#Deiphobus

[emmikay]

Hector: Achilles is after me for the killing of Patroclus- How long do I have?

Deiphobus: 10.

Hector: 10?

Athena disguised as Deiphobus: 9.

[dilfaeneas]

Hecuba children height and age chart at the start of the war

How things stand at the start vs the end of the 10th year. Oof. (Ages/heights not adjusted)

[incorrecthomer]

Diomedes: Where's Agamemnon? Odysseus: Don't worry, I'll find him. Odysseus, shouting: Menelaus sucks! Agamemnon, distantly: Menelaus is the best person ever! Fuck you! Odysseus: Found him. "Meanwhile" Lycaon: Where's Hector ? Deiphobus: Don't worry, I'll find him. Deiphobus, shouting: Paris is the best person ever! Hector, distantly: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[literallyjusttoa]

I started a project where I redraw all of my Trojan royal family designs, but I spent too long on it and now I just wanna restart the whole thing. But! I didn't want to throw away the ones I have finished, so here's the first nine, with a promise that soon I will have all 21 redone for y'all's viewing pleasure.

[blue-lotus333]

I wanted to make a random ass list of children of priam that were killed by a certain achaean so..yeah.

If I miss someone, let me know!

Killed by Achilles

Hector

Troilus

Mestor

Lycaon

Hippodamas

Asteropaeus

Polydorus

Hipponous

Killed by Odysseus

Democoon

Aretus

Chersidamas

Killed by Diomedes

Echemmon

Chromius

Philaemon

Telestas

Thyestes

Killed by Patroclus

Kebriones

Killed by Agamemnon

Antiphus

isus

Killed by Menelaus

Deiphobus

Killed by greater Ajax

Agathon

Doryclus

agavus

Killed by lesser Ajax

Philenor

llioneus

Killed by Idomeneus

Chorithan

Bias

Killed by Teucer

Melanippus

Gorgythion

Killed by Neoptolemus

Polites

Pammon

Antiphonus 

Polyxena

Killed by Polymestor

Polydorus

Killed by Meges

Deiopites

Killed by Eurypylus

Axion

Killed by philoctetes

paris

[littlesparklight]

Got the (foolish lol) idea to go through some of the works I know give physical descriptions of at least some Trojan war characters and collate them. They aren't in alphabetic order, sorry, but the works/authors are colour coded, at least!

Trojans in this post!

Priam The Iliad: "beautiful as a god" = theoeides Dares: a handsome face and a pleasant voice. He was large and swarthy. Malalas, Chronographia: tall for the age, big, good, ruddy-colored, light-eyed, long-nosed, eyebrows meeting, keen-eyed, gray, restrained. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: meeting eyebrows and large nose, a fiercely glaring, flame-coloured skin and an admirable face, well-equipped, with thick hair and beautiful eyes.

Hecuba Dares: beautiful, her figure large, her complexion dark. She thought like a man and was pious and just. Malalas, Chronographia: dark, good eyes, full grown, good nose, beautiful, generous, talkative, calm. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: dark skin, tall and pretty, of a mature age, ambitious, gentle though.

Hektor Dares: Hector spoke with a slight lisp. His complexion was fair, his hair curly. His eyes would blink attractively. His movements were swift. His face, with its beard, was noble. He was handsome, fierce, and high-spirited, merciful to the citizens, and deserving of love. Philostratus, Heroicus: [Hektor and Aeneas] were both of the same age and height, and although Aeneas's appearance seemed less radiant[…], He was smaller than the son of Telamon, but not at all inferior in fighting, […] Short hair. His ears were damaged, not by wrestling […] but he fought against bulls and considered engagement with such beasts warlike. […] He died probably at the age of thirty. Malalas, Chronographia: dark-skinned, tall, very stoutly built, strong, good nose, wooly-haired, good beard, squinting, speech defect, noble, fearsome warrior, deep-voiced.

Andromache Dares: bright-eyed and fair, with a tall and beautiful body. She was modest, wise, chaste, and charming. Malalas, Chronographia: above average height, thin, well turned out, good nose, good breasts, good eyes, good brows, wooly hair, blondish hair long in back, large-featured, good neck, dimples on her cheeks, charming, quick. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: spirited, of middle age, with a long face, delightful; she had dimples on her cheeks when laughed.

Paris/Alexander The Iliad: "beautiful as a god" = theoeides, (beautiful hair - not direct quote, merely taken by how his hair is talked about) Dares: fair, tall, and brave. His eyes were very beautiful, his hair soft and blond, his mouth charming, and his voice pleasant. He was swift, and eager to take command. Philostratus, Heroicus: appearance was most pleasing, and his voice and character were charming[…] He had a rather aquiline nose and white skin, his eyes were painted, and his left eyebrow rose above the eye. […] at eighteen he also sailed to Hellas, […] not yet thirty years old when he died. (calls him as good as Pandaros as an archer. He also gets compared to a peacock lol (for the beauty AND the (supposed) vanity of the bird) Malalas, Chronographia: well-grown, sturdy, white, good nose, good eyes, black pupils, black hair, incipient beard, long-faced, heavy eyebrows, big mouth, charming, eloquent, agile, an accurate archer, cowardly, hedonist. [He is in his early thirties when he goes to Sparta, due to being confined until that age, when he's brought back to Troy] Tzetzes, Antehomerica: had his beauty from the Graces. He was white, of a proper age [he is in his early thirties when he goes to Sparta, due to being confined until that age, when he's brought back to Troy], charming and well-bearded; he had his hair long and blond.

Deiphobos Dares: Deiphobus […] looked like [his] father, but [his] character(s) were not alike. Deiphobus was the man of forceful action[…] Malalas, Chronographia: above average stature, keen-eyed, somewhat snub-nosed, dark-skinned, flat-faced, brave, good beard. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: with a large face, with a small nose and dark skin, beautiful face and well-bearded.

Helenos Dares: Helenus […] looked like [his] father, but [his] character(s) were not alike. […] Helenus was the gentle, learned prophet. Malalas, Chronographia: tall, well set up, white, strong, blond, wine-colored eyes, long-nosed, incipient beard, slightly stooped, sensible, warrior. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: well-adapted, tall, with the beard just sprouting, white, blond, with a big nose and a pale face. He had a soft back, he could escape notice of many.

Troilos Dares: a large and handsome boy, was strong for his age, brave, and eager for glory. Malalas, Chronographia: big, good nose, dark, good eyes, black hair, thick beard, strong warrior and runner. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: big, of quick feet and dark skin, with a delightful face, shaggy-bearded and with long hair.

Kassandra The Iliad: like to golden Aphrodite Dares: moderate stature, round-mouthed, and auburn-haired. Her eyes flashed. She knew the future. Malalas, Chronographia: shortish, round-faced, white, mannish figure, good nose, good eyes, dark pupils, blondish, curly, good neck, bulky breasts, small feet, calm, noble, priestly, an accurate prophet foreseeing everything, practicing hard, virgin. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: a small bodily frame, like of a man, whiter than the milk with perfectly round eyes, she had huge breasts, a small face and she was gentle.

Polyxena Dares: fair, tall, and beautiful. Her neck was slender, her eyes lovely her hair blond and long, her body well-proportioned, her fingers tapering, her legs straight, and her feet the best. Surpassing all the others in beauty, she remained a completely ingenuous and kind-hearted woman. Malalas, Chronographia: tall, pure, very white, large-eyed, black-haired, with her hair worn long behind, a good nose and cheeks, blooming-lipped, small-footed, virgin, charming, very beautiful, 18 years old when they killed her. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: a beautiful aspect and a really long neck; she was tall and white; She had small feet, beautiful breasts and lips like flowers, so outstanding. She was eighteen years old, the age of the youth.

Laodike The Iliad: the most outstanding in beauty of [Hecuba's/Priam's] daughters.

Aeneas Dares: auburn-haired, stocky, eloquent, courteous, prudent, pious, and charming. His eyes were black and twinkling. Philostratus, Heroicus: [Hektor and Aeneas] were both of the same age and height, and although Aeneas's appearance seemed less radiant, he resembled Hektor more when that man had settled down, and he wore his hair long without offense. He did not adorn his hair, nor was he enslaved to it. Instead, he made virtue alone his adornment, and he looked at things so vehemently that even his glance itself was sufficient against the unruly. Malalas, Chronographia: shortish, thick, good chest, strong, ruddy, flat-faced, good nose, pale, balding, good beard. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: short but fat and had a big chest. He had white skin; he was bold with a large face.

Antenor Dares: tall, graceful, swift, crafty, and cautious. Malalas, Chronographia: tall, thin, white, blond, small-eyed, hook-nosed, crafty, cowardly, secure, a story-teller, eloquent. Tzetzes, Posthomerica: tall, slim and had the skin like the milk, white, with a curved nose and blond hair.

Euphorbos The Iliad: His hair gets compared to the Graces' hair. Philostratus, Heroicus: His hair […] he dyed golden-yellow […] He says that his beauty charmed even the Achaeans, for he resembled a statue whenever Apollo appears his own most lovely self with unshorn hair and grace. Protesilaos thinks that Euphorbus was his own age [adolescent]

Briseis/Hippodamia The Iliad: like to golden Aphrodite, a woman like the immortal goddesses Dares: beautiful. She was small and blond, with soft yellow hair. Her eyebrows were joined above her lovely eyes. Her body was well-proportioned. She was charming, friendly, modest, ingenuous, and pious. Malalas, Chronographia: tall, fair, beautiful-breasted, well-dressed, with close-knit eyebrows, a good nose, big eyes, eyelashes with kohl, curly hair worn long in back, with a ready smile, age 21. Tzetzes, Antehomerica: tall and white, her hair was black and curly; she had beautiful breasts and cheeks and nose; she was, also, well-behaved; her smile was bright, her eyebrows big; […] she was twenty-one years old.

Diomede of Lesbos Malalas, Chronographia: fair-skinned, round-faced, blue-eyed, fully grown, not quite blonde, a little snub-nosed, 22 years old, a virgin.

Chryseis/Astynome Malalas, Chronographia: rather short, slender fair, blonde, with a nice nose, small breasts, 19 years old. Tzetzes, Antehomerica: very young and thin, with milky skin. She had blond hair and small breasts; she was nineteen years old; she was still a virgin.

[skopsidopsi]

Random Iliad characters as cats

In honorable mention of @chilaquilesheel

Achilles:

Airplane ears are always activated

Patroclus:

He appreciates the pets i promise

Hector:

Menelaus:

Automedon:

Deiphobos:

There is no context needed but i do accept questions. Pls tell me your ideas

Source is pinterest

[chilaquilesheel]

Iliad headcanons even though nobody asked part 2:

Patroclus adores when Achilles is very possessive about him. He enjoys the attention he gets from other men that gift him nice things or thank him for healing them, while Achilles watches like a rabid animal because HOW DARE THEY EVEN LOOK AT HIS PATROCLUS.

Achilles likes to be babied. Don't fight me on this one! Even though he seems on the outside like he is a tough and big warrior, he has an incredibly soft spot for Patroclus overly taking care of him and telling him he did sooo well, as he would tell one of his dogs. Also, he definitely is the worst when he has a man-cold lol

Deiphobos and Hector are absolutely inseparable brothers. As kids, they would not go anywhere without the other and do lots of nonsense. They still play pranks on each other when they're older, and love to gossip about the court and warriors while drinking tea and doing face masks hahah. (Also i'm pretty sure Hector once cut Dei's hair pretty badly even though it was Dei's request)

Peleus and Phoenix definitely had a thing for each other. Phoenix was also exiled and found refuge in the palace with the prince. They are like Achilles and Patroclus if Achilles would have chosen not to go to war and marry in Phthia...

[galusandmalus]

Most underrated Helen of Troy moment.

 "Helen, daughter of Jove and Leda, killed Deiphobus, son of Priam" -Hyginus, Fabulae

i like the idea of helen AND menelaus killing him together.

[babyrdie]

I don't understand how Deiphobus can see Menelaus clearly hating Paris SO MUCH because of Helen and still feel comfortable marrying her. Man, you're going to be the next target!!! Paris almost died by hanging in that duel!!! Aphrodite saved him! Who's going to save you? No one, you're not the darling of any deity! For the love of god, don't marry Helen! You'd probably die anyway, but hey, at least you could die in a less painful way. Honestly, dumb move. The fact that Helenus wants to marry Helen in some versions is also so weird, like, Helenus…you're supposed to be a wise and intelligent guy, why the hell would you want to do such a dumb thing????

(I know that Helen is desired by all, the most beautiful woman, demigoddess of Zeus, etc etc. My aroace ass just can't understand risking so much)

[mt-isnothere12]

i didnt add the more normalized names like helen, penelope, kassandra, or hektor

i didnt add most children of priam bc well…yk why

achean ver

[emmikay]

Helenus: I have a bad feeling about this.

Paris: What do you mean?

Deiphobus: Don't you ever get that little voice in your head that tells you if something is going to get you in trouble?

Paris: No.

Hector: That actually explains so much.

[dilfaeneas]

Local gay man (Deiphobus) doesn't get the hype of the most beautiful woman in the world

[incorrecthomer]

Paris: Hector is choking, I need to call 911 but the 9 button isn't working! Deiphobus: Turn it upside down and use the 6! Paris: Genius! Hector: *stops chocking momentarily* What the fuck.

[myth-and-magic-simblr]

Sons of Troy

cc credit @mrsracooney @procrasimnation @clepysdra

[littlesparklight]

The year Hektor, as well as Paris, got married.

(I, too, wanted to do a lineup of the main Trojan royal family/the children of Priam and Hecuba. So, here it is! Nineteen sons as the Iliad decreed, plus a handful of daughters. Everyone's loosely grouped (or not) according to in which set of multiples they were born. Lore and secrets under the cut.)

I've tried to only use names that either explicitly are called offspring of Priam and Hecuba, or implicitly so by the Iliad saying they're legitimate. The only exception being Chromios and Echemmon, of whom the Iliad doesn't say either way and who in later sources are named as sons of some mother(s) not Hecuba. I've ignored this, prioritising the Iliad's non-specificity. Partly because I'd long since decided they were sons of Priam and Hecuba when I realized that other sources made them not so. Of course, the Iliad doesn't name enough sons, so the rest come (mostly, exception Idaios) from Hyginus' list via cross-referencing with the Bibliotheke, to assure I picked names from the former the latter didn't say were illegitimate.

Everybody's ages and the timeline used does rely on ~5 extra years between Paris coming back with Helen and the Achaeans landing at Troy.

Ilione and Laodike are both already married by this point. I don't think we actually know how Bronze Age proto-Thracians were dressed, so I just tried to deck her out in something a little different from the rest.

Paris gets a white leopard pelt to make it a little more ~extra. The half-wrap sort of thing he's wearing about the hips technically come from a few hundred years later, I think (if I remember correctly), from the neo-Hittite era, but shh.

Eurydike is Aeneas' wife in the Kypria (so, she's equivalent to Kreusa), and though we don't know whether this Eurydike was a daughter of Priam and Hecuba, but I'm going with that she was (as Creusa was made so as well).

I've gone back and forth on how old Polyxena is supposed to be, and initially she has been a twin with Polydoros (mostly because I liked the matching names), but for my latest iteration I went with making her part of another mortal-demigod twin pair with Troilos as often happens, because of how her story intersects with both Troilos and Achilles. You can really see who Troilos' father is. :)

The number of daughters in addition to the Iliad-given nineteen sons have been decided by going by who has been given as Priam and Hecuba's daughter in some source, and then adding on Eurydike to that list.

I do have an alternate arrangement for ages/births (basically to be used in versions of fics that use the funeral games as background for how Paris gets reunified with the rest (when he's 16 instead), which is one where Kassandra would be old enough to have been cursed by Apollo right before Paris comes back, though this one gives the ages for the last year of the war: Hektor, 40 Ilione, Laodike, Antiphos, 38 Helenos and Kassandra, 36.5 Paris, 35 Deiphobos [Kreusa/Eurydike, Pammon and Polites], 34.5 This would also work out to have Deiphobos younger than Helenos, as some versions note as he is a strike against him in his fight over Helen with Helenos, who is said to be older.