jane austen#pride and prejudice#writing help#writing inspiration#creative writing
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#evidence of life#:3<3#໒꒰ྀི⸝⸝/ \⸝꒱ྀིა …nun era over………….hi guys i fell in love yes me i know right yes this oleta : )#probably will [ACTUALLY] be active yk i had to secure the bag and try to make sure the family will love me despite : D#anyways have a good summer yall !#wowwwwwwwww people who have been here since day one know how touch repulsed i was and how i took years to even be okay with kissing irl lol#deadass thought i’d just be kissing girls this summer but right now i’m in bed with a man and our biological son 🐈⬛ <3#life comes at you fast#100#btw this is my edit like the original didn’t look like this this is the doomer gf version#1k#edit: omggg if you don’t know me the ‘just kissing girls’ might read wrong im just primarily attracted to women and i assumed my big step#into intimacy would be kissing [girls] aka not literally falling in love with some guy who is currently wrapped around me and snoring <33
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Begging swifties to understand that Taylor didn’t write reputation and Lover with the knowledge of how the relationship was going to end and that trying to “excavate” those albums for evidence to prove a specific theory as to why it ended is not how they should be viewed. Taylor wrote those songs feeling a very specific way because that’s what she was experiencing and she is now reflecting on them with hindsight and relates to them differently than when she first created them. These conflicting emotions can exist; how she views it now doesn’t diminish how she felt about it when she first released it.
#taylor swift#don’t know if I’m expressing myself as properly and as articulate as I’d like#but both of the emotions she’s feeling about the songs can coexist#like little lover can still be a love song that’s what it was for her for a while#but she can also look back and say ‘oh maybe this wasn’t the best’ but it doesn’t void what it was originally#like I keep seeing things like oh she wrote this lyric in lover about him not showing up and it’s like no that’s not right#like yes you can see her underlying anxieties and fears in those songs because she was open about them#it doesn’t mean she predicted how it would end#there was a point in time where she thought this man was the one and would write about feeling that way
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can someone PLEASE get these characters out of my head I do NOT want them here anymore they keep making me SAD
more on the first one in the tags
#Alan Becker#ava#ava victim#ava mitsi#Ava the second coming#CLEARLY. I have a favourite pair.#this is like a collection of things from the past few weeks#they have the sauce that makes me crazy and insane#First one was a doodle where I was like “actually I could be even more evil rn”#Based on something I saw on Twitter where TSC somehow dies or whatever in the Box#I thought “what is a potential outcome of this which would work based on where the story seems to be heading”#And I stumbled upon “mitsi is revived but is kind of horrified at how she was brought back”#would this be too dark for Alan Becker?#maybe. CG did actually die on screen though so certainly not impossible. Would be weird to have two revivals in one season tho#Is it fun to think about? Yes#victim gets a reality check in like the worst possible way#massive wrench to throw in the revenge spree
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For those of us who cannot comprehend big numbers (me) I have done the math. FOUR FUCKING YEARS. SECUNIT WHAT THE FUCK.
#the murderbot diaries#all systems red#murderbot#secunit#words#math#yes i write in my books. sometimes. when i love them a lot#on a totally unrelated note (totally)- if i doodled pictures of the characters based on their descriptions in the library copy of#Network Effect (in pencil only) would that be an asshole move or would it be a charming little treat for the next reader to find?#i almost certainly will not do it because i like the public library and do not want to offend them#but. in pencil. and only little doodles in the margins.#only like. one or two.#id be so charmed if i found somethig like that in a library book??? is that just me am i alone in this?????#thoughts please
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I like to think Dick would react like a crazy big brother when he found out about Jason and Roy getting together.
Like he'd feel so betrayed, how could his best friend and his baby bro start dating and not even tell him for months? And oh god now he'd have to see them kiss? He could never get that image out of his head. He'd have to get used to seeing Roy at the family dinners and sure Jason looked happy but couldn't it be with literally anyone else? Didn't Roy know better than to go after his little baby brother? I mean seriously he's just a baby he is not ready to be a dad. How could he take care of Lian if he can't even take care of himself and-
And that's when it hits him, that technically Jason's her dad now, given the seriousness of the relationship and the fact that he did overhear the girl calling Jason Jaydad, so Dick is oficially her favourite uncle.
He is suddently very ok with their relationship.
#dick grayson#jason todd#roy harper#jayroy#lian harper#nightwing#red hood#red arrow#batfam#batfamily#i was reading wayne family adventures and thought of this#i love them#dick would definitely go into big brother mode#either this or that one scene from friends ross finds out about chandler and monica#but i like the idea dick just cares about being lian's favorite#also dick is actually just jealous cause he thought he'd be the only one dating his red headed best friend#yes i'm talking about wally#you should always assume birdflash is canon in what i write
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Shoutout to Magneto mains 🙏🏽 💜
#hiiii I like how this came out LMAOO#ermmmm yes tags here we go#art#digital art#doodle#fan art#Marvel Rivals#Marvel Rivals Art#Adam Warlock#Magneto#Adam Warlock art#Magneto art#shout out to tank mains we have less of those than support mains LOL#Dr Strange mains.. I see you.. I won’t you…#Magneto mains have yet to let me down I get so excited seeing them bc they usually do so well with timing their shit gawddamn#thanks for the bubble king lemme pocket heal u 😩#Had a Dr Strange and Magneto wish me a happy Valentine’s Day one round and I twirled my hair how charming LMAO#Marvel Rivals is so fun though I thought It would be more scary but even the people that loose it over vs ai or quick match are ridiculous#like calm down king it’s not comp#anyway yes trying to get better at adam wish me luck gang
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“Average Life-SMP member has been allied with ZombieCleo 5 times” factoid is incorrect. Scott ‘CleoWife’ SMajor, who has allied himself with ZombieCleo 90 times is a statistical outlier, and should not be counted. The same is true about B ‘EthoSon’ Dubs and Ethoslab.
I KNEW it was a good idea to save this ask until after the new series dropped.
#IT HAPPENED AGAIN#WELCOME BACK WIDOW ALLIANCE AND ETHUBS /FAMILIAL (?)#i haven't watched povs from any of those people yet. BUT-#old habits die hard it would seem#bad traffic idea#ask#trafficblr#wild life smp#smajor1995#zombiecleo#ethoslab#bdubs#this ask is from like . july#(yes that's how far the backlog is i'm so sorry)#but i saw it coming up and thought. hmm. i bet it'll happen again. better keep this one#(it would've posted in like five days anyway. but regardless)
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My brain malfunctioned and I was digging in MTMTE the whole day, forgot to blink, kicked pillow 8 times and was talking with my reflection 6 times
Ended up with 60+ screenshots of nerds being socially awkward/abnormal/straightforward because we use books to talk, not people, silly, cool or sweet, or just facts ahah






























#Man I remembered again how much I love Mega and Rodimus duo I wonder how they would react to each other#If they met as their younger versions untouched by war#Swerve literally can quote every of Blurr's races#Cried again when Ratchet left his words are some poetry that doesn't need to sound like one#Whirl Cyclonus and Tailgate ? EHEHEH#Scavengers are unhinged hobos ahaha#I want to put them in one story with Sixshot and Terrorcons#NICKEL MY SWEET GIRL#Looked at Sunder and thought of how damn well he would look if to make him even more and scarier#First Aid acting immediately and giving orders what to do in emergency situation? Yes please#Functions is universe with their “you are our eyes” plot twist YESSS#Functionists giving Rung a fake wheel to make at least a little sense of him and call him ornament? Pfffht#SWERVE IS SO F**KING COOL WITH THIS WHOLE HOLOMATTER ABILITY#Yeah no I hate Getaway.#Senator Shockwave giving an order to stop forced change of brain until two in charge agree on this?#And this way saving Megatron#Whirl saving Megatron because functionists are WORSE#Functionists invented empurata and all universities#Trailbracker... Would have loved to see more of him and Rodimus. His attempt to save him hit hard#Rung having a claustrophobia? Matter of fact I saw no angst of him that I would have found angsty XDD Somehow him getting forgotten#is the worst I saw#Necrobot is a crush. Hear me out he is a crush and very cool. I wish he had more time with Nightbeat.
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everything is the same except Odile is the one looping
oh. heheheheh. muahahahaha. hold on *digs through my pile of disorganized sketches*
Odile loops au; a sketch compilation!!
Some old fic drabbles + associated sketches under cut (a6 secret spoilers):
hc: Since equipment carries over, as long as Odile uses her book in a fight, she can write down notes and have it carry over loops
toxic doomed yuri (for a more fleshed out fic I highly recommend The Sweetest Thing by soreimoon, it's amazing)
#isat#odile loops au#in stars and time#isat spoilers#isat odile#odile timeloop au#congrats on unleashing the hell gates of odile looping au!!! I've thought about it a bunch!!!!!#contexts:#candy is a reference to sasasap i think. not sure if odile likes candy though#i think it'd be funny if odile struggled with understanding how shields work for a bit. she spends several loops asking mirabelle for help#I think odile would actually spend more time in the loops once she's sure she can just loop again. They're not actually in a rush after all#and she might as well maximize her loops#under cut:#she leaves all of her excess books with loop. Loop has another thing to do while waiting#yes loop is still you know who in this one#toxic doomed yuri is just very self indulgent teehee thanks discord folks#not depicted: I also think that the more loops she does the more she views them as experiments#with variables to control and test#that's where she starts falling off the deep end and start testing stuff like. not warning siffrin about the rock#(instantly regrets it though. loops back the first time she tries)#day 26 today?#A big one! Have funnn#you can tell some of these are really old by the different colored background lmfao#isat au
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A mage who doesn’t like child soldiers targets Batman in Gotham. They know that several vigilantes connected to him are children or were children when they started.
Their vendetta against him basically boils down to, “What the hell were you thinking?” and they cast a spell against him accordingly.
Every day, a new family member will be able to read Bruce’s mind for 24 hours. It’s entirely random and the definition of “family member” is incredibly loose, but everyone knows the Robins are his children because of how berserk he went when Robin II died.
On the one hand, it’s a horrific violation of everyone’s privacy.
On the other, Bruce finally figures out what his kids think of him and don’t say. And his kids are finally able to realize that yes, he cares about them exactly as much as they want him to. He’s literally the absolute worst at showing it or communicating that, but he cares.
Dick gets confirmation that Bruce knows how good he is, how capable he is to lead a team. That Bruce doesn’t secretly think that when he screws up it’s because he isn’t cut out to be a vigilante. When he screws up, Bruce gets scared and lashes out in the only way an emotionally repressed father can, by making it worse. That Bruce doesn’t think Dick is incapable of looking after himself or making the right call. All of Bruce’s attempts to control Dick or his life were because he was scared. Because he wanted Dick to be better than him, and he is, just not in the ways Bruce was first able to see. Having more friends and being connected to people is infinitely more important than college, though it took time for Bruce to see that. Dick is Bruce’s first son and he couldn’t be more proud.
Jason realizes that Bruce loves him. That he tears himself apart over their relationship. That he feels there’s a clear line between Bruce’s opinion of Jason and of Jason’s actions. Because murder is wrong and Bruce’s philosophy is grounded in second chances. Because he just wants Jason to come home and his son’s actions scare him because he’s more isolated from backup than his brothers. Jason can literally feel how Bruce thinks, how he sees murder and how he thinks about himself. Bruce doesn’t think it’s a line he would be able to walk away from, and Jason feels more precarious seeing the world as his father thinks about it than in his own head. There is far less judgement in Bruce’s thoughts. Just pure concern. And self doubt over what to say. Bruce never sought to replace him, would have joined him, and has missed him. Those were always Jason’s major concerns.
Tim sees that Bruce views him as his son. That he wasn’t a substitute for Jason and he doesn’t secretly think Tim shouldn’t have been Robin. Bruce thinks that Tim reminds him a lot of himself and based on all the things people say about him, that makes Bruce nervous. Because he wants Tim to have fun and be a kid, not feel chained to work the way Bruce is. He knows they both have workaholic tendencies and wants better for Tim, wants him to have friends and a life outside of work. But Tim also knew Bruce at his lowest and so he will always feel guilty that it was Tim who pulled him out of his grief spiral, because Bruce wasn’t strong enough to do it himself.
Damian learns that Bruce was so excited for him to be born and devastated when he thought Talia had lost the pregnancy. That he was furious his son had been hidden from him. That he loves Damian and loved Talia and wasn’t sure how to separate out those feelings. That he would have wanted Damian no matter his level of training, if he gave up this lifestyle or anything. That there is nothing Damian, or any of his family could do to make Bruce stop loving them. Damian is wanted. He can also see that Bruce struggles with knowing how to handle him being a kid that acts like an adult. How he knows how capable Damian is, but that no children should go through that. Bruce didn’t have that sort of childhood. And while his own wasn’t exactly happy, he still got to be a kid. And innocence and youth aren’t things to be looked down on, just experienced. And Bruce doesn’t want Damian to not have those experiences, even if he doesn’t value them as others do. He learns that Bruce trusts him and that his father feels emotions acutely and strongly, such that he becomes reactive in a way that feels accusatory or disappointed but is just afraid.
They all realize that Bruce needs them and hates himself for needing them. That they are his children and he loves them and wants them safe. But that those feelings constantly war with how capable they are, how good his children are at what they do. How much they care about the helping and protecting others. That every time he says something they beat themselves up over, it’s because he’s scared they’ll get hurt or make a mistake that they can’t undo and will have to live with. He never wanted them to join him and it’s not because he thought they couldn’t do it, but precisely because he knows they can. And that sometimes, that isn’t enough. Even metas can get hurt and even Superman could die. By comparison his children are so vulnerable and there’s only so much he can do to keep them safe.
Does he verbalize this?
Bruce thinks so.
But all his kids hear is:
You were too reckless.
You disobeyed orders.
You’re off patrol.
And oddly? This solves like half of the current problems his kids have with him. Because they never really believed him before and always felt the conversations were one-sided.
It does create several new problems thought because Bruce just had like a significant invasion of privacy as the most paranoid person on the planet, so it takes a while for him to calm down and actually work things out with his kids in a way that lasts and isn’t just a bandaid over a bullet hole.
#batman#jason todd#bruce wayne#tim drake#dick grayson#redhood#damian wayne#nightwing#batfam#would i love to add steph cass duke and babs? yes absolutely but do i know enough about them to do them justice? not yet#i will probably do a pt2 for the extended bats but i had dental stuff today and wanted to post before i forgot#that being said#bruce does the whole brick wall routine a lot and is emotionally honest with his kids in moments of anger and fear#which does NOT lead to healthy relationships. so his kids think he doesn’t trust them or care about them to different extents#because his actions always support the idea that he doesn’t trust them even if on rare occasions he voices conflicting thoughts#the man will ask about a case before he asks about your personal life because he knows how to talk about exactly one of those things#which means he knows how to give a lecture but not convince his kids that he trusts them when his actions say he distrusts everyone#because he does distrust everyone. which his kids know. so like i really think we’re past talking and need straight brain to brain#your honor it’s worse than miscommunication i need the courts permission for a telepathic link. yes i have probable cause.
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not enough people comprehend that kon has been a canon queer ally who speaks out against homophobia since 1998 tbh
superboy and the ravers #19
#rimi talks#you may think this is a joke post. however.#seeing heroes stand up against homophobia in 90s comics means a lot to me tbh#also i have many thoughts about kon and his overinvested ally phase and no one fuckign gets it#like i know theyre just jokes but jokes abt kon going ''haha i wouldnt do that im not gay'' in his teenage cringefail baby era make me :/#because listen yes hes a teenage cringefail baby but hes a Very Invested Gay Ally. do you see this#if anything hes doing a macklemore bit. if i WAS gay which im not obviously but if i WAS gay i would LOVE to kiss my homies and#anyway i think one day cassie should take his hand and lead him to the sf queer scene i think it would be healing for them both#kon#hero#sparx
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we're at it again🕺
#jrwi riptide#gillion tidestrider#my art#sketch#back on my bullshit woo yeah woo yeah woo yeah#genuinely a lot happier with this design than the previous ones. the lighter metal looks better on him#and this one doesn't have a lot of detail (or any detail tbh) so it looks more solid and fun i think#and you can see im trying to figure out how gill would carry his sword around#technically he should just carry it in his hands and don't have a scabbard because its a longsword and isn't supposed to be sheathed...#but like... its not practical to always carry it in his hands. especially in a day to day life. because he always has the sword on him-#but he doesn't necessarily always hold it? like. he needs hands for stuff#i think i like the back scabbard better (even if i drew the whole turnaround for the hip one) just because it doesn't mess with his tail#plus that way destiny's blade is higher up and gets to look around at stuff and i think its funny#but then like... the cape is a little awkward if it has to go above the sword...#but its not a big deal. if he has a cape and armor on he probably holds the sword in his hands anyway#am i putting too much thought into this unnecessary detail? yes#am i rambling in the tags again instead of making a separate post? also yes
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So I've said multipe times now (here and here) that thinking nmj is just so blinded by privilege he doesn't undertand that acting out of line gets people killed is, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of his character that ignores the part where he's, you know, actively dying the whole time and thinks that's a good thing. But that doesn't mean I don't think privilege plays no role at all in how he views the world.
Specifically, his view that death (at least premature or violent death) means something.
Death isn't always a tragedy to NMJ, but it is always meaningful. If you kill an evil dangerous person for your righteous cause, that death had meaning. There was evil in the world and now there is less of it. Similarly, if you die in the pursuit of your righteous cause, that death has meaning, because the sheer dedication you gave to it that you were willing to die for it will further that cause, and your bretheren will be invigorated by your sacrifice to fight even harder.
If a death isn't meaningful, that's an injustice and it is up to the living to give it meaning. That's what cuts so deep about his father's murder. There were no consequences, no changes, no meaning. Wen Ruohan was just going to get away with it! He fights and wins an entire war to make it mean something, to make it so that the unjust murder of Nie Mingjue's father is part of Wen Ruohan's downfall.
But this is a view he can only hold because he's the kind of person who's death will be meaningful. Most ordinary people's deaths are meaningless. Not ontologically, not inherently, but they are made meaningless because no one cares. For death to be meaningful you either have to be so powerful that anything you risk your life for will be impacted in some way. (Like, say, if you sacrifice a long life for immense martial power in a faustian bargain with a blade) Or if people with that kind of power care enough about you to do so for you. For most people, this isn't true. A starving street kid has no power to change the unfair world that put them there, even if they risk their life trying, and no one will do it for them once they die.
Nie Mingjue knows this in abstract, and of course rightfully believes it's wrong. But all that does is make it yet another righteous cause people should be willing to die for. Everyone's deaths should mean something, we'll make it so or die trying!
This is what the conflict between nieyao is about at its core. Because Jin Guangyao, fundamentally, cannot conceive of his own death as meaningful. Nie Mingjue grew up around powerful men who could change the world but refuse to do so because god forbid they risk a single hair on their perfect heads. Meng Yao, on the other hand, grew up in an environment where no one of importance would blink twice if you died. He was surrounded by meaningless death. Indeed his entire early life is defined by that lack of care.
Meng Shi dies and no one cares. Meng Yao gets thrown off a flight off stairs and no one cares. He has to be the one to do the caring, and once he's gone no one else will do it for him.
So he has to live.
Jin Guangyao eventually gets far enough that he actually does aquire the power to change some things... as long as he's alive. If he changes too much, holds on too tightly to his ideals, he'll die and it'll all be for nothing. He can't sacrifice himself for his goals because doing so would immediately render those goals unobtainable. No one will care about what he tried to do. He won't be a heroic sacrifice, he'll just be trash that finally cleaned itself up.
And well... Nie Mingjue dies, and someone makes it mean something. Makes it mean so much that the entire story of mdzs would not exist without it. Jin Guangyao dies and it doesn't mean anything. Most people are glad to be rid of him, and the few that are not don't do anything to change that.
#mdzs#mdzs meta#nie mingjue#jin guangyao#meng yao#nieyao#of course the inherent tragedy is that nmj is totally THE guy to ask if you want your death to mean something#nmj's reaction the the fact that most ppl's deaths are meaningless is to go: yes and I should change this.#If everyone thought like me this wouldn't happen anymore I simply need to get EVEN MORE HARDCORE about justice to MAKE them care#and this quality- which makes him the one person perhaps capable of making jgy's death mean something- also makes him a threat to his life#so jgy kills him because he needs to live. And then his beliefs about the meaninglessness of his own death are doomed to be true#what else was he supposed to do? just die and TRUST that someone would make it mean something?#like his mother trusted that his father would come back for them?#of course he can't do that.#just like how nmj's upbringing means that by the stairs he can't see how jgy- son of a sect leader and extremely capable-#is any different from the men who wrung their hands and told him that wen ruohan is just *too powerful* they can't do anything about him.#(*guy who killed wrh and wil go on to kill jgs voice* i just can't do anything about my dad being evil)#if jgy had agreed to risk his life and asked nmj to make it mean something if he died nmj would have said yes.#which is why he can't understand jgy wouldn't just ASK that.#jgy meanwhile has not been informed that was a fucking option and if he was wouldnt be able to trust that it'd actually happen.#for reasons outlined above#ahhh tragedy and inability of characters to understand each other i love you
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I need to shoutout the Chance player who shot his flintlock at me (Telamon) because I walked up behind him and scared him apparently
#roblox forsaken#forsaken roblox#homicidalporkchops#c00lkidd#shedletsky#telamon#builderman#yes...finally... a dedicated post i can put stuff from the art dump in...#which means i am reuploading art........... damn#see i can tag forsaken all i want but i wont lie those last few builderman drawings are for my interpretation on him#of which i will hide in the tags where noone will find them#he's a dad. to me. in my heart. this man is phoning his buddies at 1am to tell them about the sick building idea he had.#his garage? a disaster. this man is like every artist manifesting new ideas#except unlike us he can find the willpower to put them to paper#hes a mandisaster#he would NOT say fuck#hes married to his work your honor#hes so friendly and open and has smile lines#no one on record has seen him frown. ever#glass half full? Wrong. Glass IS full.#this mans enthusiasm is infectious#on another note i like to think telamon functions like an alter ego. he's the “”serious“” mode:tm:#like you thought normal shedletsky was kind of a cocky bastard. WRONG#the smile is gone but his skill has gone nowhere#waaahh im yappingg im yappingg IM STOPPING NOW
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You're anti-antisemitism because you know there are good jews who don't deserve antisemitism. I am anti-antisemitism because I know no jew deserves antisemitism. We are not the same.
(what you also don't know is that you aren't anti-antisemitism)
#jumblr#jewish politics#antisemitism tw#personal thoughts tag#i only formatted it like this because of that meme that was popular#obligatory 'this is the impersonal you pronoun being used'#i didn't want to format it as 'youre not antisemitic...' because you would be antisemitic for thinking that actually lol#yes even that jew doesn't deserve antisemitism. even the one who's got some ugly opinions...#...because being treated like a person is not a reward for Good Behavior...#...minorities being treated like human beings is not a reward because we Proved Ourselves (even if you think that)
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