#Do israelites

[fictionadventurer]

My desire to support a Biblical sitcom done in a respectful way vs. my hatred of the mockumentary style, FIGHT!

[m0th-person]

Hittite empire and Troy Wilusa

I don’t how how their relationship would be like though, but Troy was the Hittite Empire’s vassal for some time .

[rahabs]

It's just amazing to me that all the people who were having complete meltdowns in February over a video game are now on this website spitting some of the most vile, heinous, antisemitic rhetoric, is all.

[wittyworm]

Leviticus chapter 20 shook me to my core i have to pause this shit and go to bed.

[nururu]

Everyone in America and Canada who ignores indigenous genocide in America and Canada has blood on their hands. Y'all will be written about as the idiot majority that let the indigenous population be slaughtered while they turned a blind eye.

[navree]

“i was surprised the teacher didn’t mention the israel-palestine conflict” it is an ANCIENT HISTORY class currently in the 13th century bc discussing the historicity of the plagues of Egypt this lecture why in the fuck would he be talking about it????

[hebrewbyinbal]

How do you feel in Hebrew? Learn how to ask it!

[rosetowers]

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SOURCE

[brick-van-dyke]

Gonna review all the sources I've been provided with (they're damning for the zio so rip to them but thanks for the sources lmao), and been searching through more sources from the time periods in question and, well, basically I started a thing.

(sorry for the blurriness) An overall essay going through the evidence and providing a small splash of input as someone noticing a lot of discord in said evidence, which isn't surprising but still it is telling how zionists cherry pick.

Anyway, the more I learn, the more I realise that there's a lot of political and nationalistic push to emit details in some papers, while pushing for certain conclusions based on the framing of the research for others. I think this is legitimately just unproductive when acknowledging the subjectivity of history as a study and the way certain overlap may point to a conclusion that isn't preferable by a variety of people, from researchers to the intuitions that may use or pay for the research to begin with. I find this in studies that delve into contentious topics in general. It's why it's so important to note the overlap and notice the inevitability of bias in understanding these topics.

As far as the history the Middle East goes and who colonised who, I think many disregard the simple theory that, perhaps, colonisation itself can be something inflicted by the post-colonised and equally be something done to a group with connections to conquest, ultimately making both the same in terms of land rights and the concept of legal ownership. Or, more specifically, that Zionists' attempts to become conquests have since reduced their claim, just as it would reduce a Babylonian, despite their deep links to the land and, arguably, being one of the first social groups before or at the same time as the Israelites.

History and Carbon Dating specifically become difficult to assign moral value of land rights to when cultures blossom and change in such extreme ways (to the point of being unrelated or unrecognisable with those from ancient eras) with the passing of time. The racial blame placed by Israel is thus shown to be one of mistaken vengeance and generally racial profiling of modern Arabs, just as the Persian, Turkish, Roman and British empires showed signs of racist attitudes to employ totalitarian tactics of rule over the peasantry. Being the colonised when one is willing to colonise with the same means reduces the ethical claims and, meanwhile, the history itself reflects greater nuance than political nationalists may desire of it.

Ultimately, as I search further and further, I find that the claim of nationalism and identity is a mere shared ideal of all empires formed through conquest and the desire for ownership of abundant resources. Meanwhile, I find that the idea of an ancient homeland to reclaim is obsolete when the people in question do not resemble those they wish to avenge. Culture evolves with geography and time, a constant for every country's history. Religion, culture and the concept of a homeland forms where the resources are abundant, rather than any legitimate greater or lesser claim from neighbouring tribes and civilisations. The wish of a Promised Land is a logical conclusion for any group seeking refuge from the elements; a moral argument filled with human necessity and a shared common ground if faced with an open mind and a willingness to review the past, while simultaneously moving on from it. The complexity becomes simple when it is understood that only the present can take responsibility for the present; and choose a better path than those who horde resources in the modern age of globalised colonialism.

[a-god-in-ruins-rises]

How would Jewish culture influence Christianity to adopt a caste system? Ancient Israelites didn't have a caste system.

fair question. let me elaborate.

i don't mean to suggest that christian europe adopted the caste system wholesale from jewish culture. that's why i said "influenced". i think the development is a bit more complex than that. i agree it ancient israelites didn't exactly have a caste system like medieval europe but i also think it's a bit more complicated. i'll get to that.

first, the caste system was a result of centuries of evolution. and my thesis is that it's the result of an amalgamation of native (indo-)european culture and jewish/semitic culture (from the bible and christianity).

so medieval europe is kinda defined by the tripartite "class" (caste) system; nobility at the top (royalty might be considered its own class or it could be considered as just the top of the noble hierarchy), the priests/clergy, and then the commoners. there is some variation between different cultures but this is the stereotypical arrangement of feudal society.

worth noting, israelite society didn't exactly have a warrior aristocracy (like we find throughout indo-european societies) but they definitely had a clearly defined priestly caste. and that priestly class had its own privileges (such as being entitled to receiving certain "gifts" or being exempt from certain taxes). and, this priestly caste was explicitly and pretty strictly hereditary. but that's not all, the bible is littered with emphasis on lineage and genealogy and inheritance. it's everywhere. and not even just with priests. but just in general. from the priests to the kings.

i'm sure you can see where i'm going with this.

it's not hard to imagine that these ideas influenced (christian) european society to adopt a more closed, hereditary aristocracy, as opposed to the pre-christian european aristocracies which were a lot more open and merit-based in comparison.

i just don't think it's a coincidence that these two things (the spready of christianity and the rigid closing of aristocracy) just happened at the same time. even kingship moved away from traditional elected monarchies to increasingly hereditary monarchies. they even started adopting the practice of recording extensive genealogies and king lists, something not common among indo-europeans but very common among semitic cultures. one exception is the persians, but i'd bet that this is because of semitic influence.

so yeah ancient israel had a kind of caste system. with the priests (whether kohanim or levites) essentially being a hereditary ruling caste. then, for europeans, the nobility was the hereditary ruling class. but it's also worth noting that most christian priests also came from the hereditary ruling caste as well (though the christian priesthood wasn't necessarily hereditary).

[m0th-person]

her hair changing doesn’t have ANYTHING to do Deuteronomy 21:10-14… NOTHING AT ALL I have no idea what you’re talking about!

(‘Bring me my bride’ from ‘a funny thing happened on the way to the forum’ starts to loudly play in the background)

[bijoumikhawal]

additionally, Ugandan Jews, who have been practicing Rabbinic Judaism since 1920 (brief early history: before that the community was started in 1919 by a man (Semei Kakungulu) who initally converted to Christianity in 1880 but wanted to be circumcised- upon being told that basically would make him a Jew, he declared that in that case, he was a Jew, and underwent circumcision anyway, and declared his family were Jewish. This made the British and a bunch of other people mad. In 1920, a man named Yosef visited them and taught them about kashrut and the Hebrew calendar) were recently ruled not to be Jewish enough for aaliyah either.

Further the state is kind of horrible toward everyone who isn't Rabbinic. Ethiopian Jews traditionally are non Rabbinic, their community is led by priests and monks, and there is massive pressure on Ethiopian Jews to convert to Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism. Karaites, who today are either of Eastern European (esp. Crimean) or Egyptian descent, have a long history of being maligned by Rabbinic Jews, so it's not new that they aren't always treated well. Additionally, Samaritans are considered a sect of Judaism by the state even though they themselves do not consider theirs and Rabbinic Judaism to be the same religion, and they still aren't considered to be "Halakhic Jews", which is part of a broader weird and complicated political position they're put in by virtue of wanting not to be aggressively discriminated against, but also historically being scorned and considered inferior/outsiders because they aren't Rabbinic, as well as having historically close cultural ties to Palestinians. There's limited publication about this afaik, but I've met Beta Israelim who speak about this problem based on personal experiences, and there are others from the latter two groups that speak about the struggles they face as well.

People do not realize that when we say Israel is a settler-colonial state, we mean it was literally devised in junction with European imperialism around the turn of the century.

Political Zionism was founded by Theodore Herzl. Originally, Zionists were not specifically interested in the land of Palestine as a colonial project. In fact, Herzl was debating making Argentina the focus of mass Zionist migration, which is quite ironic considering Argentina's colonial and Aryanist past. British-controlled Uganda was also offered as a possibility by Joseph Chamberlain, a Conservative imperialist.

To encourage mass Jewish migration to Palestine, he worked with the British, who had recently drove the Ottoman Empire out of the Levant, and now boasted political dominance in the region, thanks to the Sykes–Picot Agreement between the UK, France, Italy, and Russia which covertly authorized British influence in Palestine, which had become a target of colonial expansion. He specifically wished to collaborate with Cecil Rhodes, a British imperialist who played a lead role in colonizing Zimbabwe and Zambia, and later took inspiration from his time spent extracting wealth from Africa as the founder of mining conglomerate the British South Africa Company.

Herzl’s personal goals for Zionism were colonial. He said in a letter to Rhodes:

“You are being invited to help make history. It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen but Jews […] How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial […] I […] have examined this plan and found it correct and practicable. It is a plan full of culture, excellent for the group of people for whom it is directly designed, and quite good for England, for Greater Britain [...]”

At that time, Palestine was predominately populated with Arab Muslims and Christians, as well as Arab Jews (Old Yishuv) and Druze. Jews made up around 6% of the population. The Ottoman government specifically released a manifesto at the start of Zionist migration condemning the colonization, stating:

“[Jews] among us […] who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own.”

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 on behalf of parliament, officially established the British Mandate of Palestine, sowing the seeds for the modern state of Israel, by means of the UK's ongoing occupation of the region.

Zionism was never about promoting Jewish culture or safety; it has always been tied up in Western (settler-)colonial expansion. !من النهر إلى البحر

[fuzzytheduck]

I think a lot of Americans have a hard time grasping the idea of Jewish indigeneity because they dont know where their own ancestors came from. Maybe they'll have vague ideas like German, Italian, or Irish, but what they know has very little bearing on their day-to-day lives. They don't dress any different, they don't speak the language their great grandparents spoke, they don't hold regular ceremonies and rituals that harken back to the old days.

The idea of an ethnic group maintaining a constant identity over thousands of years is patently absurd to them. "You're telling me you're still mourning something the ancient Romans did? That's ridiculous! Clearly you've fallen for modern Israeli propaganda, otherwise you're deliberately arguing in bad faith in order to justify land theft and genocide!"

It's very frustrating, because when I say these things I do not say them in bad faith. My friend once said "it's a very American thing not to understand large timescales", and I think she was right on the money. The process of American assimilation has cut peoples ties to their ancestors to such a degree that they can no longer comprehend a continuous identity spanning millennia.

So I'm going to say this in the clearest language I can:

There is a genuine, historically provable, continuous connection from ancient Israelites to modern Jews. By the laws and customs of those ancient Israelites I am one of them. Let me reiterate. I am an Israelite, a Hebrew, like from the Bible, and the fact that my identity has been so mythologized and talked about as if it's a thing of the past will never change that.

[irregodless]

i really dont want to go into great detail because im so tired but

pissed but not surprised the us gov and media ignored the latest israel palestine conflict for the past. what. 4, 5 years?

and only now hearing about it now that israel is the victim

remember when the idf was throwing grenades into crowds. into press coverage. into areas with medics.

but no hamas is the only evil here

[realnielsbohr]

listen. if u do theatre in a catholic high school u get roped into doing the passion play

[kick-a-long]

so being jewish, i know that antisemitism primary hurts jews. it's us. we live with the most threats from it.

but no one seems to notice how many terrorists, school shooters, bombers, hate groups, harassment campaigns, hate ideology: sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, fuck pretty much all of the worst brain worms you can get or be effected by: are powerfully charged, explained, accepted because of and linked through jew hatred.

the dyke march hates jews, but so do trad cath men's rights groups. black hebrew israelites hate jews, but so do flat earther, Qanon, and the KKK. so do incels. so do the anti israel leftist. both the far right and far left have vast theories about how jews are involved in world affairs. so do pretty much any color or creed of goyim that has fallen down the rabbit hole into la la land where violence becomes a political solution.

all the big hate group networks use jews as a uniting big tent to find common ground to work together. no joke. brown and black christian nationalist and islamist pro terrorist speakers are routinely used by white supremesists online and at in person conferences.

no one seems to acknowledge that the jew hate is the core principal behind conspiracy narratives globally and that conspiracy narratives are the destabilizing force that lets a person go from "i want to change the world for the better!" into "things can only get better by mass violence!"

and everyone kinda ... ignores it. not even that it's a warning sign but like... that it's pretty critical to convince someone that they need to cause mass death? i just feel so crazy sometimes.

i'm not even just worried for jews, i'm trying to warn goyim that antisemitism is why schools and concerts aren't safe FOR THEM, and it's like... crickets. no idea.