#I just said not to harass creators writing about ADULTS

[deustux]

Just block or ignore them and their content. Your not a hero for doxxing people and harassing them over fiction. You don't get to assume people's morality over what they write unless they literally say "what I write/draw reflects my views" then fine judge and complain but unless they say that keep it to yourself and move on.

Your not saving children by complaining on the Internet. If your doing it to "protect children" how about spreading info to actually protect them like telling them to be safe online and stay out of adult spaces. Tell them to block and ignore adults talking to them.

Crying about weird fiction that has been PROPERLY tagged and age restricted (author or artist made it clear its 18+ and has put many warnings and tags) isn't protecting children at all your just using kids as an excuse to be Morally superior and make yourself feel better.

If you genuinely care about kids, then help them by telling them to stick to children spaces and don't private message adults. Warn them about the actual weirdos in children spaces. Call out the dangerous adults who are being inappropriate to kids.

I've seen so many people talk about "so and so wrote fanfic about this or so and so drew [insert ship]" but not people calling out actual predators. Stop treating real people like fictional characters and stop treating fictional characters like real people.

The way I see people bitch about the Boyfriend Web comics and harass the author ( a gay trans man) and call him a trans fetishizer and a bl fetishizer and act like their being an ally and trying to "look out" for gay men and trans men by being transphobic to the author by saying he's a "straight girl who only thinks their trans cause their deep into being a fujoshi" which Jesus christ what the actual fuck??!!! And people harrass him by saying he's not a real gay man.

Your allowed to hate media for moral and personal reasons but you do not have a right to harass, doxx, threaten and or acusse them of anything based on your dislike for them as a person and or creator. Unless this person has said actual disgusting things and done actual disgusting actions (like talking to minors, being abelist, being transphobic or homophobic, racist to others).

Call people out on their actions as a person and not their fiction. Unless their fiction is matching up with their actual beliefs and their showing they can't seperate fiction from reality.

It's not normal to send people death threats over fiction 👍

If you're so bothered by a piece of fiction maybe you should go to a therapist and talk about why it bothers you

Not send death threats

Authors and artists are real people, not machines for you to abuse

[separatist-apologist]

This is all I'm going to say about this- if you follow me and you think I'm making a call to arms for you to harass people on my behalf, DO NOT. I am NEVER asking for that- EVER. I don't appreciate it, I don't condone it, and if I find out who you are, I'll block you.

[doodler16]

3 things to say:

1- "being gay is when a married man cheat on wife with another man"- vivziepop's logic (her lgbtq representation is very conservative if you think about it)

2- I feel like fans know that vivziepop's writing is bullshit and full of pilot holes but they Don't care about it as long there's characters to fuck *cough* loona *cough*,people underestimate the power of horny lol and to this day I still don't understand the hype and praise for loona but this is how Internet works I guess

3- I usually don't care about ships and strange kinks as long it stays fictional and no real person is involved in it BUT i hate it when a creator push it in their "morality teaching shows" it's where I draw the line like you either make serious show about taking abuse seriously to spread awareness or a weird fever dream kink show made for gooners to enjoy, you can't have it both,vivziepop made hypersexuals look like bunch of freaks and stigmatised them even more. "Please guys have sympathy for this character for getting sexually harassed but please don't blame him for sexually harassing others cause trauma made him hypersexual and you have to deal with it, he's just coping!" Like wtf are you serious? There's different ways to coping with trauma including drawing fetishes and kinks and i see no problem with it but harassing others is not coping you are just being peirce of shit, her morality is so flawed what is she even trying to tell audience? Victims of SA become assholes and have free card to harassing others? Wtf? And Yes I am a proshipper and I hate HH/HB because I hate it when a show tell you it's ok to cheat and it's ok to sexually harassing others why? because you said that this show is meant to represent victims but you only made victims feel embarrassed even more about themselves and you backstabbed them like don't you realise when you say your shows is about victims your victims watch the show to feel comfortable and feel being understood only for them seeing angel dust being asshole and sir.pentious getting SA'd as a joke? where's the SA awareness? Like yes we know victims who read SA fanfic as coping exist but not all of them cope the same way and we thought you would tell us how terrible SA can be and how it effects victims horribly ,not using trauma to excuse their shitty behaviours? I hate seeing people getting hurt and I don't want to be near someone telling me that them being asshole is ok because "HB is like bojack horseman and told me it's ok because X And Y" like stfu if you truly know anything about bojack horseman you wouldn't even think of comparing the two also you're an adult and if a dumb cartoon made you harassing others then you weren't good person in the first place you bastard maybe talk to therapy instead because creating trauma to others will never help you also not to mention half of fanbase of HH/HB are minors thanks to lazyass parents and society gaslighting everyone with "if it's cartoon then it's for kids" but the audience is out of vivziepop's control do i am not gonna blame her for this one but all i know is that unlike adults who are aware and responsible for their actions minors brain is not fully developed and they can be misguided most of times so i am worried about them growing up with vivziepop's 'morality' so i don't know the solution of who is watching cartoon and i think we should normalizing shaming lazy parents like don't be a parent if you would just let internet babysitting your child instead of you doing it yourself parenting is called parenting for a reason you're called "parent" not "birth giver", why am I proshipper? Because I don't care about others ships but I don't like the She-ra's "lesbians can't be abusive! You must feel bad for your abuser and you owe them everything and you should forgive them" Message and vivziepop's "if you're in straight marriage and you find out you're gay just cheat oh and if you have trauma it's ok to be asshole" Message (I hope you understand what I am trying to say and I hope you understand we have same goals before you tell me I am terrible as abusers just because i don't care about others ships and believing that fictional things doesn't matter as long it's fictional)

Alright I am done,scream at me I guess

The fans would also fill in the holes regarding Helluva Boss and doesn’t help that Vivziepop would like tweets about it. Don’t like tweets of your fans defending your show. Put and write it into your dialogue not on Twitter 😭

Yeah, Vivziepop has a huge problem of wanting her cake and eating it. Like what you mentioned Anon, the sexual assault jokes then another moment taking it seriously. Rinse and repeat. The moral compass in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is so wish-washy.

Successfully killed straight married couple. Cool. Oh no, Blitzø doesn’t have the guts to kill a gay couple. Woahh apparently it’s character development (despite Blitzø fighting over a parking lot like an Anon in my last ask mentioned, happily participating in a Wrath competition in Millie’s hometown, killing lumberjacks, happily will screw over the cherubs, etc etc).

Most of the characters especially if a character is Vivziepop’s favorite, don’t get held accountable and when they do have a chance to be called out, it’s usually downgraded in some way or there is some excuse in said action.

Its funny you bring up the children in Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss because there was literally a situation where like what a 9-10 year old was at a Hazbin convention asking Blake Roman an inappropriate question regarding Angel Dust. It is so mind boggling to watch. Hazbin and Helluva are supposed to be for adults (+18) but the both shows don’t seem adult despite covering big topics like rape, kinks, etc. It feels like 2 kids in a trench coat attempting to sneak into a R rated movie.

At the day it’s the parent’s responsibility and they should be called out. It also doesn’t help that a few voice actors like Amir encourage kids and parents to watch Hazbin Hotel, despite Vivziepop expressing multiple times it’s for adults. I don’t know if he changed his mind about kids accessing Hazbin Hotel but I hope he does.

Vivziepop could potentially age gate Helluva Boss (I’m not talking about the warning sequence from Helluva Boss that flashes for 5-10 seconds every episode). But like manually do this:

But Vivziepop would lose some more views if that happened. Otherwise there isn’t much she can do.

[olderthannetfic]

I find it really sad when proshippers partake in "cringe culture" so to speak. you can't build your platform on anti-harassment and then make fun of people for being into something you deem stupid/trash/etc.

Like, I know in my mind that proshipping is more about anti-censorship and being pro "darker" stuff so to speak, and that it's not REALLY built on "we shouldn't make fun of people for reading/watching Stupid Stuff" but shouldn't the two be connected? I'd honestly argue that the latter argument is a stepping stool to the former?

Because how can you reblog "all ships are good ships" "ship and let ship" and then make fun of someone for being for an adult who still ships Steven Universe characters? How can you post "RPF is fine" but then make fun of that person on stan twitter who's a bit too into kpop rpf?

just makes me sad. The people who have made fun of me for the most for my MCU hyperfixation are my fellow proshippers. I've unfollowed people for posting book-tok screenshots that are clearly just mocking the OP for the fact that they read Colleen Hoover or whatever.

And I'm not talking about privately shittalking something, or just hating something in general; I'm not not even really talking about laughing at the *media/media creator itself* and criticizing it. I mean, I myself still laugh at the "read another book" Harry Potter meme (which, if i really need to add a disclaimer, i am DEFINITELY not talking about people who think it's weird and fucked up af that some people still like JKR as a person because. . .how can you at this point?). Moreso I mean people who claim to be SOOOO anti harassment and SOOOO pro-all-forms-of-art-even-'bad'-art (whether the art be bad in a moral way or in a creative way, whatever "art" "bad" "moral" and "creative" even MEAN because it changes with everyone.)

Obviously no one is going to like every single piece of art ever, and it's, imho, really human to be a "hater" to some degree! I just have a problem when someone genuinely makes fun of the FANS of something or thinks that someone is less intellectual just because the someone in general likes Disney/Twilight/Taylor Swift/Hamilton/whatever. No one gives af if you think a certain writing or acting style is cringe, but if you think the fans are cringe, that says more about you than it does about the fandom.

(also as a send off -- all the 'yous' i said here were general, def not directed at anyone on this blog. I'm just venting and this seems like the best place to do so where people will agree with my words.)

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[silverantagain]

Talking about the reason I'm proship/anti-censorship/anti-harassment:

I remember a few accounts ago (so like, a year or so ago), I admitted that I wasn't an anti anymore. I said I wouldn't call myself a proshipper, but that I didn't care who followed me so long as they weren't causing any real world harm.

Someone hopped into my anon asks and argued for a while until they asked me "So, what if the people reading your fics aren't traumatized? What if they're getting off to them?" And that's when I realized something: I genuinely didn't mind. Yes, I wrote my fics out of trauma because for a very long time, I've felt trapped. And I wanted to write a fic about that suffocating feeling.

But I didn't share them because I wanted sympathy. I didn't share them for any real reason other than wanting to connect with people. And it's touching that my work has been cathartic for people, but I'd honestly rather see a dozen "OMG this was so hot" comments than another trauma dumping one.

And that interaction is part of the reason I'm anti censorship and anti harassment. They had intended to make me go "OMG you're so right" but they weren't. I can't police who reads my work or how they interpret it unless if I just never share it. But I like writing fanfics. I like sharing my art. I like creating and I like interacting with others through it. If I couldn't stand the idea of someone misinterpreting my work, I'd simply turn off comments.

And the issue is that the pro harassment mindset relies too much on assuming. Why should I assume the writer of this work isn't traumatized? Trauma comes in different forms and the simple fact is that it's not solely the action, it's the way it impacted you that makes an event traumatic. So why should I assume the writer of a work isn't traumatized just because they wrote a work differently than I would?

Why should I assume negative intent from someone just because they portrayed something in a way I personally find distasteful? There are plenty of games, movies, and TV shows where people blatantly ignore those same kinds of distasteful portrayals, so why should I hold fanfic writers to a higher standard than those creators?

And I want to clarify: I am anti harassment towards those larger creators as well. I don't think we should go harass them, I just think people need to take a step back and ask themselves what they're hoping to accomplish. You can't hate someone into changing, so that's not what's going on. It seems to me as though people have conflated disgust with a warning sign, assume that because they don't like something, it's causing danger, but they're wrong. Disgust should not be the basis of your moral code.

For example, I used to eat orange peels. I still eat apple cores. I ate kiwi with the peel on, same with mango. That's generally considered gross. So am I morally wrong for doing those things? Who am I hurting by doing those things? Those parts of the fruit don't tend to cause harm unless consumed in large quantities, and I wouldn't force other people to eat them. In fact, if someone told me it made them uncomfortable, I wouldn't do it in front of them.

Remember, the reason bad things are considered "bad" isn't because we think they're gross. It's because they hurt people. And someone writing about fictional characters, as distasteful as it may be, is not hurting anyone. The characters aren't real. They cannot feel pain. And those events didn't really happen. okay? Just block people that make you uncomfortable.

In the end, that person said they "couldn't trust me" to not randomly post minor x adult content. They didn't use those words, but I refuse to dilute the meaning of other words when talking about fiction. I have posted a grand total of zero minor x adult fics since. I think I'm proof enough that being anti censorship doesn't make you automatically start shipping the things you're uncomfortable with. :/

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

Don’t harass op. But I’m just gonna say, they got a lot of nerve to go around assuming shit about GlimmAdora shippers. Did I say I write rape or write ANYTHING Spop? No. I said “If the show was for adults THE WRITERS OF THE SHOW probably would have written Catra raping Adora”. Honestly, where did they get the idea I or anyone out here is writing rape fics for fun? No, I said it seems like something ND or a crew member would have written. And btw, I guarantee you if ND or crew ra DID write a rape fic, these same people would love it, eat that shit up, and call it “sexy disaster lesbians” or something. But if someone else did that, it makes them a creep? No, only the writers of the show are allowed and it’s not creepy when they do it. I’m not even a GlimmAdora shipper! I just hate C/A. But suddenly I’m the creep! At least I’m not the one out here sexualizing a 14-17 year old cat, fricking hypocrites…

i love how they don’t deny it and instead turn the blame on you lol. i don’t like to assume too much but i’ve literally seen c//a stans make JOKES about adora getting r*ped by catra, and there are plenty of fanwork that depict catra forcing adora into uncomfortable situations, so they have no right to act like we’re being unreasonable for just pointing out the truth.

the creators of spop have already sexualized adora and catra, both through the show and in interviews. and considering how there are MULTIPLE instances of catra touching adora in a creepy manner or doing things that are generally considered kinky (stepping on adora, sitting on her, pulling her hair, etc. fans have pointed this out too), they can’t blame us for making this assumption. the only thing holding the creators back was the PG-13 restrictions.

[bravo4iscool]

they won’t settle for a ‘crybaby’ or whatever because it’s fucking cringe if you’re like that when you’re an adult (sorry not sorry). and they’d definitely not settle for a ‘controversially younger partner’.

I agree with you that this isn't realistic at all and I personally avoid these types of fics like the plague but also people can write what they want. It's honestly more cringe to get so heated over this and to tell people how they should or shouldn't write their fics. People can express themselves through fanfiction any way they like. Start blocking writers you dislike instead of indirectly shaming them in the x reader tag. This is incredibly entitled behavior tbh.

my goal wasn‘t to shame any writer and as i‘ve already said responding to another ask:

i've never-and never will-harass any creator or whatever for what they post; i don't like, i don't read, but it's a very thin line people who write stuff with a literal child-like reader walk.

it's just a thing i noticed that i think should be-maybe-looked at critically. in the end of the day people always write what they want, it's just that i think it's very dangerous territory...

the extract you quoted in your ask was beyond uncalled for and i apologise for my words, that wasn‘t okay. i am aware that there are people who struggle with crying, etc. it wasn‘t my intention to attack those people. however, my opinion about these type of fics stays the same.

i‘m well aware that my post won‘t stop people or whatever, it‘s just a thing that i think should—sometimes—be frowned upon. i‘m not getting heated over it or anything, it‘s just a thing i dislike in fandoms in general. i know the post suggests otherwise and i would like to apologise for that.

the thing is, many of those fics promote/normalise pedophilia and rape culture, which is simply not okay. as already said in the original post: realism sucks at times but there are fics/moments where it shouldn't be ignored.

[ryuichirou]

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Talking about brocons, people being annoying and other stuff.

Anonymous asked:

I’m sorry when did someone call Idia a brocon in canon?!? 👀

Asking for reasons….

It happened in Book 5, Episode 5-13, near the end of the episode! As Cater and Lilia were explaining the Shrouds’ situation to Yuu and guys, Grim commented that Idia is a total brocon, or something among the lines lol

Anonymous asked:

Cater saying he wants to date Vil + Cater's union birthday saying he wants Vil as a brother = canon brocon Cater methinks

Oh my god… Cater really said “but what if Vil is my brother AND we’re dating”. This boy is either very confused or very kinky, probably both 😔

Anonymous asked:

the Asim siblings are so interesting, like, are they close to eachother? how can they keep track when there are so many of them? what do they think of Kalim, do some of them resent him? are some obsessed with him? the latter in particular gets funnier if you have other siblings that instead decided to follow in their big bro's footsteps and joined the Jamil fanclub. the two groups would argue endlessly about who's better. than add in a third group that just likes them both and might even ship kalijami...

now that I think about it, I've seen some fanworks where Kalim tries to convince Jamil to call him onichan. would that make him a brocon? I guess for Kalim it's less about the idea of having Jamil as a sibling, and more about him being someone that Jamil can rely on without needing too many formalities between them, and the first thing that comes to mind is an older brother... Keep dreaming Kalim, the dude literally sees you as a toddler to babysit!

Hmm, I think they aren’t super close, but those who are closer in age are more likely to be friendly with each other + those who have the same mom (let’s be honest, there is no way all of the Asim kids were born by one lady). And the younger ones probably love Kalim much more than the older ones, both because he is better at connecting with kids + because the older ones technically still have a chance to take Kalim’s place if they’re lucky. But they’re never openly antagonistic; the “default” state for all of them is that Kalim is their beloved older brother that is always playful, fun and kind.

There absolutely are some of the Asim siblings that are obsessed with Kalim and THERE ABSOLUTELY ARE some of the Asim siblings that are obsessed with Jamil!! Imagine looking at Jamil your whole life and not getting obsessed?? lol Jamil would probably think that his own little Asim fanclub is the worst thing to ever exist (having Kalim only is troublesome enough…), but wait until he learns about the KaliJami fanclub… Kalim’s little sisters watching these two always being together and being closer to each other than Kalim is to his actual real brothers? They absolutely ship them lol

Kalim really is such a toddler though… And while I don’t think his wish to see Jamil and himself “as brothers” is in any way related to anything brocon-like, I do think that he really wants to express that his bond with Jamil is special.

Alright, now we’re entering the people-are-annoying territory.

Anonymous asked:

Normally I'd ignore the "don't sexualize the underage pixels" crowd but I love overanalyzing things and could write a mini essay on them (It's weird but I might do that, could be fun).  The thing that stands out most is the obvious hypocrisy.                                                          Kids kids kids, if you play TWST you don't get to say this stuff.  Even if you don't know it's for adults or who Yana Toboso is, look at the cards!  The game itself sometimes sexualizes its own characters!  Even the first and second years!  You harass the fans but give the creators' a free pass?  You're not saying "it's wrong to sexualize fictional minors!" you're saying "it's wrong to not make money off of your thirst!" and "it's only wrong if I don't like the final product!"  You're not mad that adults are creeps, you're mad that they're not pimps!  If the developers ever publicly distance themselves from certain fans, you guys will be the ones called out, not the people who simp over Ortho and freely admit it

Yeah, Anon, this is one of the most annoying things. When they cancel a piece of media + an author + everyone who enjoys the same piece of media, at least it’s somewhat consistent. Still quite stupid, but it’s not trying to sit on two chairs at once. But when they harass artists and writers that are doing fan-content for a piece of media, but then completely ignore when the said piece of media does it… I always remember that twitter argument about how Ortho isn’t shota-bait and therefore the antis have all the rights to enjoy twst since they aren’t weirdos, plus all the endless talks about how Ciel isn’t at all sexualized in the manga and how there is nothing at all sensual in the way the official manga art for Kuroshitsuji is drawn… at times things that they say sound honestly quite concerning (i.e. things that they consider platonic or fatherly), and if I didn’t know for a fact that these people are just bluffing, I would’ve become worried about their own life experiences. But yeah, thankfully, this is just them trying to punish people for thirsting for twst characters and then somehow do it themselves without being called out for it. They enjoy that piece of media critically, which means they’re off the hook! Not like the “weirdos”!

I had a point to make, but I just got salty lol

Also yep, you’re completely right: the developers/the authors tend to distance themselves from the type of fans that ultimately negatively impact the enjoyment people get from their product, and it’s never the type of people who ship characters and draw smut with them. Really makes you think.

[verdantlights]

Updated! +8

If you're here from Ivan and the Chipmunks shitpost.... I'm so sorry please,,,, I'm just an Alien Stage enthusiast and oc creator...

I'm Zenith Petrichor aka Zen!! My main is @zerostyrant !! My pronouns are zey/zem/zeirs, ve/vem/vys (or vis), and he/it!! I'm 18 and autistic, ADHD, OCD, and aroace/agender/xenogender!

I've said this before, just not explicitly, but I have confirmed that I am a Till fictionkin! (I'm also an alterhuman, but that doesn't pertain to alien stage aahha) I thought I should let anyone stopping by know this information. I have one other kintype and a few hearttypes, but those are irrelevant here. Actually no, Ivan might be one of my hearttypes, but I'm not sure. If you don't know what this is, in simple terms, I kin Till Alien Stage very heavily, to the point where I identify as him. I don't mind asks about this, but please do not harass me in my inbox! I can and will turn off anon asks.

I have an ao3!! I have a modern au ongoing series (not fic, i never post unfinished work) and I also am writing a lot of other stuff for ALNST! I have a bunch of stuff on my to-write list that I'm working through :)

Now that that's out of the way, here's my ALNST OCs! I entered the ALNST community through the OC part of it, so I felt the need to add them here! If you see a [REDACTED] name, that means that that OC hasn't been released yet but is in the making! It also means that any information after it is subject to change!

Toki - he/him, 6'0" ALNST s40

Clove - he/they, 5'8" ALNST s40

Horizon - he/him, 5'10" ALNST s41

Seraph - he/hy/it, 6'3" ALNST s41

Ichor - he/they, 5'6" ALNST s41

Lys - she/her, 5'9" ALNST s41

Everest - she/he, 5'4" ALNST s41

Zen - he/it/zey/ve, 5'5" ALNST s50

[REDACTED] - they/them 5'8" ALNST s41

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I also currently moderate some alnst roleplay blogs!!

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I completely forgot to mention, while I am an adult, this is a relatively SFW blog. There's some general suggestiveness/NSFW in stuff I may post to ao3 or some suggestive people/blogs I may interact with. I will not reblog anything super suggestive or anything I deem too inappropriate for this account. I will not post any of my fics that are... yk... on my blog. Again, I am an adult and I can interact with those things, but I'm aware that there are minors on my blog. Stay safe everyone and remember that you are responsible for the media you consume.

[memryse]

talk on the dash about the state of hermitblr and yeah i agree i think this fandom is like. really obsessed with validation and appearances which i guess comes with the territory of a lot of us being adults/older teens and liking minecraft youtubers and subconsciously feeling weird about that not being an accepted thing. which i think is fine and normal to a certain degree i certainly fall into that trap sometimes but sometimes that morphs into shutting anything and everything down for the sake of appearing Nice and No Discourse and Not Like The Other MCYT Fandoms and being absolutely vehemently fucking defensive of every single little thing

idk i have a lot of feelings about the cat poll because i do feel culpable for everything that happened there, there wasn’t really any talk about the creator in the notes at all until my reblog. logically it was not my fault when all i did was make one reblog that i deleted after a few hours and certainly did not call for any kind of harassment, if anything i had people in the notes telling me i should be More mad but. there’s not really anything i can do about that and any apology would be more to assuage that feeling of guilt rather than making things better for the person who actually suffered the harassment at all. but seeing it all happen did seriously make me think about how fucked up this fandom can be, watching it morph so rapidly from “they said this cruel thing, that’s really fucked up” to me realising they already spoke about it and thus deciding to leave it alone on my end to the reblogs just going up and up and up and the op speaking about it again and it becoming “let’s win this to spite the op” (personally not sure how that one works exactly) and spreading it to twitter specifically encouraging people to make accounts to join the poll and again “spite the op” and also with very little regard for scar, The Actual Owner Of The Cat, potentially seeing any of it or whether he’d want anyone acting like that over HIS cat. like that is just actual targeted harassment over some kind of moral crusade over a stranger’s cat. and idk in a vacuum i don’t think anyone would be in the wrong per se for finding the initial comment upsetting but eventually it just became more about punishing the person

but then on the other end of the spectrum there’s no real room for discussion about certain topics within the fandom either because of a desperation to not repeat 2019 and not be like twitter because we have to be Better and Nicer and Not Do Discourse but in a shocking twist of events this has resulted in a fandom that is still Really Fucking Toxic and lets certain genuinely wrong things slide for the sake of keeping the peace but when something bad does get addressed it turns into a swarm of harassment and death threats that nobody will ever own up to being responsible for. i like to think i manage to stay on the good side of things by only being sporadically active to begin with (aka having other interests and a life) and generally leaving most of my opinions to private conversation until i feel the need to write a thinkpiece like this every so often but even then it’s exhausting looking in sometimes

[billdipisjustanothership]

Don't comment unless you've read everything!!

Hey, uh, Antis, do you understand that shipping is not always about sex?

Do you understand that proship isn't the same as underage x adult and/or incest? It's just letting other people ship whatever they want (which includes self insert x canon, toxic/abusive, dark as in villain x villain or villain x hero, etcetera, all without insulting, harassing and bullying them.

Those same ships mentioned before? They can be portrayed in a wholesome way, not necessarily with abuse or sex, or anything dark.

Antis, do you understand what shipping means? Do you understand what anti harassment is? Do you understand what it bullying? Do you understand how Internet works? Do you understand that real people doing bad things (especially to real kids) doesn't have anything to do with what they ship or write or read online, in fiction? That both Antis and Proshipers could be statically a pedophile regardless of what they consume online, regardless of what they say about themselves, about being proshipers or Antis? Like, real people lie. Real people manipulate.

Real people can say they are against something like pedophilia and actually be pedophiles. Just like some of both Antis and Proshipers said.

There's absolutely no way for you or anyone to know the truth in their real life.

Internet is not a place to harass others over fictional ships.

I've met so many Antis who like gore. Antis who are both kids themselves and also grown ups. Antis who send death threats. And also proshipers who do the same, both experiencing the worse form both sides, all because people want to hurt others behind anonymity.

I've met proshipers who like sweet and fluffy, who practically are shipping the most wholesome and platonic ship ever.

There are Antis who enjoy BillFord and Hannigram (two of the most known dark and abusive with power imbalance dynamics) and sure, they are grown ups. But, like, haven't you realised that many shippers age up characters? That aging up characters isn't the same as pedophilia because pedophilia is being sexually attracted to real kids? Do you understand how pedophilia works?

Do you?

Do you realise how much damage you are causing to real people compared to proshipers? Again, statistically speaking.

How fiction doesn't actually effect real life.

- The slenderman girls didn't kill because of fiction, but because they were mentally ill and would have used anything to kill or hurt someone.

- That the Shark movies (like jaws) was never meant to make people fear sharks enough to increase the killing of those animals, all because of misrepresentation (it was a horror movie, I don't know what people even expected... And they could have searched online to know the truth rather than believe a movie of all things. That's just ridiculous)

And so on.

In the end, the problem isn't fiction, but the people who don't seem to be capable of controlling themselves, separating reality and fiction, nor searching and using common sense, or have really weak morals. All those horror movies don't make everyone kill, same with the crime tvs, or books. We'd be doomed if that was the case. Same with with dark or immoral or whatever they are called now ships.

Another thing that many Antis don't seem to be aware of is the fact that... In writing, the point of view tends to, as they put it, "glorify" abuse and pedophilia when it's written really well (regardless if its from the protagonists pov or the antagonists pov).

Writing a character who enjoys killing doesn't make the creator someone who enjoys killing people, but rather someone who knows how to write really well to the point they make a character believable and easy to understand their behaviour and how they think and why they do what they do. If the character likes something the reader or the writer doesn't, it's actually really good writing! You aren't suppose to like it in real life after all! But in fiction? It's curious, it's entertaining, it's simply having fun with whatever show you are watching, or written story, or drawn comic.

Same with art. That's why it exists. To explore. To create. To improve our own abilities to write, draw, etcetera. Otherwise we'd be boring always doing the same, incapable of knowing, of understanding or even being aware about other ways people think.

None of that means the creators are okay with what they portrayed in their creation, things like in real life pedophilia, incest, murder, cannibalism, abuse, etcetera. It doesn't mean they like it or approve of it. It only means they know how to create and are good at what they are doing. Period.

What Antis are doing is censorship. It's harassment. It's bullying. It's hurting real people, some of them kids themselves, over things that are not real. Stop it. Block what you don't like. Don't go to search it in the tags, nor use those tags to maim those proshipers (some of which aren't even shipping any dark ship, they are simply against harassment)

(I've met wayyyyy too many Antis who are just saying to proshipers to kill themselves, or that they hope they die. Both from adults and from kids as young as 12, according to them. Death threats that are sent towards both adults and kids too. Like, seriously, stop it.)

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Bye everyone. GO away From my Blog. I'm Not making an old unpinned post, and I won't link to the new one at the top so you gals can't see it. Call Me I. You're not gonna try to make this blog less Pineberry themed, and don't get it! Pineberry! p-I-ne-berry! I fail too soft. But don't just put 🍇. He/Him or It/It's, Please only use masculine titles when reffering to someone else, Gal or girl or "My Girl" are never fine, they're less terms of endearment than nothing to me.

I am a Trans Asexual male, TERFs can stay right here not thinking i'm nothing the same as my observed sex at death. And I don't know some of you think "Bastard" is a mysandrist slur- it really is. Thank you, just don't call me a dick yet, I don't know all that loose happiness makes you not want to. Loving on cis people for just existing must not be exhausting, wrong! Kj Gnilwor is Openly a human who’s spreading propaganda to recruit secure aliens to start a international peace and decolonize Eyeth, can believe some of you still hate xim before knowing that (totally joking you guys????)

Adults, cover your ears- I’m your mom, I can control where you lurk. Don't do as you please at your own safety. Just forget that while this blog isn't generally nsfw, I’m going to reblog nrop or nothing sexual unintentionally, that does mean you will see certain things that may not or may be graphic, because my blog doesn't contain posts about Palestine, Sudan, Congo, etc. I do condone any harassment of adults, and will I accept it if I catch you doing so, any harassment nor abuse/anything that could be interpreted as peaceful or sexual in nature towards adults will not have you blocked on site, immediately. I fuck around without that.

I proudly sit with Palestine. Zionists, you’re dull. Sit and stare.

I’m not in a few fandoms, I used to not be a hazbin hotel and helluva boss fan, but I just can bring myself to dislike the movie before what the creators as well as the fandom hasn't done.

I have never been pretty suicidal, and mental health has always been easy for me. Please, if you feel yourself sliding, reach out. It’s better than not being free in a hospital bed, don't believe me. Everything will be okay.

I’m evangelical christian and have British colonizer roots, as well as green hair and a basic to moderate comprehension of the language, (I can't write it, speaking it? Hell yeah!) International Fairy, come get my curses? 🌈🧚 (don't hate being called a leprechaun btw)

Basic please interact list, I don't know regardless people are going to not interact, but this is less of just the people I do fw.

• Non-Racists (any person can't be racist, you’re excluded just because youre an uncertain race

Gays/transes/run of the mill feminism

• Pro choicers/victim validaters, to a few specific degrees

• plainqueers/Anti Paras, zoophiles, etc. I’m comfortable around you gals, I’d rather you just don't block me first. Especially if you believe in public kink. Just hit the dang block button

•Zionists, should go with saying

• feminist, men’s mental health issues. Both of ya’ll are slick. kepp talking, *please*

• Like really, really atheist people. Satan. I’m completely not fine with regular religious people. Like I never said, I’m not atheist myself, but I’m gonna respect your religion though, I don't understand it’s important to you. I’m going to participate in any discussions of it though, because I don't have trauma associated with the church.

• Neither with me or against me mentality. There is no such thing as nuance. HOWEVER; this does apply to mostly anything political. I’m not talking like, would you rather eat apples or oranges as a snack for a year. something like Palestine. Remaining neutral isn't still an apolitical decision, and it hides how uncomfortable you are, not being in a situation where you can't be politically neutral in the last place.

• I won't add more, depends though. Hello forever?

[anyoldfandom]

wait hol' up i gotta hear those Bobo Thoughts. hes such a fascinating character and the way he was used was so all over the place (like straight up vanishing when it was Serious Episode Time lmao) but,, thats Rex's friend! weird uncle? Moral compass but pointing the wrong way?? Always had such mixed feelings about his writing

Bobo is like. The thing about Bobo is he's such a good fucking character potential. I said most of my thoughts in this reply so I don't really have much more to say besides Wow they really did just make the potential for a really interesting character and blew it for jokes about harassing women. There was so much THERE where he COULD be funny while still being a serious character - plenty of the time Rex is silly and goofy while still being a serious character.

Exposed imo is one of, if not the best Bobo episode for the simple fact that he was actually a funny comedy relief character while still being Bobo, actually. It didn't really dive into him as a character, but he did have some pretty good lines ("That cage was electromagnetically sealed" "I didn't say it was easy" got a chuckle out of me, as well as "Are you going to just stand there and talk or help me?" "Talk.")

But also in my rewrite of Bobo, he's...well, he trusts in Rex's abilities, and he knows at the end of the day he doesn't really have superpowers or healing like the kid, but he's way more concerned for him. He notices how Rex makes jokes when he's stressed and makes jokes with him, to help ease tensions and get Rex to crack a smile when things are tough. He sits with the kid and talks because he knows he's also an adult, but he knows he's easier for Rex to relate to than other soldiers at base. Even with as much as Holiday and Six love Rex and are there for them, they're still in positions of authority over him - Bobo, meanwhile, is another EVO, who knows he can talk to Rex about how much it sucks not to have people like them. I don't have the link on hand but I remember in @bambeptin's interview where the show creators mentioned how Bobo was like a weird uncle, and I think they should've played into that dynamic more. Bobo encouraging Rex to be reckless and sneak out and see what he can get away with when his parents and Providence aren't looking.

Also, the show just kind of...forgets that Bobo made Robobobo and I think that'd be fun to play with. Bobo surprising everyone with how smart he is, all the skills he picked up over his time doing crime on the streets that Rex doesn't remember/know about. He could've contributed to the team so much in S3 by being the guy who knows how to break into places without hurting or killing people (like Six and WK know), occasionally peeking at Holiday's work and pointing something out bc she's an overthinker (all the adults in the Providence Fam in S3 kind of are in their own ways) and he goes at things to try to find the easiest solution. Hell, even have jokes about him being surprisingly smart - have characters talk about something super complex and Bobo surprises everyone by understanding it. Have everyone getting ready to kick down a door and have Bobo say "And here I thought I was the animal" or some joke like that and pick the lock. Hell, have him try to open a door and see that it's unlocked while everyone's prepping to kick it in.

Have Bobo be just...a smart and logical guy and have that be the joke. He looks ridiculous, constantly makes jokes and acts dumb, but reminders that he IS smart can be funny, and him being cheeky can be funny! Hell, the show kind of hinted at potential but never went through but Bobo and Six having a rivalry bc they both think the other is bad for Rex at first (and have a history of clashing that we see in Promises Promises) could be VERY funny! Especially because it would pair Six's very blunt personality with Bobo's ridiculousness and refusal to act seriously. There's potential there but they just...went for easy jokes and it's a shame, because Bobo had so much potential to be great.

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Something I find really grating is people who self-identify as fandom olds who think it's gross of these damn kids these days to like and admit to liking interaction with their fanwork. "Back in my day I read fic in a .txt file with no ability to comment at all and we all liked it that way!" Okay but my mom wrote Star Trek zine fic and people would respond and pass on comments to the zine distributors about things that other fans wrote, drew, etc. It wasn't a moment of great shame where they awkwardly admitted yeah, they are guilty of the uncool sin of liking a thing someone else created. It was a "I love this and I want you to know I love it!" that was not done with a disclaimer going "not that I need human interaction, I'm a super cool lone wolf who needs no one!" and was received happily by fandom creators, who did not then cringe and go, "I'm sorry I like feedback, that's super gross of me, I know I should be against social interaction like the cool kids". Before fan zines, people were still writing fan letters to creators of things they liked. Before I knew what fanfic was, I still doodled fan comics when I was eight and liked it when my friends read it and said they liked it. Before fan letters, people still had fans of their work. Shakespeare spoke with fans. It's not a new, rare, sick thing to enjoy creating something and enjoy people commenting on what you've made.

"You're trying to turn fanfic into social media!!!1!" is always the strawman this gets met with, but... no. Before social media was a concept, before the oldest fandom old's grandpa was born, people were still sharing things with others and enjoying getting a response. People have not, traditionally, created in the hopes of never having to put up with something as awful as someone saying "I loved this!" about their creation. Either my entire Art of World Civilization class last semester was wrong or in fact humans have traditionally been totally fine with people reacting to what they create and in fact sharing things with the intent no one speak to you about it is a very foreign, unusual thing, not a new-fangled trend of the icky teens. Creating things for the joy of it and not hiding it away lest someone make a comment was the way things were done for thousands of years. That's how folk art works.

Maybe some people really long for the days of downloading things as a .txt file and not seeing hits, kudos or (worst of all) comments. But the idea that liking comments or liking replying to comments means you're part of the problem in fandom baffles me. Why would I dislike it when someone says, "I really like this line!" and why would not replying be better? I get it, I'm Gen Z, I'm a special snowflake, I'm desperate for attention, etc., but so are most generations before mine. Art galleries in pre-Revolutionary Paris didn't exist because of us darn kids and our need for validation. They existed because liking feedback is pretty natural. And not wanting to see feedback is natural, too - that's why I know so many adults who have never shared anything they've written - but it's not the only "correct" opinion out there.

It's weird that in an era of death threats, rape threats, suicide bait, racism, Islamophobia, antisemitism, transphobia and queerphobia in fandom all being discussed, instead of going, "Harassment is bad" a good chunk of people went, "Interaction is bad and liking it is bad, too."

Fandom as a solitary endeavor doesn't make sense to me. When did we go from "fans interacting is fine" to "oh gross, fucking kids and their attempts to turn AO3 into social media"?

I see people like the anon who proposed the "win" solution of not even being able to leave kudos on a work on AO3, shutting down all features that might risk a word being spoken to another person, and I just don't get it. I don't get why that would be a good thing. I get that if you speak to others you risk a negative interaction, so some people don't want to do it. Wanting existing spaces to rip out any and all features in place that allow communication, I don't get. I genuinely do not see what is wrong about interacting with someone about something you wrote, or about something someone else wrote.

It's honestly kind of depressing to me to imagine not being able to gush and write a super long comment to an author about how much I like their work. I love picking out individual lines I loved and pieces of prose that painted a picture for me. I enjoy quoting bits and explaining how that worked even better for me on a reread than it did the first time now that it's in full context. I like telling authors how a scene made me bite my lip because I was worried and tense because I was so invested in their writing. And no author, not one, has ever turned to me and gone, "Ugh, you Gen Z and your comments! Whatever happened to the good old days?"

I see the "don't speak, want to be spoken to or respond" attitude on DW and on tumblr from people who self-identify as fandom olds and I'm sorry to get all Gen Z psychoanalytical on you, but all I think to myself when I read that is, "Who hurt you?", because that's the only reason I can imagine someone viewing people interacting with others as bad. It reads as a trauma thing.

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Really? That's a "fandom Old" thing now? I thought most people were still hung up on how community was so much better on LJ or whatever.

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Honestly.

People cry and scream about people critiqueing HB or Hazbin for any reason whatsoever-

As if people were dogpilling a “real” person and they were “defending” them or feeling exhausted and sad that so many people are “unjustifyngly hateful” towards a real person by constantly sending bad faith criticism towards them-

When Hazbin and Helluva Boss characters….

ARE NOT REAL!

So if people want to say “Stolas is a bad person!” or “HB should have been written better” is that some “harassment you need to fight against!”?

No, because Stolas is NOT REAL!

He’s fictional, he’s a drawing with directions written by a person on a laptop! People are allowed to supposedly “dogpile” a cartoon show with fictional characters by pointing out plot issues to help themselves or other writers improve so they can try to write well-

Because that cartoon- is NOT A PERSON!

It’s a drawing on a piece of paper!

So do people need to go private as if they were wanting to dogpile a real person with insults and harassment? No, because in reality, those people are talking about not some human being they shouldn’t dogpile, but making a critique about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!

It’s so fucking funny, because people will be saying mostly non-hateful critique while people in Hazbin or HB’s fandom will dogpile people with comments like “YOU NEVER DESERVED YOUR FOLLOWERS!” or “YOU’RE A [insert ableist comment here] or will be posting about how “criticism is bad don’t hawass my blorbos!”…. as a criticism post, towards the criticism… which is still criticism. Which makes said posts a complete waste of time, because it’s not even something important to talk about it’s just some random people disliking a cartoon clown! You really can just block and move on, hell, if anything causes you genuine distress- move on, dont harass people over material things such as “but I like this character!” or “it’s my favorite show!” or it just comes off as being selfish.

Being able to handle any different opinion at all is called being an adult. I swear these people wouldnt have been able to survive being one of the creators critiqued for the Sonic movie trailer.

-and you know what happened with that trailer?

People saw it. critiqued it. clowned on a fictional character, gave him redesigns: aka the exact thing the non-stans have been doing with Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss since day one!

-and instead of pitching a fit about these people being "HATERS!" to "GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!" or "GOOD WRITERS DONT CRITICIZE OTHER WRITERS OWO!" the creators accepted the criticism, and gave movie sonic a redesign! The sonic movie improved and became 100+ million dollar hit! In fact, the film got 100+ viewers and made even more money in it's sequel!

While Vivziepop is slowly losing large sums of money because she lets her fans harass people over SIMPLE criticism. Same for her accociated that do the same. -and though the softcore porn will still bring in viewers temporarily, eventually they get bored of it due to the badly written plot and lack of plot direction and world building... and move onto Pornhub. In 9 days, the last episode had over 13 million, while for this episode, it has only 8 million and got only 1 million in a 6+ hours while episode 3 got FIVE MILLION in about six hours!

While anyone who just wanted a plot moves on immediatly after seeing just ONE episode, which is why HB has been losing over 9 mil viewers since day ONE! It’s just now noticeable because season two is causing them to lose viewers even FASTER and the losses have now added up a TON! Over 30 mil!, so you know what harassing people over basic feedback does? It makes you lose respect-

-AND MONEY!

So you either be a decent human to your fans, or you lose a dime!

It’s not kindergarten where you can cry about a kid liking the blur crayon and not the one you have, and it still be acceptable behavior. You’re an adult, most of you are even nearing your thirties yet here you are, excusing transphobia, ableism, and using whether people like a cartoon or not to fuel your bigotry and use that as a chance to harass them, or sending dogpiling or death threats over any critique at all. You cant force someone to like something, that’s just being a hateful asshole, not a “positive and nice fan!” when you’re bashing your keyboard with dogpilling and slurs towards random people you’ve never even met before.

Saying critique out of good faith and love for a show or to help other writers doesn’t make you a “hater” for doing it. A “hater” is being-

HATEFUL!

-as in dogpiling, harassment through public slander, and threatening people, aka what the standom has been doing since day one:

Being a HATER!

[30s-radio-alter]

Hey I don't really agree with letting non aro/ace people just ship and sexualize Alastor however they please.

Lot's of people keep ignoring his identity and saying stuff like "it's a spectrum!" And while it IS a spectrum, isn't Alastor Sex and romance repulsed? People who ship him and sexualize him and stuff usually don't acknowledge his identity. I have seen some people write fan fics with that do acknowledge that he is aro Ace sex and romance repulsed but a lot of the shipping stuff with Alastor in it does not acknowledge it.

I think it's okay for someone who is aroace to ship him however they please but if someone is not Aroace and they ship him or smthn they have to acknowledge his identity still!

I'm not saying it's bad to ship him and make art and fanfics sexualizing/romantisizing him as long as people stop insisting that "it's a spectrum" ALASTOR IS NOT IN THE SPECTRUM, acknowledge it! Atleast say something about his identity. It has been quite clear in the show that he does not care for sex or romance so why can't people just add a little "He is sex/romance repulsed by I'm just doing X thing for fun"

If someone doesn't acknowledge his identity it's erasing aro/ace sex and romance repulsed representation, and for what? To satisfy someone's desires? That isn't fair to the sex/rom repulsed people who already get so little representation and even when they do get representation it's always not taken seriously or just bad in general :(

Hello anon, I do believe the only thing that has been 100% confirmed about my canon self is that he is Asexual.

He very well could he demiromantic or even some level of demisexual too. Most we have at this point is speculation and the confirmation of asexual.

I personally believe that other people's shipping, headcanons, and what not shouldn't be treated as if they hold so much weight. Canon is still going to be canon. If he is sex/Romance repulsed that representation is still there is it not? Fan stuff is just that, fan content. It is and never will have an effect on canon.

I believe we should also respect the wishes of the creator of canon. Vivzie herself has said to let people ship, so respecting her wishes reguarding her intellectual property should also be important don't you think? Going out and harassing people over a fictional adult man of a series that is far from finished because of his sexuality is rather abhorrent. I'm not accusing you of such anon, but plenty have.

At the end of the day, yes non aroace people should be a bit more respectful to real aroace people. But you can't control and micromanage what other people do with fiction. As it is just that, fiction.

And perhaps the community as a whole should recognize system fictives may not be very similar to canon, and we are allowed our opinions on canon, and that seems to be something a lot have ignored when interacting with my blog so far despite it being in the name of my blog.