#Florian and Jonquil

[ippoliya]

Sansa at a crossroads.

[7seasofem]

sweet sansa 🐺

[atopvisenyashill]

"When you're old enough, I will make you a match with a high lord who's worthy of you, someone brave and gentle and strong."

[agentrouka-blog]

Hello, I hope you are well! :) I have a question for you or your followers: given that 'Florian and Jonquil' (and whatever exactly the song is about) might be an important motif for a potential Jonsa endgame, I wonder if anyone has any meta at hand, or written themselves, about the medieval story 'Floris and Blancheflour' and how it might be related to ASOIAF's own Florian and Jonquil (and by association Jon and Sansa). Just by the names alone there could be some connection, but Google isn't yielding any results for preexisting meta for me.

Thank you!

Hi there!

I don't recall any meta on that subject - which doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

The names do seem to be the most striking parallel, while the plot itself doesn't really seem to reflect too much about Florian and Jonquil, which features a dragon but no special tower (as far as we know), and while there are some similarities to Jon and Sansa, tower imagery included, they seem too general (to me!) to be more than an example of the kinds of songs and stories Sansa would love.

Other might obviously have a very different opinion. Does anyone know of any metas?

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

I hate that we find out about Easy on the same chapter he dies.

What do you mean there is a black brother believing he's the Florian the Fool reborn? I wanted to see more of him!! Did he talk about his supposed former life to his fellow brothers? Did he try to give the younger NW members ( aka Jon and his friends) love advice by recalling his romance with Jonquil? Sam would be sympathetic towards him (bless his kind soul) and Jon pissed off with all the talk about romantic love (but maybe all this talk about Florian the Fool would remind him that Robb used to play that hero when they were kids) and Dolorous Edd would somehow vibe with Easy.

Also, it's a crime Easy never got to meet Sansa aka the number 1 fangirl of Florian and Jonquil! They could easily become besties.

[alridpath]

Florian the Fool ⚔️🌼

[stormcloudrising]

could you elaborate on the dragonfly motif?

Hi Nonny,

Ooooh, this is a really interesting ask, and one I debated whether to answer at this time. Not because I don't want to provide an answer, but because to give a complete one would require me to preview a theory that I've been working on for an upcoming chapter of my Florian and Jonquil series.

It wasn't the next chapter planned, but likely would have been the 2nd or 3rd hence. I say likely would have been because I've decided to move it up so that I can provide you with the answer to your question.

However, my answer is not yet fully written. I wrote a lot of it last night, as I have to combine with existing text I wrote previously and add a few more supporting quotes from the books. But, between now and Sunday, you will have your answer.

To give you a preview of what I will be discussing, this chapter will be called, Jenny of Oldstones and her Prince of Dragonfiles. In it, I will explain the symbolic importance of Jenny and her Prince; how they echo the Florian and Jonquil legend and are thus connected to Jon and Sansa. And from that, I hope that you will understand the symbolic importance of the show adding dragonflies to Sansa's costumes and what it implies about her book arc.

Oh, and surprisingly, the Ironborn will make an appearance.

[deadonyouraccount]

I just saw ANOTHER rancid Criston take and it’s not even the hater type

THINKPIECE ALERT

-Criston Cole is written as a man who is devoted strictly to duty and upholding Andal customs— the love affair aspects are rumored but he is cold, calculating, and ruthless. Yet his image is tainted because he broke an oath by helping Aegon usurp. Jaime Lannister’s chapter in AFFC recognizes he has GOOD and BAD qualities and sees himself within the Kingmaker as the Kingslayer.

Book Criston has lots of gray area. So does the show

-He’s fleshed out much more in the show, so we see some of his inner anguish and learn about his common background and repeated Dornish racism when he’s a Stormlander.

LETS STOP THERE: A STORMLANDER SWORN TO HOUSE DONDARRION! HE WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE IN A MALE AS HEAD OF HOUSE!!!! That’s a fixed point book and show whether he hates Rhaenyra or not. Because he passed over Alicent for Aemond to Prince Regent. Not of some petty reason, because he truly believes in male primogeniture.

Alicent saved his life, she is his ‘beacon’, but he is still a man with his own thoughts. Those thoughts are being challenged the longer he has served the Greens. He’ll die for them of course, but making Criston out to be some uwu boy dog canonically is serious work. Cole is a flawed individual who is constantly haunted by his past actions and repeats the same mistakes until he finally gets out of the keep.

Does that mean he doesn’t have chivalrous qualities? No. I don’t think he’s abusive either, he talks a lot of shit and in war things are always different.

Okay thank you

[pygian-weapon]

"What were YOU doing at the devil's sacrament?" but it's me making this face 🤨 every time the Hound shows to know a bit too many details about courtly songs

[thewindsofwolves]

Jon Snow & Sansa Stark Book Parallels & Mentions 20/∞ : They’re both romantic cuties

Sometimes she would whisper his name into her pillow just to hear the sound of it. "Willas, Willas, Willas." Willas was as good a name as Loras, she supposed. They even sounded the same, a little. What did it matter about his leg? Willas would be Lord of Highgarden and she would be his lady. She pictured the two of them sitting together in a garden with puppies in their laps, or listening to a singer strum upon a lute while they floated down the Mander on a pleasure barge. A Storm Of Swords, Sansa II

If I could show her Winterfell . . . give her a flower from the glass gardens, feast her in the Great Hall, and show her the stone kings on their thrones. We could bathe in the hot pools, and love beneath the heart tree while the old gods watched over us. A Storm of Swords, Jon V

[horizon-verizon]

Jonquil Tower is a symbol of romantic love. Caraxes cry smahing all windows is a symbol of broken heart of Daemon.

That's intentionally written to be romantic, as if it were Daemon himself screaming at her leaving.

I know we can find other explanations but this one is simplest and most likely. Why would George add all these details if didn't intend us to think about romance?

And especially if all other clues fit together to a romantic picture?

Singers compared the sudden marriage of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen and Queen Alysanne Targaryen to the great romance of Jonquil and Florian the Fool.

Florian the Fool saw Jonquil at a pool of water where she and her sisters were bathing and she fell in love with him. The site of their story and their love is a pool, not a tower. In the town of Maidenpool, there is a bathhouse called Jonquil's Pool. The tower is called Jonquil's Tower only because the entire town is dedicated to her, but the traditional and object of love symbolism is a pool of water. If GRRM wanted this to be a romantic thing, he could have chosen a much better location.

Finally, there is much too much reason more for me to believe that they didn't have an affair than this one small, easily argued-against detail, which loses its already infinitesimal significance after considering all the arguments against DawmonxNettles before the Jonquil Tower bit. I already gave a link about it, by darklinaforever, who compiled a list by several bloggers.

[voluptuarian]

I'm going to try and finish my research paper for Renaissance Art tonight, and then I'm going to reward myself by ceasing the homework for the rest of the night and if it's not too late sitting down to watch The Court Jester

[visenyaism]

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Dowager Queen Visenya Targaryen has outlived her nephew the King Aenys I Targaryen. Her son King Maegor I Targaryen has returned to the capital to claim his father’s throne.

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crusty incest king died. FLOP!

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wait MAEGOR?

🥔 bowlofbrown

this job fucking sucks. finished my shift and i cant even clock out because i got lost underneath the site.

#dark as shit down here #never working construction again

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i literally cannot believe how many supporters of m*egor i see on my dashboard every day when he is literally flaying and torturing so many seven-blessed poor fellows just for practicing their religion and saying incest is bad??? he’s literally outside my city waiting to burn us all to death DNI if you support him

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i for one think “the cruel” is a bit unfair given how he has done so much to uplift women’s voices and free us from religious tyranny like. named the first female heir in westerosi history? improving the infrastructure in king’s landing? decentralizing the power of the faith? he literally loves gay people so much he married three of them?

🦓 zorse-deactivated7849

op what does that eleven inch necromantic targaryen dick feel like because if you keep riding that hard I’m pretty sure it’ll rot off

🔮 tyanna

in seven days you will begin to cough

#twelve. btw

🐉 queen-visenya--outlives

Dowager Queen Visenya Targaryen has outlived her great-nephew Aegon Targaryen, henceforth to be known as “The Uncrowned.” Her son King Maegor I Targaryen has slain him and his dragon Quicksilver over the gods’ eye for trying to usurp his throne.

🌞 ullerihardlyknowher Follow

why is this always how i find out how do you know this before even cravings moste popular

#also what the fuck is going on up there

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guys the oversexualization of king maegor is so problematic and insane considering he’s not only shy and married as a 13 year old but also is literally neurodivergent (has CTE)

🤲 aegonfort-top

🤲 aegonfort-top

lost my left hand for posting this

#it was kind of hot though

🗣️ towerstower Follow

was not into targaryen rule at all but if we are going to do it it’s kind of fun that we are being ruled by a super powered animated blood corpse and his circle of freaky bisexual witches and also his mommy instead of like. a normie who also fucks his sister

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seven hells you people would fuck a k*nslayer if they had valyrian silver hair

🐦‍⬛ raventooth Follow

during these trying times when our king is accused of depravity and tyrannies abound throughout the land we must remember the most important truth: the brackens are still a people spawned from the lowest of the seven hells

🐎 brackennation

KILL YOURSELF. Lord Gonzo Tully himself AS YOU KNOW literallyyyyyy gave us the right to move the boundary stones over the tributary. but i wouldn’t expect a blackwood to acknowledge basic laws and rights you’re just too busy doing blood sacrifices to your nasty heathen tree god.

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as soon as i figure out why balerion is overhead rn im coming over to kill you. btw

🐎 brackennation

wait looks like he’s headed towards harrentown

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oh cool. KILL YOURSELF

💐 floriansfool36 Follow

hi guys!!! sorry i’m a sennight late posting this, my brother got killed and then one of my other brothers got tortured to death and then my great-aunt died and i ended up having to flee dragonstone for storm’s end and it was kind of scary lol. anyways here’s the update as promised!!!

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i wish Balerion did get you RPF is literally soooooo problematic. look to your sins op

#daenys the dreamer and nymeria weren’t even alive at the same time????

❤️ lanadelrhaena

i think you did a great job. glad you’re safe xx

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YOU HAVE INTERNET IN THE KEEP???? HIIIII

[thesunsethour]

Tumblr in Westeros (S2E02)

📜 oldtownstateofmind follow

if i had a silver stag for every time otto hightower was stripped of being hand of the king i’d have two silver stags which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

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⚱️fireandperiodblood follow

sooooo funny when some bitches who live in the north try to tell us in kings landing how to feel about the war. the ravens take so long to get there they think the prince is still alive

🪱 pentoscore follow

but which prince?

⚱️fireandperiodblood follow

what

🪱 pentoscore follow

girl the funeral 😭 look out the window 😭

⚱️fireandperiodblood follow

SEVEN HELLS

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🐞 queenmotherrrrrr follow

getting socialist-baited by a targaryen king is like losing at chess to a dog

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🥀 fairmaident4t-deactivated follow

not to victim blame prince jaehaerys but it seems way too easy to break into the red keep lol

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🪻hardasacasterlyrock follow

unfortunately Rhaenyra the Cruel goes so hard lmao

🪻hardasacasterlyrock follow

me: sees a powerful and beautiful princess with ambiguous morality

me: i think i hauve greyscale

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🌑 castleblackparade follow

can’t believe in the last week two princes have died otto hightower has been fired dowager queen alicent served cunt at a funeral and daemon targaryen got dumped by rhaenyra. literally what else can happen

🌑 castleblackparade follow

FLORIAN THE FOOL JUST GOT SENT TO SUPER HELL FOR CONFESSING HIS LOVE TO JONQUIL???????????

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🌻eyriegoats follow

i hope that our few remaining friends give up on trying to save us i hope we come up with a fail safe plot to piss off the dumb few that forgave us i hope the fences we mended fall down beneath their own weight and i

🪷 knightdick follow

girl help they’re making a tragic lesbian romance out of the dance of the dragons

🌻eyriegoats follow

there are septs everywhere for those with eyes to see

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[jeyneofpoole]

asoiaf dash simulator

🥀 fool4you

ohhhhhh my goddd……. florian and the fools concert in kl opened with jonquil fucking flashing the audience?????? ohhhhmmfnf my gofifhddd??????? cannot believe she’s straight truly a tragedy for the ladies loving ladies community

🫀weirdwoodd

imagine believing in the doctrine of exceptionalism….. no hope for this realm i fear

🐉 fyre-and-blood

hey guys op actually worships the old gods so i would just go ahead and block them before they overtake your mind with hideous blood magicks. stay safe out there!!!!!

🌊 salt3dwif3

bro you can always tell when someone paid the gold price for their baubles 😭 this greenlander does NOT reave or raid like come onnnn where did you get that finely crafted dirk because it sure as hell wasn’t the cooling corpse of your enemy lmao

🎇 rhaegars-cervix

if i see any of you making fun of the tragedy at summerhall on the anniversary i will block you immediately. people lost their lives it’s not fucking funny.

⚡️dondarriugh

ok tumblaeyr user rhaegars-cervix

❄️ thelastofthegiants

thinking about Her (brave danny flint)

🐁 rat-cook-rave

me when i’m literally wandering the nightfort’s shadowy halls

🍂 barwench

if you’ve ever apprenticed for a trade or eaten a high lords castoffs you have no place in the serf rebellion how many times do we have to say it. uplift actual smallfolk voices how hard is that to grasp

🪱 leeching-loving

didn’t you grow up within sight of a holdfast 💀

❤️‍🔥 rhollorslight

cannot believe the sheer amount of heathenry on this site…. WAKE UP!!!!!

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☀️ martellmesweetlies

you’re on the wrong side of the narrow sea lmao

💫 mothers-tears

hey i know you mean well but it’s really important not to engage with r’hollor cultists, they thrive off of engagement and all you’re doing is giving them exposure. just block and move on

[daenystheedreamer]

please tell us about alysannejonquil..... you've intrigued me

ok so. jonquil is utterly totally irrevocably devoted to alysanne. her very shadow. nothing is more important to jonquil than alysanne. alysanne is the maiden made flesh. alysanne is a true princess a true queen the most beautiful the most kind the most gentle.

alysanne loves jaehaerys with all her heart, he is her soul she is his heart. she also loves jonquil, as her truest friend. she's like her hand; an undeniable part of herself. alysanne could be bisexual if she knew that existed but truly has no thoughts on this matter.

jonquil knows she is a lesbian and can identify her sexuality. she is also a bastard daughter and a woman knight. she can never be a true daughter nor a true knight.

there relationship is one of meaningful touches, where it is thoughtless and whole-heartedly given by alysanne and obsessed over and greedily, starvingly kept by jonquil. an empathetic pat on the knee. braiding jonquil's hair so it's out of the way. tying the ribbons on alysanne's dress.

alysanne says oh you are my jonquil then i must be your florian. jonquil is gripping her sword white-knuckled. haha yes your grace of course your grace. jonquil thinks about alysanne the maiden in the pool the true jonquil.

alysanne is 15 when the attack at maidenpool happens and i like jonquil at 18 because it mirrors brienne and it means she did her mystery knight tourney at 16 like lyanna. they grow up together. jonquil is beside her for the births of all her children, from daenerys to gael.

jonquil sees the king and hates. and then she repents, because he is the king and if alysanne is the mother then he is the father made flesh. but he puts alysanne in that birthing bed and makes her bloody and still alysanne loves him still alysanne praises him for giving her children.

ok dramatic prose over it got too much. anyway i think jonquil is sort of a weird aunt figure in the lives of alysanne's kids. she's literally been there since birth. ill put her opinions on the kids below the cut. i think alyssa, saera and viserra specifically all catch on and identify exactly what jonquil's deal is and i do believe they each tease and harass her over this. alyssa in a fun and flirty way, saera in a pointed and cruel way, viserra in a simultaneously careless and egomaniac way.

jonquil being the one who physically restrains saera and forces her to watch jaehaerys behead her lovers. Layers. layers to this. saera is an insult to her mother a wicked wicked girl. jaehaerys IS the father IS the king. alysanne must be protected.

jonquil loves the order jonquil loves the system. she believes herself an aberrance and repents over this.

also i think jonquil would get jealous when gael becomes alysanne's bedmate. layers layers layers. she liked daenerys because daenerys died before she could become a disappointment.

i want jonquil surviving alysanne and sticking around at court. like barristan. a shadow once more. i want her to see alicent. i want her to see another faithful girl in the flower of her youth caring for jaehaerys and jaehaerys mistaking her for his daughters for saera. i want to see it. she has a stroke and dies at a sept lying at the foot of the maiden. or mother idk could be either.

i dont like alyquil ever consummate. i mean i can enjoy thinking about it but like in this timeline/au/interpretation of canon/fanon whatever i think its not unrequited its just unconsummated. jonquil knows alysanne could love her, does love her, doesnt understand sexuality, but she could never. but she wants to. and has to apologise to the gods about it.

DAENERYS - cute kid, dies young so jonquil never has to see her become a wicked sort of woman

AEMON + BAELON - she cant tell the difference between them. they are their father's sons. they will be her king one day. Layers.

ALYSSA - i like to think she taught alyssa some swordfighting since alyssa is mentioned as playing with wooden swords as a kid. jonquil has complex feelings on alyssa's early non-conforming gender stuff. i think alyssa genuinely likes jonquil but also likes teasing and flirting with her. unlike her mother alyssa can identify her bisexuality. when alyssa settles down (with her brother) and becomes a good wife (to her brother) jonquil is like. im not going to think about this more than i have to. she is a little disgusted and then feels disgusted for feeling disgusted because aly and jae are sister and brother and aly can do no wrong which means to feel disgusted is to make aly less of an ethereal angel. is broken up by alyssa's death, never wants to think about it ever again.

MAEGELLE - the other good daughter. chose the order chose the system. kind and gentle and sweet like alysanne. faithful and good.

VAEGON - just kind of weird. doesnt like fighting doesnt like fucking. does not entirely fit his assigned gender role, which jonquil should relate to but she's not ready for that cognitive dissonance.

DAELLA - the last of the good daughters. jonquil thinks she's a weakling but then repents for thinking that because women are supposed to be weaklings. sad for alysanne when she dies.

SAERA - the wicked evil WHORE of a daughter. a demon who is a stain on her angel of a mother. of course she turned to prostitution. saera for sure was sexually harassing jonquil cos she thought it was funny. definitely like "awww mummy isnt gonna fuck you but you can settle for me ;)" and jonquil is like. im going to fall on my own sword.

VISERRA - another disappointment daughter. im not sure if i want to go full jaehaerys-abused-his-daughters in this but like. idk your mileage may vary. but no matter what jonquil is still going to be a little misogyinst about it and judge her drinking judge her self destruction. jonquil may hate jaehaerys but if alysanne loves jaehaerys than jaehaerys can therefore do no wrong sort of thing.

GAEMON + VALERION - the kids themselves dont matter but the difficult labours that alysanne went through definitely affect jonquil. she gives the king the silent treatment for a while. curses him and then repents over it and doesnt feel guilty and has to repent again.

GAEL - good daughter, in a way, but jonquil has deep jealousy over how alysanne finds comfort in her. when gael gets doomed jonquil is, deep down, a little relieved and happy because alysanne finds comfort in jonquil once more. lots of praying over that one.

bonus

AEMMA ARRYN - she likes aemma because aemma is nice and gentle and kind (just like alysanne therefore good. a worthy inheritor of queenship) + born from one of the good daugthers

DAEMON - she looks at him and sees saera

RHAENICENT - her head explodes about this