#Gerald Robotnik has his silly moments here and there

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I think Gerald Robotnik is the perfect example of how sympathetic doesn't mean forgivable and I havent seen a single person talk about it

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Ok, I just saw Sonic 3, and I'm gonna talk about it under a Keep Reading, so spoilers ahead on the movie and my thoughts

I'm still a little insane off the adrenaline, so my thoughts may change later, but this is what I think fresh off the experience.

It was REALLY GOOD, but I'm not going to lie to myself and say that it was incredible and met all the criteria. I'm gonna get the negative-ish out of the way first, then I'll rave, okay? Okay. Gerald Robotnik also played by Jim Carrey basically fell into the trap I was worried about, in that he was kind of just another Eggman in a slightly different coat of paint. The two Robotniks are very different flavors of insane at the point in which we meet them in SA2, so, while I hoped Jim Carrey may prove he has some range as a Robotnik, I was a bit let down, but not entirely surprised. He wasn't BAD, per se, but he sort of shone a spotlight on how I'm not the hugest Jim Carrey Eggman fan anyways. That's my opinion, of course; I know some people really like Jim Carrey as Eggman, and again, he's not bad.

Also, I know we as fans were told that Shadow and Maria's story would play a big part in the movie, but...I have to say, that's the real sticking point for me with this movie, especially with Shadow Generations to compare it to. Did anyone notice that Maria's influence on Shadow was really muted? It was there, and he clearly cared about her a lot, and I did like how they showed Shadow was alienated from the scientists and had doubts about his potentially being a monster. But Maria wasn't portrayed as sick, she didn't show any love for the Earth (probably because they changed the story and location of the lab, cuz that wasn't the ARK), and so she didn't really influence Shadow's taking care of the Earth after she was gone. Which sort of made her loss...pretty generic, in all honesty. Like, I know Maria was fridged in the canon material, but the movie actually made her feel MORE fridged in not giving her as much of a voice for Shadow to be influenced by and for Gerald to twist around and ignore.

Anyways, I think that's the negatives out of the way; let's get more positive now, shall we?

Compared to the previous movies, the dumb silly moments were actually weirdly enjoyable despite the cringe. Like, during the Eggmen's laser light show dance, I said, out loud, "I hate that I kind of like this," lol.

I was actually kind of surprised at how they subverted some of my/our expectations on how Sonic and Shadow interacted, especially near and at the end of the movie. To make Shadow be the one to Sort Of talk Sonic down, and then Sonic talk Shadow down, and then have Sonic be the one to lose his Super form and plummet to Earth, while still having Shadow "die" in the end...lots of twists and turns there! I did like their little quiet moment on the moon, admittedly. I knew it would probably happen, cuz Shadow needed to switch sides, and Sonic was gonna be the one to do it with the absence of the girls, but it was still nice.

The "Talk about a low budget flight" moment TOOK ME THE FUCK OUT??? Like, I did not expect them to go full reference at that moment, but OF COURSE SONIC WOULD SAY THAT THERE.

ALSO, I EXPECTED AN ORCHESTRAL REMASTER OF LIVE AND LEARN, BUT I DID NOT EXPECT THE ORIGINAL CRUSH 40 MIX TO PLAY AT FIRST, LIKE HOLY SHIT???? LMAO THAT WAS KIND OF AWESOME.

Anyways...now let's talk about the part where I actually screamed...which was, of course, the mid credits scene. Here's a play-by-play of how I reacted: "Oh shit, Metal Sonic! ...Hmmm...I'm a little disappointed, not gonna lie, since that's technically another "guy" character, and I was hoping for at least Amy...wait...wait a minute, weren't Amy and Metal Sonic introduced in the same game? wAIT-" *Amy appears, busting up the Metals with her Piko Piko Hammer* "YES!!!" But yeah, like, holy shit, fears of it being a trilogy averted! Also, since the end-credits scene confirmed Shadow didn't die, and is in a different locale than everyone else...and Amy Rose is introduced next movie...that means there's a VERY real possibility that Rouge is coming along too!!! YAY!!! Anyways, I rate the movie an 8/10 as a Sonic fan (different rating if it was for being a movie). Better than the previous two, which were a 6/10 and a 7/10 respectively. Not exactly what we all hoped for out of a Shadow story, but not bad in any ways, just sort of diluted compared to the source material.

[briceterry]

It's time for my autistic ass to gush about the new Sonic the hedgehog 3 (2024) movie trailer!!!

Our precious blue boi is still precious as ever, I know that this is gonna turn off some fans because Sonic Adventure 2 is a dark story, but Sonic in the mainline games can still be silly and precious.

We got another recreation scene of the end credits for Sonic the hedgehog 2 (2022) of Shadows eyes opening, which looks way more better.

Here we have a full look at shadow and... MARIA!?! The. Moment in the trailer is pretty wholesome, and I'll probably seen some fan artists drawing this scene. (If only if we got a moment of Maria dying like you sick fricks wanted)

Our precious bois are back and they're ready to kick some edgy ass!!!!

I can tell right now, Movie Shadow is gonna be a Tumblr Sexyman someday. The voice, I'm a little mixed about it. But hey, We might get a "Whoa..." Coming out of Shadow's mouth.

Also I accidentally paused which resulted in Sonic's face looking like this. I love it.

And in the trailer, Robotnik appears happily slapping his belly, I was hoping that Movie Robotnik was gonna get a fat suit so he can have more Eggman features. He also still has the MST3K banter with Agent Stone.

Another screenshot of Shadow. (I swear this movie is gonna have some excellent screenshots!!!)

AND THEN HE BE PULLING AN AKIRA!!!! Where's my Tumblr post? Hang on.

There we go! In the Tumblr post about the rumors of Keanu Reeves as Shadow, I wanted him to pull an Akira... And he's doing it!

And then last in the trailer we have...

GERALD ROBOTNIK!?! He gives his son a hug at the end of the trailer, it's cute, aside from the fact that it's robotnik, who only loves robots (and to some extent, Agent Stone)

Wow... I can't wait for this movie, after seeing the trailer, I was freaking out!!! It was so good! Today has been a good day. Sonic 3 movie trailer and Pizza Tower comes to the switch!

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Sonic Movie Universe prediction: Robotnik is an orphan because of GUN

I think what was supposed to be, tonally, a silly throwaway line is actually winding up to punch us in the face later.

Bear with me.

I barely remember the first movie since it was so long since I watched it, but aside from one, maybe two, of the comic universes, this line is the first time we have ever gotten anything at all about Ivo Robotnik's personal backstory. And it's that he's an orphan. In a story series that explicitly sets him up with a human identity- none of that Eggman stuff as his identity, not even a whisper of the name until it's a silly insult Sonic throws out later- this movie bothers to give him a Normal Human Society Firstname Lastname and a job.

(Okay, so Robotnik isn't exactly a normal human surname. But it's established canon that is the family name so. Suspension of disbelief.)

A series that we know will later delve, at least a little, into the story of Professor Gerald Robotnik WHO IVO APPARENTLY, ACTUALLY, DEFINITELY KNEW IN THIS CONTINUITY, AS HE HAS A SPECIFIC GRANDPA NAME FOR HIM AND NEARLY CRIES.

The original line was a ridiculous rebuttal to Tom during the fight in the house during the first movie. "Rub that in my orphan face," he says in response to Tom sharing a detail of his childhood during Silly Action Scene Banter. While there is a sort of tension there since the movie universe makes no bones about Sonic being an actual child and he is confirmed to be an alien, thus making the danger present of government capture and experimentation very real and kind of horrific, the scene as it plays out isn't overly out of character for something you'd expect in a Sonic movie. And although Robotnik is the threat here, he plays a large part in also keeping the scene lighthearted because of how utterly he fails to respond like a normal human being to literally anything. The comment about being an orphan at least makes sense based on what Tom said, but it's still weirdly personal and, therefore, kind of inappropriate to say. Like dude back up you're trying to kill a child why are you sharing your trauma with me that's uncomfortable.

Which brings me to the obvious point of that line- it's not just to make the scene funny, it's to show us how set apart from other humans Robotnik is. This is a man who has no idea how to interact with anyone, like, absolutely nobody, and every single scene he's in reminds us of this, including this one.

Now that the third movie has explicitly drawn a line between Shadow's backstory and themes of pain and loss, and we see Gerald Robotnik weeping over what I think is Maria's body in the aftermath of the murder (jesus that's dark) I have to connect a few dots of my own.

The first movie had another piece of foreshadowing they threw at us, this one way more obvious: at the end of the first movie, a government agent is sent to speak with the Wachowski couple. He tells them that Ivo Robotnik has been thoroughly erased from existence. As far as any documentation of him ever existing on Planet Earth, there is none. He hasn't merely disappeared- it's like he never was.

If they did this to Ivo after this catastrophe it's not a stretch to think they did the same with Professor Gerald. Hell, I thought that after movie number one. "That has to come up later- we have a character the government explicitly turns on in this series. Like, as a major plot point. The defining moment in several characters' stories. No way does their ability to erase someone not come up later."

But now I think they went a step further.

They've already murdered a little girl and broken an old man in their efforts to contain the genius they were frightened of.

Personally, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Ivo Robotnik, very young himself at the time most likely, is an orphan because GUN decided to eradicate the entire family line in an effort to prevent anyone like Gerald Robotnik from ever existing again.

Except. The son survived. Well shit. Uh. Stick him in an orphanage and keep an eye on him, I guess.

And where does he end up as a adult? A branch of the government. Where they can keep an eye on him.

(More than that, if they did erase Gerald, Ivo clearly remembers him... so Ivo may have joined them specifically to look for traces of the grandfather he knows existed and who doesn't seem to have any records proving that whatsoever. But that's Ivo's motivations and we're talking about GUN's, so, moving on.)

It's likely based on his sheer intellect, assuming Ivo wasn't embellishing too heavily, that he didn't have to grow for very long before that brilliance was obvious. Though the government's decision to let him live was strategic, weighing the gamble of assassination with the gamble of him inheriting the genius and deciding that risking him having the same genius as his grandfather was better than trying to kill him at this point, the gambit ultimately failed. Even though he was more than likely still only a child, they'd let him live too long. In just a few short years he quickly became a very real threat to the government- as in, if given a reason, he could be a very real threat. And nothing Ivo does is ever subtle or quiet, so his genius was probably very loud, and there was likely lots of attention, making an assassination impossible, because if there would be too many questions before, there would be an insurmountable amount if he died or disappeared now.

So, since they couldn't kill him, they continued to keep an eye on him and took him on at the government when he was old enough with the intention of keeping their enemies closer. Except all of their caution still wasn't enough and he went rogue the first time he was presented with the opportunity to grab at power they didn't already have, power capable of things beyond their wildest imaginations- a monster of their own making.

Ivo, who never asked for what happened to him, very likely a victim of circumstances he had no hope of ever controlling, who responded to this trauma by making his choice that power mattered more than anything- more than morals, more than hurting people who are just like he was once. That shaping his own world after all the horrors he planned to do in pursuit of that may finally, finally "be enough."

(Be enough for what, exactly, Ivo. You never did explain that. "Who knows? Maybe that will be enough." Elaborate.)

Whether he knew the truth about why he had suffered or not, Robotnik made his choices. He stood at that crossroads that demanded he make a choice about what kind of person he was going to be in the face of all the pain and loss, and he made his choice. This movie is about Shadow making his.

If this movie really wants to beat us all to death it won't just draw comparisons between Sonic and Shadow, but Shadow and Ivo Robotnik.

(If this movie wants to exorcize our souls after we're dead, if it intends to be a trilogy and not make more movies in following the original vision for Sonic Adventure 2, it'll place Ivo at a new crossroads, and this time, he'll make a different choice.)

(Especially since Professor Gerald, in a much worse state of madness and malice than Ivo, who the movie is setting up specifically as someone Ivo loves, admires, and almost certainly misses, probably won't.)

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saw Sonic 3 yesterday, unorganized thoughts under the cut

It’s very interesting to me what parts of Shadow’s backstory were completely changed for the sake of general audiences, most notably being that the GUN base that they lived in was on Earth and the Arc exists only as the Eclipse Canon and not as a space station. Maria has changed to be a perfectly healthy girl, which removes that guilt that the games Shadow has about being what is meant to cure her.

Shadow himself is now just an alien they found and studied instead of a creation of Gerald. This is what happens when you establish your Sonic game characters as aliens instead of an established species. It’s fine, it sets up the Black Arms well, if they ever want to go down that path. But it does kind of remove his status completely as the Ultimate Lifeform, and his inhibitor rings don’t have an explanation given with this context.

The thing that bothered me from the moment I saw it was the big change to Maria’s death. Instead of being shot down ruthlessly by a GUN agent, instead we have the One Good Agent trying to stop them because I swear guys the government isn’t all bad, see he wants to help. So the OGA shoves the shooter and his laser gun, not bullets, lasers, shoots a container of chaos energy which blasts open and kills Maria only and not the old man next to her. The visual of an innocent little girl getting shot with a real bullet is critical to Shadow’s heartache, this feels a bit like they nerfed it for the sake of their rating, something the original game was not scared to do. The games have never shown a bullet wound, they just imply things, the movies do not have the teeth for even that.

Gerald being alive is also something I have thoughts about. In a time in which game Gerald has more depth than ever before, movie Gerald feels very flat. He’s here for Jim Carey twin shenanigans, which I guess makes sense for a version of Robotnik played by Jim Carey, but that’s never been my favorite casting choice so whatever. Gerald being alive plays two roles, 1. to simplify Shadow’s motivation, and 2. to be comic relief and motivation for Eggman.

In 1 he works well, the original version features Gerald remotely altering Shadow’s memories, something that has never fully made sense especially with him being in custody at the time. Here we have him just as a Very Old Man, which makes it possible for him to feed Shadow his poison directly, making it harder for him to defect because he’s got this trauma bond to Gerald. Although I would have liked to see Gerald interact with Maria a bit, we never see their relationship, even just him watching the kids’ fun fondly would be nice. (Side note the kids montage means everything to me.)

For 2. we’re going to talk about Gerald as motivation first, giving Eggman family that understands him deeply is very very good for this version of the character, even if I personally am not a huge Jim Carey person. It’s especially good because it nets us such a gutting line, “You’re nothing like Maria.” In the games we heard via his logs that Eggman was compared to Maria as a kid, but here with the only family he’s ever had rejecting him with a direct comparison to family he’s never known as being not good enough, it’s devastating. Good angst right there.

Now as comic relief Gerald is very Jim Carey, it is fully a twin movie to me with their goofs. Very much not how I think Gerald is but once again fits as a relative of this version of Eggman. The VR montage was pretty good gotta say. I like the belt stand in, it is silly. I do feel like Gerald being such a perfect reflection of Eggman down to the gloves is a bit off to me, but it’s ignorable, and the white Eggman suit does look very good so we’ll let it slide.

Now Eggman, he is at his most canon appearance wise here, even if he doesn’t get The Outfit until later on. I’m particularly happy he’s adopted the Eggman logo, it is just so good, I love it. The Eggmanland reference is nice, I appreciate it, and Stone and Eggman are at their gayest here, with an admittance on both sides of caring about each other. Eggman’s sacrifice is so so good, they gave him the coolest death ever, and it is a very good way to send off the character, “If I can’t rule the world I might as well save it.” Even if the portable black holes make me unreasonably angry logistics wise the visual was beautiful and well appreciated for this one.

The use of Tom and Maria as parallels for Sonic and Shadow is incredibly smart. Going in the majority of people were expecting that Amy Rose turn around speech to be given to another character, instead they wrote in a parallel arc for the main character to go on to give him a deeper understanding of Shadow. He chooses to let go of his revenge, showing Shadow another way with more than just words or a reminder of his real memories. In this version Shadow has his memories of Maria untouched, the pain is the only thing making him do this, not a final wish. Sonic has that reflection, that understanding in the mourning of his mother, he’s seen the bad and the good of the world and helps Shadow through. This is what Sonic is at his core, someone who helps others through. This is Sonic the Hedgehog at his best and I am here for it.

This movie is visually beautiful, the framing of shots and composition is a joy and my favorite moment in the entire movie to just look at is Sonic and Shadow on the moon watching the sunrise. Symbolically it’s beautiful, visually it’s beautiful. Very good shot and very good scene. I love everything being done with the super forms, the care taken to make them look powerful is palpable in the way the fur ripples and glows. The super fight scenes are so anime and the fading of their power feels correct and not too video gamey or arbitrary.

Everything about the climax of the movie is so so good to me. The super forms catching the laser, the teamwork to turn it, the moon getting hit. And of course Eggman and Shadow’s sacrifice which felt very earned. And Knuckles, Knuckles’ save on his brothers is so good and he’s so good and funny here and I love him so so much. These characters are a delight interacting among themselves and I am so here for it. They are brothers and it shows.

The Wachowski family is a good one, and I love them.

Every moment Shadow was onscreen is a delight.

And now we get to the after credits.

AMY ROSE MY BELOVED BABY GIRL AND METAL MY LOVE.

I love the uncanny way that Metal moves, I love his subtle creepiness, this is going to be incredible I just know it. I know in my heart of hearts that there will be small horror elements incorporated into Metal’s scenes because everything about him is uncanny and wrong in a way that I love. It’s an interesting choice to have multiple Metals that has me intrigued. I imagine that his introduction will either be an Eggman contingency or Stone taking up where Eggman left off. Either way Metal will likely have a mind of his own.

I am so so curious if this is going for a Sonic CD or Sonic Heroes type of story, that being how aware is Metal and how in control is he? In Heroes he pretends to be Eggman, will something similar happen here? We’ll see.

And then of course we have the beautiful Amy Rose who looks so so so cute and good and her hammer is here and accurate and I love her so so much and am so excited for her.

I’m really curious what they’re going to do character wise for her relationship with Sonic, because I imagine that Sega is still trying to steer clear of Amy being the clingy person she was in the two thousands with their recent characterization of her and redoing the cutscenes on Generations. But you can’t just cut out her crush entirely because that is very much what she is known for by general audiences. Either way I imagine that this Sonic is very much the type to claim cooties and run, and I feel like they would resolve any conflict caused by something unrequited by the end of her first movie. But we’ll see!

[michdoodles]

mmk, so my thoughts on Sonic movie 3

I very much enjoyed myself watching this movie although I did find that the jokes were pretty darn corny but I knew they would be corny heading in and I still laughed at them so corny but funny. Jim Carrey had no right having so much chemistry with himself in a silly goofy dance scene no less. It was annoying watching eggman/Robotnik call Gerald anything but grandpa like a normal person but I also cringe inside when Boom!eggman tries to use "hip" language so that's just me not liking boomers and early gen x trying to sound like stereotypical gen z teens lol (and I've personally never heard teenagers say stuff like that so come on, writers. Get off of tiktok please). Gerald as a character was also weirdly wacky in this but he was being played by Jim Carrey, I guess I shouldn't have expected anything like the game characterization lol. Speaking of characterization, Shadow's was great! I am stealing that revenge guac line. But seeing him dream with Maria and relive the ptsd of her death and the relationship they had with each other was very good, better than what Sega did to him during the 2010s (good thing I was out of the loop then). That moment where he sees Sonic's reaction to injured Tom and has the flashback to Maria... yeah. But boy still had his mind on revenge and we needed the movie to be nearly two hours long so he doesn't let that change his trajectory, yet. Rewriting his backstory so that he was not made by Gerald but discovered inside a meteorite is alright, his canon backstory in the games isn't realistic in any way so I get it, and this will likely lead up to introducing the Black Arms to the SCU.

But since I am on the subject of Shadow here, what I did not like was that they don't give you time to let it sink in that Shadow has um, "died". I say it in quotes because we saw no body but the explosion is meant to make you assume he's dead. Also, if the games didn't kill off Shadow for good, what makes you think these lighthearted comedy films for the family will? I mean, the end credit scene introduces Metal Sonic, who can only really have been made by Robotnik so I'm assuming neither he nor Shadow are really dead cuz he probably used Shadow's quills as a power source now that they're talking about Chaos energy. But anyway, instead of the movie giving you the time to realize oh wait, Shadow sacrificed himself and just let you sit on that feeling of this poor alien hedgehog who had everything taken away from him dying for the good of humanity because that's what his human sister would have wanted, Tails did an exposition and just... tells you. And then Team Sonic has their moment or whatever, it just... didn't feel quite right. Whereas in Sonic Adventure 2, you have the whole cast just being like "wow, that just happened", Sonic gifting Rouge Shadow's inhibitor ring, the image of Shadow superimposed over the earth... I get emotional thinking of that part and I haven't reached it in my own gameplay. There was like literally no time to get emotional during the movie. It's like Tails pretty much said "Shadow and eggman died" and they move on even tho Sonic was the one that had the moment with Shadow that helps turn him around, that they teamed up to save the earth, they had a BONDING MOMENT. WHY AREN'T YOU MOURNING HIM MORE??? Probably just the executives butting in and saying "nooooo, don't make the kiddies cry, they're here to laugh and make us money enjoy themselves with silly talking superpowered animals!" They did Shadow so much good for his characterization in this movie and then just sweep him under the rug like that? Nawwwwr

I have more thoughts on the movie but I ranted enough lol. Still think it was worth going to the theater for, and like I said, it was a fun watch and I liked it. Just kinda mad with how they ended things with Shadow... for now. And I was quite excited to see them introduce both Metal and Amy, yay! Am I excited for Sonic movie 4? Not really, as this is starting to look like the mcu and I say that as someone that was a big fan of the mcu back in the day and had a freaking crush on Tom Hiddleston because of it. But, I'll probably watch it anyway cuz there's no way three movies can condense the vast amount of history, stories, and characters that exist in Sonic's universe[s]. As long as they don't make another Knuckles show that focuses more on human OCs than the titular anthropomorphic character, we should be fine.

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Final Sonic 3 Predictions/Wish List

Making another list since I'm hyped for Sonic 3 and the trailer has come out since I made the last one. For the record I chose not to see the second trailer in case it shows too much, so I don't know about anything that showed up in it. Here is the list:

*Gerald is the true main antagonist of the movie. His silliness is in an act he uses to manipulate Dr. Robotnik. He actually intends to use both him and Shadow to get revenge on humanity for the death of Maria.

*Maria dies from an explosion instead of getting shot, but that explosion was no accident. The soldier that set it off knew Maria was in the blast radius but set it off anyway to try to destroy Shadow. This keeps the military responsible.

*The crux of the movie is stopping Shadow from finding all of the Chaos Emeralds, which scattered to different parts of the earth. Though Team Sonic does their best, Shadow will get them all, partly due to Robotnik betraying Sonic.

*Tom will be injured but I don't think he will die.

*Gerald intends to destroy the Earth with the Eclipse Cannon instead of conquering it. This goes against what Robotnik wanted so he sides with Sonic again. Robotnik's line of "I might as well save it..." comes after this moment.

*Robotnik, Knuckles, and Tails venture into the Cannon's Core to try to stop the Eclipse Cannon while Sonic deals with Shadow.

*Super Sonic fights Super Shadow in space for their final battle before they team up against Gerald and the Ark. I can't guess what will make Shadow realize Maria's true wish.

*Knuckles uses the Master Emerald to neutralize the Chaos Emeralds and stop the Eclipse Cannon. However Gerald has a backup plan and sets the Ark on a collision course for earth. The Biolizard will not show up. If it does I think it will be a small cameo in a montage of Gerald's past attempts at creating the Ultimate Life Form. Of course I'd love to be wrong.

*I'm thinking Gerald will die after the final battle, perhaps from the Ark exploding if Sonic and Shadow don't use Chaos Control on it. I'm hoping Dr. Robotnik doesn't meet the same fate.

*As a result of some incident with Chaos Control, Sonic, his friends, Shadow, and Robotnik end up on Sonic's home planet or somewhere else, separated from everyone on Earth. This will set up the next arc of the movies.

The teaser will be Amy or Silver. If it's Amy it will be a tease of her first meeting with Sonic, setting up movie 4 with Metal Sonic as the main antagonist. If it's Silver, it will be a follow up on Knuckles possessing the Flames of Disaster. Sadly I think Chaos and Tikal will continue to get shafted.

[therogzilla]

My Sonic movie pitch (aka mandatory bad fan fiction post)

So my Sally/Robotnik redesigns have been making he rounds lately so I figured I’d post this. I came up with the idea for a Sonic movie YEARS ago, when I never thought there would be one. It was a creative exercise. It was silly fun.

So here, enjoy my nonsense:

Sonic the Movie:

The film opens with an explanation of the Chaos Emeralds. They don’t know where they came from but they possess tremendous amounts of power. They have been sought after for millennia but most are now hidden. The explanation is given by Sally Acorn to her young ward, Miles Prower. As Sally completes her lesson, she sends Miles on his way as she goes into a shrine and we see that it houses a Chaos Emerald.

An explosion grabs Sally’s attention as she runs out to see that her village, Knothole of the Green Hill Zone, has been invaded by robots. A small ship lowers and we meet Fang the Sniper, a bounty hunter hired to gather the six Chaos Emeralds from South Island. Sally denies their existence but he reveals he already has five. Miles attempts to fight off Fang but he is captured. Sally agrees to give Fang the Emerald in exchange for Miles. They trade but Fang attempts to shot them still. But the bullet is caught by SONIC!

Sonic quickly takes out the robots and teases Fang, pointing out his real name, Nack the Weasel. Fang calls in for backup and several robots come to fight Sonic. Sally uses the distraction to try and get back the Emerald but Miles gets in the way again and Fang throws him from the hill. Sonic catches Miles and grabs Sally as they run from a several robots with rockets. Sonic hides the other two and pulls out a Ring. As the robots catch up, Sonic uses the Ring the temporarily enhance his powers, allowing him to instantly destroy the robots and go after Fang. But the effects of the Ring wear off and Fang gets away with the Chaos Emerald and several prisoners.

Sally is amazed as Sonic’s abilities. Sonic explains he’s just always been fast. Sally believes that his speed comes form Chaos Energy but she has never seen it connected to a living being before. Miles asks about the Ring. Sonic explains that it gathers energy as he runs. When it is fully charged, he can get a temporary boost of Chaos Energy.

Sally explains that they must get the Emeralds back. Sonic, at first, isn’t interested. He was just passing by when he saw the commotion and decided to help. Now that they are out of immediate danger, he will move on. Sally convinces him that, whoever is gathering the Emeralds using such force cannot be up to any good.

In the Metropolis Zone on West Side Island, Dr. Ivo Robotnik is meeting with the President. Robotnik is the head of the Electronic Global Group, a robotics company that has brought humanity into the future. He explains that his robots run on the Chaos Drives that his grandfather, Professor Gerald Robotnik designed. Ivo wants access to the rest of the Classified records that his grandfather worked on to expand his research. The President denies his request, stating that Professor Robotnik’s work was deemed too dangerous.

Robotnik returns to his base to meet with his assistant, Julian Snively. We learn although Robotnik wanted the records, what he was really after was the final Chaos Emerald that the Guardian Unit of Nations had locked up. Snively reports that, fortunately, the bounty hunter was on his way back with the other Emeralds as they speak. Robotnik smiles and says that then they will fall to plan B and tells Snively to prepare the ship

Sonic and Sally are following the trail as they go through the Marble Zone. Sonic asks why Sally is so sure that the Emeralds would be used for evil. Sally notes that this was a civilization that had worshiped Chaos, a deity connected to the Chaos Emeralds, long ago. They had attempted to gather the Emeralds in order to summon forth the being, but the Emeralds were too much to contain. A power had to be created to counteract their power, but even that was too great and it was lost to the heavens. In the end, the civilization was destroyed by their own hubris. They arrive at a long bridge connecting the islands in the Mobius Archipelago. Unbeknownst to Sonic and Sally, they are being followed by a mysterious figure.

The E.G.G. Armarda arrives back in Metropolis Zone and Fang presents Robotnik with the six Emeralds, each contained in a separate dampening device, meant to contain their power when in close proximity. Robotnik thanks Fang for his assistance and gives him his full payment. But he offers him a bonus if he assists with an experiment. Fang, greedy, agrees. Robotnik has Fang step onto a platform and tells him to relax. Before he can react, he is caught in a small chamber with a green glow above him. Robotnik explains that, some time ago, he discovered an idea to turn organic flesh into robotic parts in an attempt to stave off death due to injury or sickness. It had, unfortunately, the side effect of turning them into motionless statues. Robotnik had perfected this Robotization tech so that the robots could not only move, but would obey orders. Fang is Roboticized. Satisfied with the results, the rest of the animals Fang captured and loaded into the Roboticizer. He sends them on a shuttle to his “secret project”.

All over Metropolis Zone, Robotnik’s image appears on screens. He declares himself Dictator of a new world: a world of machines. All the robots that fill the city suddenly turn on the citizens, gathering them up to be roboticized. Military robots turn on the GUN and grab the last Emerald, bringing it to Robotnik. As they travel to his tower, Sonic arrives and takes them out. Becoming aware of the interference and that Sonic has the Emerald, Robotnik issues Priority One: Hedgehog. The robots, however, were not designed to take on something so small and fast. Robotnik, always planning ahead, falls back to Plan C. He launches a large scorpion-like robot to distract Sonic while he and Snively make a tactical retreat in the ship It looks as though the robot might be too much but suddenly, Miles arrives, spinning his two tails like a helicopter, to save Sonic from falling. Sonic, rechristening Miles as “Tails”, has him lift Sonic high so he can build enough momentum to break through the armor. Together, Sonic and Tails take out the robot. Sally chastises Tails for following but Sonic points out that Tails saved his life.

Sonic is declared a hero but many are still captured by Robotnik. Sonic says it shouldn’t matter, since they have the last Emerald. Sally reveals that the seventh isn’t the last one. That there is one more Emerald. It was the power created to counteract the seven Chaos: the Master Emerald. Its power alone is greater than that of the other Emeralds. It is kept safe, high above the Earth and guarded by the Echidna tribe that live there. Sally states that they must get to Angel Island before Robotnik is able to find the island and take the Emerald. The GUN reveal that all their planes relied on E.G.G. tech and they have no way to chase. Tails reveals that he knows how to fly a plane if they have one. GUN give them an old run down by plane that, with Sonic’s help, Tails is able to get running again.

On Angel Island, the ship lands and Robotnik emerges. He is immediately beset by a shadowy figure who insists that they are surrounded and wants to know why they are there. Robotnik, calling himself Ovi Kintobor, states that he is a scientist that has come to study the Island, amazed by its ability to float. He warns the figure that there are others probably coming too: jewel thieves who may want to loot the island. The figure thanks Robotnik and let’s him go to study. As soon as the figure is gone, Badniks emerge to begin gathering resources and hunt for the Emerald.

Sonic, Tails and Sally arrive on Angel Island via the Tornado. Sonic says he will go to scout ahead and is off before Sally can tell him to wait for her as she “knows the guardian”. As Sonic runs, he is attacked by Knuckles the Echidna. Knuckles finds the Chaos Emerald and declares Sonic the thief he was warned about. The two fight, Knuckles proving to be as strong as Sonic is fast. But his knowledge of the island gives Knuckles the upperhand until Sally and Tails catch up. Knuckles, recognizing Sally from when she came to the Island as a child to learn as part of her training to be a Guardian of the Chaos Emeralds, lets Sonic go and listens to Sally. Realizing that he has been duped, Knuckles goes after Robotnik, with Sonic and Tails hot on his heals. Sally, being left behind, waits for a moment before Sonic doubles back, grabs her and goes back after Knuckles.

The trio arrive at the Hidden Palace Zone, where Sally stops and stares at a mural. It depicts a small, golden figure, surrounded by the Seven in a ring, fighting against a large round figure with a large gem between them. She wonders quietly if, perhaps, the right person uses the Emeralds, something good could happen. She does not have time to ponder long as an explosion brings them into the Shrine of the Master Emerald, where Robotnik has already removed the Emerald and is taking it back to the ship. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Sally all attack and while they do well against the robots, Tails gets over eager and attempts an attack on Robotnik directly. He is zapped and falls unconscious. As Sonic and Sally go to tend him, Robotnik makes an escape. Sally tells Sonic to go with Knuckles after Robotnik. He is about to pull out the Ring but Sally says not yet: she thinks he should save it. She tells him that, when the time is right, to try to control the Chaos.

Sonic and Knuckles chase Robotnik through the Sky Sanctuary and onto his ship. They watch as the ship leaves the atmosphere and heads to a large, round space station. From the ship wide coms, they hear “Welcome to the Death Egg”.

Onboard the Death Egg, Sonic and Knuckles try to stealth through. They discover that the space station has been built by roboticized animals, slaves to Robotnik’s will. When the Emeralds are loaded into the reactor, the Death Egg will become a weapon capable of conquering Earth. The Nations will either surrender to Robotnik or be Roboticized. Robotnik has loaded the Emeralds into the weapons system and, to demonstrate his power, Roboticizes a small city and renames it Robotropolis. Before he can do any more damage, Sonic and Knuckles arrive and fight him and Snively. At first, Robotnik seems to have the upper hand but Sonic and Knuckles start to turn the tide. Seeing failure as an option, Snively announces he has a plan D: RUN!. Robotnik, desperate to beat the two rodents, fires Roboticizer rays at them, only to hit himself in the arm. The rays damage the Death Egg and it begins to overload. Pieces of the station fall and land on Knuckles, hurting his legs. Robotnik, admits a temporary defeat but grabs the Master Emerald and runs. Sonic helps Knuckles and tells him to get to the escape pods and run.

Alone in the core of the Death Egg, Sonic pulls out his Emerald. It is vibrating wildly. He holds it up and it begins to float. The other six Emeralds, left by Robotnik, vibrate as well despite the dampeners. The containers explode and all seven Emeralds float around Sonic. He stares at them and feels another vibration: his Ring. He pulls it out and sees it glowing like the Seven. He lets the Ring go and it floats up above him, the center of the Emeralds. In the background, there is a countdown timer before the Death Egg explodes. With moments to spare, Sonic reaches forward and grabs the Ring.

The Death Egg explodes. Knuckles sees it from the escape pod. A recovering Tails and Sally see it from Angel Island, which is slowly falling into the ocean. Robotnik and Snively, aboard their ship, watch. Robotnik examines his new robotic arm, which he covers with a sleeve. A moment later, Snively reports something on radar is coming up fast. Robotnik dismisses it as debris but Snivley states it is moving faster than the debris. They bring up the camera to see SUPER SONIC coming up fast.

Robotnik orders all weapons fired at Super Sonic but he is too powerful. Snively runs again, much to Robotnik’s annoyance. As Super Sonic tears through the ship, Robotnik grabs the Master Emerald and, using his robotic arm, uses parts from the ship to create an impromptu mech suit around his personal aircraft (the E.G.G Mobile) . Super Sonic arrives and they have a final confrontation. After a few close calls, Super Sonic is able to, at last, rest the Master Emerald from Robotnik and send him falling to Earth in his E.G.G. Mobile.

Super Sonic returns to Earth with the Master Emerald but he is finding it hard to sustain the Super form so close to the Master. Fortunately, Tails arrives on the plane with Sally and Knuckles. They return the Master Emerald to Angel Island before it sinks into the ocean. The Chaos Emeralds are rescattered and although Sonic remains a sort of vagrant, he makes a home base at Knothole.

The End

POST CREDITS: Robotnik arrives in Robotropolis, greeted by Snively and their roboticized servants. Robotnik abuses Snively for abandoning him twice but Snively reveals that, during the original attempted coup, although the military robots hadn’t gotten them the Emerald, they did get something else: Professor Gerald Robotnik’s files. Up on the main monitor, it displays “PROJECT: SHADOW”

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A Serious Version Of Sonic Movie Sequel Ideas Explained

So had to click here again and I hope well I want the title to be truthful. Basically it's my thing about what I feel sequels would be. Just okay the movie isn't even out yet but I keep thinking ahead and this is in case.

But I wanted to talk about this and it relates to my post that silly one explaining events by the characters themselves. Along with relating to that Sonic movie Reddit leak whether true or not. Mainly I want to take advantage of this now and just have these ideas.

Including with the story taking liberties I'm want to build upon some stuff. Basically here's the trilogy. Along with a extra movie.

Spoilers for the Reddit leak because it references characters just in case or other things.

The first sequel. Stories taken from Sonic The Hedgehog 3, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Heroes.

The first film and okay changed that last part text the first big text whatever. Wanted to change things up a bit and that change was a mistake I back spaced.

Yet the first film like the leak said the writers looked at Sonic stories mainly the Classic games and Sonic Adventure. The ones with the most are Sonic 1, Sonic 2, and Sonic Adventure.

The film takes place two years later. In 2021 almost left 201 but also the 30th anniversary of the Sonic franchise, 28th anniversary of Sonic CD Metal Sonic's first appearance, 20th anniversary of Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow's first appearance. Wanna say others but let's yet this over with.

Also seriously I keep thinking of that year as a sequel and in this timeline the 50 years not 6 but the many years after the Ark was raided not raised. Let me talk about this.

So it takes place after the first film where Sonic and his friends Tails, Amy, also new character Grant, along with Rouge and Madonna beat Dr. Eggman or Robotnik whatever name they use. Along with Perfect Chaos. With Sonic becoming Super Sonic.

The post credits scene is of Eggman building a big machine, looking at more manuscripts had to look on Google well YouTube at the top search had to use sonic unleashed gaia manuscripts almost forgot gaia. Including the end shows Metal Sonic being created.

Now here while he's building Metal Sonic, he also discovers about the government whether GUN or whatever are hiding something from the public relating to his grand father Gerald Robotnik. He then discovers Shadow.

Honestly knowing some Eggman fans I feel it's best to not have Eggman being tricked or whatever honestly this is different from Sonic Adventure 2.

Yet having Shadow and Metal Sonic. Also while I go with the theory GUN went after Sonic because they wanted to keep Shadow a secret. But just it's good to have both of these guys to help. Yet my silly post said people knew the difference or whatever with Metal Sonic and stuff.

Including Eggman tricks Knuckles into thinking Sonic is a bad person along with Tails and anyone else. Also Knuckles questioning why does Metal Sonic look more evil then Sonic. I've thought of this before but I guess Eggman saying to at least make him look different enough.

Including during the course of the movie while Eggman knows who Rouge is and she can't help them. Also theirs people who noticed some plotholes with her teaming up with Eggman and Shadow.

Yet during the course of the movie Shadow and Metal Sonic attack, and people thinking Metal could be Sonic until they find out it's a robot who looks like him. The people now start to think despite all of the good things Sonic has done. They were now thinking this is happening because of him. Theirs destruction that happens after battles, and people blaming Sonic that Metal Sonic was even born. They honestly want Sonic to be accounted for his actions.

Which actually at first Sonic does hear this stuff yet he understands and at times still helping. Also I don't wanna sound stupid at times doesn't listen some of them I don't wanna do that. Yet it's so much that he is actually thinking too deep into it.

Then connecting more into the first film. Mainly Sonic is met by Tikal's orb whenever he goes to some places even the old Echidna temple to go out and ease his mind. He's met by her and even Chaos in his normal form basically Chaos Zero. But after Sonic basically kicked his ass. Chaos then realized along with Tikal that the world changed. With the film introducing Chao but they aren't a big thing yet to Chaos they are. He's not angry anymore or not as much.

Was gonna write the thing about Sonic yet I wanna explain first this to connect and respect that in the games Chaos was angry for a reason. That he wasn't some random God Of Destruction and just this to be have audiences be aware of that lore.

Now the Sonic thing he talks to Tikal about the stuff of what's been going on. Also the themes and talks about scarifice. With Tikal despite everything she tried to stop. Chaos was angry and destroyed the world. So she had to make the choice of trapping herself in the Master Emerald wait....just....or just Tikal trapping herself with Chaos for thousands of years to make sure nobody was hurt.

I don't know well it seems to count. Yet basically sometimes scarifice comes in certain ways. Whether it be like that or other ways.

Shadow is basically still the same, being the Ultimate Lifeform and hating on humans and basically the world. With seeing his family and basically sister in a way Maria shot while trying to make sure he escaped. While still the same Shadow and trying to set up his supposed father's plans Gerald Robotnik's yet okay people say their some weird stuff with it such as why Chaos Emeralds always connected.

But basically the plan changes.

Metal Sonic is still the same thing. But basically as the film goes on he thinks a bit more for himself. Including of how his father Eggman treats him, and how this is basically getting him nowhere. Along with the obsession that he is the real Sonic.

Yet it's get more personal and he slowly losing it.

While it doesn't go the way of Sonic Heroes some people don't like how Eggman was trapped for most of the game.

Also theirs this theme with Shadow and Metal how they are similar. Both weapons in a way. Including with different relationships with certain families. With different goals.

Including Knuckles okay he figures out what's going with the Master Emerald being stolen. So he teams up with Sonic and friends. Including let's have half of the moon blown up still in a way.

Yet instead of some stuff. Okay just thought of this Gerald's video is released early and everyone figures out what's going on with Shadow.

Including Metal Sonic in secret studying Sonic, studying Shadow, and maybe some Chaos but basically for the Biolizard he decides to absorb it's energy or something and the others see this or just he kills it.

This is a different route instead of what Metal Sonic did in Sonic Heroes.

I'm seriously thinking wow Metal Sonic botched Shadow's and Gerald's plan to destroy the Earth yet Eggman... honestly he wants the Earth for himself.

So Sonic with Amy a bit but Sonic tries to change Shadow's mind. Including this is on Earth but Shadow basically kicks his ass in a fight. Including Shadow is not accepting that Maria died and what her final wishes were. He's choosing to ignore them because he is so enraged and just can't let go of her.

But it's until Sonic even admits that Shadow is becoming the thing he hates and even others learning of Maria never wanted this. Along with Amy protecting Sonic reminding Shadow of what Maria did for her and fully remembering his final moments of seeing her and her final wishes of giving them a chance.

While still I guess feeling angry. Shadow decides to help. But Metal Sonic is almost ready just he's Neo Metal Sonic now and he's so bent on killing Sonic and furious of how his own father has treated him and the world. He tries to kill Eggman but Sonic stops him. Including going Super Sonic. With Shadow becoming Super later.

Along with Neo Metal Sonic becoming Metal Madness and Metal Overlord. With Metal Overlord still being so powerful. The only way to defeat him is to get to his core. Since having the energy of the Biolizard in him and other things.

Sonic realizes that they need to get closer. Yet with how Metal is their is a high possibility of death. But also to Chaos Control Metal Sonic or his core basically his heart out of the area.

Realizing that this might be the only way and the world is going to be destroyed soon. With the whole reason Metal Sonic is doing this is that he wants Sonic dead. Knowing he could die, he wants to save everyone even Eggman and everyone who basically hates him. Showing who he really is. He doesn't care of what people think of him. But he's going to do what he thinks is right.

So he does that almost left dies. Even with Shadow using all four of his rings but Sonic going in first and Shadow supposedly keeping Metal Sonic at bay. With Shadow not approving of what Sonic is doing and even everyone else but Eggman just being shocked by this.

He gets close enough to Metal, gets to his core and some spear or something not Chaos Spear but something maybe of something fallen off of Metal then thought something Tails built.

Including Metal supposedly stabs Sonic in a way and Metal saying he is the real Sonic. Including as he Metal develops more he learns to talk. But Sonic replies their are no Sonic's with everyone hearing them. Yet also meaning both him and Metal are dying. With Sonic finally saying Chaos Control.

It happens and the explosion and Sonic's death screams are so loud along with Metal Sonic's too go across the world and even break some glass with everyone hearing them and watching them. Also yeah have it in the sky since Metal Overlord flies. As the explosion goes off Shadow basically falls down a visual reference to his death from Sonic Adventure 2 but just now witnessing Sonic's scarifice yet he manages to fly a bit yet is weak a bit after using all four of his rings.

Metal Overlord comes crashing down dead basically. Yet okay just put Sonic saying Chaos Control now but Sonic is nowhere is sight. No body and nothing. Just okay the spear there. The world just witnessed Sonic just had scarificed himself.

They saw him scarificing himself dying, Metal Sonic and even Eggman finally got what they want Sonic supposedly dead but gone. Yet Metal Sonic but died doing so. Along with Shadow seeing this made him realized now. Maria scarificed her life to save him. Now Sonic just had scarificed himself but it wasn't one person it was the whole world. Along with Shadow himself. With that symbolism of Maria and Sonic while different did similar things. They both died doing what they thought was the right thing and saved a life in Maria's case and in Sonic's case everyone on the planet including Shadow. Who was basically going against Sonic and hated him.

Basically in a way that ending people think of for Sonic Adventure if Sonic had died but differently in a way.

The world is in sorrow. Even cameos for the fun of it like Princess Elise and no Sonic 06 did not happen in this universe. He met her during those two years and is friends with her. Along with Chris Thorndyke who he met too and was friends with him and his family. Basically those are cameos I personally put in there showing those two while some or a lot of people don't like them. Wanted to show them how they would feel at something like this and not stereotypes of them because I'm okay with them and I guess like them. Not the biggest fan okay basically oh head be nice it's a nice little cameo for people who like them and I wanted to treat them with respect.

Along with a cameo building Buddy/Gadget/Rookie from Sonic Forces before the events of that game happened and him reacting to these events too.

They built a memorial for Sonic and even a statue, the world mourns for Sonic's death, while Eggman would of wanting to kill Sonic himself. For the first time in his life. He is basically shocked by an action like this and confused. Because he wants to retain his douchey self and not care.

Including after witnessing that. Shadow now wants to now help the world. But not just by Maria's promise yet seeing first hand what someone like Sonic would do.

Basically now remembered thinking he failed Sonic is life but he won't fail him in death. Including even talking to his friends with Amy there too thinking he was the one who killed Sonic and telling them he's not asking them to forgive him. With Amy and the others being confused by this emotion. That Shadow actually blames himself for Sonic's death.

But the post credits scene or whatever is of showing Blaze seeing a dimenison portal being opened and her being concerned.

Just thought of this and almost forgot or just I remember and realized this is going to be long.

Sonic Mania Movie

Basically a movie adaptation of Sonic Mania I guess the next year 2022 with the third movie coming out later. Still thinking at times a Team Chaotix movie and Shadow movie. Maybe a Team Chaotix movie before the first sequel and oh Knuckles but no it's Team Chaotix still just new ideas.

2nd sequels stories taken from Sonic Rush and Sonic Forces and a bit of Sonic Rush Adventure

Had to look at the first big text thing. Basically the world is depressed after Sonic was okay just put the Sonic Rush Adventure thing. But okay the world is depressed after Sonic supposedly died. While in Sonic Mania from what I know the Phantom Ruby dropped in this dimenison where the main movies take place. So Eggman finds it and the comic where Infinite before he becomes of what he is. Him leasing Jackal Squad to raid Eggman until Infinite discovers what the Phantom Ruby can do like Eggman. With now Jackal Squad joining Eggman and his forces now.

Shadow I guess this takes place a year after Sonic's supposed death also hey 30th anniversary of Sonic 2. But Shadow still trying to do what he can after Sonic scarificed himself. Inspiring Shadow and going by Maria's promise to protect this world.

So he finds Eggman at his hidden base and had to look so last paragraph put Shadow at front. Basically Shadow kicks the Jackal Squad's ass and him telling them stuff like this isn't worth it. Basically Jackal Squad just leaves Infinite and then Infinite tries to fight Shadow but as the story goes gets his ass kicked.

With Shadow calling him pathetic and let's put weak in there. But also him easily kicking his ass and his squad just flat out leaving it. This basically triggers even more of what happens with him. To go with Eggman's plan and become one with the Phantom Ruby.

Along with Infinite this version. The aftermath of what happened. After being left and considered weak by Shadow. Because of this Infinite's mindset grows even more negative. Disgusted by the concept of family and hating it along with despising the concept of weakness so much. He's basically losing himself at this point.

So since Sonic is supposedly dead. Eggman attacks and Shadow is the one who fights backs. With this time Infinite well they meet first or whatever or sometime. But also Infinite bringing clones of Shadow, Chaos, and Metal not a clone is rebuilt but made sure he's not gonna betray Eggman. Also the fact Sonic is considered to be dead at this point. They kick Shadow's ass and he's the one who vanishes.

Okay girl cleaned up some popcorn of mine on the ground. But basically Shadow is one of the world biggest defenses and while Shadow hates working with Shadow clones. This was Eggman's idea. Infinite decides he can torture Shadow since he's the one who increased this threat even more. I know torture wasn't the word used in the Japanese version and the English version for some reason used it.

Honestly Infinite seriously hates Shadow. I can see him doing this stuff. Also realizing Shadow can't not die or age. Yet you can mentally hurt him in some way.

For Sonic while confirmed dead. As a visual reference to Sonic Rush Adventure he washes ashore on the island where Marine resides at and she okay I had to watch the first part on YouTube I'm on my phone at Target I had the audio off.

But she starts poking him with a stick. So yeah Sonic is injured but he heals up on the island including some time meeting Blaze who wants to check on this. Basically Sonic using Chaos Control with all that power now teleported him here.

While wearing a bandage around his chest he tries to get back. Yet doesn't know how yet these Sol Emeralds could be the key. But because of what's going on in the other dimenison. With Infinite and Eggman using the Phantom Ruby and starts opening portals to other dimenisons. With Classic Sonic's world being one of them.

Also theirs no Tails vanishing and no he's not losing hope. Yet over time even with some of Sonic's last words he starting to lose hope but he doesn't wanna show it but people see it. Along with others like Amy having dreams of Sonic being alive and seeing her. Also this relates to old ideas. Even Shadow himself having dreams of Sonic being alive. Also the reversal of a racing scene between them. Instead of Shadow it's Sonic who says hey don't you remember I died which wakes Shadow up whether before he gets captured or while he is.

Also I know Shadow doesn't need sleep. Including let Grant and others be affected by this.

Including Tikal was shocked by Sonic's scarifice and even shows up I guess to help but basically pissed off at a fake Chaos and maybe Chaos helps.

Along with Buddy/Gadget/Rookie decides to help and overcoming his fear.

So instead of saving Sonic it's Shadow and he escapes and Sonic and Blaze and guess yeah put Marine there too teleport oh the Death Egg what about a random prison but using s teleporter that opened they go into that dimension and even Sonic saving Buddy/Gadget/Rookie.

Also their are changes like they have all the Chaos Emeralds but they won't work. Even for Sonic, Shadow, Tikal, Chaos, or even Classic Sonic. Including Sonic getting angry at one point.

Just okay the Sol Emeralds also theirs this critical thing the Chaos Emeralds being used so much and the idea they can think for themselves. Basically they aren't helping Sonic and the others.

Also the last Sonic movie post the silly one I forgot about Silver and I don't know I guess Blaze replaces him but still I don't know. This phone has 24 percent and I want this to be the end of this or some shit.

Looked over tags a bit got them done phone has 23 percent wanna post this

Edit got tags done and forgot Marine and Silver tags sorry for this being long now 22 percent sorry of this being long again wanted to share these

Edit well it said I reached 30 tags hope I could put Cheese. Now I'm waiting for Uber. I seriously felt like I was being unfair if Cream wasn't mentioned. Basically she cries when Sonic supposedly dies too

Edit I'm sorry even the last save I felt weird still have my large Dr. Pepper I'm very sorry waiting for Uber still I ramble