#Doug Mesner

[queersatanic]

Is it dead-naming to refer to “Lucien Greaves” as “Doug Misicko”?

No, it is not.

Sometimes well-meaning people ask this question sincerely, but in practice, it usually feels like people raise and deploy the specter of dead-naming as a way to distract from all of the other criticisms of The Satanic Temple and its owners that are completely indefensible.

He is not calling himself names like “Greaves” or “Doug Mesner” out of a sincere desire to identify differently than his government name but because he is attempting to make it more difficult to hold him accountable as the owner of a collection of for-profit and tax-exempt corporations he solely or jointly controls totally.

Moreover, we’re still being sued by The Satanic Temple in ̷f̷e̷d̷e̷r̷a̷l̷ ̷c̷o̷u̷r̷t̷ ̷a̷n̷d̷ ̷n̷o̷w̷ King County Superior Court.

TST is also still suing Newsweek and its reporter (but maybe not her anymore!) for writing about us. In addition, the Temple is now suing a TikToker in Texas for talking about our case. Check the pinned post for more.

[sophieinwonderland]

Hold up... can we go back to this?

I know, I already addressed how the Putnam thing was completely irrelevant. I already talked about how one of those lawsuits against Kluft was dismissed, and another is under a gag order with no information about it. And I talked about my own skepticism over retractors who report childhood abuse only to deny it later, due to how easy it is for abuser to get to their victims, which raises red flags for me about a lot of the false memory syndrome lawsuits.

What I haven't touched on yet is the quote about Satanic cults. Because having found the source for that, wow! It's truly incredible the lengths people are going to take the words of a DID expert out of context for their ad hominems.

First, here's the part quoted on the ISSTD Wikipedia page

Does that seem like a lot of really suspicious cuts to anyone? Like it's almost intentionally designed to push a certain narrative?

I have shared my perspectives in many professional settings. I grew up under the shadow of the Holocaust, learning more and more about how many nations, including my own, had failed to acknowledge and/or act responsibly in the face of a genocidal disaster. I discovered how those close to the Holocaust were able to rationalize their denials and/or collaborations. Mine is the generation that heard the FBI strenuously deny the existence of organized crime until the very public 1957 Apalachin meeting of Mafia figures came to widespread attention. Then, my generation watched the FBI do an abrupt and embarrassing about face, reversing its longstanding dismissive position. Mine is the generation that had to deal with Vietnam and the American government’s egregious misrepresentation of the reality of the situation there. Further, my generation witnessed its initial denial of the damage done to the young men who served there, and their frequent misdiagnoses as character disordered or psychotic rather than traumatized. My generation watched the estimated frequency of father-daughter incestuous events soar from 1 case per million in 1975 to 1 of 20 biological father-daughter relationships in 1986, and the estimated incidence of therapist-patient sexual exploitation from rare to embarrassingly common. In addition, my generation witnessed the revelation that prestigious mental health professionals had participated in unethical research on human subjects for covert agencies, research that was very destructive to many subjects. Further, as the findings of the Lanning report were becoming known, I was in contact with FBI agents in connection with another matter. I learned that many agents in the field did not believe that the official reports denying many aspects of SRA were honest or accurate.

Faced with these repetitive betrayals of trust and contradictory perspectives from our federal law enforcement agencies, I like many others, could not be comfortable with “authoritative” statements that denied the reality of many aspects of SRA. Strong statements from sources that had undermined their own credibility simply were not convincing-they were just more information to consider. Those who remembered the many dishonesties and betrayals of trust listed above were less likely to accord immediate credibility to a governmental agency’s reporting that organized SRA does not exist. For those who had become aware of the numerous instances of mistreatment that had been denied, rationalized, minimized and otherwise kept secret, it was very difficult to believe that something evil and covert was a priori preposterous.

I have often stated that the vast majority of SRA reports I encountered were not credible, and explained how I arrived at that opinion. In brief, I demonstrated that if the atrocities and grotesque rituals allegedly witnessed by a geographical cluster of patients who were convinced that they had victimized in transgenerational satanic abuse had actually occurred, the county in which they resided would have been depopulated in just over a decade. Their claims simply could not be true. Further, I have expressed my concern that the importance of SRA reports as a derivative expression of more mundane abuses that, if acknowledged, would threaten the attachment needs of these patients, has been sorely underestimated. Many patients found it more tolerable to believe that their abusive families simply did to them what they had experienced when they were young and were carrying on a religious tradition than to believe that they had been mistreated because their abusers wanted to abuse them. This stance both rationalizes their abuse experiences and at least partially exonerates their abusers. However, that being said, it is undeniable that satanic elements are employed at times by those who wish to exploit the power of such materials for the purposes of intimidation and/or to pursue nefarious purposes. They are encountered in the context of organized satanic religion, in idiosyncratic religious or quasi-religious beliefs, and in deviant individuals and/or splinter groups of practices that themselves normally do not endorse such beliefs or practices. They are experienced as symptoms of psychotic/delusional mental disorders. Satanic elements remain problematic realities in many situations.

Basically, at this point, he's not endorsing a belief in any sort of widespread conspiracy or cults. But there is undeniable truth that there are opportunists who will use the label of Satanism to hurt people. (Look at Doug Mesner for example, even if his takes the form of smear campaigns and SLAPP suits.) Just as there are for any other religion.

He feels the vast majority of these reported cases of SRA aren't real, but that there may be some. And this is something he makes clearer in the following paragraph where the OP's quote came from:

I remain troubled about the matter of transgenerational satanic cults. Any scientist or thinker has had to grapple with how difficult it is to prove that something does not exist. I am comfortable in saying that if such situations exist, they exist at a level of far less frequency than was once suspected. That being said, in the mid-1970s, years before the surge of interest in SRA during the 1980s, I encountered situations that involved reports by non-participant eyewitnesses who were neither dissociative nor traumatized patients. In fact, they were without psychiatric illness. I would be dishonest if I allowed the pressures of those with strong convictions that such groups either do or do not exist to push me to endorse either stance. Holmes cautioned Watson, “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” As a corollary, it would be a similar error to follow the model of Procrustes, and cut away facts or stretch or otherwise distort them, discarding them or forcing them to fit a particular model or preconception. I prefer honest uncertainty to false conviction.

All in all, this is a pretty thoughtful and rational take on the whole issue.

SRA is probably rare, but there are some groups who will call themselves Satanists and do abusive things. There are going to be abusive Satanic cults out there in the world because there are abusive cults of every religion.

And being reasonably skeptical of claims from the government is a good thing. Kluft mentions a lot of betrayals of trust from his generation. And those haven't stopped in the time since. A major recent example would be the Iraq war being based on weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist.

Being open-minded and willing to listen to all the facts doesn't make somebody a conspiracy theorist.

(In fact, most conspiracy theorists are incredibly closed-minded.)

What I find increasingly concerning is the Grey Faction and r/systemscringe's consistent lack of moral integrity, and their willingness to continuously take things completely out of context to push their dangerous and ableist agendas.

[queersatanic]

It's never been confirmed anywhere that we know of, but the name "Greaves" is probably intended as a dig at former International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD) president George B. Greaves. That's a link to the George Greaves entry on the Grey Faction website, with Grey Faction being a continuation of the work of the "False Memory Syndrome Foundation" because that org was one of Doug Misicko's pet causes.

The original fake story for The Satanic Temple was that it was a theistic satanic cult founded by a guy named "Neil Bricke" (sic); that was a reference to a real person named "Neil Brick" who has been behind the Stop Mind-control And Ritual-abuse Today (SMART) group/newsletter.

While TST co-founder and producer Cevin Soling (a.k.a. "Malcolm Jarry") really hated public schools and wanted to use a satanic religious group to gum that up, the other founder Doug Misicko had been feuding with satanic panic figures for years already, back when he was using the pseudonym "Doug Mesner".

So, it would fit the pattern of referencing people that Misicko hated, and "Greaves" has the added benefit of also being a piece of armor, so it sounds almost cartoonishly satanic when taken at face value.

We wrote some more about the early days here.

And however much it matters, even though the "I think it's OK to hate Jews" portion of that Internet radio broadcast is rightfully remembered for being terrible, he said a lot of things that were even worse than that, both in that same broadcast and in others.

When it comes to The Satanic Temple, there's always more and it's always worse.

pertaining to "lucien greaves" (doug mesner) of the satanic temple—clearly the name lucien is derived from lucifer but do we have any idea what the "greaves" means and where it came from?

Lucien Greaves (also known as Douglas Misicko or Doug Mesner) Douglas Alexander Misicko, born August 1975.

Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome. There is no such thing as false-memory syndrome. He harrasses survivors, and isn’t interested in the truth of SRA and TBMC.

The Danger Behind the “False Memory” Myth

I don’t know where his name came from.

T.W. Anti Semitism/white supremacist

While we’re on the topic of Lucien Greaves, I’ll post to his anti-semitic rant. He’s a white supremacist and The Satanic Temple should crumble into dust.

“Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fuckin’ frisbie on their head [correct term: yarmulke or kippah] and walk around [and] think their God’s chosen people, but it’s not okay to hate somebody [‘born of Jewish blood’] just because their parents were stupid fuckin’ Jews and wore stupid frisbies on their head and thought the Jews were God’s chosen people […] Not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me, it depends on if they follow the Jewish, uh… […] Satanic Jews are fine,” (Adam, “Doug Mesner [Lucien Greaves/Douglas Misicko] Satanic Temple Anti-Semitic Rant” (transcribed).” Source

Another LINK

Oz

[satanourunholylord]

Lucien Greaves' (Founder of The Satanic Temple) opinion on Jewish people:

(Antisemitism TW)

(Note: I don't agree with this. However, I want the information to be shared as much as possible so that people can make up their own minds on whether they want to support Greaves/TST or not. I recognise that TST as a group does a lot of good, but I personally can't see past this)

“Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fuckin’ frisbie on their head [correct term: yarmulke or kippah] and walk around [and] think their God’s chosen people, but it’s not okay to hate somebody [‘born of Jewish blood’] just because their parents were stupid fuckin’ Jews and wore stupid frisbies on their head and thought the Jews were God’s chosen people […] Not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me, it depends on if they follow the Jewish, uh… […] Satanic Jews are fine”

[claudia-berdella]

This CD contains the ‘hits’ of an old podcast on Radio Free Satan called The Doug Mesner Show. the CD was initially handed out by Doug at the True Crime Warped Minds tour according to Magister Bill M. of the CoS. The CD contains music, inappropriate prank calls, and a sermon.

[queersatanic]

Yeah, but the co-owner of The Satanic Temple is Cevin Soling, a secular but Zionist ethnic Jewish person who gave an interview to the Times of Israel (as "Malcolm Jarry") calling criticism of the Israeli military equivalent to blood libel antisemitism, and who also started a nonprofit to target pro-Palestinian student groups.

And the Church of Satan probably won't be much better because the official line under the justification of "pragmatism" is effectively just boot-licking and power worship.

Putting it below the cut, and this is back in 2003, but TST's other owner Doug Misicko ("Doug Mesner", "Lucien Greaves") and the Church of Satan's Grand Magus Peter Gilmore had this exchange as part of Misicko and Shane Bugbee's 24-hour "Might Is Right" Internet radio stream starting 21:19:01.

(Shane Bugbee's wife Amy was also there as co-host, and note that the Bugbees frequently espouse white nationalist talking points, so factor that in).

While Satanism should side with the marginalized and embody the eternal rebel, and should find in its principles the justification to oppose genocide and the harming of children, the Satanic organizations you're specifically referencing are — if anything — explicitly pro-Israel.

Doug Misicko: What did you feel about the "cleanup work" that some of the academics tried to do immediately thereafter, claiming that that was not the face of the true Islam?

Peter Gilmore: Well, again, Islam does have a whole group and range of sects. But when you look at the early history of Islam, they were very hostile to anybody who didn't believe as they did, much as the Christians were. It took a long time for Christianity to be placed in a position where they didn't have the unity with governmental powers that could exercise conversion or death. So in time, Islam over the world may reach a point where it's not linked with governments with weapons, or with members that can get ahold of weapons that can destroy people. I mean as we- the situation in Israel is a very— one to think about, because there's a relatively small group of suicidal individuals are slaughtering people, by the day with with bombing runs, they're not afraid to die, they think they're getting some kind of illusory heavenly reward. And those people are absolutely dangerous.

Amy Bugbee: But do you really feel that's the case? I mean, you know, these people have had- the Palestinians have had everything they own taken from them, they've been forced to move into refugee camps, and the Israelis still come in with tanks and blow them up. And every time there is a suicide bombing, these people are flying their choppers over and bombing refugee camps, which seems to be an oxymoron of the whole idea of a refugee camp. I mean, these people are desperate people, they have no weapons, they have nothing. What choice do they have? I think if I were in that situation, I might strap a bomb to myself too.

Peter Gilmore: Oh, you might but then you're dead. Do you have no more life to live. And the whole point is...

Amy Bugbee: But they don't have a life now. I mean, they've had they've lost it all.

Peter Gilmore: They could find- I think they might find ways to have a different kind of life than than what they expected. We have to always adapt. Remember, we're talking about Might is Right as our basic issue here for this day. And the book, that's just out, that we want to remind people buy the book. Umm...

Amy Bugbee: (laughing) Thank you.

Peter Gilmore: If you basically are attacking a power that has more might than you do, then you can only expect to be slaughtered. So going in there and blowing up Israelis is going to have reprisals, just like blowing up buildings in this nation had reprisals for the nations that harbor those people, you really have to keep aware of who has the power in the situation. And one, you can't be idealistic. You can't say I want my life to always be the way it is that not may not be possible, you have to adapt and find a life that's going to be as as satisfying for you as it can be, but it may not necessarily be an ideal that you have. You have to be pragmatic about it. I don't think they're being pragmatic.

Amy Bugbee: But that's like- What about like the Revolutionary War and the Americans against the British. I mean, people would say that, would have said the same thing. I'm sure people in Britain, were saying that about the silly Americans.

Peter Gilmore: Yeah, but America had the power to pull it off, and did. And that's might again made right, they had the money. They didn't they they had help from France. And, again, it's all a matter of power and balances of power. The Palestinians could have the right kind of allies, they wouldn't have to be committing suicide all the time.

Doug Misicko: I think Might is Right could be taken either way, in that case. You could say, Israel has the upper hand, they should be able to take the upper hand, they should be able to expand their borders, if they've got the might, it makes right. But also you could say that if the Palestinians can display any type of might, and they're feeling that they're oppressed, they should do whatever they can.

Peter Gilmore: Well, the thing is, everybody will, that's always what happens, you know, might is right isn't something that you have to try to promote. It's what it's how things work. It's simply a definition of a reality, so that everyone will struggle for what they want, whether it's idealistic, or pragmatic, and whoever wields the most power will eventually win and rewrite the history so that they look like they were doing the right thing all along, depending on their audience.

Doug Misicko: That's I agree. And I think Might Is Right basically says how it is not how it should be or how we will make it that's the way it is.

Peter Gilmore: Exactly. It's reality. It's not ideals.

Doug Misicko: It's a philosophy of realism.

Peter Gilmore: Mmhmm. Precisely.

I’ll say it, satanists for Palestinian should be a given.

Tenent 2 of the satanic temple

“The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.”

The 9th rule of the church of Satan

“Do not harm little children”

The 6th rule of the church of Satan

“Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved”

[sophieinwonderland]

Hi!

First: Lucien Greaves sucks, fuck him and all DID/plurality denialists.

That established, why do you not only insist on exclusively using his given name (Doug Mesner), but also accompany your valid criticism with mocking his chosen name?

Is it because Lucien Greaves is not a "normal" name? Do you deem a name he chose for himself not his "real" name? Are you against him having two names?

Aside from the fact that it's pointless to criticize him for something harmless when you can (and do) criticize him for the actual harm he does, all of these potential justifications for it cause collateral damage by throwing other totally innocent people under the bus (namely trans people and people from cultures whose traditions around names are different from yours).

I don't see these as comparable.

As I understand, Lucien Greaves isn't his chosen name. Or, to be more exact, Lucien Greaves is a stage name. A pseudonym. Like how Dwayne Johnson might call himself The Rock. In his personal life, Doug is Doug and always has been. Lucien Greaves is a name he uses specifically to protect him from social repercussions for his actions. (He's basically said as much.)

Doug wants a persona to be able to troll and toss SLAPP suits at people and ruin their lives. He wants to profit off of the suffering he causes, and still be able to go back home as Doug.

From what I've found, his actual name might actually be Doug Misicko and Doug Mesner is yet another pseudonym. Which, yeah, Mesner sounds like something he would choose too. But I'm not totally sure due to misinformation flying around about him. Or maybe disinformation to muddy the waters and further obfuscate his history.

And the specific name "Lucien Greaves," like everything else, is one intended to provoke a reaction. It's meant to sound like a movie villain. A pathetic man trying to make himself appear bigger and grow his reputation. Lucien Greaves is not a name, it's a trademarked brand owned by the United Federation of Churches LLC and a shield designed to protect him from those he harms.

[unwelcome-ozian]

Hey! I was reading the post about Doug Mesner and how you mentioned “the satanic temple should crumble to dust”. I’m an SRA survivor and I’ve met some folks who belong to TST and have really lovely values. I struggle with reading through all the articles on Lucien that I’ve come across and the resources explaining safety and TST. I was wondering if you could clarify why TST is bad? Can people be s*tanists and still be safe?

A vast majority of people who are satanists don’t abuse people and would abhor abuse done in the name of their belief system. This applies to people who belong to the TST as well.

One issue I think you should be aware of as a survivor of SRA is Lucien Greaves runs a site where he denies SRA occurs. It’s called Grey Faction and he activly harrasses survivors.

Former members of The Satanic Temple

Orgies, Harassment, Fraud: Satanic Temple Rocked by Accusations, Lawsuit

Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves: the huckster behind the Harvard Black Mass and similar shams

Oz

[queersatanic]

The Satanic Temple will not save Texans.

Please definitely do not give The Satanic Temple your money, and moreover, please tell everyone you know to stop.

TST has repeatedly failed in court to protect abortion rights in the name of religious liberty, and it does not deserve your time, support, or especially money

That documentary is effectively just propaganda, and one of the central figures in it left for reasons of internal issues with the owners that still have never been addressed.

Even if they were not a deeply problematic organization with a owners that had persistent "ties" to right wing extremists, they are incredibly ineffective in their legal strategy and have repeatedly failed to protect anyone's abortion rights.

Rather, they have hurt their very clients and worked to silence them from speaking to others and for themselves.

For anyone who comes across this and is active on TikTok, we know that if you learned about The Satanic Temple five minutes, they seem cool as shit. They are not. Please read a little bit more then make as many vids as you can about it because the misinformation is thick out there, and there's a Satanic-themed for-profit corporation out there owned by two dudes that don't win many court cases but do sell a lot of merch.

hail satan 😉

hail satan!

yall go donate to the satanic temple. they are fighting this anti-abortion bullshit in texas in the name of religious freedom!

for those of you who don't know the satanic temple isn't actually a religious group, they're a political group that works to protect people using legal means from religious tyranny and theocracy in the US. so for example when some asshole wants to teach the bible in school the satanic temple will show up and say, "nuh uh uhhhh not unless you teach from the black book of lucifer toooo." and stuff like that.

there's a fun documentary about them on hulu called Hail Satan?

now is a great time to support them in the name of women's rights!

[96thdayofrage]

As everyone knows, there are many questions surrounding Scalia’s death, but none of them – in my opinion – are the right ones. I DO believe that Scalia was murdered, but it wasn’t an assassination like many people are assuming. Scalia was brought down by his own behavior – and he is definitely not going to be the only one.

Why did Scalia leave his detail of protection, fly to Texas, and go to a place that was an hour from the rest of civilization? No police, no media – and the only people who stay at the 600 dollar a night dump are rich people. I have seen pictures of the rooms, and they don’t look any better than your local Super 8 motel rooms – so why are the rich flocking to this place? And why this rush to not have an autopsy, and to declare that Scalia died of natural causes? Most everyone has seen a problem with this – but they don’t understand what is happening.

Scalia liked to fuck little boys. I know this from personal experience – as he was one of my primary abusers as a child and was one of the HEADS of the cult that abused me. He was a vile man who was such an extreme sadist that I find it hard to give words to his voracious appetites. I hated this man in ways that I can’t begin to explain, and he rivaled Michael Aquino in my abuse as a child. That is why Heaven reached out and claimed him – and I can assure you, he isn’t going to be the only one.

Doing what Scalia did is exactly what OTHER pedophiles do when they drive two or three states over to have sex with children. Who goes that far – an hour away from everyone – just to stay ONE NIGHT? He wasn’t having meetings at this dump – in fact, the official story is that he had dinner with people and then retired early. Why? Because he went there to fuck a 13-year-old boy who, in turn, slit his throat. That is why there has been so much secrecy surrounding this situation – why the family was SO EAGER to not have an autopsy done. They don’t want anyone to know the details surrounding this pedophile’s last moments, and they are doing everything they can to keep anyone from finding out – and for good reason.

This ranch, far away from everyone and everything, that only caters to the rich, is a pedophile brothel, I believe. The rich are able to go fuck little children here – and because it is so remote, and so far away from police and everything else, it has been able to remain secret. Until now, that is. Scalia’s actions directly mirror every other pedophile that travels long distances just for an illicit sexual encounter with children. He figured he could go, have a night of sex with a child, and return back to his life – with no one being the wiser. Obviously he was wrong. And the reason why no one around him wants an autopsy to be done is because when people discover that his throat was slit, everyone is going to want to know how and why. That is why they are so anxious to bury him and ignore his death, and that is why so much effort is going into feeding outrageous stories that keep the public ignorant and discombobulated.

The fact is, Heaven is reaching out and claiming these cult leaders – and Scalia is far from the only one who is about to be claimed. In fact, I predict that in the coming days, we all are going to see Warren Buffett and George Bush Sr. claimed in horrible ways as well, as well as Michael Aquino. All of them are going to be claimed – and very soon no one is going to question why. They stood in direct opposition to Heaven – and now they are getting their just rewards. And NO ONE is going to be able to stop this.

What I was trained to do as a child is REAL, and it WORKS. Unlike their little poster child Doug Mesner/ Satanist Lucien Greaves, I don’t have to wear stupid horned hats, or do ridiculous little rituals, and I certainly don’t have to publicly expose my privates; I just have to focus. And I have – FOR YEARS. The result of my efforts is that this group is going to be blessed with the very separation from God that they have demanded all of their pathetic lives. The darkness is getting ready to claim them. And they are all going to die with the same overwhelming fear that Scalia experienced right before he was claimed. I have told Aquino repeatedly that they taught the wrong person their shit – and now they are beginning to realize the truth of what I have been stating. And no little ritual, no incantation, no sacrifice, is going to stop what is coming for them.

Whether the public ever finds out the truth about Scalia’s death is totally inconsequential. Those who have been involved with this KNOW the truth concerning what I am saying. And rest assured, the darkness has them in mind, and they are going to be claimed – regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. And they are WELL AWARE OF THIS. I have said this before and I will say it again: it isn’t a good day to be a devil worshiper, because what is about to claim them is worse than any hell anyone can imagine. They have invoked the WRATH of Heaven – and now they are all about to get their just rewards, and Scalia is just one example of the shit that awaits them.

But again, don’t take my word for it. Just sit back and watch. Soon all of us will see the truth in what I am saying. Even now, they are having a hard time understanding how Scalia could have been murdered. How did the knife get into the 13-year-old boy’s hand – how was he able to slit Scalia’s throat? Because it was DIRECTED by Heaven and was a result of divine intervention – and it stands symbolically as an example of what is about to happen en masse. He was murdered because Heaven WILLED it – and Scalia is not going to be the only one. Not by a LONG SHOT.

[queersatanic]

So my mother seems to be confused when I talk about what is happening with y’all and the fight with TST. She knows about the other guy who is shorter and smaller who had the whole documentary surrounding him in Connecticut??? I think? I have short term memory and can’t get the details out correctly.

She knows they just want to be acknowledged as a religion in America but she doesn’t know about the Other Dude who is a neo fascist. Can you help me enlighten her?

So, both Cevin Soling ("Malcolm Jarry") and Doug Misicko ("Doug Mesner", "Lucien Greaves") are shitty but for their own reasons and in their own ways.

The original idea of The Satanic Temple was just another ironic, prank documentary project by Soling's Spectacle Films Inc. production company.

You can read about that history here or watch this video essay about the "cargo cult messiah" documentary project Soling pursued before and during the early years of TST to get an idea of the flavor of what they were going for.

Soling is a NYC landlord scion and also really hates public schools, which is the thing he's most known for under his own name rather than his TST pseudonym. Unsurprisingly, that interest has found its way into the Temple's activities, too.

If you need more background on "Lucien Greaves", these two articles go over that in detail with the second of them devoted to more examples and the first more to placing it all in context of the Temple and its history.

Finally, if you need some more help understanding The Satanic Temple's SLAPP action against us, this breakdown is meant to be brisk and cover the material for a lay person with links and court documents available for someone who would like all of the details.

[sophieinwonderland]

I find myself thinking again on the r/systemscringe post announcing the targeting of public figures. Some of the points I've already responded to. Others are vague enough to not bother with. They think I'm spreading "misinformation" for providing peer-reviewed academic sources that support endogenic plurality. I think they're spreading misinformation for trying to disprove RAMCOA by relying on an ableist Satanist apologist group that doesn't believe dissociative identity disorder is real and wants to throw trauma survivors under the bus in their effort to debunk the Satanic Panic.

(Nothing against Satanism overall. I just don't think Doug Mesner should be treated as a reliable source on psychology.)

It's subjective.

There's little sense in arguing their spin of the facts, as absurd as it may be.

But then, other things aren't subjective. They aren't half-truths. They're just made-up lies.

Like this...

promoted the review-bombing of McLean Hospital

This is something I'm pretty confident never happened.

I looked through some of my old posts about it just to see if I might have reblogged someone calling to review bomb them and couldn't.

I also checked this petition I posted and found nothing about encouraging people to leave bad reviews here:

I suppose it's not impossible that I reblogged something that slipped through the cracks and I forgot about. I mean, this was drama from a year ago they decided to resurrect and if they scoured my blog for reasons to justify attacking me and putting me on their hit list, maybe they found something I forgot.

But I REALLY don't think so.

I don't think I would have pushed for anything like that at the time because, by the time I found about and responded to the harmful video, McLean had already taken steps to remove it from their official Youtube. I had to watch it through a mirror. In my mind, that was admittance that they messed up.

It seems to me that u/Goat_Alter and the other mods of the hate subreddit just decided to accuse anyone who criticized the video and wanted it removed of review bombing. Something which is obviously absurd.

Which makes me wonder then about the other people they accused.

Like I've said before, I've never watched DissociaDID, but I figured maybe other people in the system community did. Does anyone know if DissociaDID ever actually encouraged people to leave false reviews about McLean Hospital because of the video, or are the r/systemscringe mods lying about them too?

[queersatanic]

Lucien Greaves is the co-owner and chief speaker of The Satanic Temple; he was “pro-eugenics” or at least “anti-dysgenics”, but either way wanted to forcibly sterilize people he thought were stupid or otherwise unfit.

He was very clear about this in the 24-hour live stream he did on 9/11/2003 to publicize the new edition of the late 19th century protofascist work Might Is Right that he’d illustrated.

(Edit: Tumblr fucked up the order, but your get the idea. ctrl+f the above hyperlink to jump to these sections for context)

This is a sample; there’s also more eugenics talk, the whole bit on “Nazis ruined the word antisemitism” plus calling the psychic to tell her “I don’t want to have r*t*rd kids”.

Five years later, he wrote about it again, and until as late as 2018 he maintained his website “dysgenics.com” publicly.

If you want more detail and context, this is very extensive work we’ve done.

What does The Satanic Temple want? Who knows. They keep losing court cases and taking in money that they don’t bother any transparency with in terms of where it’s going. Their legal strategy such as it is is a dead end.

So it could be it’s a money-making and clout thing more so than something nefarious about eugenics. It’s just that you don’t see TST out there fighting for bodily autonomy or reproductive autonomy of all kinds, only this one kind.

are there any sources for this claim that a main reason The Satanic Temple is so pro abortion is because they believe in eugenics and want to get rid of disabled people or is that just a false rumor meant to take the wind out of the movement

I will say though that I understand the amount of actual abortion rights groups that have said "uhhhh most of the people pushing for anti abortion are extremely conservative religious folk who act like abortion is a sin and evil and now there's a group claiming to be Satanists who are pro abortion and that gives our entire movement an extremely bad look" because uh. Yeah I would in fact agree with that

[unwelcome-ozian]

pertaining to "lucien greaves" (doug mesner) of the satanic temple—clearly the name lucien is derived from lucifer but do we have any idea what the "greaves" means and where it came from?

Lucien Greaves (also known as Douglas Misicko or Doug Mesner) Douglas Alexander Misicko, born August 1975.

Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome. There is no such thing as false-memory syndrome. He harrasses survivors, and isn’t interested in the truth of SRA and TBMC.

The Danger Behind the “False Memory” Myth

I don’t know where his name came from.

T.W. Anti Semitism/white supremacist

While we’re on the topic of Lucien Greaves, I’ll post to his anti-semitic rant. He’s a white supremacist and The Satanic Temple should crumble into dust.

“Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fuckin’ frisbie on their head [correct term: yarmulke or kippah] and walk around [and] think their God’s chosen people, but it’s not okay to hate somebody [‘born of Jewish blood’] just because their parents were stupid fuckin’ Jews and wore stupid frisbies on their head and thought the Jews were God’s chosen people […] Not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me, it depends on if they follow the Jewish, uh… […] Satanic Jews are fine,” (Adam, “Doug Mesner [Lucien Greaves/Douglas Misicko] Satanic Temple Anti-Semitic Rant” (transcribed).” Source

Another LINK

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[lord-radish]

So last year I had a brief fling with satanism. Not like ritual murder or any of the Satanic Panic talking points that were blown up in the 90's, but the philosophical viewpoint of Satan as a bringer of knowledge and as a martyr. Satan as a counterpoint to God, as a challenge to Christianity and to the culture I was brought up in. As a challenge to power structures inherent to Christian society. I thought it was an interesting rabbit hole to go down, and I found a good blog for it called queersatanic.

queersatanic was probably the best place I could have wound up to play out my satanism phase, because it was through their posts that I learned about The Satanic Temple and how fucking awful they are. The lead guy, Doug Mesner, is an antisemite and pro-eugenics - and I'm not talking about Tumblr receipts, I'm talking about entire archived podcasts where the guy says outwardly anti-Semitic things and rubs elbows with a known Klan member, and a pro-eugenics website that the guy maintained and shilled that was up until around 2019.

queersatanic was a former TST member who posted pro-BLM and pro-antifa content on the Facebook pages of their local TST chapter, only for them to be booted out of the church and slapped with a defamation lawsuit along with several other people. Since then, they've been unraveling The Satanic Temple's different businesses - because TST is registered as a business with multiple companies below them - and calling attention to how they supposedly champion abortion as a religious freedom, but how they've lost every case they ever attached themselves to - including cases involving real people who The Satanic Temple co-opted, expanded the scope of and subsequently lost for all those people.

I'm still so mad because I thought that a philosophical take on satanism was cool, a satirical religion preaching self-love and the rejection of power structures and users, only to learn that the largest Satanic organisation at the moment is a corrupt bastardization of those ideals, co-opted by bigots who share the same texts as actual white supremacists.

And you have so many people going "no they're good they're fighting for reproductive rights, you're thinking of LeVeyan satanism!" - which, granted, is its own unique brand of fucked up - but they don't realise the long chain of bigotry and abject failure stemming from a company positioning itself as a religion that's antithetical to institutional abuse, only to abuse defamation lawsuits to gag people and encourage bigotry and eugenics from the top down. Who say that they're the only hope of providing reproductive rights under the banner of religion when they not only keep failing, but they lie about their failures to keep people signing up.

In my opinion? Fuck orgs entirely. Sick of people going "yeah power structures breed corruption, join our organisation!" only for - surprise - that organisation with a power structure to be corrupt in the end.

[dakhmaofangramainyu1]

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