#Hati&Máni

[diana-andraste]

The Wolves Pursuing Sól and Máni, J.C. Dollman, 1909

Hati and Sköll chase the sun and the moon in H.A. (Hélène Adeline) Guerber's Myths of the Norsemen from the Eddas and Sagas.

[mendelmakes]

Alternative Máni and Sól(sunna) cards with sköll and hati included

[bowldrips]

I know I've asked this before but what is an elliptical orbit but a cosmic roller derby track?

[cindyslurkin]

Imagine just running away from 2 of the most feared wolfs for entirety and if you are caught Ragnarök will start(credits to ikarunna on Deviantart)

[chrissabug]

🌘 Máni, god of the moon, embodies the nocturnal skies. He commands his celestial chariot, casting pale illumination in his wake. He symbolizes contemplation and introspection, offering a tranquil respite from the business of the day. Yet, Máni’s fate, too, is intertwined with the prophesied Ragnarök, when he will face his relentless pursuer, Hati, the wolf that seeks to devour the moon, heralding the cataclysmic end.✨💫

[varijeri]

so i was watching Fit's stream and he was cleaning up a Federation outpost.... what's up with the outpost names huh? long post warning TL;DR at bottom.

Sector A's outpost names are derived from Slavic mythology; specifically special places from the myths. after searching these names online i found this website: https://meettheslavs.com/slavic-mythological-places/ taking from the website; 1. there's a "mystical mountain of Vitor" that's "built in heaven" and "hard to find because it changes its location as soon as the wind blows in a different direction". it's also said to have dragons living on it (this is the one Fit was sent to for repairs, and it also had weird blue draconic-looking creatures around it. it was also an icy mountain...) 2. there's a "Buyan/Bujan Island", described to "appear and disappear with the tides" and be the "dwelling place of three brothers, the Northern, Western and Eastern winds". 3. there's a "Kingdom of Opona", an "imaginary place [that] existed at the edge of the Earth which [ancient Russians] imagined as a flat plane." it was believed "free and happy [peasants]" lived in this country under a "true and just" ruler. 4. there's a "Vyraj/Viraj", a "resting place for the souls and spirits" AKA the equivalent of Heaven in Slavic mythology. it's "a place where birds find their retreat in the winter". (notably this outpost is inactive) 5. lastly there's a "Nav/Nawia", a "mysterious place for the souls of the dead", and "often interpreted as another version of the imaginary place Vyraj", so AKA Hell or the Underworld. (the Hell outpost is active but not the Heaven outpost???) If Outpost Vitor sort of matches the description from the myth, maybe the other outposts do too? so like Bujan is on an island in the sea, Opona is super far out in a village maybe, Viraj and Nawia i have no clue... Sector B's outpost names are derived from Norse mythology; specifically Norse gods. being a nerd i noticed this instantly which was what tipped me off to search up Sector A's names. taking from various sources, but mostly from their Wikipedia articles: 1. "Tyr" is an one-armed god representing justice and fair treaties despite being a god of war, who lost his arm in the process of binding Fenrir the wolf. he dies in Ragnarök. 2. "Odin/Woden/Wodan" is the ruler of Asgard, the All-Father, and the one-eyed god of wisdom war, and death. he presided over Valhalla, a sacred hall that housed dead warriors in preparation for Ragnarok. he dies in Ragnarök. 3. "Thor/Donar" is probably the most popular Norse god, the god of thunder. the embodiment of strength, he is the protector of the Æsir and the humans. he dies in Ragnarök. 4. "Máni" is the god of the Moon and brother of Sol, the goddess of the Sun. they is eternally chased by Skoll and Hati, two wolves who seek to plunge the world into chaos by eating the Sun and Moon. he dies in Ragnarök. 5. Outpost Frïja I believe is "Frigg", the Queen of Asgard and the goddess of marriage, family and motherhood. she lives in Ragnarök. notably, all five gods (and goddess) lend their names to days of the week (Máni -> Monday, Tyr -> Tuesday, Woden -> Wednesday, Thor -> Thursday, and Frigg -> Friday). none of these outposts are active, they are all inactive or under maintenance, so i'm inclined to believe these aren't as important right now as compared to Sector A... still, these outposts are named after Slavic and Norse myths for a reason possibly so these might be significant. Nothing particularly comes to mind but if anyone has any idea feel free to add on... TL;DR: Federation Outpost names from Fit's stream have Slavic/Norse mythology inspired names, possible significance?

[stop-hammer-time]

A reminder this summer to turn off your lights at night! Light polution has gotten so bad you can no longer see Hati chasing Máni!

[jedimandalorian]

@mandojediblogger Your posts about Tolkien’s influence on the Filoniverse inspired this. @seleneisrising I thought you’d enjoy this too.

Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati are wargs.

Quote:

“In the philologist and fantasy author J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth fiction, a warg is a particularly large and evil kind of wolf that could be ridden by orcs. He derived the name and characteristics of his wargs by combining meanings and myths from Old Norse and Old English. In Norse mythology, a vargr (anglicised as warg) is a wolf, especially the wolf Fenrir that destroyed the god Odin in the battle of Ragnarök, and the wolves Sköll and Hati, Fenrir's children, who perpetually chase the Sun and Moon.”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warg

So who are Skoll and Hati chasing in Ahsoka?

Shin Hati is in conflict with Sabine Wren in the trailer, and Baylan Skoll seems to be Ahsoka’s foe in the footage we’ve seen so far.

Quote:

“In Norse mythology, Hati Hróðvitnisson (Old Norse: [ˈhɑte ˈhroːðˌwitnesˌson], first name meaning "He Who Hates", or "Enemy") is a warg; a wolf that, according to Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda, chases Máni, the Moon, across the night sky, just as the wolf Sköll chases Sól, the Sun, during the day, until the time of Ragnarök, when they will swallow these heavenly bodies.”

Source:

Apparently Skoll chases the sun (Ahsoka) and Hati chases the moon (Sabine). So if they catch them does that mean that Ragnarök, the Twilight of the Gods, will begin?

“War is inevitable. One must destroy in order to create.” —Baylan Skoll in the Ahsoka trailer.

Dave Filoni likes to tell us what he’s been up to without really telling us. Remember the Rebels episode called “Wolves and a Door”?

Ahsoka may take us on a “new road” or along “hidden paths” by way of a “secret gate.”

[thorraborinn]

is it true that skoll chases the moon and not the sun?

The short answer is that it appears to be "no." As far as we can tell, Skoll/Sköll chases the sun.

Grímnismál says:

Sköll heitir ulfr, er fylgir inu skírleita goði til varna viðar, en annarr Hati, hann er Hróðvitnis sonr, sá skal fyr heiða brúði himins. 'A wolf is named Sköll who follows the bright-faced god to the wood-shelter, but the second is Hati, he is Hróðvitnir's son, that one shall (go) before the bright bride of the sky.'

('Wood-shelter' is taken to mean the trees on the horizon, that is, until setting.)

Snorri restates this in plainer prose language:

Þat eru tveir úlfar, ok heitir sá, er eftir henni ferr, Skoll. Hann hræðist hon, ok hann mun taka hana. En sá heitir Hati Hróðvitnisson, er fyrir henni hleypr, ok vill hann taka tunglit, ok svá mun verða. 'There are two wolves, and the one which goes after [the sun] is called Skoll. She fears him, and he will take her. And the other is called Hati Hróðvitnisson, who runs before her, and he wants to take the moon, and that will happen.'

So strictly speaking, neither of them chase the moon. According to both of these, Sköll follows behind the sun, and though Hati will eventually take the moon, his position is described as being in front of the sun.

It's not clear to me that the Grímnismál stanza couldn't be interpreted such that it skírleita goð could be Máni rather than Sól, though I agree the traditional interpretation is much more likely. The word goð 'god' reveals nothing about gender, as it's neuter in Old Norse. But while the word skírleitr 'bright-faced' could certainly apply to the moon in isolation, if someone says "the bright-faced one" and the sun is an option, we know they're talking about the sun. It would also indicate a situation where, while Sköll is chasing Máni, Sól is chasing Hati.

My interpretation of this is that the sun is flanked by wolves, and that the one following behind her will eventually get her, at which point the one who had been ahead of her will break off and get the moon.

For a long time this has been interpreted as referring to the phenomenon of "sun dogs," a phenomenon where the sun actually does appear to be flanked by two smaller sun-like bodies, caused by refraction of the sun's light. Conditions for sun dogs are not uncommon in Iceland. In Icelandic folklore, when they appear, it's said that "the sun is in úlfakreppa," meaning something like 'wolf-touble' or 'wolf-danger.'

In Vafþrúðnismál, it's Fenrir who gets the sun. Snorri also makes mention of a certain Mánagarmr, whom he calls the mightiest of the entire family of "jötnar in wolves' shape," presumably meaning something like 'moon-dog,' though Garmr is the name of a specific mythological dog and not a normal word for a dog (normally it means 'a tatter, rag'). This Mánagarmr is also supposed to swallow the moon. Since Snorri seems to present Hati and Mánagarmr as different, he may be contradicting himself. But it's also possible that while Hati captures the moon he doesn't eat him, leaving that to Mánagarmr; and it's also possible that they are the same and Snorri phrased it strangely; or else that he had two contradictory pieces of lore that he tried to fuse together.

My suspicion is that the precise identities of who did what here were rather fluid up until a late time.

[hermesserpent-stuff]

trying to think of a good symbol for hiccup and dagur to pick up that is not associated with either of their original tribes....

like maybe some of the norse mytholgical animals?

Sköll and Hati are two monstrous wolves who pursue the sun and the moon in the hope of devouring them. Sköll chases the Sun (personified as the goddess Sól), while Hati chases the Moon (personified as the god Máni). I like the duality of these

2. Fenrir due to the ties to tyr and vadir

3. Sleipnir for running far

opinions? not set yet

[nerium-aquifolium]

“You keep coming back for me the way Hati would chase Máni every night. I don’t get why you do it, but I hope you signal the end of my misery.

The name precedes you. With a heart so big, you store the hate that I’m unable to muster towards others in my place. Each of the waving hairs in your pristine mane is a reflection of my idea of the sun, straight from the intelligible realm, and the sadness in my soul reflected your rays of light”.

Other designs of Hati I did.

[primary-visions]

Hey, So I plan on calling your reader insert The Artificer, but do Sun and Moon call their DnD characters by different names? Or did they just say to themselves, "We wanna experience the self-insert life style," and just named their characters after themselves? Either way, It's cute.

You’re spoiling me here Anon 🥰

Sun would choose the name Soliel cause he thinks it sounds pretty (it’s Sun in French) and Moon would pick the name Hati after the wolf that chases the Moon in Norse Mythology.

Moon: You could be Skoll with me! Wouldn’t that be cool?

Sun: Hmmm.. I don’t want that name. And technically you could be Máni because that literally is the Moon in the Norse Edda.

Moon: That’s too obvious, like Soliel.

Reader: Guys stop! No fighting over the names you pick! You guys can be anything you want. You could be Pickle and Dog and it would be fine. *throwing out random words for the names*

*Both Sun and Moon start laughing at the names Pickle and Dog*

[ladybrythwensinclair]

Hail Máni

Hail to the blessed brother of Sunna Hail to the Keeper of Night’s Lantern Hail to the One who is chased by Hati Bless and walk with us this day

[tacticalvalor]

«────── « HEADCANON » ──────»

Shin Hati shares her name with Hati, the wolf that chases the Moon in Norse mythology, while her master (Baylan Skoll) shares his name with Sköll, the wolf that chases the Sun.

Sköll is a wolf that, according to Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda, chases the Sun (Sól) riding her chariot across the sky. Hati Hróðvitnisson chases the Moon (Máni) during the night.

In Old Norse religion, it is foretold the two wolves will chase the sun and moon across the skies until Ragnarök, at which point the wolves catch up and devour the celestial beings.

Baylan really meant it when he said, "Your ambition drives you in one direction; my path lies in another."

And I am terrified that he knows their deaths are inevitable, and is creating distance so that there may be a chance she survives beyond him.

[ghostlyerlkonig]

the moon is a man in norse myth. his sister, the sun, is survived by her daughter after the end times when the realms are remade. máni is not. I do not regret my transness, I do not wish to be cis, I do not wish to not be me, those who love me, they often wish I was Sól, survived in a different way, than Máni, left to in inevitable fate. but if the end times do come, I should lose myself to fear them so much that i give away a part of myself, rather than exist, I should not see worth in anything, not even Hati at my tail. it does ache sometimes, as if he has already snapped when I dared to slow and fall into a foggy mind, but one wound is very little when there is so much to do.

Some process video below✨️🌑

This is my tattoo that you can see the very very tip of on the raised arm.