#black butler theory

[w3irdlady]

This sucks ass but this is the only thing I can offer to the black butler community

(proshippers FUCK OFF)

[aquarianights]

like in my mind claudia phantomhive x undertaker (cedric k ros) are THE love story of the century, I've deluded myself so bad over the last 6 years now if they turn out to NOT be canon it's gonna be soooo awkward....

[dqrkncss666]

Welcome to another Theory Show with Dora on crack.

Today we will talk about this:

So.

WHERE IS FRANCIS?!

As we can see we have Claudia P. and Cedric K. Ros- something, they have done the deed and created Vincent.... Where is FRANCIS?!

As we see on the family tree, again, Vincent continues to marry Rachel and have the Phantomhive twins. WHERE IS FRANCIS?!

Shouldn't she have been on Vincent's left?

Now, if we go with the theory that Cedric is, in fact, the Undertaker then this could be an error Yana made or, over here, the German shinigamis are following ONLY O/Ciel's bloodline going up to his father and then going up to his grandmother. Which is a logical explanation as to why Francis is not there. This is the best scenario and the one I like to believe.

But what if Undertaker is not actually Cedric and Francis not being on there is on purpose? What if Claudia wasn't faithful to her legal husband Cedric and had an affair with the Undertaker creating an illegitimate daughter?

Without having done any research, I personally believe that this would explain why Francis married out of the Phantomhive family so quickly. She had no title and her position and the family's reputation were on the verge of scandal. Her marrying Alexis Midford and becoming a Marquisses would not allow any time for anyone to question her legitimacy and of course, keeping the family name clean.

Could her wedding with Alexis have been merely to cover up her mother's doing? Maybe Claudia betrothed her to Alexis when Francis was a baby so she could be sure her daughter would never face any problems with her title and fortune being on the verge.

But then we come over to Vincent, does he know his sister is his half-sister?

Over to the Undertaker now, if this theory is true why is he protecting the Phantomhives only and not the Midfords as well? Did he protect them "off-camera" as we say, in the Campania? Will we see it in a flashback?

Does the British Shinigami dispatch have knowledge of this family tree? Why have we never seen anyone speaking of it? They clearly don't know anything.

DOES FRANCIS KNOW?! Is that why every time she sees the Undertaker her face changes? Does she hate him? Perhaps she thinks he is the one who ruined the Phantomhive family and her future.

If this theory is true, are we gonna have a chapter (when Yana finally comes back from her hiatus because she clearly wrote herself into a wall) of Francis arguing with the Undertaker about him ruining her family and making her an illegitimate daughter with no title and no fortune? Him trying to comfort his daughter and calm her anger down and finally seeing those two be kind to one another?

But this is merely a theory after I got crack. We will see. :>

[funtomfiction]

Kuroshitsuji Manga Spoiler

The new chapter Cover ahhhhhhh

The way Doll covers Snakes eyes, while she looks directly at the viewer...

Like she doesn't want him to see the actually truth, that the Circus did horrible things? While she knew what happened, why they died, why the Phantomhive servants killed them. While we, as the Reader, and Finnian can't do anything. Especially since Finnian probably don't knew fully what happend. We all can just wait, and see what Snake is going to do, how he will decide...

I really want to look more into detail, but really don't have the time, probably tomorrow, but yeah this where my first thoughts on the new chapter cover.

[blackbutlerfandomnerddomain]

Theory: Joker and Beast killed Doll's parents and Doll was born into a noble family

Okay yeah this was a weird thing to start with but I'll explain! Starters I mentioned this in a PM to @midnight-in-town about this theory but decided to finally write about it, this is a theory/headcanon I personally have you are free to not enjoy it or believe it cause this is my mind

So in Book of Circus episode 5-6 (I forget the actual number) when Sebastian seduces Beast is where this started. In the scene building up the two going back to Beast's tent when Sebastian said along the lines, "Why must you be with a man who only brings you pain?" and instantly it flashes to this scene which I took screenshots for this research;

This stuck with me.

Now I personally believe the additional scenes/scene changes, big or small, mean something from Yana to us. Like the added scenes of Doll and Ciel like Doll's conversation with Ciel once they got their tent for example. So in other words I don't feel like this was shown just for randoms.

Yet why do I think this scene is meant to be Joker killing Doll's parents? Cause he clearly loves her!

In the side story in the manga he tells the story of Doll's first loose tooth and how he was the one who suggested to look for work and then proceed to work for hours straight for one coin so Doll could believe the Tooth Fairy came.

He named Doll "Doll" cause to him he's precious

He clearly trusted Ciel enough to share a tent with her despite not knowing, same as Doll clearly trust him so much

Conclusion: Joker loves Doll. Probably much more than the rest of the circus group.

So this is the set up I have made up: Joker tracked down and killed Doll's biological family since compared to the others Doll went through worst. While everyone who was abandoned or wound up there was born with some sort of deformation or ailment, Doll was abused and horribly disfigured by her own family and then abandoned and she the youngest of the group so of course if they care for her they would probably kill them if they knew who they were... This could add some blackmail on Baron Kelvin on Joker. Cause Beast was right, they can easily run and if there were kids in the Workhouse they could just get them, not like Victorian orphanages had security, but Joker was very much firm to stay by Baron Kelvin most and even said "there's no turning back", maybe Baron Kelvin caught wind of the murder and promised to never tell a soul if he behaved.

Now the only evidence of this theory being the time period of the early circus years is the cloting

Joker's outfit reminds me of Joker's outfit in the official art-

But it also helps me pinpoint it takes place when Baron Kelvin went crazy-

See the ruffle collar?

The only difference is the hair, but I can argue this was still taken in early circus years.

Not to mention he looks rather... content/happy in this scene. I would assume his eyes would be wide or manic cause panic of being caught, not a soft look and a hint of a smile.

This theory alone was enough for me.

It was simple, it was easy.

Case close.

But then I looked at the background more to see why it feels... iffy...

This is when the second theory came in: Doll's backstory into weath.

First evidence, the painting:

I actually wanted to figure out if I can find the painting's possible inspiration or look alike but it's so blurry I can't even figure out what it is.

But anyways-

I did some research to see if owning a painting was a sigh of wealth then and turns out I may be right!

Okay so I can't trust the results but still-

So paintings are a lot of money, which still is a thing today, but there was art thieves in the Victorian Era so one can argue the ones in this home stole art. But I highly doubt someone was so stupid to hang their stolen piece of art up for the world to see.

Now onto the fireplace evidence-

It's rather large with even some engraving details if you enhance the image.

Okay, so in this time period there was pretty much fireplaces in every home, BUT the only those in the middle class and upper class had ones in a larger scale with some form of ornament or art on it!

Source

This became my official name in my coffin. This was the final say of this house is wealthy or middle class at best.

So then... what would this mean?

Well, I mentioned this theory with @freckledfenrir and a bit with @deadlystarchart in our PM chats before and in those logs I've mentioned (I tried to go through so if either of you lovelies can screenshot where I said this so I can add it later it'll be helpful!) a possible picture;

You see back then there were more cases of missing kids/kids who were seen and never mentioned again then we assume. Ciel and Sebastian only got wind of the circus kidnapping shit because someone noticed a pattern and Queen Victoria was sad. Hell even Scotland Yard had problems in this case too! Back then families can easily abandoned, kill, or simply hide away a child and no one could bat an eye. Especially when money is involved. (You thought the rich vs the legal system was corrupt now?) So in theory Doll was probably born with either a upper class or middle class family, but someone with lots of money. She was abused, this is sadly still canon, but sometime after burning her, her family abandoned her in the East End.

You know a crazy fact I wasn't going to know if not for this theory? Rich people actually lived in the East End!

So that means it would make it easy for the family to abandoned a poor wounded little child without suspicious people around. But to also add a tragic/fucked up layer they stayed in the area to constantly eye and maybe even mock the poor living conditions of their child.

This also gives Joker a easy access to see someone who either reminds him of Doll or maybe even see Doll react to a couple walking down the street, follow them home, remember that home, and when the night is perfectly still he alongside the rest of the circus troop, or just Beast, he broke in to make sure those people will feel the pain his precious sister felt and will never forget...

[salty-protagonist]

Who Attacked the Phantomhive Manor?

I had previously wrote about this back in 2022, but I thought I could expand on it two years later. (If anyone is interested: https://www.tumblr.com/salty-protagonist/694488877301399552/who-is-behind-the-attack-on-the-phantomhive-manor)

In essence, I thinks it’s quite possible that the Phantomhive family organized the attack. I will answer questions as bullet points so feel free to look at the ones that seem interesting. :)

Isn’t Vincent Dead?

Think about it, is anyone actually dead in this series? Grim reapers and bizarre dolls are technically dead too but they account for half of the characters. Vincent could’ve come back somehow. But I don’t think that’s the case, he probably never died in the first place.

There are some instances through different chapters that support this theory, but let’s try to focus on those that tie back to the Phantomhives.

Tanaka is loyal to the Phamtomhives. So loyal that he sided with RCiel once the child came back. Before him, his master was Vincent. Considering Sebastian met Tanaka after the attack, the words in the panels above relate to Tanaka’s own experience. This may’be been regarded as a random motivational quote only if this wasn’t Kuroshitsuji.

About the death of Sebastian the dog, I had previously said why would random criminals not kill the dog if they were just after the twins and instead go through the trouble of putting a muzzle on it. But the dog is killed later in Vincent’s bedroom. Only people OC saw in the room were the bodies of his parents and a random blond servant.

Just for the sake of mystery, I will assume that there wasn’t anyone else in the room. So someone in the room that OC did see could’ve killed the dog. 🐕

What about the servants?

Phantomhive manor had so many workers for every task before the attack as we all know, with Tanaka being the head butler. While butlers do swear loyalty to their masters in this story (Sebastian, Agni, etc.) others have a higher possibility of betraying their master.

The other servants could‘be been working for a family member other than Vincent. This is quite a reach considering there isn’t much to know about the generation before Vincent. However, the servants did say that they had a surprise for the kids.

I think that because Tanaka is the one who mentioned the surprise, he was the one servants informed of about wanting to create a specific circumstance for the surprise which is just the attack. Because Vincent trusts Tanaka, he wouldn’t see it as a threat, which may not have been the case if it was mentioned by another servant. I’m not saying Vincent didn’t know about the “surprise” beforehand, but he may’ enjoy been deceived in about the details.

The blond guy from the previous question could’ve pretended to be dead after killing Sebastian. The blood splatters don’t match any heavy injury on his body.

Weren’t we shown what happened in the flashbacks?

Technically, but only from OC’s point of view. Before Ciels were revealed to be twins, all the childhood flashbacks were from his perspective too. So Yana Toboso was able to hide such a crucial information while leaving clues behind for the readers. RC being the first to go out to explore on 14 December without the readers not seeing anything, weird sounds and OC blacking out during transportation are all gaps in the readers (and OC’s) knowledge.

For transportation, considering the children were worth a lot more when they’re together, why did the kidnappers separate them and risk something happening to one? Why did RC reach the selling location before OC instead of bringing them together and saving on costs. And why weren’t RC’s tied?

They tied up OC’s legs while he was unconscious. Then they put him in a locked suitcase in a locked car with two kidnappers who were probably armed. Why wasn’t the same measures applied to RC.

Now, I’m not saying a 10 year old child was the one who coordinated the attack, but he may’ve more information that would make him not run away since he is “the true heir.”

Is twin Ciel really that suspicious?

Yes. Let’s focus on the ring. Why didn’t the kidnappers take it? They should’ve searched the kids to see if they have any goods or weapons on them which would risk the sale. Phantomhive ring is bigger compared to others as well.

This is a reach but it may’ve been a tracking device. In general, I don’t refer to Green/Emerald Witch Arc much in my posts. But, they discovered tracking devices within protection amulets back then. It can be an indirect hint to this.

For those who may think why Sebastian didn’t notice anything, it’s because he doesn’t have the detection skills for a tracking device. He was surprised to learn the truth about the amulets in Germany too.

This would also explain how RC was able to follow OC and his demon with Undertaker anywhere they went. RC reappearance was very well coordinated too. He went to the house in London because he knew OC wasn’t there. Agni and Some may’ve been unexpected variables or UT knew they were there before sending RC. Additionally, RC was able to appear just as OC entered the mansion and the police came in really timely manner. All of these suggest that there could’ve indeed been a tracking device.

No normal child would examine his father’s corpse for jewelry upon first impression. The ring was probably given to RC by someone else. But he instructed to tell OC otherwise.

Who attacked the Phantomhive Manor?

I think the real culprit was Claudia or any family member who had the blood of Phantomhive. Maybe they’re yearning for immortality and require quality material for UT’s research. Maybe they’re aggrevated regarding something that happened in Germany, or with Queen Victoria. But it’s likely a Phantomhive (other than RC) attacked the manor with the help of servants, UT and possible outside help.

The scene from when twins were even younger could even be a foreshadowing to the attack. OC kept waiting for revenge and to find the culprits, but it was someone he knew and trusted in reality.

I’m taking this story as evidence because similar things have happened in the story. One example I liked for direct foreshadowing for the twin theory is Maurice Cole (bad guy, make-up dude, Weston academy) who said he did those bad things because he felt insignificant in his brother’s shadow.

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I referred back to a lot of older chapters so many of these may be popular ideas that I’m not aware of. Thank you for reading this very long post.

[thephantomhivefuckboi]

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Note: This post contains spoilers from Black Butler season II. If you haven't watched it yet, or want to, please don't look at this post because I really don't wish to spoil it for you at all.~

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Okay, so I just had a bit of a short realization just now...

So, you remember this scene from Black Butler Season II where Ciel had slapped Claude, right?

And we also can't forget the look on Claude's face when it had happened

(Lol this image had me dying the first time I saw it)

But I have a bit of a small theory...What if the reason for why Claude made this facial expression wasn't just because the slap hurt, but because it reminded him of Alois slapping him?

Not to mention that as seen within Episode 8 of Season II, Alois is seen slapping Claude within a flashback of his before Claude kills him, and he appears to look calm about it (although I'm sure deep down he wanted to suplex Alois right after it happened lol) But what do you guys think?

[lilacwriter07]

This thought just crossed my mind, but ...

What if Claudia and Undertaker were not lovers, I mean I could be wrong about it and it's not bc I want my wife to be a fruity old man (💖)

What if .. He was her daddy ???

[wallflower-studies]

Not sure if this is a popular idea or not, but is anyone else sure that the Phantomhives (and by that I mean mostly Vincent) kinda had it coming with the massacre and the fire?

As in, that itself was an act of revenge that is somewhat equally as sympathetic as Ciel's own quest. It would be the thing that makes the most sense with the themes of the manga, tbh, particularly the circus arc and Doll and her evil "father".

[sinceyousawvienna]

love the theory that Sebastian is a fallen angel, likely Michael

[chasiufan]

by your side

[azuresins]

Sometimes I think there's a little bit of confusion as to why the Phantomhive family and whoever holds the watchdog position in particular, is referred to as "The Aristocrats of Evil." It's stated the position is "Evil" because their job isn't just to "solve dark cases and do whatever the current king/queen says" even if that comes with the job. The reason the job was created was to COVER UP the royal family's scandals, crimes and shortcomings and to protect the royal family's reputation... by any means necessary.

That's why it's considered evil. ...The Phantomhives can't exactly opt out of this. It's a birthright. They inherited this. Generations of Phantomhives didn't exactly have the ability to "decide" it was "Do this, or the family loses its status, money, and estate." No Phantomhive who inherited this had an actual choice in this matter that we know of so far, until there was Our!Ciel. He willingly chose it, or at least he felt he willingly chose it. Which is why the appearance of The Fenian Cycle and any hint of Vincent being disloyal to "English Tradition" is such a big deal and more people should be paying attention. I think most people agree John Brown and the Queen are the enemy. It's the why. I firmly believe Vincent was planning on betraying the Queen or at the very least someone was suspecting it of him, I am sure, and Ireland's plight and the way Queen Victoria was treating common people bothered him and likely bothered Rachel as well. I don't think they were being punished for being 'evil'... I think they were punished for the opposite, and being seen as a threat. Is it that hard to believe at some point a Phantomhive might have dared to say "I actually don't want to DO this anymore and I want something better for my kids?" I'll die on this hill.

[grimmcheems]

More Bb ❤️‍🩹😔🔪

I just now managed to finish this because I kept goofing during the rendering process 😔 I'm gonna be real, I legitimately thought Alois was gonna be canonized in the public school arc when Ciel confronted Maurice for whatever reason. Just my regular delulu thoughts. Don't ask why, ik he's not even a canon character but I'm just slow y'all.

I also had a phase where I was SO CONVINCED (fighting the air rn) Ciel and Alois were siblings, ik it doesn't make sense but 14yr old me was knee deep in theorizing when I watched his season and I was so certain that these two were actually each others siblings but they grew in such ways that they did not recognize each other and it kept my angst heart fed. Idk but I had an obsession with this theory and I think I was the only one with this specific theory lmao. Might add more onto this as an Au where Alois was actually real 😭i loved him so much and I never understood the hate towards him, leave my baby alone. I also had the biggest crush on Claude but we don't talk about that🗿👹

Anyways. I originally wanted to draw Clayton and Bluewer treating Ciel like a precious little brother but ended up with this instead oop.🚶🏽‍♀️

[funtomfiction]

Kuroshitsuji Manga Spoiler THEORY Time:

I only have the cover so far, but let's take a look at the panels.

To make the whole thing logical and orderly I will start with the lower one.

Finnian

It shows Finnian, who holds the Fenian cycle book in his hands. About the meaning of the book we already know the following.

The twins were read it as children by Vincent.

Finnian was named Fenian by Ciel.

It appears in the F.O.L. orphanage.

Ciel is applied by the viewer and is opposite Finnian. Sebastian is behind Finnian and watches what happens. Finnian sees these two as his saviors, the once that made him into who he is now.

Finnian is generally very loyal to Ciel and protective.

Snake

Snake we see emaciated, dirty with long fingernails, covered only with a blanket and surrounded by his snakes. They all look up at Doll, who reaches out her hand to Snake. Like Ciel, she is turned away from the viewer.

Through these parallels, Doll is given the same meaning for Snake as Ciel has for Finnian, and also his snakes.

So what if...

...this is a clue. We already know how loyal Finnian is to Ciel, so is this an indication that Finnian has a similar relationship to Doll and will therefore turn against our Ciel to be on Doll's side?

Another similarity between the characters is the connection with book names. Finnian's name is based on Fenian cycle, and Snakes are named after famous authors in the Victorian era.

Are the two two sides of the same coin? So similar, friends, and yet will perhaps find themselves on different sides in the end, as enemies?

[blackbutlerfandomnerddomain]

Since Hannah absorb Luka’s soul, she inherited her emotions. Do you think the reason Sebastian is so caring and attentive to our ciel is because Sebastian ate r ciel’s soul ?

Boo why did you have to make me more sad!?

If this is canon than my LORD

[salty-protagonist]

Undertaker’s Shop of Mysteries

Ever since he was introduced way back in 2006 (7?), almost all of the weirdness has been shown to have ties with a bigger project. There are many items in the Undertaker workspace that seem like cluster but are actually grave additions to the series.

Here is the overlook from a chapter at the beginning of the Circus Arc:

We already know there are actually 4 people in that room (at least) with RC sleeping inside the coffin OC is sitting on. The speech bubble kind of blocks it but you can see the weapons (I don’t know what they are called) UT uses in Book of Atlantic stored on the right side to the shelf behind UT. Other than these, I think there are three items that can be additions to the plot.

The coffin behind Sebastian that is covered with a cloth. At first only seems normal that there would be a coffin there, but that coffin -just like RC’s- have been there since the start of the story. During the Jack the Ripper investigation, Madam Red, Lau, Grell, Sebastian and OC go to Undertaker to learn about the victims. While OC sits in the coffin that has RC inside, Grell and Madam Red choose to sit on a coffin that is placed around the same location and has a cloth covering it.

Also, the coffins that keep reappearing all seem dirty/older. If RC’s coffin, which appears useless this early in the story looks used. Then there is a chance that the clothed coffin could be used to store an important character presumed dead too.

The second is the coffin behind Undertaker. When UT is introduced to the series, his first action is coming out of there (Jack the Ripper Chapter).

Maybe it’s just his bed since he is a very eccentric character, or like a break room of some sorts. But I feel like he had made that coffin for somebody before the bizarre doll experiments began, and later retrieved it as a memorabilia of some sort.

Maybe Claudia? Maybe Vincent? I don’t think any concrete info can be obtained about the person further than this.

The coffin is probably not used for corpse preservation for bizarre dolls like RC since there are cushions inside and no tanks like there is in RC coffin.

The reason why I think it’s not UT’s coffin in which he was buried as human is because there have been no mention of grim reapers interacting with their human self so far. The design is similar to the ones UT uses for funerals and experimental reasons too so it’s more likely that he made it.

The last object that I believe is important is this weird glass (?) jar of a heart. It’s located under the speech bubble (first image) next to the shelf that is blocked by the speech bubble.

It’s really weird to see an object that is mostly used in today’s sci-if movies in the office of an 19th century Undertaker.

Conservation of human body parts is not a new practice as you all may know. What’s different is the technology. Since Undertaker is a grim reaper, he does have access to technology that is centuries ahead (the death cythes as example). The liquid could be the same one that RC was kept in. It wouldn’t be weird to see organs floating in a glass jar at an Undertaker too. That’s probably why Sebastian didn’t notice it specifically.

To be honest, I’m not sure if that is exactly a heart. But I will assume it is and all the ideas will continue on from there. By know, we know that when bizarre dolls are deprived of blood in a way their blood vessels start showing. Maybe the reason why is that they don’t have hearts. All the nerve impulse is generated from the brain so it makes sense that they can continue moving until their heads are destroyed. If they don’t have working hearts than the blood circulation could be controlled by a device UT installed (grim reaper technology) or while they are given blood, used blood can be removed in the process. This may also be why they can’t go for long times without being hooked up to machines.

I’m currently re-binging the series, will reblog when there’s additional info. Thank you for reading :)