#Fuck antis

[sephirthoughts]

me off to post my age-gap incest power imbalance toxic yaoi in the main tags

So ANYWAY fuck all of this we're going to end the antis plague in the years to come because ain't NO way I'll accept my refuge from reality (fandoms) being plagued by the same christo-fascists (antis) as the ones haunting me irl.

Ain't. No. Fucking. Way. Get out. Get out of here or learn to behave I don't care but we don't NEED your negativity, your censorship or your pearl-clutching.

And you! You right there stop being afraid of them! Just don't talk to them, block them, drop them if they're "your friends" no they ain't! No they absolutely are NOT if they'd tell you to kill yourself over some drawings. You don't have to fear being isolated, reach out to other proshippers, isolate THEM if anything. Seek help from others, escape the toxic cycle of fear and loathing, ENJOY FANDOMS AGAIN BE TIRED OF THEIR SHIT. REBEL! REBEL!!! POST THAT KINK! REBLOG THOSE SIBLINGS KISSING! WRITE THAT AGE GAP FIC! REBEL!!!!!

[proshippers-against-censorship]

CSA is bad because it harms REAL children.

Rape is bad because it harms REAL people.

Bestiality is bad because it harms REAL animals.

Notice, there, the similarities.

Real.

Real.

Real.

All of them cause harm to REAL beings.

So, what difference is there between those who do the above and you if you use your personal disgust towards UNREAL things to justify harming REAL people?

[dstrider-3]

antis acting like youre going to die or youre a terrible person for things you consume fictionally or thoughts you have remind me of terrible christians/catholics who say youll die and go to hell for xyz

[sweet-ladys-things]

I absolutely despise antis for what they're doing to fandom spaces. I'm not interested in the digital circus at all but the way the fandom is freaking out over 3-4 year age gaps is so stupid and genuinely concerning.

It's so clear that the only reason they're bringing the ages up is because they just don't like a ship. It's 3 years?? It's not even problematic at all, with the way they're acting you would assume they were talking about comships but its seriously the most vanilla ships known to mankind.

It reminds me of that one post where someone said "proshippers dni it's canonically a two year age gap"

It's sad and pathetic and I'm so worried for the future of fandoms.

[azulas-daddy-kink]

"Not an anti or a proshipper, I'm just normal!" 😌

Oh, boy do I have news for you...

PROSHIP IS NORMAL!

Are you against bullying, doxxing, and harassing based on someone's taste in ships? Do you think people should just mind their own business and use the block and filter features provided?

Congrats, you're a proshipper.

Back in my day, this was the default. This was normal. We didn't have a special term for it. We had "don't like, don't read" and "your kink is not my kink and that's okay".

Those who didn't respect that were the abnormal ones, and still are.

Wait, what's that? You personally dislike incest, age gaps, or abuse? That's okay. You can dislike those things and still be proship. You can even express your dislike and still be proship. You are not required to like every ship in existence. You are only required to be a decent human being who doesn't tell people to kill themselves because you don't care for their ship.

[hottakes-of-twosided-logic]

Hot take of today

This goes out to both sides, but considering a certain side has more of a problem with this *antis*

Invalidating others for their trauma, shared views or not is never fucking ok

It’s especially not fucking ok under ANY circumstances to tell someone that they should

KYS or much less don’t fucking say someone deserves or deserved to be SA’d , it’s not fucking cool it ain’t fucking cute and it’s especially not “morally correct” you don’t get a pass just cause you believe to be of higher standing than them

It goes without saying that internet drama should never be reason enough to tell a survivor that their trauma was deserved proship or not

[zeroducks-2]

The pearl clutching about supposed incest is ridiculous… so many pieces of media employ the high school sweethearts/grew up together trope for straight couples and you never see people up in arms about it, why such vitriol when a gay ship has a similar story?

People who use the word incest as a spectrum drive me insane.

Like yall, incest means sexual intercourse with a relative within the prohibited degree of consanguinity. Consanguinity means BLOOD RELATIONSHIP. You can't toss around the word incest to vaguely mean that these two guys were not raised under the same roof, did not grow up together, didn't even MEET up to when one was 17 and the other 20, and the only tie they have is that as young vigilantes, they were mentored by the same guy.

I don't give a shit about your feelings on how "it looks like incest" because it's not. You can't assign random words to things and demand they're true. Jason and Tim have less personal ties than Dick and Wally for fucks sake - at least Dick and Wally lived under the same roof for a time and have been close since they were 12ish. So I'm sorry but idgaf about people whining that we need to tag "batcest" and such because they get triggered by idk what the fuck, because that is not incest, it can never be incest in any planet or any galaxy regardless of how you spin it, so go clutch your pearls somewhere else and fuck off. I'll tag things when the tag APPLIES.

Also, how come it's "batcest" when it's Tim and Jason, but it's totally fine when it's Tim and Stephanie? How come it's "batcest" when it's Jason and Dick, and all good when it's Dick and Barbara? Or when it's Barbara and Tim, or Dick and Helena Bertinelli?

When you only give a pass to the het couples it really starts sounding like the umpteenth fucking excuse for homophobia.

[lore-gore]

An anti came at me with "viv is a bad person so her show deserves the hate" so I fucking debunked all her reasons so hard that she blocked me.

[thedigitalwave]

Seeing that bitchy crosstagger saying "hey antis 🥺 dont worry those filtht radqueers will never be accepted into society!!" Is just. Well. Telling, raw and gross.

You know, it's really really fucking strange to me that people genuinely say out loud that a group majorly composed by minorities trying to be themselves will never be accepted into normal society. What is normal society? Your everyone-stays-the-same, divide-all-into-distinct-groups, never-let-mental-illness-be-normal society? Cause that's not normal to me. That's fascist.

I know I'm saying a big word there. I don't mean it in the "all antis are secretly alt-right" way. I mean "all antis are explicitly conservative in some way", though.

How can you propose us the idea that everything needs to stay the same, never progress, that minorities need to stay minorities and privileged people need to stay privileged, that certain people should stay in the shadows, and not be conservative?

By saying transid-identifying people should never transition, you're saying that. By saying paraphiles should never be accepted, you're saying that.

I hope you realize what you're doing now. This isn't protecting anyone. This is maintaining the status quo.

[problematiquehell-inactive]

I hate antis and how they just gaslight you. "No this isn't grooming! Its just showing loli art to minors because its GROSS and WRONG and I'm leaking an 18+ account to them to REPORT! What do you MEAN look at RAINN and UNICEF? Thats bullshit, I'm not grooming anybody, right teenagers!"

Update three months later: anti number 500 has been called out for sexual RP with minor followers. How could this happen?

And I'm not saying this as a weird "why are you thinking about children getting groomed" I'm saying this as a REAL FUCKING PROBLEM that, for some reason, (we know why) us anti-antis have to deal with and call out. But when we DO? We're "taking this too seriously". How many kids are antis gonna groom until they fucking fix themselves?

[rolkstone]

if you've got a problem with proshippers get off my fucking blog

I find it hilarious and very telling that someone with "proshippers dni or you'll be reported" was asking me to draw something for them. I make it so fucking clear on my blog that I don't respect antis.

also, reported, for interacting with you? what the fuck is wrong with you?

fuck antis. fuck censorship, fuck all that holier than thou judgement

[pyro-n-cryo]

As an asexual, it infuriates me when people say your fictional tastes = irl tastes. They don't work like that!!! Just because I wanna bone a fictional character, doesn't mean I want to bone irl. Same thing applies to any other "problematic" troupes or fiction.

Let people dabble in fiction.

[sweet-ladys-things]

Villain f/os that threaten to kill anyone that so much as looks at you funny 🥰

Overconfident villain f/os that see everyone but you as beneath them 😍

Villain f/os that promise you a piece of the world when they take it over 😘

Villain f/os 🥹😊☺️

Stolen from an anti with an extremely rude message so reminder to all comshippers/proshippers/neutrals, your f/os love you🐇💕 you mean everything to them and you're the only one for them🐇💕 they would move heaven and earth for you🐇💕 they told me so

[sharkaiju]

Imagine being so undone by ship you have to reblog a post about it just to tell the op how much you hate it. Lmao you people can't do anything

[phoenixwrites]

Your daily reminder:

You are not “problematic” for reading dark fiction.

You are not “problematic” for writing dark fiction.

You are a fascist if you try and censor it.

And just because I’ve been busy with my PLAY and my PUBLISHED NOVEL OUT IN OCTOBER—

—I didn’t forget about how antis harassed me into SI last summer.

Or how ugly you guys got about VQ.

And now you’re doing it to others because you realized that you have no power over me or my success so you want to harass others to feel powerful.

VQ is a small tiny subset of a very small ship to begin with. RPF shippers have existed since fandom began. You don’t have to like it or approve of it, but the majority of them keep to themselves.

The harassment, rumor mongering, and threats of doxxing—which did and ARE happening and it makes you a piece of shit to deny that—are out of control.

Quit with the “callout” blogs. You aren’t a great crusader making people aware. You’re just being a cunt.

Yeah I gossip about VQ. At least I own it and don’t try and cover up my gossip with the faux morality “the Hellcheer fandom needs to be made aware” shtick.

[zeroducks-2]

Zero you mentioned hating on people who get prissy about people shipping characters they dont actively ship and it sparked a LONG burning question of mine concerning bias shipping culture in Batfam fandom. Fans who attack and complain and make a big show of hating on ‘batcest’ ships ARE SO DUCKING HYPOCRITICAL OH MY LORD. I don’t understand why it’s considered okay to ship Dick x Barbara or Barbara x Bruce, or Steph x Tim. But seen as a cardinal sin to ship Jason x Dick, or Jason x Tim or Bruce x Dick??? Especially when the only argument antishippers make is ‘that’s gross their brothers/father and son and that’s incest 😤’. I’m sorry? Did you not just post nsfw Dickbabs content? Did DC not make Steph and Tim romantic love interests? Is that not incest too? Considering the fandom classifies all of them as family, and in a lot of fan spaces and fanfics, are they not interacting and being written as a family unit? I see SO many people blog about Bruce seeing Babs as his first daughter, or being making weird headcanons on Bruce and Steph’s relationship and donning it ‘tired uncle!Bruce and weird niece!steph core’. Like you obviously see them connected to Bruce through familial ties, and yet you’re okay with them dating Dick and Tim who are legally adopted by Bruce and who are also known as his sons? The irony. The hypocrisy. The ducking mockery of it all. Personally, I don’t think the issue that antishipper have is the ‘incest’ part but rather the ‘gay’ part of it all. Game of Thrones taught me that the general public actually don’t care about fictional incest between characters as long as it’s not between two male characters. Because lord forbid the’s a couple of queers in media.

I have been talking about this many times and I have no qualms talking about it some more:

✨ IT'S NOT INCEST, YALL JUST HOMOPHOBIC ✨

The whole idea around "batcest" makes no sense. These are people who did not grow up together, aren't related and never even lived under the same roof. Incest is not a spectrum, incest means sexual intercourse with a relative within the prohibited degree of consanguinity, consanguinity means BLOOD RELATIONSHIP, and these people DO NOT HAVE IT.

But even then, they are a bunch of hypocrites because I have not ever seen anyone batting an eye over Dickbabs or Timsteph (or Jaybabs, or Timbabs - yeah depending on the time period or the media, poor Babs has been passed around a lot). Their relationship is the exact same as the boys' when it comes to shared experiences. Steph has even been a Robin. But nobody cares because 1, DC is not pushing the "family rhetoric" with the girls all that much since they treat them as lower importance characters (when they're there at all), and 2, it's not queer relationships.

And this is ultimately what makes me go insane about queer kids parroting anti bullshit. Censorship is the weapon used by bigots to criminalize, punish and ultimately erase queer people from existence, it takes to study queer history for five minutes to understand this. You can see it happening in every fandom space where every type of queer ship gets put through some sort of moral sieve, and they WILL find reasons why it's unethical to ship it. Did you know that now shipping Dick/Wally is problematic because "Wally has a wife" ? So basically they're turning the very reason why fandom was born (exploring something different from the standardized heteronormative/amatonormative way of doing everything when it comes to narrative) into something pRoBLeMaTiC.

And these little fucking idiots keep spouting queerphobic nonsense while feeling morally righteous, not understanding that they are playing the game of the same people who if they could would shoot them in the street for being anything but straight and cis. And I'm not even taking into consideration the amount of harassment that comes from antis who think bullying and suibaiting someone over the perceived honor of fictional characters is okay.

BTW it's working. Just to name one, tumblr is not even doing its little rainbow capitalism number this year, because it's not a good look to be queer friendly anymore. Antis are helping the people who want us dead get to a spot where being anything but "normal" is illegal. When it happens, and if we keep going the way that we are now it will happen, it's going to be their fault too.