#Goidelic languages

[polysprachig]

A note on posting in Irish (Gaeilge):

I was brainstorming what types of posts could be helpful to Irish learners in langblr and came up with the following:

posts where you can listen to a reading with an explanation of some of the trickier grammar points

vocabulary posts which include examples of all 4 noun forms (nom + gen, sg + pl) so there's context

notes on sentence structure/word form where the examples actually use the structure/word you're trying to learn (if you know, you know)

links to videos which include Irish and/or Irish & English subtitles

mini-lessons on grammar with notes on the source references

tags including canúint or CEFR-level, if relevant (especially for grammar or vocab)

Anything I'm missing here? Please share your ideas Gaeilgeoirí agus foghlaimeoirí in langblr!

[mapsontheweb]

Distribution of Goidelic/Gealic languages (Irish, Scottish and Manx).

by cactusmapping/instagram

[sierrawitch]

Table of Contents

Welcome to my little corner of the internet. I am autumn sierra, a Goidelic (Celtic) and Eclectic Folk practitioner. Here you’ll find my musings and recordings of my practice and its many facets—including history, geography, language, culture, etc. Please stay a while 🌿

Celtic Pagans & Witches Community Page

Returning to the old ways of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and more, this is a space for us to come together, share traditions, experiences, culture, and much more.

Academic Articles

Menstrual Magick: The Goddess Within

Celtic History & Culture

Ogham Master Post

Celtic Customs: Hair

Celtic Customs: Death

Mallacht, Géisa, Piseógs, Sugáns & Bulláns: Superstition & Cursing

Scottish Saining

What is “Celtic”?

Sacred Animals & Their Correspondances

Proverbs, Sayings & Blessings

Painful Medicine T.D.M

An Open Ear & Open Mind T.D.M.

Intuitive Magick

Rebirth Shower

Healing Doll

Journal Entries

Visualization for the Clairvoyantly Impaired

Manifestation of the Spoken Word

On Religious Guilt

On Consistency

On Spirits and Animism

On Freshwater

Online Safety Concerns for Practitioners

Polls

“Baby Witch”

Resources

PDFs courtesy of maevefinnartist

[kaizey]

On Gaelic vs Gaeilge vs Irish

Since several people have been asking me stuff regarding this today, and with Unreal Unearth adding to the eyes on it, I wanted to lend an irish voice to the pile already saying this, but it can be useful for non-irish people to learn (mostly americans)

Anyway; Gaelic vs Gaeilge vs Irish

Gaelic: This is infact an english word. As béarla, ok? It derives itself from the irish Gael, which itself comes from the old irish Goídel, an adapted word from old welsh meaning "wildman" or "forestman". In our actual language, the word for 'gaelic' is itself 'gaelach'

Gaelic, also, in the broader sense, is more than just language. Its a word covering the Goidelic languages originating in Ireland, and of wider Gaelic culture across Ireland, Scotland and Mannin. These are widely disparate places in our regional cultures, lexicons and yes, language.

Irish: The english word for our language and by far what the majority of anyone here will refer to as our language when speaking about it i mBéarla

Gaeilge: The Linguonym for irish *in* irish. Its by far the second most encountered term youll hear anyone from here use when talking about irish other than the english word. See where the common term "as gaeilge" comes from

tl;dr Youre not technically incorrect for saying Gaelic when referring to the irish language. But its much less accurate than just calling it irish, and in our language, we refer to it as Gaeilge (general pron. Gw-ale-guh)

Anyway, Go raibh math agat and hope youve been enjoying the Unreal Unearth as much as I have. Definitely not emotionally wrecked by it or anything

Slán

[gay-jewish-bucky]

Public Service Announcement to Marvel Fans

Sarah Rogers is from Ireland, she is Irish. Her son, Steve Rogers, is Irish-American. In addition to speaking English, they'd likely natively speak Irish. They would not natively speak Gaelic.

While both Irish and Gaelic are in the Goidelic family of Celtic languages, they are two entirely different languages, spoken in two separate countries, both of which have their own separate histories and cultures.

Irish (also known as 'Gailege' in the Irish language, or less commonly and very confusingly 'Irish Gaelic' due to very poor anglicization*) is the language of Ireland and spoken by the Irish people.

Additionally, any translation resources you utilize for 'Gaelic' as a language will not give you the Irish language, because in English the word 'Gaelic', when referring to one specific language, refers only to the language of Scottland.

'Irish' is the conventional English term for the Irish language.

*Calling Irish 'Irish Gaelic' is very insulting to Irish speakers who fight to keep the language alive, as that name comes out of centuries of English ignorance and subjugation of all aspects of Irish identity and culture.

[sillygoblinantics]

Watched ant’s werewolf video.

(And the transcript)

I applaud the history and mythology section but there’s never mention of the other werewolves!

And to that

I have to grab the sources, More specifically this!

Welcome to my silly hyperfixation sperg!

I love me some mythology and history of these fantastical creatures. I do enjoy the movie approach and filmography of the werewolf history. (Even though you skipped shapeshifters from ❤️💀🤖) but I wanted to add to the cryptozoological side of it even if I’m a bit amateurish of the study.

Let’s dive in

Though early origins to the term of lycanthropy dating back to Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece via Latin language, humans that transform into dog like hybrids is a universal concept that can be found all over the world from Europe to South Asia!

As was our human way to explain what wasn’t yet known scientifically of modern times, for the civilizations who came before us, strangeness in people from neurological to physical abnormalities were thought to be otherworldly!

A rare mutation but oldest documented instance is when the hair on the body grow longer than what is “normal” leading to top to bottom fully covered in hair people: Hypertrichosis. Which is where the image of transformation came from or at least hypothesized to have been the origins of. Then there’s the actual clinically diagnosis of “clinical lycanthropy” which is when someone who has this believes they are in fact a werewolf.

So with the fun science out of the way! Allow me to list off every lycanthrope from around the world!

In alphabetical order of each name:

Airitech

Folklore of the Goidelic Celts.

Alp

Originating in Germany

Anjing Ajak

Indonesia

Azeman

Suriname folklore

Bal-bal

Philippines

Beast of Gevaudin

(Werehyena) France

Budas

Ancient Abyssinia

Buxenwolf

German folklore

Enkidu

Gilgamesh’s “best friend”

Headless mule

Iberian folklore - Portugal and Spain

Karkanxhol

Kolivilor

Albanian mythology

Kornwolf

Estonia, France, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Poland and Russia

Lobis-Homem

Ancient Portuguese folklore

Lobishomen

(Female vampire witch werewolf) Brazil

Lobison

Argentina

Loup Garou

French origin and Caribbean island folklore

Luison

Paraguayan folklore

Lupo Mannaro

Italian and ancient Roman folklore

Marrock (Marrok the good knight)

Arthurian folklore

Zmag Ognjeni Vuk

Bosnian folklore (fire breathing werewolf)

I need a minute to catch my breath!

Ok!

As you can tell there’s quite a lot but I feel the need to also mention a morally good lycanthrope

Hailing from the Shetland isles of Scotland: the Wulver

They’d watch over flocks and tend to chores and leave behind fish on the windowsills of homes once they’re done helping. It’s said they’d only act in violence if provoked but other than that they were mostly seen as good!

So that’s my lil sperging about werewolf mythology! Good video Anthony!

I’m shook that no one mentioned the werewolves from the Halloween anthology film “Trick or Treat” or “the wolf among us” which was about the big bad wolf being a detective in a modern setting with fairytales and murder! Or the other red riding hood movie! “Red Riding Hood” (2011); with really good color story of mostly black and white scenery and striking red from our leading lady!

Ohmygod I nearly forgot that Pokémon even has a werewolf pokemon!

But ye I don’t have any better way to end this… other than a silly animation >:3c

[historia-vitae-magistras]

gosh, 27 for the anglo family please :)

27.) Bestest card game player?

Poker matches in this fucking family would be batshit. Brighid, Jack and Rhys are out quickly because they're all shit at hiding their tells from people who know them well. Matt is out next because he's only stoic until the third beer. Alasdair usually folds pretty quickly because he's not about to gut the niblings. That usually leaves Arthur, Alfred and Zee. Two master liars and the man who taught them, lmao. It's anyone's game from there.

Arthur kicks everyone's ass at word games. No one will play Scrabble or Categories with that man. English is his great influence on the world, and that man can be as clever with his words as Shakespeare. He'll pull out the most obscure words or even Cumbrian or another dead language and start a family row that ends with him and Rhys screaming their heads off about dead insular celtic vowels as Brighid and Alasdair's Goidelic asses just stand there drinking scotch like "what's done it this time?" as Matt just sighs "Cumbrian" like its the worst swear word he knows and goes to get the hose because now they're wrestling on the kitchen floor.

Of his siblings, Matt is the best at chess. His brain is tactically oriented, and Matt's always been rather reserved and not the best conversationalist. As a result, chess was one of the few activities he did well enough to keep François' attention on him. Same with Arthur later. Matt didn't give him the lively conversation Alfred would, but he was good enough at chess. He got good enough at it that he started winning more than half the matches and learned to convincingly throw the games when he played Arthur or Alfred, and they were in a bad mood.

[mycoins]

A couple of worldbuilding questions- how like scientifically accurate would you say the geography is in your setting? Did you like research like rivers and inlets and shit or did you just kinda wing it? And did you create a conlang for your setting? If so, how much of it did you create- enough for names or a whole language? And if not, how do you name things while keeping them interesting and not boring and/or gibberish? I'm sorry for sending you so many worldbuilding asks, I just really like your takes on it and could use some advice- but I know you're probably busy and if you don't want to answer, I understand! Either way I hope you have a good day <3

The geography i tend to try to strike a balance between stuff that is just realistic enough to not make people go "wow that's definitely some magical high fantasy shit" and "the structure of this is subservient to the story i'm trying to tell.

as for conlangs, i don't really like building full languages. instead, i'll research like language families and work within a region and its population which naturally will contain different dialects or languages in the same family. i took a lot of inspiration from the different goidelic languages for a part of my setting, and allowed inconsistencies in particular naming conventions or pronunciation to be chalked up to the fact that there's a lot of different living languages in the world. that might not work if you want a larger shared language in a world where there's a larger global community so ymmv

[aefensteorrra]

goidelic languages my beloveds <3

[blackthxrntree]

I knew I'd be mildly irritated by people talking about the irish lyrics purely because ye do not know what this language is actually called

The language native to the island of Ireland is called Gaeilge or Irish

[Minor rant under the cut]

It's not Celtic. It's not Gaelic. It's not Galic.

Celtic is a language family - Gàdhligh (Scotland) and Manx (Isle of Man) are in the same Goidelic branch as Gaelige. Cymraeg (Wales) and Brezhoneg (Brittany) are in the Brittonic branch.

These languages are related but they are not the same.

Gaelic is an adjective used to describe things that come from Ireland/are distinctly Irish. For example, Gaelic Games are our national sports - Hurling, Camogie, Gaelic Football (and handball but nobody cares about that)

But ya just please take 10 seconds to figure out what this language is actually called its not difficult

(also jesus christ stop with the fairy comparisons we have a very much living and thriving culture we are neither dead nor folkloric)

[polysprachig]

ar bharr mo theanga

on the tip of my tongue

Bhí mallacht ar bharr mo theanga nuair a bhí mo chairde ag magadh faoi mo blorbos.

[flyoverkushtaka]

Playing soccer on Friday revealed a few things to me, mainly 1) that I really suck at soccer, and 2) once I start running changing direction quickly is next to impossible, not unlike a certain fictional mustelid. I fell down twice, quite literally tumbling on one occasion. At least it was a friendly match, and hitting the ball with my head was fun. I want to do more of that.

It's a little frustrating that despite working out basically every day and being (if I do say so myself) pretty decent on the dancefloor, neither of these things translates over to athleticism on the field. Or maybe it's a problem with my legs. Or I just need to practice more. Gym is like theory and sports are like praxis. Sort of like content and expression I guess. (Can I be a body without organs and still have a dick? Is that on the table?) As far as dancing, well, maybe repurposing that spontaneous libidinal energy requires something with more physical contact. Maybe rugby really is in my near future. . . .

I won't beat myself up over my athletic incompetence too much since I tried my best and I was also playing against real Europeans. The day after while limping through a nature preserve I had to bat down the atavistic part of my brain that was panicking over how everyone knows how useless I am now, but I really know I just need to chill out bro and let it slide off my like water on a duck. I was gazing at some ducks on the lake and realized I could stop myself from feeling bad by feeling relaxed instead. If I just take everyone's friendliness at face value and reflect it back at them like a tranquil shimmering lake, I'll be fine. I don't have to be such a god damn Southerner about social interactions up here, scrutinizing every sentence for hidden meanings and coded contexts. Midwesterners are a little gormless, but I think they mean what they say for the most part, and I like that. It's easier for someone like me to deal with.

Yesterday instead of thinking about soccer I was exploring some interesting corners of the internet and realized that there seem to be two basic approaches to erotic hypnosis: One we'll call, for no particular reason, the Irish style which prioritizes insinuation and subtlety, and the other (again for no particular reason) the Scottish style which is more about overstimulation to break down rational thought. They're not mutually exclusive, just as the Goidelic languages are to a degree mutually intelligible (I spelled that wrong at first because I'm a dumb himbo slut) but they do diverge in conceptualization and I guess I'd say mood? It's the difference between a friend and a master, maybe. (Lucifer vs Dis Pater? Note to self: Work on this metaphor.) I'll have to do some more, ah, comparative research. Maybe see which leaves me more physically coordinated.

[catt-nuevenor]

Morá

Have a gander at this from a Proto-Celtic Etymological Dictionary:

Read 'demon' with a fair amount of side-eye here, we're dealing with a translation and reconstruction from a post Christianisation period. When you see 'demon' think more 'supernatural being'.

A quick guide to the abbreviations:

GOID - Goidelic, Celtic language group including Irish, Scottish Gaelic, and Manx.

PIE - Proto-Indo-European, ancestral language of many modern and ancient European Languages.

COGN - Think of it as comparative examples from languages outside of Proto-Celtic or its descendents.

Of the comparative examples:

OHG - Old High German

Russ - Russian

Croat - Croatian (Standard)

ETYM - Etymology

REF - Reference to source Dictionary texts.

Source: Matasović Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Celtic

[ormspryde]

No I am not sitting here at three in the morning trying to decide which goidelic language I want to HC Tercian as, thank you very little.

[supernini235]

Latin, ancient Greek, Brittonic, Old Norse, and Goidelic. I think if I get the language bases down, learning other Western European languages would probably get easier. Also there's probably some financial gain to fluently speaking ancient languages and being able to teach them

If you could instantly be granted fluency in 5 languages—not taking away your existing language proficiency in any way, solely a gain—what 5 would you choose?

[dhampiravidi]

oraia's timeline for her SPN verse

3521 BCE: born in the Nile Delta

3100s: exiled from Poseidon’s kingdom to the island Polyaigos

2650: meets & trains w/Artemis for the first time

[2580 – 2510: Old Kingdom/Pyramids of Giza are built; increase in elaborate burials as the Kemetic peoples/Ancient Egyptians place more emphasis on the afterlife so Oraia’s mom, Nebet-Het, is much busier]

2500s: she finds her mom & they are forced to leave Kemet/Egypt by Sutekh, so the pair go south to live with w/the Kerma people in Southern Nubia/Sudan. Before Oraia leaves Kemet, she meets her half-brother Anpu/Anubis [Maani - middle-class immigrant from Kemet]

2400s: her mom tells her that they both need to reconnect w/their families, so Oraia goes back to Greece for a bit before exploring Anatolia & the Ancient Middle East (the Akkadian Empire & ___?) where she comes in contact w/some of the Mesopotamian gods 

c. 450: God leaves Heaven sometime within the century, as he did so after Gabriel did the same (Gabriel would take on Loki's identity around the time the Norse pantheon was being worshipped). Anubis is chosen to judge the human souls. Oraia is subsequently forced to work for Heaven.

late 331: sees the Hanging Gardens & the Library of Pergamum; not long after Alexander the Great (d. 323) captures Babylon, she moves back to Greece since her father’s family is busy in the Roman Republic [Artemisia Stavros - owned her own property after inheriting a bunch of money in Macedon]

— [YEAR ONE] — 

c. 200 – moves to Carthage (a part far from Greece, just in case) [Ketha - young Kemetic woman looking for family]

[146: Greece becomes the Roman province Achaea]

[272: most of the Library of Alexandria is destroyed]

c. 300: witnesses the persecution of pagans

late 300s – 400s: journeys to Avalon with the fey 

[476: Western Roman Empire falls]

[late May 542: King Arthur’s rule ends]

6 June 1646 – 2 July 1699: lives in Versailles [as Hortense Mancini]

1700s: she has adventures on the American frontier, where she lives w/varioustribes including that of the Yamani/NE Maidu people [as Olivia “Momim” (Water) Hodge]

1800s – early 1900s: takes slaves to Canada to be free; secretly helps the Union [Oriana Haven - French widow in Spanish Louisiana]

1917 – 11 Nov 1918: serves as translator, then later she joins the Armed Forces as a war nurse during WWI [as Evelyn Wood]

20s – 30s: is a flapper/part-time medium on the East Coast; she fucks a demon

1 Sept 1939 – 2 Sept 1945: helps Jews escape Eastern Europe during WWII

60s: protests the Vietnam War & fights for Civil Rights [as Kiana Marshall]

70s – 80s: DJ’d in South America [as Maya Selena Analicia aka Ana Licia]

00s – present: works as an art dealer/part-time exorcist & repatriator [as Artemisia Stavros]

Temperament: naive & adventurous (birth - post 400s); hot-tempered & rebellious (500s - 1800s); social & mature (sometime in the 1800s - present day)

Languages Learned (in order, by 2005 CE): 

inherited ability to speak to aquatic & equine creatures & birds of prey

unnamed Proto-Greek Indo-European language aka Pelasgian

conversational Kemetic/Ancient Egyptian

language spoken by the Kerma (present-day Sudan)

language spoken by the Minoans (present-day Crete)

Hittite

Luwian

Attic/Classical Greek

Faespeak (very similar to Archaic Irish aka Proto-Goidelic)

conversational Italian

some Latin

(European) French

Maidu

English

some French Creole

some German

Portuguese

some Spanish 

Modern Greek + French