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LEO VALDEZ DATING HCS





pairing: leo valdez x reader (godly parent not specified)
a/n: sorry for the super duper slow updates, my life has been a mess🫶🏼
ೀ friends to lovers is a trope owned by leo valdez and no one can change my mind
ೀ he’s such a shameless flirt
ೀ nicknames in spanish.
ೀ i repeat
ೀ nicknames in spanish.
ೀ he’s such a fun person to be around
ೀ always cracking jokes and all that
ೀ but
ೀ hold up
ೀ he doesn’t crack jokes at times when you don’t feel like hearing them, even though he’s known for doing that to others, you’re his exception
ೀ you two went everywhere together
ೀ quest? together
ೀ spending nights at bunker 9? not without you
ೀ he felt guilty for making you stay there though
ೀ but then you started ranting about how much you loved staying there
ೀ and he just couldn’t say no to you
ೀ or your pretty face
ೀ but we all know that you didn’t really think bunker 9 was the most comfortable place to sleep in
ೀ you just wanted to stay with your repair boy
ೀ after being two idiots who were very much in love but would never admit it
ೀ your friends got sick of it
ೀ y’know what that meaaannssss
ೀ at first percy and annabeth started talking about it
ೀ apparently piper and jason also had discussed it before (mostly piper)
ೀ frank and hazel are just there yknow
ೀ chilling
ೀ with no clue about what’s going on
ೀ anyway
ೀ doing very couple-ish things all together
ೀ there were eight of you.
ೀ obviously meaning that
ೀ you and leo had to be dragged into all of that
ೀ which neither of you complained about
ೀ but you wouldn’t say it
ೀ going on carnival dates <3
ೀ well they weren’t technically dates for you and leo
ೀ but they felt like dates
ೀ the other six ditched you every second
ೀ and you two still managed to be clueless
ೀ smh
ೀ honestly thank the gods for piper
ೀ when you AND leo both found out about your feelings at the same time
ೀ you were both ranting to her
ೀ cause she’s the daughter of aphrodite
ೀ ykyk
ೀ and also a great friend
ೀ but she needed a break atp
ೀ hearing both of you yap about each other not knowing that the other feels the same
ೀ until one day she had ENOUGH
ೀ bro was tired fr
ೀ so she decided to make both of you a bit jelly
ೀ not a bit tbh, a lot
ೀ yk, telling leo that the new guy from cabin 7 was talking about asking you out
ೀ or telling you that one of her sisters were going to make a move on leo at the bonfire tonight
ೀ leo couldn’t let some guy try to make a move on his girl
ೀ and you couldn’t either
ೀ so
ೀ both of you decided to confess at the same time
ೀ leo walked up to you just as you were about to find him
ೀ “can we go somewhere private?”
ೀ such a simple sentence left you speechless, only managing a nod
ೀ “i don’t want you to go out with him” leo blurted out
ೀ “with who?” you asked, did you have a date you forgot about?
ೀ “andrew, the new guy from 7?”
ೀ “i’m not going on a date with him, oh wait- piper...”
ೀ silence. total silence.
ೀ “i have something to-“
ೀ “i have to tell y-“
ೀ you couldn’t help but laugh at that, “go ahead.”
ೀ“i would say ‘ladies first’, but i have to say this, ever since i stepped a foot in camp, i’ve had a crush on you, so will you do the honors of being my girl?”
ೀ “i’d love to.”
ೀ “so would it be okay if i-“
ೀ “shut up, valdez”
ೀ and he did shut up, because his tongue was too busy being down your throat
ೀ ok what.
ೀ anyway
ೀ after that night, your friends wished they never set you two up
ೀ they were just jealous that you two were a better couple than them
ೀ or that’s what you thought
ೀ leo was actually the best boyfriend you could ask for
ೀ he would make you the coolest gifts ever
ೀ any kind of jewellery a girl could dream of
ೀ he made it
ೀ flowers that never die, all yours
ೀ honestly you can’t recall a night that you haven’t slept without leo in winter
ೀ slept.
ೀ he kept you so warm when it was cold out
ೀ cause he’s your fireboy
ೀ he’s so touchy and always has to have his arm around you somehow
ೀ but he wouldn’t be much of a pda guy
ೀ especially it it makes you uncomfortable.
#leo valdez x reader#leo valdez#leo valdez x you#percy jackson and the olympians#heroes of olympus#luke castellan#jason grace#frank zhang x reader#connor stoll x reader#travis stoll x reader#jason grace x poseidon!reader#jason grace x reader
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Maybe i was away from tumblr and fandoms as a whole for too long, but im honestly confused as to why people think that charlastor content=Charlie cheating on Vaggie? Wtf?
What, does this change the canon somehow? Do the characters themselves get offended lol? Im just so, so very confused... at what point did people took shipping so personally or dictated fan content must be faithful to canon??? This limits not only the fun but creativity as a whole!
Sorry for the rant, im just very confused because this is not the only fandom where ive seen this happening lately, smh.
Again, this is the result of normies discovering fandom during the pandemic and deciding to claim it without doing research into fandom etiquette.
Like, yes, antis and sticks in the mud have existed since fandom was solely analog, but they were a much smaller, much less annoying part of fandom. I do find it funny since one of the other problematic ships I'm into rn (ghostfang from spiderverse, look it up, get addicted with me) has a character who literally becomes the villain of the story due to his obsession with "maintaining the canon". I'm not kidding; they took on the entire concept of a person caring WAY too much about the canon and turned them into a bad guy.
As for charlastor meaning that Charlie cheated... I mean, some shippers like cheating subplots. Some people use it to vaggie bash because they really don't like her character. The problem is that they find one since fic or art and ascribe it to the ENTIRE group of shippers. (Side note, my condolences to the chaggiestor shippers because they arguably get it worse since they have to be like: am I a joke to you? All the time).
The funniest part of all of that is every single fucking charlastor fic I've read post show drop keeps vaggie and Charlie's dynamic EXACTLY THE SAME as it's depicted in the show. They're just explicitly NOT a couple either because they broke up or because they never dated to begin with. And look at that? Not a single thing about their characters is changed so it's almost like the relationship aspect of their whole relationship was an after thought when it came to the writing.
I could also go on about how vaggie doesn't pass the sexy lamp test for 95% of the season but that's a rant for another day. Or the rampant bi and acephobia. Actually the biphobia thing I'll include because it's topically relevant. One thing bi and pan people CONSTANTLY have to deal with in fandom and irl is the conflation that being attracted to multiple types of people means you are automatically going to fuck everyone; ESPECIALLY when it's a bisexual female character. Sluttiness is not a result of being bi, look at Angel dust for crying out loud! Or fucking... Blitz! Look at blitz! Blitz fucks anyone that's open for it for most of the season and no one says a goddamn word about him being a slut. Or moxxie. Moxxie's bi and he doesn't immediately jump back into bed with his ex even when everyone around him's pushing him to. But even if he DID I'm sure no one would cry that he's cheating on his wife about it. At the very least nowhere to the extent that Charlie would get heat for it.
And the notion that Charlie the bisexual in the relationship would do the cheating is rooted in that same biphobia and misogyny that affects most of how the rest of the fandom characterizes her since somehow she's just a naive uwu baby who can't think for herself and needs vaggie there to "protect" her or else she'll sell her soul to the first sinner that asks for it.
Please understand that if I roll my eyes any harder they will physically pop out of my head.
I personally don't like how a lot of non charlastor shippers tend to write Charlie anyways. I'm very particular about her characterization so I know by and large the safest bet to not see her totally Mary-sue'd is to read fics by my fellow shippers. And yeah, the cheating thing is a major no no for me except in the VERY specific instance of Charlie finding herself attracted to Alastor and doing everything in her power not to let it make her realize that her relationship with vaggie is over. She never actually cheats on vaggie, physically or emotionally, but the more she tries to fight the fact that she's growing attracted to someone else the more she has to take stock of herself and realize what's going wrong in her current relationship that that's happening. And again, it's like... maybe 3 total fics in all of the charlastor ones that tackle that. And that's fine! It's not something that should be on offer all the time. Essentially the cheating concept is something I only like if it's used for character studies and development is what I'm trying to say.
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not my aunt fucking ranting at me to not take another Covid booster bc it will kill me and that the train derailments years ago and the constant plane crashes now are due to Covid shots, except for the first one with the military helicopter, that one was mind control. The Covid shots are contributing to my health problems! The Covid shots were put out there to purposefully kill people! And also everything in movies, like the Bourne Identity movies, all that is real! If it's in a movie like that it's real! I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's real!
LIKE BRO PLEEEAAASSSSEEEE DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF. It's so fucking sad knowing she used to be the cool aunt who actually HAD A FUNCTIONING BRAIN 🥲
God I wish my sister's visit was reversed, to where she was staying at my aunt's the first few days, and at my dad's the last few days. Like I cannot sit there and listen to my aunt and uncle go on and on about that bullshit their maga cult is brainwashing than with, not to mention religion and homo/transphobic shit on top of that. But I want to be able to see my sister and finally meet my niece. There is no winning here man 🙃 I REALLY want to see how the fuck they'd react to me coming out of the closet to them about being lgbtq+ 🤣 probably try to say how religion can save me or whatever. I've never been open to that side of the family bc all their religion shit, especially after knowing my aunt left her old church after they announced their support of lgbtq+ ministers and etc. she was even in a lesbian relationship at one point too. like... fucking truthfully smh 🙄
I wish my dad was closer to them and not 40 mins away so I could just stay with him and his wife. he is UNFORTUNATELY republican too, but at least he isn't a maga cultist. and his wife is actually NOT a republican, and has a fucking brain.
i want my aunt and uncle to tell me TO MY FACE how they think the fucking tarrifs are good. how they think their union busting billionaire overlords have the interest of ANYONE but themselves and the others like them. how this about is tooootally not effecting my career in the SHIPPING INDUSTRY, and not destroying small businesses left and right on top of that. tell me how them ~illegal aliens~ have stolen all our jobs, and not the uhhhhhh huge corporations who fired their American workforces and hired cheap foreign workers they pay pennies to to do the jobs instead. tell me how we're supposed to produce everything here when we uhhhhh don't have to fucking infrastructure to do so. tell me how less regulations on EVERYTHING is helping American citizens stay safe at work, as well as have access to safe food NOT riddled with bird flu and salmonella, even tho i just know she claim the bird flu is a conspiracy 🤣
and of course, how about them fucking egg prices, huh? 😋 except that last one wouldn't work since a different aunt and their fam raise chickens, so egg prices absolutely don't effect them all 😑
anyways i need to go into the store now lmao so that's the end of that rant for now
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(im talking about the characters q!, not the cc!)
imo no one else seems to understand the landduo/foolhalo relationship is much much deeper than "he's a friend who annoys me and i love to annoy him" or "they are secretly in love" in fact i might be as bold as to say NO ONE does till this day. which is pretty funny how they understand and notice the littlest things about each other but no one can see their deep bond despite that... tho to be fair Bad has said multiple times that he praises Foolish till high heaven from his skills, smarts, to his good looks but he would never ever admit it or say it to his face. (he RARELY does actually so when it happens, we all cheer and die) same for foolish.
Jaiden, who is probably one of the closest to Foolish rn said recently no one else takes Foolish srsly or that they are like outcasts of the island or that no one cares for Leo (para). and im like um theres literally Bad who cares a lot for Foolish and Leo. and has said multiple times that he is much more intelligent than ppl have granted him to be (but ofc she doesn't know, she doesn't know the early moments where they would hang out together almost all the time, constant banter, she doesn't know of THE convo where Bad literally for his advice and was treating and talking to him like two gamemasters in equal footing talking about the games they will play, she doesn't know should anything happen to Bad, he left Dapper in Foolish's care, Foolish constantly leaves Leo in Bad's care, she doesn't know that Leo loves and adores his Tio Bad, she doesn't know a lot of their "true hidden" relationship/sides, she doesn't know how easy Foolish can read Bad like an open book like that mine roulette game which i think she participated but not when both bad and foolish were playing iirc etc etc) not to mention theres also Roier who cares a lot for Leo and vice versa and constantly thinks about her (but this post about foolhalo so i digress)
There was also that moment with Bagi and Tubbo where they were like go ahead and cage Foolish or smtg. like daring Bad to do it. Bad was like aww thats no fun, its boring (cuz yk theres no song and dance, theres no arguing back n forth, it was just that). so when foolish shows up and bad was like hey could u step in ig *shrugs* Foolish was like urgh ok ig. I still remember Bagi's and Tubbos reaction, they were like mildly surprised. like ok what now. Bagi then said to Foolish, hey Bad is insane. Foolish then replied, yeah i fcking knew that already (in a so what tone) and again, Bagi seemed slightly taken aback. Tubbo then went on a rant about them being in love or smtg idk.
or the time when Bad would make a torture chamber for Foolish which he willingly went along cuz why not. and ppl were making angst about it as if Foolish didn't just walk into the torture chamber willingly to play a fun torture game with Bad smh.
also the time when Foolish was hiding his hurt over Leo's absence but Bad knew deep inside he feels deeply. that time where Foolish will run away from everyone else when confronted about his feelings but finally stood silently besides Bad in comfort, instead of a hug. (wasn't Jaiden there for that?)
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theres soooo many foolhalo landduo moments where so many fans just blatantly ignore, like they have selective memory. genuinely confuses me everytime, like are we even watching the same POV.
theres also a lot of moments where ppl were gen mad at bad for the pranks n shit, like its 2023 ppl, we've been thru with this already in dsmp, do better pls. (ik them be new fans but still urgh)
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matchup for.. @haruka-norikoyo
Hey girlll, here’s your matchup! Blue lock edition!

possible candidates:

1st matchup… Yoichi Isagi! Okay, let’s be real, Isagi is like one of the most boyfriend-coded guys in Blue Lock. i mean thoughtful, driven, and the right amount of competitive without being overbearing. 🤭(Assuming you haven’t read the manga..) You’re also super active in school, and Isagi gives the same energy but in sports so idkk I feel like you two would just get each other.
And let’s talk about how you’re a hopeless romantic. The moment he realizes that? Game over. He’s 100% the type to accidentally say something like “you’re amazing” like he wouldn’t even notice it?? But the second he catches on??? Oh this man is absolutely going to start doing it on purpose.
Cute headcanons:
He always saves you a seat next to him,
He’s on the train waiting for you and there’s a pregnant woman standing within a noticeable distance or an old person??
yeah sorry they’re gonna have to stand..
he also definitely remembers random little details about you, like how you like your food prepared (he might even try to cook it for you, with interesting results to say the least..)
He would absolutely start associating bees with you

2nd matchup… Meguru Bachira
here me out.. bachira is SO good at bringing people out of their shell. You don’t start conversations unless you know where they’re going? Doesn’t matter, because Bachira’s WILL start them for you. And the way he hypes you up?? You could just be standing there minding your own business and he’s literally be bouncing up and down ranting about how cool you look
Bachira wound absolutely drag you in the most creative, fun dates. art dates? Yes. Late-night bike rides? Yes. Making a Minecraft house with a little mini house for your pet bees? Yup.
Cute headcanons:
Calls you the silliest, affectionate nicknames that make NO sense
Bachira would so draw little doodles on your school notes when you’re not looking.
be would wanna play ultimate frisbee but wouldn’t understand the rules at all 😭
You know that friend that always puts their cold hands on your face or down your back
Bachira.

Final matchup.. Nagi Seishiro!
Okk this honestly did come to me immediately I feel like you kinda attract more of an easy going, and not intense person, and that literally exudes nagi. (I can’t believe I used ‘exude’ in a sentence, oh my days..)
anyways, the way you 2 are eerily similar and also different? Like y’all daydream, and both like anime, but you’re also active in school events (you would NEVER catch nagis lazy ass doing that) and how you’re a hopeless romantic? Yeah, safe to say that doesn’t really describe nagi.. I mean he’s just floating around man.
I could imagine you two meeting for a school project, maybe you had some interest in him for his interesting.. attitude in school, or maybe how he ALWAYS manages to rank near top in test scores. (😡) whatever that parts irrelevant. But the second he compliments you? Like he calls you a silly nickname casually? Or he somehow makes you laugh?? 🤭
that was the day nagi got you hook line and sinker, without even knowing it i might add.. (honestly same girl)
Cute headcanons:
ok, we ALL know nagis a lazy bum, but for you?
I mean it’s not perfect.. but at least he tries!
Think trying to show up on time, cooking you meals the way he likes it, making a little home for you both in Minecraft, giving you his hoodies
He IS the definition of a quality time warrior 😔✊ (stand tall nagi)
And OMG like I could rant about this all day, but nagi would absolutely ADORES the height diff yall have going on, hes 6’3? And you’re 5’0? (~190cm and ~152cm for all you non Americans)
he’s ABSOLUTELY going to tease you on that.
And when you 2 are taking a mid day nap? Yeah expect to be awoken by his heavy ass
smh and this bum wouldn’t even MOVE
Like you need to go to the bathroom?
“5 more minutes..”
—— 🎧🌿
hii I hope you liked your matchup! Please take your time on the drawing,, as always feel free to ask and questions or comments.
#blue lock matchup#blue lock#matchups#bachira meguru#bllk matchup#nagi x reader#nagi seishiro x reader#isagi yoichi x reader#isagi yoichi#i hate writing tags#bachira meguru x reader
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part 8 of the Buddie Development Rant
part 1 | part 2 | part 3 | part 4 | part 5 | part 6 | part 7 | part 8 | part 9 | part 10
S4:E4 9-1-1, What’s your grievance?
i’m sorry but the scene where Buck is punching the punching bag and Eddie is right beside it is kindaaa…
S4:E5 Buck begins
One thing that i can take away from Eddie and Buck’s interactions, especially in this episode, is that they understand each other like no one else. Eddie tells Buck that he knew why he had to go into that fire, and something in his eyes makes me think that Buck felt like he didn’t have to explain anything to Eddie
S4:E6 Jinxed
bonus: did anyone notice all the women checking out Buck at 13:56 😂
and then Buck looking angry/confused when eddie said he had a date with Anna
S4:E7 There Goes the Neighborhood
why did Buck have to go on a date with the most annoying woman ever, i think it was weird timing with Eddie starting to date again.
And then they decide to keep her as Albert’s gf, but all of her traits are gone now? i felt like they introduced an anarchist and pessimist and then she starts dating Albert and it all goes away? plot device smh
S4:E8 Breaking Point
Buck babysitting Christopher while Eddie’s out on his date :”) and when he’s home Buck asks how did the date go and Eddie tells him “she taught me math” and he wasn’t lying??
S4:E12 Treasure Hunt
Eddie heard treasure hunt and immediately told buck we’d make a good team :) it was cute seeing them running around trying to find it, although Eddie did look sad when he found out Buck had already partnered with Taylor :(
S4:E13 Suspicion
Carla talks to Eddie and tells him that he needs to listen to his heart and not only to what Christopher needs.
At the end of the episode Eddie is shot, right in front of Buck, the world literally stopped and they looked into each other’s eyes. 😭 then when they are both on the ground Eddie reaches out with his hand to Buck. and it is said that Oliver (Buck’s actor) got their silouette tattooed after filming :”)
S4:E14 Survivors
ooohh my god. following the gunshot Buck pulls Eddie out of the middle of the streets and then carries him to get him in the truck (hot? 😃) in the truck Buck is tending to Eddie (is it a bad time to say that i love how Buck’s voice gets all high and pitchy when he’s freaked out?)
Buck “hey hey i got you, hey just… you just stay with me okay?” looking into his eyes 😭✋
Eddie “are you hurt?” (cause Buck was covered in his blood) honey you’re bleeding how can you focus on Buck (no but also let’s never forget Eddie is a BAMF who also pulled out a convoy from open fire in the war)
Buck “i need you to hang on” x2
Buck is COMPLETELY out of it shaking so much, but still all he wants to do is go with Christopher and be with him.
when he gets the news that Eddie is out of surgery he breaks down crying. guys idk about you but this doesn’t seem like simply just a friendship.
Anna calls Buck to tell him that Eddie woke up, first of all he makes sure Eddie makes a facetime call with Christopher.
Eddie “appreciate you staying with him”
Buck thought Chris should stay somewhere he knew, because carla offered to take him to her house.
Eddie “you were there for him when i couldn’t, that’s what matters.”
i love these two together, they aren’t just a bromance, they jumped straight to functional family.
Eddie babytrapped Bick, he made him Christopher’s godfather 😭 also i don’t see the big deal? a lot of people have said that it was wrong for Eddie to do that but Buck would 100% be up for the job and he already has a village that could help
“no one will ever fight as hard for my son as you”
i think this is the first time Eddie calls him Evan and it is so cute 😩
“because 😒 Evan 🙄 you came in here the other day and you said you thought it would have been better if it had been you who was shot😠”
with this we finish season 4 🫶 i’m glad i got addicted to this show because there’s so much contect and i love every single character, hope you have a great day/night and feel free to comment so we can chat!
#buck’s got this#i have been spiraling about this too much#911 abc#911 show#buddie#eddie diaz#evan buck buckely#bi buck#buck 911#buck x eddie#queer coding#911
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What was Kat's upbringing like (with having three dads)
Ermm TECHNICALLY one dad and two uncles 🤓🤓🤓🤓
UHHHH probably not the typical admech upbringing experience. She didn't have any like, tiger parent stuff. But its honestly not any typical upbringing experience in general lmfao Von Kuronar is nuts.
She's an orphan and adopted RIP but she doesn't remember her birth parents because she was literally an infant when Von Kuronar took her in. Like five months old. This guy who claims he's ALL logic NO emotion went out and adopted a baby just to spite the ecclesiarchy who was calling her blessed by the Emperor when it was his skitarii blessed by the OMNISSIAH who found her. Then he comes back to the rest of the gang ranting about the hardships of being a single father and Kalanis and Mordekai are just confused as hell.
Problem is this guy had no idea what he was doing. A SUPER old archmagos who's not only disconnected and out of touch, but also unhinged and strange in general to begin with. He's literally the worst guy you could pick for parenting. Dude yells way too much at everyone, he had to get his vocal chords augmented so they can handle the amount of yelling he does. He just seems angry all the time. Literally everything he says can be taken negatively. And he just Cannot Relate to stupid biological child problems so he has no idea what to do when she comes crying over random kid stuff and he ends up saying and doing the stupidest most braindead stuff you can imagine to try and "fix" it. I mean, dude tried his best. He read as many parenting books as possible. Let's her get away with everything (literally bans her from the biologis labs and then conveniently "forgets" the next day) And he spoils tf outta her. So then you get this weird disconnected dynamic that's literally just based off miscommunication where he loves her as his own and thinks her not wanting to be around him is just "grr my dad is old and NOT cool" but then actually she's just scared of him and every interaction is awkward as hell. He will not admit any fault though he did nothing wrong he is the best dad. UHH MORE INFO She was homeschooled. She was so bad at basic admech stuff that she would not has survived in any kinda schola and it got too expensive to keep bribing them. She does not vibe with the machine spirits and tbh didn't have much interest in them anyway. But its ok she makes up for it by being a biologis savant. Literally ten years old and doing open heart surgery sticking augmentations on people messing with clone vats. It's so weird she is so bad at machinery unless that machinery has SOMETHING to do with biology, and then she's a genius. So Kuronar just let her focus on that because mechanics was just painful for everyone involved when she did that. Unfortunately UHH she also had no friends. Literally none besides like, SUPER old people and servitors because like she just simply didn't know anyone else. She was so lonely she harassed anyone who made the mistake of giving her attention RIP to all of Kalanis' offworld diplomat guests.
In general umm it wasn't really good but it wasn't bad either?? I mean, its kind of shit but in the context of 40k childhoods she was soooo lucky. Didn't even have the typical admech rigid structures and schedules and whatever smh smh they just let her do whatever she wanted. Sucks for her though because she's still a big nerd who made HERSELF study biologis stuff and now everyone must suffer for it when the latest Kat Beast escapes containment. They should have just left her with the ecclesiarchy and made them deal with her.
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hello, its your newest nuisance writing to you, but this time...
SPOILERS BELOW IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DO NOT READDDDD!! I IMPLORE YOU, DO NOT READ!!
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ok, now that those cautions were taken I hope your day has been well and when you do watch the episode, I hope you I was gonna say find joy, but each episode I become crazier than the last and each episode is either 1/4 good or 3/4 bad.
like Aemond is becoming worse and worse before my eyes, Alicent doesn't even want to go back and is on a religious retreat like some sort of "find myself and meditate" regimen. Rhaenyra is hosting a game show called: "Welcome to the dragon games!! let us see who can claim a dragon and survive!!" Ooooooo!! And she's not even giving a waiver, smh. Like they were told nothing except that they'd possible claim a dragon, like if I left my job/life to die, don't you think I should get a notice?? Also, Ulf is the man he said he was lol.
Jace being man low borns can claim dragons is funny because they have about as much parentage as him lol. They're all bastards like himself, the only difference is those bastards parents didn't have the means to keep them like Rhaenyra did and on most occasions the parents didn't want them so Jace best count his blessings that his mom didn't leave him to the streets and that his grandfather was willing to turn many blind eyes because not everyone had that (Saera we're looking at you sis, because I know you have a multitude of babies running around).
Also, this dragon testing is like in Grey's Anatomy when Meredith and Derek were testing out cure's for tumors like it reminded me of that because in the beginning they had bad results and in the end, they did it and "weeeee, happy ending for alllllll!!" well....except those that died.... Maybe Rhaenyra watches Grey's when she's not kissing everyone on sight??
This episode wasn't bad, but like again, I think it's the writing like whomever is in the writing room needs to stop with the fillers because season 2 was clearly a filler to season 3 where the real events begin, like I get wanting a show to have many seasons, but it should have many seasons if there's cause for it. And I know that Fire and Ice is an unreliable narrator to the plot events so anything could be hypothetically cannon, but like, do we not take ideas from hypotheticals and fill in the gaps? This show is like watching one's own head cannon of events like if that's the case, let me have my turn to write up what's gonna happen next.
But, who am I lol, I'm not a film writer. Welp, thank you again for listening to my rant and you have yourself a marry day.
hey bestie i love reading your opinions of the show episodes. sorry for taking so long to reply i was busy
honestly as an aemond girl and an alicent girl it's painful to watch this season for me 😭😭
you are so right about the Rhaenyra thing. not only did she not give them any direction but she also wouldn't let them leave which is an idiotic move because she was supposed to be looking for a rider for silverwing too ☠️☠️
About Jacaerys in my opinion he is right to be angry and i understand his point of view. i really liked the scene of him facing Rhaenyra. But I admit that at the same time I have mixed feelings because in the book he is the one who comes up with the idea of the dragon seeds
I didn't watch Grey's Anatomy so I don't know what you're talking about lol
The episode was good but I feel like this was a season of transition and as you say instead of following any of the hypotheses of the book the writers are doing what they want 😭😭
I hope you're okay anon, thanks for writing to me 🥰💖
#lu speaks#hotd s2#hotd spoilers#hotd season 2#hotd#rhaenyra targaryen#jacaerys velaryon#thanks anon!#thanks for the ask!#ask me anything#anon <3#anon ask
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Can you rate all TSAMS characters?
oh dear lord- i can certainly try tho i get the feeling i'll forget some lol
in order of favorite to least favorite
sun - 10/10 - hes perfect, nothing can change my mind. hes heavily traumatized and incredibly anxious. hes the perfect specimen for whump AND hurt/comfort. im also just Heavily biased
ruin - 9/10 - yall cant fight me on this hes one of my favorites. hes a tragic, morally gray villain that did what he thought he had to. hes a sad pathetic wet cat of a man who i bet all my money on (a whopping 500 bucks) that he doesnt even know who he is as a person
eclipse - 9/10 - him being below ruin on the list means nothing bc theyre equal in my heart. again, tragic wet cat of a man whos too damn tired to deal with this shit any more. i also relate to him in ways that probably arent healthy <3
solar flare - 8/10 - BRING MY BOY BACK HE DID NOTHING ‼️
dazzle - 8/10 - sweet baby girl she can do no wrong
jack - 7/10 - he can do many things wrong but nothing could make me hate him forever <3
molten - 7/10 - he baby. he sweet. he dont know the world and thats okay. maybe i just like it when murder machines turn into pacifists and just want to have fun.
dark sun - 7/10 - he fascinates me. i want to put him in a lil test tube and study him under a microscope. i need to ask so many questions, most of them being some form of "what is wrong with you"
computer/spaniard - 7/10 - we dont talk about the previous 2 computers we dont care about them (i dont hate them im just biased <3) i only care about SPANIARD. i miss my boy why did they have to kill him he couldve been so good. sun needs his husband back/silly
old moon - 6/10 - he is... certainly a specimen. i keep bouncing between "i hate him i want to rip his head off" and "im wrapping him in a blanket so tight he cant breathe". before he died he was an absolute prick and the fandom ruined him for me bc everyone fell for his manipulation and blamed sun for shit moon did and bc i was so biased towards sun it was difficult for me to not hate him. after he came back hes more fun (and tolerable) due to him actually improving but i wish he had more set-backs bc like. to him he'd been dead for like. a week. he should be struggling more <3
earth - 6/10 - cant quite pinpoint it but i Do feel like she could be done better as a character. she... doesnt really change that much? idk how to describe it. maybe i just find her boring lol
solar - 6/10 - yes i am putting him this far down on the list bc i feel like he couldve been done SO much better. he has so little flavor it hurts. what are his struggles? what is his goal? what does he even do outside of sun n moon?? and dont even get me STARTED on how little his past is brought up in a meaningful manner, let alone be something that effects him. you could say "oh hes gotten better" yeah but we saw none of it so like?? fbkdsgnjkds i'll need to rant about his character another day smh my head
killcode - 6/10 - it was fun while it lasted or something like that. he was interesting and i Do wish they had just.. left him alive? not bc he would be "useful" or wutever but just bc like. wut if he wants to come back randomly? like he wouldve just been a fun side character
nexus/new moon - 5/10 - listen. i dont wanna put him down here. but his current arc fucked him over. he was so fun and whimsical before! he was just a silly lil guy trying to navigate the world around him and desperately trying to fill a role he couldve never filled. his current arc couldve been SO much better. but its not as emotionally charged as it could be. like. they just completely threw away his original motive! and now he doesnt care?? not even the slightest??? booooo tomato tomato tomato throwing tomatoes/ref
lunar - 5/10 - again, you can fight me, but current lunar just isnt it for me. lunar before he died? hell yeah. he was such a lil shit that only cared about stuff if it benefited him. he didnt care that he was hurting moon with his movements, he just switched sides bc moon actually paid attention to him. him and bm couldve been SUCH a good duo too OTL
bloodmoon - 5/10 - honestly i liked v1 bm more than v2. idk man. something about their energy was so different and it lured me in. v2 kinda just felt.. boring. no critiques on his character, just not for me *shrug*
gemini - 5/10 - i dunno. just boring to me
monty - 4/10 - yet another moment of "no direct hate on the character just uninteresting to me" with monty. theyre just. boring. also another moment of "i liked them before [insert event]" with the event being before earth.
the creator - 4/10 - just. meh? he could be better as a villain but hes like. been here for so long that i wonder if he really does much of anything? idk man. im losing steam atp dnf,jsdgndkj
this might be all of them..? i dunno. probably missed a bunch (and yes im aware i shoved in some laes characters shush). im gonna leave out eaps characters so this doesnt get longer and so i dont go on a hate rant about puppet/j
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part 27 of season 3, episode 10 continued “erchomai”
*incoming rant about jace at the end*
185. Alec existing and saving the world
us: okay so why did you have to go make it sexual because holy fuck 🔥


186. poor Alec is already dealing with so much and now he has to deal with Simon smh PRAYERS FOR ALEC




187. and the whole time Luke is thanking Alec that Maryse won’t be participating 🙏




188. Alec is like please don’t fight mother because I can’t handle someone else I have to worry over



189. Simon is here to save the day




190. I’m not saying that Lilith shouldn’t have been blasted this way but come on, she doesn’t have powers to blast clary back?????? I’m sorry but sometimes they made the villains look so weak





191. OH MY SLAP HER AGAIN 🥰



192. Clary’s hair needs to chill. she’s making everything hella dramatic for no reason



193. oh, this be the consequences of your actions. and everything she’s done STILL doesn’t get talked about because oh no clary’s needs her ass saved again!!!!! let’s drop everything to save clace because it’s not like everyone else doesn’t have shit to worry about!!!!!


194. also also also let me bitch for a second. I finished this episode the other day and it makes me hella mad how jace almost kills Alec and his whole priority is shifted to clary after Magnus says he will take care of Alec. while I get that jace 2.0 wasn’t regular insufferable jace but dude- ya almost killed your supposed bestie. I swear the whole parabatai bond is such a fucking joke. it only means shit for when jace needs saving. if I almost killed my so called bestie, I would be trying to do everything I could to make sure they’re okay and apologize. this would’ve been the last resort to do a whole im sorry alec campaign with growth.
but instead of showing growth, jace makes everything about clary. I’m not saying don’t go help his girlfriend but at least apologize to Alec and show some bloody emotion. even after all of this, jace is still the same. all he cares about is clary. Alec on the other hand would have had to apologize over and over and pay dearly if roles were reversed. ALEC WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO SET THINGS RIGHT
Jace never has to show any guilt or remorse for hurting and mistreating Alec and that’s why I’m salty about that scene. yes he can go save clary but to make all his outbursts mainly about clary drives me insane. and look I don’t remember 3x11- I blocked it out of my mind but I only remember him crying and throwing fits about clary. not that he almost killed Alec or the fact Magnus doesn’t have magic so my tune could possibly change but this whole storyline irritates upsets vexes the living fuck out of me. CASE CLOSED 😐
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Holy fuck can i rant for a bit
I changed my schedule this semester to have medical terminology my last period of the day. I loved it so much; the teacher is cool, it’s a small class, everyone’s cool, the assignments are easy af, ugh everything was perfect.
I went through a lot to get med term in my schedule. I had to get a new English teacher bc my previous 6th period was English. Tbh, i loved that English class and the teacher too but felt that med term was more important. I also sacrificed interior design, which i had been looking forward to all last semester.
All that, and i ended up losing it. Today, my counselor noticed that i already had med term credit and changed me out of the class smh. I had taken about 1 semester of med term in 2023 before i moved here, but i didn’t know i got the credit bc that class was a whole year. She said that i NEEDED to get out of med term, but that i could choose whatever class to take instead. I wanted a science class but since it’s been a whole semester and some weeks I couldn’t take a regular science class. So i chose to do a physics “crash course” type thing. I chose physics because i know physics is the foundation of chem and chem is the foundation of bio, but i didn’t realize how fucking hard it would be. Its day 1 and im ready to quit. Like duh physics is hard but its gonna be compounded bc i have to cram a whole years worth of knowledge in less than a semester. There are 2 parts to it; part A and B and i HAVE to finish A before B, so i cant even multitask
Tbh i think im gonna slack. There’s almost no way i could finish BOTH courses. I also know i have more pressing issues like statistics and health science theory to focus on.
The best thing is that if i fail this course, I’ll still graduate and it won’t show on my transcript- i just won’t have credit for physics.
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I always find the debate around critiquing others' work to be an interesting one myself. Yes, of course it sucks to face backlash for something you've worked hard on, and the internet is a vicious place... but on the other hand, (presumably at least some) people are paying Netflix or a TV network to see this. Same with IDW: the three people who buy each new issue are paying actual money for it. And thus it is not unreasonable to be allowed to request at least some standards in the product that are actually worth that money, in my opinion.
It intrigues me because on the internet, creators and consumers are closer than ever. Consumer backlash reaches the creator far more easily, but so do their protests about this backlash vice versa.
This is why I hate how present on the internet creators are nowadays, to the point that they could accidentally find random ass people complaining on Twitter because of the algoritm
I'm reminded of Sam Deats somehow finding a random artist saying something like "all the people who worked on Nocturne should be fired because it sucks so much" and getting genuinely angry, retorting that it's not fair to wish unemployment on hard working artists... and most importantly plastering the OG Tweet for all of his fans to see. No. I should be allowed to be a bit hyperbolic in my space. It's actually creepy to imagine that my rantings could be found by a showrunner, and so I need to censor myself.
Aside from that, I'm appalled by how unprofessional creators are nowadays. The other day I remembered Flynn who literally said "this is a story for children, if you are an adult and you're unsatisfied with my writing go read another book" as a response to backlash, yesterday I complained about Kyle being sarcastic and passive aggressive in saying "oh, of course Flynn is getting death threats, that's Sonic discourse for you smh", now there's this hired animator who is like "why are you hurting my feelings like this :< pls don't be a meanie :< I only had half a year to work on this 30 sec sprite animation :<". Guys! You are professionals! You are not randos on the Internet! People pay you for your services, whether they are writing, animation or being supposed "lore managers"! Act like it, for fuck's sake! Stop getting into petty discourse, do your job, accept the criticism! You don't see Iizuka and Kishimoto crying on Twitter because some people trashed Frontiers, do you?
#i hope i don't need to specify that no one deserves death threats#and yes the internet can be vicious#you know what you should do?#*not* hang around on twitter#esp flynn who has his own curated bumblekast
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https://www.tumblr.com/wishesofeternity/699562103667851264/daemon-targaryen-rant-incoming-warning-its
curious of your thoughts about this post?
Disclaimers: None of this means you have to like Daemon or approve any of his earlier actions or think he's a good person--bc that was never the argument.
And this post will also be long. There's so much to address, and there's a character limit, so I might miss some or summarize too much.
A)
Them:
Daemon Targaryen, like every other character, possesses the capacity for good and evil and the ability to choose. But morally? Daemon was a child groomer and a pedophile who had physical relations with his teenage niece and a 17-year old girl (he was 50 at the time), and enjoyed sampling young virgins at brothels.
So the quote that they pull, firstly, is this:
“Over the centuries, House Targaryen has produced both great men and monsters. Prince Daemon was both. In his day there was not a man so admired, so beloved, and so reviled in all Westeros. He was made of light and darkness in equal parts. To some he was a hero, to others the blackest of villains.”
And I'll just say that this is written by a character in-world, Gyldayn. It's valuable to keep reminding ourselves that this is a maester who is compiling sources to try to get pictures of who these people were so we can consider how the narrative is being framed. Let's get into it:
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Daemon didn't fuck Nettles.
2)
He was however, likely to have been including virgins in his use of sex workers at brothels. I doubt that he only went to brothels for virgins with a Valyrian look, there's no evidence of that. Gross, bc buying sex work itself is already problematic [post abt Mysaria and sex work]. Add deflowering peasant girls maybe as young as 15? yeah...smh
So I would still concede a bit here. Definitely the "darkness" of his past and the "darkness" part of his character.
3)
I've gone back and forth with how we label what he was doing with Rhaenyra after he came back form the Stepstones. Can you put some labels on it, bc under scrutiny there are flaws.
When we think of grooming, we consider it as the older person trying to get the younger psychologically detached from their support system by convincing them that they can only rely on them...and unfortunately, I'd say that of all the people Rhaenyra had then, Daemon was the person who actually was there for her more than any other in her entire life (except maybe Aemma). And I really think he entered KL with the intent to marry Rhaenyra, not to use her up in a similar way that show!Viserys does Alicent. The issue with Dameyra people have is whether or not Daemon married her just to be her consort and rule through her, when by the evidence of F&B, he never tried to overpower her and willfully became her political subordinate similar to how he still followed most and the more important of Viserys' orders (sending Mysaria away the that was literally his first child). A groomer wouldn't tolerate such a gap in power relations.
Rhaenyra didn't follow his advice concerning the Rosby & Stokeworth debacle; his was a kinda suitable compromise even as it shunted the Rosby and Stokeworth girls and I am making commentary on how Daemon tried to plan according for Rhaenyra's future. Daemon might have showed his displeasure, but here and in all their years of marriage, he never seemed to try to overpower her directions until the very last And in that last moment, I suspect that Nettles was either a surrogate daughter or his actual bio daughter.
(I explain about Viserys multiple times, but people can start HERE.)
A difference here is how the relations helped Rhaenrya vs Alicent; Rhaenyra, for better or worse, was Viserys' heir whereas Alicent was a Hightower lady from a second son who could have had any man and still live a better life and has had no other benefit to anyone other than her father, house, herself, and Viserys.
Rhaenyra needed a husband and heirs to be more assured in her queenship role, which in turn could have provided that precedent of female rulership for other women and girls. And quite simply put, the court knowing Laenor had no interest in women presented a glaring problem for the paternity of Rhaenyra' heirs and gave more ammo to her enemies. Yes the Velaryons have their fleet Rhaenyra could use, but a marriage pact with Laena's kids to Rhaenyra's PLUS Princess Rhaenys' relations to Rhaenyra, Viserys, & Daemon had some way of allying Corlys' ambitions to Rhaenyra. It's highly doubtful bk!Rhaenys would just go green, even if Corlys wanted to and neither Baela nor Rhaena existed bc the greens are just more tied to the Hightowers.
Like yes, Daemon giving the gifts to Rhaenyra and spending time with her and making fun of Alicent and her kids for Rhaenrya's amusement--with the knowledge that it didn't come with his pure intentions but partly because he wanted to become her consort--comes across as dangerous for a young girl like Rhaenyra and is certainly has cunning in it. HE also knew that Viserys wouldn't like that Daemon was partly giving such attentions to marry her bc he knows Viserys (stupidly, I might add, again, refer to the post abt Viserys) doesn't trust Daemon to actually work towards the family or really his own political interests, so we can't say that it is exactly Daemon courting her. I also suspect him of being jealous of Daemon, bk or show, bc of their history and what I said about Viserys' insecuriites in the linked post.
To officially "court" someone, their parents or guardians would have to allow the interactions. [again, refer to the linked reblog abt Viserys]. Simultaneously:
Rhaenyra was already being arranged to get married at her age of 15, and by Westerosi larger patriarchal structure she was eligible for marriage even not by being 16, bc exceptions are made for girls in ways they aren't for boys; it's not totally conducive to use her age to something to discourage Daemon from pursuing her IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE or this world and in their traditions....which is why I hate real-world modern AUs for ASoIaF characters....her interactions with Daemon before Viserys found out, therefore, arguably display her having more "choice" than otherwise, even though we'd have to now examine how Daemon's specific actions, words, diction, etc. [WHICH WE DON'T HAVE BC THIS SGYLADYN DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO SUCH!] are unambiguously him deceiving Rhaenyra, how much are gray-room manipulation, and see how much "choice" Rhaenyra really has and it still wouldn't be the end-all-be all bc of the world they all live in
Viserys would have never let Daemon marry her for the wrong reasons. I don't think Daemon went in with the mind of taking advantage so much as unofficially "court" Rhaenyra in the absence of the permission he'd never obtain to force Viserys' hand. And because of this circumstance limiting both Rhaenyra and Daemon's actions, the whole thing slides into an area of where the already questionable practice of courtship and age gap relations that Westeros already has
One of the best interpretations of Daemon's interactions with Rhaenyra at this time and what I describe are written in sweetestpopcorn's fanfic The Blacks and the Greens HERE. Their Daemon is an asshole who manipulates there. He also becomes, as in canon, devoted to her herself and her cause to become queen, so he willingly serves to be, again, her political subordinate in a way that groomers can't and never can be.
B)
Them:
He was a warmonger and war criminal who began a conquest of the Stepstones, taking all but two islands, ensuring that the people there "learned to fear" his dragon, before abandoning the entire thing because he got bored.
This is what "warmonger" means:
a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups
The Triarchy, or the Kingdom of the Three Daughters (Lys, Myr, Tyrosh), did not manage to keep the pirates they would eventually enable out of this critical piece of land between Essos and Westeros. Traders were getting assaulted and girls were getting kidnapped and trafficked. In the show, Corlys appealed to the crown for years and both bk/show!Viserys ignored the situation in the Stepstones for a long time ("A Question of Succession"):
Yes, Daemon saw in the Stepstones an opportunity to make a name for himself as what is valued in men in this system. But he certainly provoke or encourage the wars' existence because the fighting began 10 yrs before he ever even approached Corlys. There is also no evidence of him manipulating the situation where the fighting actually stopped and it began again due to any action on his part. There simply was a resurgence of enemies to fight.
If they are defining him as a warmonger because he doesn't care too much about stopping fighting or has a bloodlust for it, that's neither what that word means nor is it pathological as they seem to imply it of him. Again this is a feudal world....that rules that the "best" sort of man is a warrior who wins battles. How do young men and boys make names for themselves? By fighting in battles and winning most if not all of the, showing physical and military "prowess". Even Jaehaerys honed his physical skills at 14-15 to prove to others he was a fit king AND tried to get his son Vaegon out of his books and learn more swordsmanship through Baelon. Jaehaerys subscribed much into that warrior-male ideology as most people in their circles did. Rogar sought glory in battle as a way to fix up his reputation from trying to usurp Jaehaerys. Orys Baratheon sought to re-position himself as useful to Aegon I through battling more Dornish. So Daemon's hardly unique enough for his using battle and war to build his reputation or having that desire to use war to advance himself, esp when he knows he's good at it.
This doesn't mean that he is a good person or that we should default back to feudal times or kill people. It means that the OP has a distorted view of Daemon and makes him uniquely evil when he hardly is. If anything, he's in this weird middle area of having that "respect" and having nothing substantial in terms of power on his own besides Caraxes, being good at this one soceity-valued thing, and being related to Viserys or Rhaenyra. So he rather took an opportunity that Viserys left open.
His efforts at the Stepstones actually brought the Stepstones more (if not totally) into Westeros' political hegemony and overall relative "peace" for a time until the new war the greens began ruined it. And unlike Rogar, who died in Dorne and stubbornly refused to go back to his home (bc he didn't want to really face what he did to Alyssa Velaryon AND the "humiliation" of Rhaena's confronting and threatening him), Daemon "tires" of the Stepstones & marries Laena to settle down ("A Question of Succession"):
I mean, if U.S. soldiers cite being "tired" of being away from home, why can't we also assume Daemon was in a similar place? He's been at the Stepstones for more than 5 years, including the time he was exiled afterwhatever happened b/t him and Rhaenrya in 111. I don't see how this perosn thought he left bc "he got bored" when it's still war...you are going to get reasonably tired of being in a battle no matter how good you are at it. Especially when you're also trying to maintain control of an island or two when the larger authority, the government (in this case Viserys and the council) does not send materials for those fortifications. To take HotD at face value, or "Watsonianly, "HotD!Daemon goes off on his own bc Viserys has just now decided to send reinforcements when he could have done so way before but refused to, again, stupidly and pridefully. So Daemon wanted to make a personal point to Viserys as well as a broader one. "Doyistly", or to criticize HotD, that whole situation of Daemon going off on his own was dumb even as it was thrilling: he couldn't have avoided all those arrows or traversed the field all by himself like that. I doubt that bk!Daemon would have done it that way.
And in the show, Alicent presses that he actually hurry up and put an end to the war not "for the realm"'s most vunerable's peace [once again, those kidnapped girls and the traders], but bc it's costing the crown money. She says as much in the 6th episode. Refusing to do as Rhaenrya suggests and build some fortifications to keep the Stepstones as they want them and even ensure future protection and eventually reduce the fighting to almost nil. Alicent's concern was not for people's lives or safety but for money and to maintain a picture of control. Viserys, too. But I digress.
Finally, we see Daemon at the black council saying they shouldn't go to war until they absolutely had to and actually had the soldiers an d support they needed. That dragons are a last resort & he agrees with Rhaenyra "surprisingly" ("The Blacks and the Greens"):
All belies this idea of him being a crazy warmonger with no restraint.
Let's just say that Daemon is definitively a war criminal. Would he be so unique in that? I don't see how Otto, Aegon the Elder, Criston Cole, Aemond, Daeron, the Hightowers, even Alicent, are all "war criminals". Daeron--Bitterbridge and those battle-damaged refugees, the raped people, Lady Caswell's end. Aemond: the Strongs, Alys Rivers, and the burning of the riverlands. And yet OP, again, makes Daemon out to be the instigator of many things....[below]
C)
Them:
He was a child murderer responsible for the brutal murder of a 6-year old boy and the threat of rape to a 6-year old girl. He encouraged the continuation of the Dance and vengeance against his enemies, dismissing his Hand's proposal for peace. He had the selfishness of Aegon IV, the brutality of Maegor, and the tyranny of Aerys II. And that’s just scratching the surface of the things he did, both before and during the Dance.
...Aemond was a child murderer in killing Luke, which prompted Daemon's reaction. Daemon didn't begin that. Again, I speak to this idea that Daemon instigates. No, he responds.
He didn't threaten any rape of a 6 year old, Cheese was quite clearly trying to hurry Helaena up and threaten that. That shows Cheese's character, not Daemon.
Now, that Daemon at all arranged for a murder of a child? Yes, horrible, which shows he's never bene a good person. (As if there was a great and consistent argument people used to say he was?) This is different from him instigating things or causing the war. No, Aemond did that by killing Luke unprovoked. And before people bring up the eye, I already wrote about that HERE, HERE and HERE. Even if I didn't, it had been years, Aemond made as if he was cool with it....so why did he run after teen-Luke or (bk) allow himself to be so triggered by Maris Baratheon's words about his manhood to go for straight up physical intimidation and murder?!
By "his Hand", I'm assuming they are saying HotD!Daemon refused Aegon the Elder's Hand--Otto--'s terms for peace.
Not only was it that in the bk, Rhaenyra refused the terms the green council sent Grand Maester Orwyle to deliver to her (her big speech about his not being a loyal maester/subject -- HotD removes/reduces Rhaenyra's fascinating assertion of power through calling out others' trying to redefine her worthiness as heir)...
This is Otto and Daemon in that last episode.
We need to remember that Otto is just as willing to risk a war if it gets him what he wants. He made that choice as soon as he pimped his daughter out to Viserys and kept insisting that Rhaenyra's position was defaulted once Aegon was born, as he says in this own. He is and never was willing to stave off a war. He is the one to insiste that Rhenyra is not even a "true" heir despite the fact that Viserys, time and time again, reinforced her position PUBLICLY. Otto explicitly says Rhaenyra is not the true heir. He was never about "protecting" anyone, much less the peasants who'd be caught up in this war.
So, again, I find it strange OP missed that and says Daemon is at fault for the war bc of a supposed bloodthirstiness for war and violence itself...when the man even backs off from Otto by Rhaenyra's order of "No" in that scene. Yes he was preparing the castle in case the greens attacked it as they coronated Aegon...wouldn't most of us one we hear news of a someone depowering or usurping the person we are tasked to protect?! Daemon is rather responding to what happening, which is Rhaenyra being usurped and pressing for her rights to the throne as Otto is trying to assert Aegon's right to the throne. Why is Otto figured as this righteous seeker of "order" and "peace" and not someone enabling an event where Rhaenyra is losing a thing due to her gender...esp since Otto is both the guy who suggested her appointment as heir in the first place AND the guy who explicitly said to Alicent that the reason he did so/and is plotting against her is bc she is a woman?!
He had the selfishness of Aegon IV, the brutality of Maegor, and the tyranny of Aerys II
He can't have any sort of "tyranny" if he's not the ruler or final authority of anything...so...
He's certainly self centered and only thinks about his own family's needs or desires. However, to say he's equal to Aegon IV, who willfully and purposefully and consciously set up a situation where a war could happen just to spite his son, wife, and brother out of pure jealousy is disingenuous. Aegon IV betrayed his own family; Daemon died for his family. And again, he canonically allowed himself to be subordinate to Rhaenyra. Can we really say Aegon IV is the same, when he rapes his sister after she explictly told him she didn't want to have sex with him anymore, threw away his various mistresses and daughters for new mistresses, neglected most of his kids?
As for being as "brutal" as Maegor...yeah, he wasn't opposed to torture and he, again, was no stranger nor repulsed or against using violence. He was brutal.
However unlike Maegor who tortured two of his wives and raped another (Rhaena), Daemon doesn't flagrantly use torture against those who--again--haven't already presented themselves as critical enemies. Alys Harroway was completely innocent even if she had had affairs bc she didn't endanger Maegor's life. Tyanna was unequivocally evil and carried out Alys' gruesome murder, even though she absolutely was being sidelined for not giving Maegor heirs--having to become "useful" to him otherwise [which is another discussion about class and misogyny in those spaces]. And she would have done so to the others if she had the chance. Tyland Lannister, though? He was hiding the secrets of the stolen royal treasury. (Aegon stole the throne, the greens moved funds that never should have been in their possession, and they did it specifically so they could diminish Rhaenyra's ability to really establish herself at KL in their absence. Which explicitly shows us that they aren't "legitimate" rulers bc Rhaenyra had still been alive and someone they had to get rid of. So yes the funds were stolen.)
So Daemon's brutality is of a different quality than Maegor's; the slight but very important difference between them is that Maegor hurt those closest to him while Daemon never stooped low, that far nor ever looked for a fight that wasn't there already.
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I think there is also a conflation of grey morality with unpredictability. Daemon was unpredictable, with his sudden elopements and kickstarting of wars and general mercuriality. The moral complexity of this, however, depends on his motives, and none of his are particularly complicated or difficult to morally pin down: he is primarily and consistently motivated by self-interest. If they happen to benefit others, it’s purely coincidental, and always secondary. Unpredictability does not automatically make someone morally grey, and it certainly doesn’t with Daemon. [...] If the narrative had leaned into his awfulness, he could have potentially been a fun villain.
I believe that once we realize that the "greyness" of Daemon stems from his insistence to put his family before his own search for power as a man about his being "good" to people not-his family, the greyness works. Because much of the Dance was also about defending the family you think or you really are defending. HotD!Alicent (and for some people, bk!Alicent, too) thinks she is protecting her kids from people using Rhaenyra and harming her kids (lying to herself)...but she really troggers a war that will end with ALL her kids dead and only 4 of 7 of Daemon and Rhaenyra's surviving. A war that lead to many sacks, the Riverlands burning the Strongs going extinct. All because Otto wanted more power and Viserys was an idiot and Jaehaerys was a misogynist and Aerys was stupid and Aegon I didn't take a chance.
Daemon of HotD explicitly says to Otto that he doesn't trust his sons with Aegon, the "drunken usurper cunt of a king"....and he was right to. If the show continues to make Aegon as he was in the bk, Aegon will threaten to mutilate Aegon III, castrate him, etc. so that Rhaenyra's line "must end". Aegon explicitly says as much in his conversation to Alicent abt how to stave off Rhaneyra's supporters.
'I rather think Daemon is one of the most predictable characters of this story. What is "unpredictable" is that because he doesn't try to be a "good" knight or typical protector or try to make people "love" him as Viserys does; or try to flatter others, he's "unpredictable" to those people who would have wanted him to be more like what Loras Tyrell puts out. And that sentiment, that reputation he built as being that more "shameless" bleeds through various tellings of his actions, esp with him & Nettles [refer to the very first link abt Nettles I have above].
There is a morality in how one treats one's family, as I implied through my comparison to Maegor. I also think of Jaehaerys and his treatment of Rhaena, Alysanne, his daughters, how he handled his succession, etc. Jaehaerys--through his abusiveness and sidelining of important, critical women around him--sets up the Dance. Yet many in the fandom think of him as an absolutely good king instead of a relatively good one. And through Jaehaerys and Aegon Iv and the rest, we see how protecting your family and valuing them above their roles contributes tot he overall stability of a dynasty's grasp on power bc all these sidelined women were able to politically contribute...but were sidelined and forced to make separate lives for themselves.
As I said, Daemon is motivated in part by legacy...as much as Visenya was with Maegor. But again, he didn't die at the Gods Eye for selfish ambition...otherwise he would have never allowed himself to die in the first place and even hand Nettles over. Even if he had been just sleeping with her, what would stop him from being totally selfish and handing her over to be killed similar to how several lords abandon their mistresses or one night stands? do we think that Tywin Lannister would advocate or try to help out Shea if she were to ever get into trouble? Sacrifice himself or disobey an order form another force/authority for here to live?!
Daemon was never going to be a villain, bc villains are characters who are amoral antagonists to the protagonist. "Villain" is a specific literary/media term, it's not a term you apply whatsoever just because the person is evil. Even protagonists can be amoral or eveil (Dorian Grey). But Daemon is actually one of the protagonists. The greens are the antagonists; they usurped the actual, main protagonists, Rhaenyra, and Daemon is on the protagonist's side. Once again, who loses more? The greens or the blacks? Whose line ends? Who has their last member (Jaehaera) killed in a manner similar to how Alicent became Viserys' queen consort? The greens. (Unwin Peake had Jaehaera killed to make way for his own daughter to marry Aegon III...Otto may not have killed Aemma or had her killed, but he & Alicent certainly was looking for power through a nonTarg Queen consort). Everuone is certainly punished for the war...but the greens lose utterly and didn't accomplish what they set out to do, which was to establish their own line of rulers.
It's like with Macbeth, who got to be king. But one of his killed adversaries and the scion of the past king he murdered--actually got to propagate the next line of kings. I also have to remind everyone that when Corlys said that Aegon the Elder should name Aegon the Younger as his heir, Alicent got pissed...showing that she and the greens banked on growing their own Targ line...so yeah this matters ("The Sad, Short Reign of Aegon II"):
No one ever said that unpredictability = moral greyness. The moral greyness was that he was a good dad and only cared about protecting his family in a way that many people even now would just think about protecting those close to them.
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Perhaps the most damning aspect of this blatant favoritism is how Daemon is turned into the essential protagonist of the Dance of the Dragons.
This line contradicts what the OP said about him being a villain...what gives?
Like I already said, villains in a story are antagonists, never the protagonist! Out of the story, amongst those discussing, we can maybe say that a protagonist is a "villain" in the nonliterary and colloquial sense but these should not erase/overpower the basic structure of the story being told. (if they are "villains" to your own personal set of values, that makes sense. but not for the story written)
And no, he's not the essential protagonist, he's one of them. Rhaenyra is rather the protagonist. The story is about a woman usurped of her throne and position because others took advantage of her being a woman and being the first female heir apparent that was actually intended to be Queen. The question of female rulership (and agency) is the center of the Dance alongside what the "price for power" is, which contextualizes Dany's own struggles from being a woman AND ruler. Learning how to be a better sort of ruler in the face of societies that already say she can never be so because if her gender AND the result of this Dance war that lead to more Targaryen women losing power the more it became embedded in Andal patriarchal culture for the dynasty's grip on power. Rhaneyra's foils are Aegon and his mother, Alicent. "Princess an the Queen"? And Aegon is the model for the Targaryen male royal who exemplifies all the unusual allowances this society gives to men while women like Rhaenyra are subjugated or condemned for doing mush less or simply things no one can say are immoral but somehow trouble the men's grip on power. Which is why Daemon is more of a positive force in her life than a negative and is "morally grey", bc he subordinates himself for her. Again, he fights for her and has his legacy through her winning. Rhaenyra's son Aegon derives his claim through her, not Aegon the Elder nor though Daemon ("Lineages and Family Tree"):
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His wives are all overshadowed by him and primarily defined by their relationship with him. Rhea Royce is an unfeatured non-entity who exists solely for him to hate, and conveniently dies in time for him to remarry. Laena is a beautiful, fiery, perfect companion who dies tragically young and in a conveniently gendered manner, once again in time for him to remarry. Rhaenyra is sidelined and eclipsed in her own war and her own story in favor of him. Nor should we forget his lovers: more time is spent describing Nettles and Mysaria’s relationships with Daemon than actually telling us more about them as individuals. Once he’s out of the picture for good, the former completely retreats from civilization, and the latter is gruesomely murdered by his enemies. Once again, all I can say is: Convenient.
Once again, Nettles was never his lover.
If you feel Daemon is more "interesting" than Rhaenyra, that's your own thing. However, again, Rhaenyra is the true center of the Dance, not Daemon. This is the basic structure & purpose of the narrative. Ignore the stupid dudebros. It is the rumors and Mysaria's deciding Rhaenyra that Nettles is Daemon's lover that springboards' Rhaenyra's fall. After Daemon dies, she still lives and has her own tragic end that has its own commentary on women in power and femicide.
For the story of Rhaenyra targeting Nettles to work, it has to be true that DaemonxNettles was never a thing...bc Rhaenyra became paranoid of betrayals after Ulf and Hugh defected and destroyed Tumbleton PLUS her grief from her two sons getting killed before she landed on KL.
Also, again, I very much doubt that he struck up an affair with Mysaria when they landed. Once again, this is a book written by a maester who was not there. Septon Eustace--who hates Rhaenyra...oh look more proof that it's all abt Rhaenyra--says that Daemon slept with Mysaria...he also says that Rhaenyra cut herself on the throne while wearing full armor and tries to say that this indicated she would never be a good ruler...Even f she had cut her palm, us as readers have to remember that even Aegon I was cut. Aegon IV, however, was never reported to be cut. Arguably one of the worst rulers Westeros ever had. This was a superstition, it was a chair made out of swords....come on, now! And if Mysaria were sleeping with Daemon, why would she choose to have him killed?! Especially when she stood to gain so much more from his being alive than dead as the their mistress of whispers? Rhaenyra was also very possessive of Daemon and more likely saw Mysaria as not trustworthy (without the context of Mysaria working for her) as she did Laena those years past. Proven by how she acted with Nettles. I doubt that she would allow Daemon to sleep with Mysaria without going crazy and putting a stop to it so Septon Eusatce can have more to write gleefully about.
What narrative purpose would Rhea Royce serve? What would she do for this purpose of the Dance but to be as she was--a minor character whose marriage to a specific Targ rather shows Jaehaerys and Alysanne bungling marriage alliances? If F&B doesn't give Rhea as much attention as it does Rhaneyra or Laena or Rhaneys or Alicent, it's because the story isn't about these "lesser" lords and ladies who are not there to not build up the central character's characterizations. that's how stories work. But perhaps more importantly, Gyldayn is writing F&B as its onw historical volume. F&B is a work against female rulership. Rhea being so used and so poorly matched with Daemon AND both Alysanne and Viserys' refusal to have this marriage annulled emphasizes the pattern of shallowly-described/de-personed women (like Ceryse Hightower, Alys Harroway, Jeyne Westerling____Yandel of AWoIaF--Barbra Bracken and Bethany Blackwood, Serenei of Lys, etc) are all because their authors--and those who related the tales to various people for the author to write into their histories--are uninterested in them bc they were women made into wombs. Rhea had no other political purpose but to tie Daemon down. That's Jaehaerys, Alysanne, and whoever was responsible for Rhea's faults. And again, it's meant to show us that Andal patriarchy-Targ monarchy paradigm that vicitmizes and suboridnates women.
Similar can be said of Laena, but because she cam from a much more important, wealthier family and was a dragonrider where she's allowed to express herself AND was best friends with Rhaenyra...there was no way she wouldn't have had soem more relative attention than the other women OP listed (except Rhaenyra). Laena was another supporting character, not a main one. And she also dies so Rhaneyra and Daemon will have Aegon III, from which we will have Dany, ASoIaF's savior. Just as Laenor and Harwin had to be removed somehow (Laenor through death bc there was no such thing as divorce) so Rhaenyra will marry Daemon and give us Dany.
Not to say that Laena's death was morally justified nor that it wasn't in a gendered manner...it's that it has a specific purpose in terms of ASoIaF's themes and structure. It's part of a larger commentary than what we just see in front of our eyes in this moment of HotD being the present ASoIaF project everyone's watching now. Basically, I'm saying: yeah, that's the whole point.
Should GRRM have reduced the number of women dying by childbirth? Maybe. Idk, there's a theory out there that I like where the maesters are the ones who stopped the Targ women, including Laena, from having more children or surviving childbirth. Not Alysanne because Jaehaerys was clearly the "dominant" of the two and they both more or less were pretty integrated into Andal patriarchy and supported the Faith, who the maesters have shared interests with. 🤷🏼♂️
Let's put it this way: if we say that if you impose childbirthing on 15-17 year olds (Rhaenys and Jocelyn Baratheon were both 16 at marriage; Rhaenyra 17; Alyssa Velaryon 14; Alyssa Targaryen 15; Helaena 13; *Laena 23) AND we see that on average Westerosi noblewomen marry at around 16-19 and start getting pregnant not long after, then why is it that the Targ women (except Alysanne) keep having under 3 kids and/or dying of childirth? But, again, I'll say this is a theory. It could very well be this AND the Westerosi practice of marrying noble girls off & having kids too young. Which is part of the allure of ASoIaF, but that's another thing.
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Narratively, the Greens suffer the most from this. All of them are caricatures meant to oppose the Blacks rather than individual characters in their own right
Easy; bc they started the war, their goals were simple, this is a book written by a guy who wasn't there, Alicent and Otto clearly raised their kids to see the blacks as their enemy bc they said the throne was their patriarchal birthright.
...Daemon compared to his nephew, Aemond Targaryen. Both of them are clearly meant to be narrative parallels: second sons, dangerous swordsmen, the heavy-hitting wildcards of the war, one of them claiming Visenya’s dragon and the other one possessing Visenya’s sword. Both of them committed heinous atrocities on equal proportion, the only difference being that Daemon lived longer and thus had the time to commit more. Yet the way they are portrayed could not be more different: Aemond is rightfully depicted as war criminal and a murderer, and is both one-dimensional and over-the-top in his awfulness; Daemon, on the other hand, has far more pagetime, is explored in far more detail, and has all his crimes contextualized as part of his glorified and non-existent “grey morality”. (And while this is not a direct criticism, it’s also a little weird that while Aemond is justifiably called Kinslayer, Daemon is not, despite the fact that he was responsible the death of his young grand-nephew, a suspect for the death of his good-brother, and the eventual killer of Aemond himself.) The narrative rightfully condemns one while painting the other as someone who was “made of light and darkness in equal parts”. The bias is very, very evident.
That's because Daemon is older and grows out of that fighting for glory's sake that Aemond is still in BUT unlike Daemon, Aemond--bc again he was raised by the ambitious greens who are basing their cause on reinforcing patriarchal privilege, Aemond was...unlikely to get where Daemon was bc he was still in that place of "proving himself" a "true" Targaryen warrior. Because he was raised to think a lot less of his own sister and see her as a threat to his own masculinity and power (similar to how Jaehaerys I will see Rhaena), he is that sexist and misogynist. IDK, I rather think he's very much like many men even today.
Daemon never burned down "civilians" just because he was angry and wanted to draw out an enemy. Nor did he have a sex slave. Mysaria, though a sex worker, was not a slave. Alys Rivers was a war prize, thus a sex slave. One that was made into a war prize by Aemond's own doing. Just bc the line seems thin, doesn't mean it's not there nor substantial. Aemond abandoned Alicent & Helaena and refused to go down south with Criston Cole because ("Rhaenyra Triumphant"):
If he had taken Cole's advice, they could have rejoined Aegon and gotten rid of the Winter Wolves...oh well.
Returning to harming civilians yeah, Daemon swept through KL castrating and cutting people's hands off. In terms of sheer scale, no, this still isn't "equal" to Aemond's burning down the Riverlands, killing all the Strongs, etc.
Finally, just as Aegon serves as Rhaneyra's literary foil to emphasize her being the morally & politically better of the two, Daemon's foil is Aemond. As Robert Baratheon was Rhaegar's.
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(I’d also like to point out that a 50-year old man challenging his barely 20-year old nephew and winning against him is nowhere near as glorious or awe-inspiring as the book or its fans make it out to seem, but is in fact one of the most pathetically embarrassing things I've ever read about. I also don’t think it was realistic at all, and would have made more symbolic and literal sense for both of them to mutually kill the other. But that would result in GRRM’s favourite character getting the equal end of the stick for once, which is probably why it didn't happen)
...Aemond wanted that battle? He hungered for it?!
Most of All, and before anything else: the reasons why Daemon is considered the winner of his battle with Aemond despite both dying is that:
of the two, it is Daemon who succeeds in his intentions for this battle: to keep Aemond from being a threat to Rhaenrya & their family....Aemond went into battle believing he had a sliver of chance at survival AND winning--he risked it all for his own personal sense of glory and power...and he didn't get what he wanted
Daemon, unlike Aemond, never faltered or hesitates in his plans or intent or the trajectory before nor during the actual battle and its' pretty clear how in sync he was with Caraxes (written and explained below)---it belies a level of self control that we do not see in Aemond
Yes, absolutely this uncle & nephew trying to destroy each other in is terrible by their relations; their battle was one of the conflicts within the war that represented an element of one of the overall tragedies, which was the Targaryens splitting into competing factions and not only losing most of those they loved but also destroying several communities while they were at i for power. However, this doesn't erase the fact that once again, even when we make Aemond and any green more "complicated" and not caricatures...the fact of the matter is that the greens were in the wrong for beginning the war with their insistence on male primogeniture...bc the principles behind their reasons So Daemon is the more admired party precisely because he's defending the person the wrong has bene done to AND destroying the very person who triggered this war in the first place. That's the first layer to the excitement of this scene that dude-bros would probably never appreciate, and I think that because some people do not really think about the implications of many stories about F&B and discrimination even against noblewomen in Westeros (because they take it from granted), many of them end up being so neutral or taking the anti-Rhaenyra/black tone of the narrative as it is instead of examining how and why it's written, section by section. So they also miss the point about how the Targs assimilated into Andal patriarchy and sexism and women losing more and more power and agency and it becoming more and justified, leading to the Dance. And it's bc people do not look at the Dance nor the entire book feministly or at least with a woman-centered lens, they ended up not really engaging with the stories. Putting it all off as "unreliable" on time when they are questioned as to why they think certain things happened despite yada, yada....and then going on to make arguments about characters as if they understand them, read them, and/or have lived in that world alongside them. Again, issue d they claim that we can't understand the characters or th0ier true motives and don't bother to understand how Gyldayn wrote the book for a particular purpose...and then go on the claim that he/the book is telling all truths.
Another layer/reason why it is as glorified as it was was because, as this OP mentions, it was expected for Daemon to lose since Aemond had Vhagar. He new he'd lose his life...but he went in anyway with no backup bc Aemond was one of Rhaenrya's--again, Rhaenyra at center--biggest opps and she had a better chance of winning without him in the picture. Plus, this is the same guy who killed a 14 year old Daemon raised as his own for more than 10 years in the book and 6 in the show. Once again, unprovoked. Does it matter that he was 20 to Daemon's 49 when he killed Luke when he was 19 and Luke was 14? When Aemond pushes a 3 year old Joffrey when he was 10 in his way to get to Vhagar? that he beats up his younger nephews and cousins. Yet somehow many fans say "he had to" or they say he was "cool" and praise him for it?!
And this is not as criticized as much as people saying Daemon "unrealistically" kills his nephew....
Also, I already wrote a post comparing Jaehaerys I v Braxton Beesbury to Daemon v Aemond HERE. It goes into the "realism" of an older dude against a younger one. Excerpt:
Caraxes also making sure he stays connected to Vhagar so Daemon can do his thing
We have to pay attention to the language of the battle. there is a synchronicity b/t Caraxes and Daemon that Aemond lacked with Vhagar AND may clue us in on the Targs and how they view/interact/bond with their dragons ("Rhaenyra Triumphant"):
Caraxes dove down upon Vhagar with a piercing shriek that was heard a dozen miles away, cloaked by the glare of the setting sun on Prince Aemond’s blind side. The Blood Wyrm slammed into the older dragon with terrible force. [...] Locked together, the dragons tumbled toward the lake. The Blood Wyrm’s jaws closed about Vhagar’s neck, her black teeth sinking deep into the flesh of the larger dragon. Even as Vhagar’s claws raked her belly open and Vhagar’s own teeth ripped away a wing, Caraxes bit deeper, worrying at the wound as the lake rushed up below them with terrible speed. And it was then, the tales tell us, that Prince Daemon Targaryen swung a leg over his saddle and leapt from one dragon to the other.
Despite them both falling, Caraxes remains gripping Vhagar and having to know of the danger, Caraxes still holds Vhagar. Daemon won't let Aemond go; Caraxes won't let Vhagar go. Vhagar is trying to get Caraxes off her; Aemond is trying to get his chains off him to escape Daemon. Caraxes is holding onto Vhagar so Aemond cannot escape from Daemon and Daemon has a stable edge over Aemond to plunge Dark sister into Aemond's head. They see to work together and take their final turns to eliminate this threat. These are all why this passage--for all the stuff about how we nor even the few witnesses there (Alys Rivers and some fisherman) can't possibly know it definitely happened this way--is so important, impresses people. It also needed to be there bc the alternative--a mere summary of Daemon killing Aemond and people finding the sword/bodies--is comparatively more boring. (Daemon at Harrenhal, waiting for Aemond, as set up for the narrative value of their deaths)
Why didn't GRRM treat Luke's death the same, with as much detail? Luke had no substantial degree of advantage over Aemond as Daemon did. They were not even close to being on any "equal" or footing? Luke had no chance; the moment was meat to highlight how little chance he had, how much of a victim he was. It wasn't a battle--it was just ordinary murder and served to make Aemond one of the critical the instigator of the war. What would it add/reveal?
Even if he "accidentally" killed Luke, he still decided to fly after him and "teach him a lesson", provoked into killing for glory or proving a point alone even at the cost of endangering his folks at home. It doesn't matter, really, whether he meant to murder him or not. It began the war--the end. What would a details of a victim's murder (in the context of a historical text) do for the story that the murder itself doesn't already? Or corresponding advantages vs disadvantages that Aemond and Daemon had?
Whereas Daemon's killing Aemond has many layers about:
him
dragon bonds
Rhaenyra
the sides' motives and deterioration into the state they were in, of which I already described
I'll say this about HotD!Aemond "accidentally" killing Luke; it may provide a a layer of Aemond deciding at every turn to dig more into his heels about destroying the blacks because then he won't have to justify his errors and wrongs if he just wins. thus his stupidity during the war, esp the one with Cole going south and him staying behind...perhaps he will think he's "making up" for that mistake...idk.
And we know that Daemon managed to get Aemond through the eye bc the text explicitly states that people found said sword in Aemon's eye when he was left there, still tied to Vhagar at the bottom of the lake at the Gods Eye ("Rhaenyra Triumphant"):
Sometimes, in fiction, what seem to be smaller concessions of logic are simply fun and/or have a larger purpose and/or supply basis for something bigger and have ther own valid "logic" that is critical to other themes. This is one of those times.
You may not like GRRM's writing of Daemon and you may hate Daemon no matter what...but to make interpretation errors because of that dislike and allowing that dislike to color how you see what's actually written doesn't make for a sound literary critique. There are fair critiques of how GRRM writes his female vs male characters, especially Tyrion, Shea, the constant childbirth death...Daemon being, say, the "center" of the Dance is certainly not one of them. You have rather bought into some of the propaganda and rumor mongering prevalent that is meant to degrade Rhaenyra. Which I guess make F&B so good; it accomplished what it set out to do.
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rant about original content on this hellhole and why I can't stand the expectations to make fan art
If Tumblr is a more fandom oriented website, then I'm curious as to where I should post original content. Short-form posting spaces like Twitter or Bluesky don't work for how long I like to type and I prefer doing text effects, Instagram is my fucking opp I've hated insta since I was a kid /hj, and uh... That's all I know. I don't know anyone my age who uses Facebook so that's a no as well.
I am using a newer platform for OCs but it's relatively new and yeah, it could be better. Tumblr is a very cozy website for me to use especially with the lack of drama and weirdness (although some people's takes make me wince on here like woah buddy that's borderline extremism) but people genuinely don't give a shit about what I do unless it's fan art.
I got sick of making fan art and fan content because it made me tired and I felt detached from myself. I don't even mean this in a chronically online way — art is an extension of myself and to constantly be doing something that isn't linked to me felt draining. Yeah sure wahwah TCPS is cool or whatever but I don't want to just work on that. My newer projects have been made to help me cope with a severely abusive relationship I underwent last year. I don't want to disappoint the people who enjoy my work but... I can't do just one thing forever. I will take breaks. Nothing is permanently cancelled when it comes to me. (That is, unless it had associations to a traumatic incident, like KochiPET.)
I want to share my hard work with people online, but I get tired of it only being to my small circle of friends. I miss getting a hundred likes on art but I remember it's for fan art, nothing original. This is even worse as an autistic person that just can't seem to get hyperfixations anymore. Not sure what happened but there has been a dramatic change in my brain chemistry since I got depression and COVID. The abuse damaged how I felt about sharing my interests because he would always belittle me about how I liked something and would instead make me consume something he liked instead. It was terrible.
So since then I haven't really... Fixated on media anymore. It could be that nothing is interesting anymore since the rise of AI, or that nothing worthwhile has crossed my path, but without a fixation, I don't give a fuck to make fan made media. The only fixation I have right now is on my own projects, and while I'm happy to have one, this is a massive issue for wanting to get my stuff recognized.
I'm not really angry as I'm writing this, more so just neutral. It's annoying, because I do see some OC work on here getting thousands. It's most definitely not an issue with my designs or writing though, because I've gotten compliments on my work since I was 10 (back in the amino days). So, whatever it is, perhaps it's being shadowbanned or being disliked by the system, it makes me pretty annoyed smh
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Tw: si, Cas goes on a fucking RANT
WOAH WOAH WOAH
let’s all take a deep breath here, alright? The fact that people are making fun of others for that is RIDICULOUS. Full stop.
The things you do in life with YORU BODY don’t denote maturity. There is no checklist to decide if you’re ahead or behind. But even if there was, drugs and sex would NOT be on there!!!! Ugh, that’s horrible!
Both of those things are deeply personal choices. And NOBODY should be judging you for whether or not you do them. Holy shit. I can’t say that enough.
Please don’t do drugs. Especially if you don’t want to. Especially if you’re feeling pressured to. People literally die from that shit. No. No no no. You do NOT need to go out and find some random pills to make yourself mature. Nope. No. Noooooooooooooo.
Now, here’s the thing. Am I judging people who do drugs? No. Have I done drugs before? Well…I’ve smoked. But that was MY choice, and I’m not gonna think someone is immature for setting boundaries about what they put in their body!!! Ew! No!
Same with sex!! Oh my god, you have TRAUMA! And even if you didn’t, you have all the right in the world to set boundaries about WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR BODY!
Oh, I could rant for hours.
Hon, you are not behind. You can read. You can write. THOSE are the things you need to do to succeed in this world. Please please do not worry about sex and drugs. Only do the things you are comfortable with, because god forbid someone makes you feel like you have to do something you don’t want to do I will BIRST THEOUGH THIS SCREEN AND COME FOR THEM HOLY SHIT. God, I hate people sometimes. Judging LITERAL TEENAGERS FOR WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR BODIES? SMH I need a minute.
Please understand I am not mad at you I just…society is so fucked.
Also I need you to inbox me to lmk you’re okay. And that you understand. And please know I will remind you EVERY DAY if you need me to. Your body is yours to set boundaries with.
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ok the people have spoken so here are my insane notes from TROP s1e1 (contains spoilers for s2 kind of because this is a rewatch)
PLSSS I’M DYING it started playing with tamil audio bc me and my mama (mama as in amma/mother not uncle) watching some tamil movies earlier and now i can’t stop thinking: first of all, i should lowk consider learning tamil this way - by watching shows i know and love in tamil (guys I’m a genius this is how i can beat the coconut allegations) and second of all i just started laughing over the thought of Legolas saying “they’re taking the hobbits to isengard” in tamil so asked my mom how to say that in tamil and it was JUST as unserious as it sounds in my mind, so even tho my tamil vocab is limited now i know now to say this very important phrase
ok let’s lock in now that i’ve adjusted the language
bruh how are there bullies in freaking VALINOR is this not the land of whimsy and joy smh
deep ahh conversations for siblings to be have like i know they’re elves but also like BRUH FINROD AND GALADRIEL NEED TO BE CLAWING EACH OTHER’S EYES OUT NOT BONDING SMH-
(joking mostly)
the way the quality of season 2 is so clearly superior to this LMAOOO
“a symbol that even our wisest could not discern” … idk i feel like this should be pretty easy to discern but maybe that’s just bc i’m the one watching it
i’m sorry but galadriel is sooo “i’m not like other elves” coded rn-
like i know it’s for good reason and she’s my love and life but 😭
ELRONDDDD MY POOKIEEEE MY BABYDOLLLLLL
god he’s such a romantic and poetic also the way he scribbled out the word was so aesthetic god i love him (i am pathetic i know)
PLS I LOVE HIMMMMMM HE IS MY DARLINGGGG
the way his eyes lit up when he found out galadriel was back i love their friendship so much
GODDD i love how the elves are so touchy and sweet with each other without it being weird like i love platonic intimacy so much
ugh their banter is so sweet they care about each other so much my heartttt i forgot how sweet they are
HE JUST WANTS SOME TIME WITH HIS GIRL HE MISSES HIS FRIENDDDD
ok like… i know i oughtn’t but i see why people ship them, galadriel has elrond in the palm of her hand but also like bruh nahhhhhh they are NOT-
ok like slightly off topic but im a bit in love with nori…
AWWW NORI AND HER MOM i love
“our days of war are over” famous last words (“delulu,” to quote my mother dearest)
IM SORRY I CANT TAKE GIL-GALAD SERIOUSLY NOW THAT I KNOW HIS ACTOR IS SUCH A GOOF
awww elrond is so smiley i miss his poet era
“kind as summer,” my darling my dear
god he’s so needlessly flowery i love him
HE IS SOOOO SWEET I WANT HIMMM
the way he truly sees valinor as something good because he doesn’t want to permanently lose galadriel
and he knows the pain of losing a brother too
he really just wants her to stay he really doesn’t want her to die
“i have seen my share” oh my baby (cue i bet on losing dogs) (also my thoughts on this scene WILL be included in my eventual rant about elrond)
he’s so fine i can’t-
like i know he’s wrong but like he’s also right 😭
:(((( this is so sad i feel for galadriel she has seen horrors nobody should have had to endure
god he’s so noble i love elrond more than anything
“what you have always been: my friend” AUGHHHHHHH I AM SUCH A CORNBALL I LOVE THISSS
oh hi puppy dog:)
oh boy here comes the dead-end romance (my bad gang i’m a hater)
bruh who is this emo ass blond ass twig
say it don’t spray it you long grass
and stop wasting good food and drink smh
ew i’m such a hater of this bronwyn/arondir romance i’m sorryyy
lmao not arondir getting trolled by his companion LMAOO
arondir is so sassy i love him
damn arondir’s friend really foreshadowed the end of this 💀
his ass is NOT leaving let’s be so fr 💀🙏
ew what 79 years i sure hope he only met bronwyn when she was an adult
goddd i love it in the “i’ve said it in every way but words” trope must admit
punk ass kid interrupted the moment
“i’m going with you” GIRL 😭-
don’t play with cursed blades kiddos…
ELRONDDDDDD :’((((( my sweet boy
damn they lowk foresaw right she did inadvertently keep alive the evil 💀
wait elrond bae what did you doooo (tbh i forgot what he did)
CELEBRIMBOR MENTIONED OH MY LOVELY LOVE
omgggh i forgot elrond and celebrimbor worked together guys i will not be normal about this
BRIMBYYYYYYYYY HE’S RIGHT THERE AHHHHHHHHHH IM SO ABNORMAL ABOUT HIMMMM
also smash-
huh who said that
not me definitely not me
bro you cannot tell me they had to stand like 🧍 for days on that rickety ass boat like that looks so uncomfortable
npc ahh elf 😒😒
ugh they’re lowk singing so ethereally tho
the strength she must have to be embraced by light of valinor itself and reject it because she knows it is not her time like GOD I LOVE YOU GALADRIEL
CELEBRIMBOR AND ELROND IN THE SAME
FRAME TURNING THEIR HEADS IN SYNC (i’m actually crashing out)
sozin’s comet ahh gandalf entrance
bruh ain’t no way galadriel rawdogged the sundering seas until “halbrand” finds her bffr
GANDYYYYY (grandelf lmao)
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