#DONT SAY KORRASAMI

[fossilizedhysterics]

guess who finished tlok tonight and immediately had this come to him in a vision!!!!

[alchemiclee]

I hate that whenever there's a gay ship, people immediately het-ify it. people are so obsessed with making one the "man" and one the "woman" when that's completely unnecessary, because they are both the man or the woman. It's extremely annoying. these people will completely mischaracterize a character to fit into their stupid little het roles they force on them.

for example, you don't need to make one man the "wife" and feminized him to the extreme and fit him in a traditional "woman" role so the other man can be the big strong masculine manly man. they can both be masculine or both be feminine or both be both at the same time! they do NOT need to be gendered opposites to fit het roles. crazy, I know! it's like no one considers it a possibility! or sees how good it can be to have them be equals without gendered nonsense.

when there's a gay relationship, you have the perfect opportunity for the couple to stand on equal ground. they get to be equals who are just as strong and just as soft as each other. there's no faulty power dynamics where one is above the other (because let's face it, society unfortunately deems masculinity > femininity). one doesn't need to protect the other. they can protect themsleves, fight aide by side as equals. one doesn't do all the housework. they share that duty equally. one isn't weak and pretty, while they other strong and manly. they both are strong and pretty, or masculine and weak at the same time.

equal relationships are amazing and need to be explored more and appreciated. there can be more understanding and working together. i'm bad at explaining what I mean, but I prefer these equal relationships over forcing them into opposite roles to mirror het relationships, which are usually extremely unbalanced and unequal. especially because these not het relationships! so why must they look like one? they can and should look different! so why does literally every shipper and writer out there make them so het coded?

I don't understand why people do this. do they actually believe all romantic relationships must mimic het ones to exist and thrive and purposely force that on them? or have they genuinely just not fathamed that they can be different and dont need to follow the expected het standards?

I wonder, it feels like no one actually knows how non-het relationships are meant to be and how they could work, since het ones are always forced down our throats since birth. it becomes The Standard that everyone thinks they must follow. maybe it's all people know since they don't see any other possibilities. their preferred dynamics for their ships are what we are taught and nothing different, because they don't know it can be different. i also think people might be obsessed with that whole "opposites attract" trope. but that opposite doesn't have to be the traditional het-fueld feminine vs masculine or wife vs husband characteristics. it can be other personality things like one is loud and one is quiet, one is dumb and one is overly smart, one is rich and one poor, etc. it doesn't have to be masculine vs feminine!

BREAK OUT OF THE HET NORMS!!!!! TEAR DOWN HETERONORMATIVITY!!!!!!!!! FREE THE GAYS

(disclaimer, not saying masculine vs feminine ships are all bad/shouldn't be done ever. but it doesn't need to be 100% of the time either 😅 can't think of one ship people dont do this with lol)

[barblaz-arts]

I think for everything LOK put me and the other sapphics of the world through just to have Korrasami hold hands in the finale the universe owes us a well thought out intentional journey to wenclair

hey cmon now, dont speak about korrasami like that. It was 2014! Before gay marriage was even legal in the US! It was before Ruby and Sapphire's debut as characters in Steven Universe, and before canon confirmation of Bubbline in Adventure Time. It may have only been hand holding, but it was a very ballsy move to pull off in a kid's show airing in a major network. The writing for the show in general was a lil wonky in the first place because of outside forces. the show runners did what they could get away with. Of course we wouldn't be able to get Korra and Asami making out at the end. I'm still thankful for what we got. It was a revolutionary event for LGBT rep in western animation.

(also they have multiple comics about the stuff after the show! the animated series isn't where their story ended)

I get what you're trying to say. I'd love it if Wenclair were written on purpose too. But we don't have to go undermining the canon sapphics that came before to ask for what we want. Representation in media isn't a contest where we look for which did it better and which gave us more. Each one is a stepping stone that gives more opportunity for those who will follow because it is still an uphill battle.

[helphelph]

Rating pjo ships because I've seen a good amount of people doing it lately and it seems fun. But there's a twist!! I used the wackiest rating system imaginable because I'm insane. Have fun.

Percabeth: a hundred hearts out of five blue cookies.

Their dynamic is not only incredibly fun but also they complement each other very well. Honestly, when I first read the books, I didn't really want them to get together because I didn't want another "main guy gets main girl" situation, but they're honestly made for each other.

Jiper: five daggers out of ten great canyons

They were incredibly forced, but honestly not that bad of a ship. They were really cute but I dont have much to say about it.

Valgrace: fifty festus heads out of ten college aus

One of my favorite Jason ships ever. I love me some tragic gays.

Pipabeth: Two goddesses out of fifteen owls

I will ALWAYS support a good wlw ship. And Piper defo had a microcrush on Annabeth while they were on the Argo II. Plus the fanart of them is SO good.

Jercy/Person: twelve riptides out of ten horses

I like reading about it and it's quite fun to think about. Nothing much to say honestly.

Perachel: Ten prophecies out of nine pancakes drowned in syrup

They could have been cute. I dont really ship them though.

Annrachel(is that the name?): three prophecies out of five spiders

Korrasami vibes lmao. I think they're better off as friends but I will read a fanfic if I find an interesting one.

Solangelo: twenty-six skulls out of ten doctors notes

They were written for each other. As in Rick made sure that they were written for each other. I havent read tsats yet and im still on the first toa book so I don't have much on their dynamic. Still I like them and they visually look good together.

Valdangelo: ninety-four automatons out of six pomegranate seeds

They would have been unstoppable I tell you! Unstoppable!! Or maybe I'm biased. Either way they would have been an amazing couple together but Rick was too much of a coward to let them be (boy)friends. (Can you tell I'm biased?)

Jeyna: One bad father out of two older sisters.

UPDATE!!1!1!1 It has come to my attention that Reyna is canonically aroace with no romantic or sexual interest whatsoever so this ship is out of the window.

Jasico: 3/10

Personally I've never seen the hype for them. I like their dynamic a lot but not really in a shipping way. Sorry pjotumblr😔

Pernico: One bathe in the river styx out of thirteen hades figurines

The angst of Nico having a crush in Percy is a good concept to explore. Both in relationships with other characters and Nico's character development. But them being in a relationship together just irks me. It's not entirely problematic(at least i dont think it is? Correct me if im wrong), but still, the age gap makes me uncomfortable.

Ruegard: thirty-seven drakons out of one patrochilles parallel

Like I said, I love me some wlw ships. And while I've never really been a diehard fan of them, the fanart is amazing, so of course i ship them.

Frazel: 6/10

Rick try to make a girl and a boy stay friends challenge(impossible). But jokes aside, the 13-16 gap makes me annoyed. Three years isn't much but it matters in this situation. And it annoys me bacuse I want to like them. They have a cute dynamic but the maturity gap between them kinda gets in the way. That said, I would probably have liked them a lot better if they just stayed friends.

Valzhang: Nine eagles out of twenty hidden bunkers

Like I said before, I will consume almost every ship in a fandom. And if I find good fanfics of them, I will read it because I like exploring different characters' dynamics with each other. It's fun and I honestly think the pjo fandom should chill out a little. The amount of people who put others down for shipping something that isn't canon is way too much. Just let people enjoy their ships.

I think that's all? I didn't include Grover and Juniper because I honestly don't really have any opinions on them. They just exist and it's kinda like Rick just made them canon because he didn't want grover to feel left out. Let me know if there's other ships you'd want me to rate!

[dapper-lil-arts]

I mean, technically speaking, both appledash and rarijack are canon iirc it's just that rarijack is canon to equestria girls, whereas appledash is canon to the main series

(BTW, appledash is one of my top favorite ships :D, rarijack is also really good)

Eh idk, I was raised on borderlands, where characters say theyre gay out loud, talk about ex boyfriends and even get married, so saying "yo they held hands in canon and never called each other girlfriends" Just isn't enough for me. Sure I love roller coaster of friendship, but if someone can deny the fact that they're canon or not (which could easily be done because they only ever hold hands and call each other best friend) then y'know, it feels easy to dismiss, I'd rather have more concrete stuff.

same applies to the appledash thing, like they lightly imply maybe living together, and I'm sorry but that's just not enough for me. They do even less than korrasami in canon, meaning they dont even hold hands before the show abruptly ends lmao. It just doesn't really satisfy!

but hey shipping is like religion. It's all about faith, lmao you don't need proof that god is real. We deserve better though!

[cherry-jamx]

My life is complete after this bingo. Thank you.

Korrasami for ship bingo! (dont do me dirty //jk)

They’re so goooood goofball golden retriever avatar and refined tech genius millionaire?? Yes.

[hauntingofhouses]

hot take time about the mizu and akemi ship. y'all can disagree but i said what i said, because again, it's just an opinion!!!!

putting the rest under a cut so y'all are free to ignore this if you want. i'm just rambling anyway and, again, these are just my personal opinions.

okay like i gotta hand it to blue eye samurai like it's genuinely impressive that they've written their characters so well, like each one of them feels so real and fully-realised

and as a consequence of that, it actually. for the first time ever. has me rooting against a sapphic ship becoming canon endgame LIKE LMAO ???? i didn't think that was POSSIBLE but here we are ???

cuz like if you know me at all you know i usually instantly latch onto any femslash ship at any given opportunity. like i don't think yall understand. i was ride or die for korrasami before it was even remotely a thing, like at that point korrasami was still a CRACK SHIP in the fandom and i was gunning for it immediately and begging them both to leave mako's stupid ass!!!

but SOMEHOW this show, with all its gender fuckery galore and all its well written characters, has somehow made me look at the mizu/akemi ship and say "i'll pass." like dont get me wrong i was pinning my hopes on it initially in the first episode, but by the time i got to the end??? NAH.

like don't get me wrong they ARE cute and sexy on paper and i DO definitely see them developing feelings for each other (mizu towards akemi especially, less so the other way around because akemi just does not strike me as the pining type) but for an endgame? nah. it'd be weird and messy for both of them like!!! they'd be bad for each other!!!

they both want and need completely different things in life (mizu wants vengeance but needs acceptance/belonging; akemi wants freedom but needs autonomy and empowerment).

and they don't even share much in common that would help them bond in a romantic way? like not even interests-wise, but like. personality-wise too. their perceptions of life and approaches and experiences all directly contrast each other. like i know that they're narrative foils and all, which is great, excellent really, but romantically? there is no common ground between them.

besides, of course, both being AFAB and struggling with the patriarchy and misogyny, both having a surrogate father figure who raised them (swordfather for mizu; seki for akemi). aside from those things, they diverge in almost every single way?

like i do get the appeal of the "yin and yang" dynamic of opposites attract in ships (i have so many such ships from other fandoms after all), so i do suppose that, if given enough time for a really long and intense slow burn, it could work. but with all the plot plot plot the show's got going on, i don't know if that's going to be possible, especially now that mizu is ??? apparently going to london ????

and what would their endgame even look like? the two of them running off into the sunset together? why? when akemi has everything she wants and needs in edo palace? which, by the way, is completely the opposite of what mizu wants and needs, as mizu needs a place where she is free to be herself and is accepted and loved for who she is. she does not need, nor want, a life of political intrigue. she is not made for it, nor is it meant for her. akemi, on the other hand, is perfectly suited for such a life, while being completely unsuited for a life on the road, travelling, or living on a farm in the middle of nowhere. nor would akemi like or enjoy such a life either! she'd get freedom, yes, but it would hardly be fulfilling, especially now that she has decided that she wants greatness!

i don't know. if they become canon endgame, the show better put in the work. because this is a netflix adult animated show with the freedom to do that (unlike, say, cartoons on nickelodeon and disney where the creators all faced heavy censorship to get some rep in), so if they're taking the sapphic endgame route, they better buck up and put their backs into it because seeing the state of it right now, the chemistry is bone-dry and the prospects are disastrous!!!!

so until further developments prove me wrong and change my mind, every time i see mizu/akemi content somehow escape the confines of the mute function, i just reenact the gengar gay wrongs gif:

[redsanji]

citing the genders involved of a ship has always been a bad argument same sex ships shouldnt be defended just because they are same sex ships

saying but korrasami is the only same sex ship in lok or the first one is not a valid argument for korrasami.

korrasami is a bad product thrown in at the last minute at the cost of breaking the narrative forcing two people who were barely friends and barely interacted together.

(there was plenty of time they could have shown being close in b4 but that didnt happen ( i am not talking about a kiss) and while mako supported korra and talked about korra as a person asami failed in helping her

in the last two minutes korra was ooc

there have been too many times where a show gets defended because the decision they made was " progressive" where a ship gets defended because its same sex and they cite the genders involved.

Its funny how many times I see it either with bb or with korrasami where they claim if you dont ship it you are homophobic that you dont care about the lgbt community if you dont support korrasami " the only same sex ship in lok/first same sex ship in animated show involving an mc.

when they are the ones who try to cite the genders involved when ever they try to talk about korrasami/bb or defend it from criticism and try to attack the person attacking it by claiming homophobia.

especially with bb since if anything they are the ones who attacked blacksun for being a m/f ship and calling it forced due to being het

( I have seen them go but there are tons of feasible f/f ships and yet they are teasing the main girl with a guy when I am sorry but it doesnt matter if there are feasable same sex ships the writers arent obligated to make that happen.

and that just points to the idea that their only issue with blacksun was sun being a guy since they had to cite the genders involved.

that was the first thing they cited

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and in bb's case they repeatedly made accusations of homophobia if you didnt see evidence for bb or acted like if you shipped blacksun instead of bb it was just because sun was a guy .

(its funny they shipped bb when the trailers first came out while blacksun only began due to their observed interactions in v1 which hinted at romance ( suns introduction was a lowmotion

Sun’s wink is accompanied by a slow-mo pan of his expression, followed by the camera focusing on Blake’s slack-jawed attention, along with a literal choir singing in the background while she stares at him. This is his introduction— to Blake, but more importantly, to the audience. This is the first moment we properly meet him, and it’s through this very particular gaze.

and we see sun actually helping blake ( while yang didnt interact with blake until v2.)

seriously do you not understand ship wars are a thing in every fndm

them jumping on the homophobia accusations seem to be them convincing themselves that the only reason someone could oppose that same sex ship was not liking gay people.

They think that because there arent that many same sex ships anyone who is okay with lgbt rep would support any same sex ship being canon or that its immune from being forced

someone can be gay and still support makorra over bb

no ship deserves automatic support just because of the genders/identities involved

nor does the genders involved mean you shouldnt oppose the ship

in a ship war between a m/f ship and a f/f ship saying the m/f shiip should have happened/had actual evidence not the f/f ship ( saying its a forced last minute retcon etc)

isnt homophobia or not caring about the lgbt community the point is about the writing

it doesnt matter that getting rid of k/a means there arent any canon same sex ships in lok

supporting a ship between two white people over a ship between a black man and a white woman isnt automatically racism it means you feel the other ship makes sense

jumping on the racism accusation is just a cheap tactic

I feel like when it comes to ship wars where there is a difference in identity between the two ships

like one ship being a same sex ship and the other being. A het ship

they either genuinely convinced themselves that anyone who would support a ship which happens to be m/f over a ship that happens to be f/f and say the f/f ship has no actual evidence etc

can only be doing it because of homophobia rather then because they don’t see any actual evidence and like the ship more.

or the accusations of homophobia are just a cudgel /shield for their ship where they try to protect itself from criticism and attack critics.

(In a situation where they threw in a ship in the last minute retconning stuff etc and this ship happens to be f/f it doesn’t matter if it’s the only same sex ship that isn’t a reasoning to support it there doesn’t need to be a canon same sex ship what the story needs is good writing. A ship shouldn’t be defended for meeting a criteria

and they try to make the you would ship it if it was a m/f ship but that’s often baseless accusations while there is evidence they would have supported the m/f ship of it was f/f given the times they complain about the genders involved

Or one ship

[captaindarksword]

I have to be frank the whole how could you be against korrasami its the only same sex ship in lok or the first canon same sex ship involving mc’s kind of shows to me that they understand on a deep level that korrasami was badly written that it had no buildup.

since they have to rely on the uniqueness ( the fact there wasnt a same sex ship involving a mc before)

to try and deflect criticism . when the fact its the only canon same sex ship in lok and the first canon same sex ship  involving mc is irrelevant for its a forced ship that shouldnt have happened . 

If i were to make one wish  to change lok it would be the last minute retcon korrasami didnt happen because the fact that its the first canon same sex ship involving mc should not be the reason why people support it.

korra nd asami were barely friends they barely interacted with each other censorship doesnt explain what happened with them. and korrasami shippers just took any positive interaction between them and claimed it was evidence and they take any moment and over play/hype/exaggerate along with infusing headcanons as if they were fact.

1. I recall someone claiming that korra chose asami to help her in b3 when nothing shows that 

2. they claimed that korra sent asami multiple letters when its implied its only one letter

3/ they pretend that korra sending asami a letter (she wouldnt have read the letter asami sent back so it would be more like korra venting in a letter which is easier to do then talking one to one .(from experience )  ) means asami is closer to her than the others when it doesnt . people can say stuff to someone they arent as close to because they felt that they would understand better saw an example of this from an anon on a different post,  or they didnt 

4. asami has never shown the ability to support korra the way she needed to tenzin and mako have heck in remembrances asami the one moment we had to see her try and support korra she failed she went youre the avatar of course we need you while tenzin succeded by bringing up korra as a person and mako got a whole speech about how he feels about korra the person. and cares about korra who she is and wouldnt bring up korra being the avatar as why he needs korra.

and  mako supported korra the way she needed to when she went off to confront zaheer and given their personalities mako would be the only one who would have done this

6. korra and asami barely interacted in b4 censorship doesnt explain that

7.  people try to go if it was a het ship you would see it when no ,  if korra/asami was a guy no one would ship korrasami, while people wouldship makorra even if one of  them were genderbent.

8.    on the blush that isnt romantic evidence she blushed at bolin complimenting her as well and she didnt have romantic feelings for him ( she was just in a sad/negative state

at best you could say maybe male asami hada crush on korra ( since with friendships between men and women dont really include compliments while two girls being friends can compliment each others appearance without it being romantic. while if two guys did that people would make gay jokes while two girls complimenting each others looks is considered normal.

( guys tend to avoid being too intimate/close with their guy friends do to not wanting to be seen as gay 

while two girls being friends dont have this problem

 alot of people ignore that to just go if one of them was gender swapped

“You can’t just port the actions of a female character over to her Rule 63 equivalent without alteration and expect it to mean anything.  Male!Asami never would have been helping Korra get dressed in the first place, and he probably wouldn’t have gotten a letter, either.  And portraying platonic male-female friendships without romantic undertones is a ridiculous tightwalk that doesn’t allow for compliments about appearance in the way female-female friendships do.

You can’t just port the actions of a female character over to her Rule 63 equivalent without alteration and expect it to mean anything.  Male!Asami never would have been helping Korra get dressed in the first place, and he probably wouldn’t have gotten a letter, either.  And portraying platonic male-female friendships without romantic undertones is a ridiculous tightwalk that doesn’t allow for compliments about appearance in the way female-female friendships do.

Build up requires, you know, building up.  Korra and Asami only had personal conversations in eight episodes out of the 26 that made up Books 3 and 4, and their amount of direct conversation tanked between the two Books, with Book 3’s five direct plot-related conversations dropping to zero in Book 4.  Since episodes with group conversations held steady at two, that means that episodes with any conversations between the two at all dropped from 11 to 6.  That’s… basically the opposite of buildup.  (And, for reference, Book 1 had nine episodes that dealt with Mako and Korra’s relationship directly, which is more than Korra and Asami had in both Books 3 and 4.)

If the show wanted to portray Asami as Korra’s closest friend and confidant, it should have found a way to make it seem like Korra actually valued Asami as such instead of just having her react to Asami pushing to do stuff or help her in almost every instance.  =P  Male!Asami would have probably read as a pushy Nice Guy if things played out the same way.

K/A wasn’t intended to salvage the show, no (and Bryke didn’t seem to want to continue past Book 4 anyway).  Given Bryan’s post, it’s far more likely that it was intended to salvage Bryke’s conscience.

Shippers base speculation on ridiculously limited evidence regardless of gender, particularly when the characters involved are attractive.  That doesn’t mean that shows actually expect their viewers to see something like Kuvira and Tonraq looking at each other as romantic.  =P

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9. to be frank if asami was a guy I doubt male asami would be the one to help korra get dressed given their lacking relationship

( dont give me but korrasami was more popular as an argument to it having evidence or being planned zutara was more popular then kataang.)

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[waffliesinyoface]

things i liked in Legend of Korra:

Korra - she's a fun protagonist in her own right but she's also good because of her contrast to aang. The establishing shot of her at age, like, 3, realizing that she can shoot fire from her hands and yelling "IM THE AVATAR" while her parents actively age a dozen years from sheer stress is golden. I like that airbending takes her the longest to figure out specifically because she doesnt understand the concept of not attacking things.

Tenzin - i am a sucker for the grumpy old man with a soft heart archetype. also i like that scene in season 3 where zaheer is like "now im an airbender and i'm definitely a match for this old monk" and tenzin promptly slams him into the walls. The old guy is ALWAYS the most dangerous character in a martial arts movie, dummy.

Tenzin's kids: i dont remember much about them but i remember them being funny. The contrast between Tenzin who is trying very hard to live up to the expectations of Aang and be a Serious Airbending Monk and the kids' innate instinct to be brats is good.

Season 2 in general is a hot mess and the flashback to The First Avatar is no exception because it does fuck with the established timeline and it sort of retcons the lore for the earth kingdom and water tribes, and the worldbuilding is kind of iffy... BUT... it was a cool idea. They at least tried to do something interesting. People living on lion turtles is neat. Spirits who can and will fuck with humans because theyre there is good.

Kuvira's design and initial characterization - hot lady with big eyebrows and a sharp uniform and a smug expression who announces that shes overthrowing the useless king by crushing his crown in front of him. god. i was downbad. unfortunately this was spoilt by A: mako, korra, and the show in general going "no the useless boy king DESERVES to be in charge :(" and B: by *checks notes* having kuvira's plans involve detonating several magical nuclear weapons...? no, that cant be right, that would be stupid...

I will begrudgingly say that korrasami being canon was nice because it was a very visible gay relationship. I just wish asami had been like. halfway interesting as a character.

Things i didnt like:

basically everything else, whoops

[viviyaan]

I honestly dont like Mako x Asami or Mako x Korra like no offense to anyone who does like the ships but honestly they’re both kinda toxic, first mako basically cheats on asami with korra, I know that korra had kissed him first, she was wrong for that and apologized to mako and bolin, unlike mako who continues to act as if everythings normal and that the kiss never happened, he flirts with korra continuously while dating asami, and gets into fights with korra when they started dating, never trying to understand her side of the story, then breaks up with her and when she looses her memory about the fight, he lies to her about it and says it’s fine and while korra was gone mako kissed ASAMI?? how does this man fumble so bad? Though I do not hate mako he was just way too much of a dick to his gfs for most of the show soo…KORRASAMI FOR LIFE!!!! 💪💪💪💪💪

[raisinchallah]

ok my theoretical ideas for femslash poll.. legacy tumblr era stuff swan queen the fact they keep getting forgotten is so insane to me like they were IT that show was so fucking bad but regina was IT gelphie a bit of an out of left field on but like it is real brittana as a tip of the hat to santanas IMPACT karmy faking it because faking it was a social experiment we need to admire from a distance with hazmat suits... also thinking about this bad poll i saw that put like fucking princess peach and daisy on there which hsa no femslash footprint i think u just invented that but like if we are being honest to tumblr maybe we gotta put ruby and sapphire from steven universe on there u know like they had an impact i realize talking about steven universe on this website is somehow like scary but that cannot erase their impact and then i think because i do not want to give it all to the carmilla webseries but like they were impactful in that era i think more like collage of every version of laura and carmilla throughout time korrasami OF COURSE bubbline duh! rosemary and vrisrezi for me specifically but it can be narrowed down to simply rosemary then like 90s femslash pioneers xena and gabrielle of course of course idk if it would be funny for me but i dont think theres enough xena fans to vote here to put multiple slots on there like gabrielle/aphrodite or callisto/xena or something but i know those warriors are out there now the next question is the star trek girlies cuz i think kiradax is the most popular on tumblr but seven/janeway is legacy but i dont care about it then theres weird more niche stuff like michael/georgiou or you know the absolute pioneers making the first femslash zines out there with like chapel/uhura their minds in the 70s but back to 90s icons i feel like some buffy option should be there for again posterity idk if u go with willow/tara or buffy/faith but whatever they are out there and then for meeee talia and susan from b5 tho they would get mercilessly destroyed in the first round love loses then like anime girlies anthy and utena of course of course also 90s icons haruka and michiru duuuh madoka and homura of course nana and nana maybe some niche or out of left field options too tho something that could stand a fighting chance would be like misato/ritusko from evangelion or like you know as a shoutout to lesbian shounen rivals besties jolyne and hermes from jojo part 6 but these are just like from things people have actually heard of fadsjkl;ds ok then like video game girlies i say as i pretend to know about video games but love and respect towards alphys and undyne and then idk i think it would be funny to throw something kinda silly like chell/glados in there cuz idk anything about that but i respect them so much like idk maybe the evil computer flooding your room with neurotoxin is gay #equality ok actually this is getting so long and bad and i can still think of a million more things to add but i wanna draw goodbye for now

[shadowfiredemonwolf]

on the shipping wars between same sex ships and het ships

same sex ships arent exempt from being forced or badly written being same sex doesnt make it better then the het ship . the fact that there are only a few canon same sex ships doesnt make the same sex ship more deserving of being canon

someone shipping the het ship over the same sex ship or saying the same sex ship like say korrasami is forced  isnt homophobia

they wouldnt ship it even if it were het ship 

the attempt to spout that nonsense that they would ship the same sex ship if it was het is just a baseless claim to pretend there is a bias  rather then there just being no evidence by claiming they are bigots 

I mean shipping goggles is a trope for a reason people find evidence where there is none

not to mention people could flip it on them to say they ship the same sex ship because its a same sex ship they wouldnt ship it if it was a het ship given that their arguments include

1. but there arent any same sex ships canon in the show or there arent many same sex ships which is outright them using the genders involved as a reasoning   none of what they claimed matters or changes the fact there wasnt evidence for it   

2. or they outright complained about the show teasing a het ship going there are plenty of optional same sex ships which shows that  they are projecting when they say people dont ship their same sex ship because ofthe genders involved that if it was het they would ship it . because they would support the ship the show was teasing that they complained about  if it was same sex

lgbt rep isnt important in whether a ship becomes canon only the writing

same sex ships arent exempt from criticism if you claim that people shouldnt call a same sex ship forced  or claim its just due to genders involved you dont get to ever claim a het ship is forced or complain if the het ship becomes canon instead of the popular same sex ship

I saw someone complaining about  poison ivy x harley ,  korrasami and bb getting called forced and claim that all 3 ships being called forced is somehow proof its just due to genders involved ignoring that   

1 this type of ship wars nonsense happens in any ship war look at kataang vs zutara etc 

2. its not like every person who said one is forced says so about the other 2  or someone who says that say korrasami and bb are forced/reeked of direction change ( throwing away years of buildup to suddenly start teasing a  popular same sex ship) says so about poison ivy x harley

3 its not like say  if makorra got back together in b4 ( which the narrative pointed to ) and bb never started to be romantically teased in v7 and blacksun became canon  happened  korrasami and bb  wouldnt get mad and claim queerbaiting  I cold go well that shows its just about the fact het ship became canon instead of the same sex ship  

I never watched the harley quinn show

next time a het ship happens instead of a popular same sex ship the people who get mad and claim homophobia should be quiet  for its hypocritical to tell the people who ship the het ship that we should accept it.

when they wouldnt and the reasons we point out is actual writing  as to why it isnt forced rather then trying to get people to be quiet by going muh representation

 but there are hardly any same sex ships that become canon

but popularity ( and anyone who complain about reylo ship or zutara  etc dont have a place to argue given that reylo and zutara were the most popular ships   in the series)

[frankieburieshisdead]

A - BakuDeku, Sladick, Korrasami, Superbat, Harlivy, DickMidnighter, DianaHarly etc...

B - Superbat actually. I can thank @superbattrash for that, and @eliemo. I followed both of their blogs obsessively when I first joined Tumblr, love their work.

C - Brudick. I'm not even that intense about batcest ships I just hate this one.

D - Honestly I wish I was into Tododeku but I just can't get into it which is hilarious because one of my favourite fics is Todobakudeku.

E - I posted a Bizzaro/Tim fic to AO3 a while ago. I dont know if that would count as a crack ship or just a rare one.

F - 5 years in the Batfamily fandom and counting

G - I have! My first was probably Harringrove, which still has a place for me. Right now it's probably Superbat which seems like the natural progression.

H - I've got to say shows/comics. A lot has to do with the fandoms I predominantly socialize in but I have to say there's something charming about the visual medium because it leaves a lot of guess work. Unlike books, you have to sort of figure out what's going on behind the character, what their childhood was like, what their favorite colour is. Plot based or even episodic shows are best for this imo.

I - Nope.

J - Probably One Piece. I'm still not that into it but I like seeing the relevant posts every now and then.

K - Basic bitch answer but probably Jason Todd/Dick Grayson. Jason in the more obvious on the nose development and Dick with a similar but kind of more subtle thing. Idk they're just my little guys I love them.

L - Tony Stark is an interesting take on the rich guy dilemma, in that he is /gen playboy Bruce Wayne. I dont hate him but he's not for me.

M - Duke Thomas. He just seems like he'd be good at explaining what order to watch Gundam to me.

N - 1. Fanfics who's storyline focuses on the numerous black DC characters we have. 2. F/F ships that don't take backseat to the main M/M ship. Polyships like omg there is so much material in the superworld why aren't we on this guys.

O - "I'm not in love" - Kelsey Lu (I just pressed shuffle on my liked songs) This is BatCat for me especially with the "You're just a silly phase I'm going through" in this tone that tells the listener she doesn't mean it. Ugh I love this remaster.

P - MHA - military AU. I think it would be so cool to see the Hero/Quirk thing remade into a military setting, with the different denominations like Navy or whatever. If anyone knows any fics along these lines pls lmk it sounds so fun.

Q - Stranger things fandom because the Zionism just runs too deep for me to be an active participant anymore.

R - I love the friendship between Tulip and Mirror Tulip in Infinity train idk why it just stuck with me.

S - Green Arrow and Black Canary actually have an extremely unhappy marriage. They got together too young and now spend a lot of their time trying to avoid the issue of the fact that they don't actually like each other, or at least who they have grown into. This is sometimes touched on a little bit in cannon but it's generally agreed that the two are deeply in love with each other, which I for some reason disagree with.

T - Dick Grayson as an older sister. Every kind of older sister. The cool one who brings home boyfriends that the younger siblings crush on. The anxiously attached one who tries to hold the family together by the skin of their teeth. Dick Grayson is every older sister ever, and was written for women who had to raise their younger siblings.

U - Hal Jordan - I love this man and can probably genuinely say he is my favorite DC character, which is hilarious because I never talk about him. He was my childhood comic book fave and I keep him close to me still. Next is Iida Tenya from My Hero Academia. I live for the prefect nerd character in every show and he fit that archetype so perfectly except he's also built like a shit brick house which is yum. Last is Adam Parish from the Raven Cycle for what I consider obvious reasons.

V - Probably Nate Jacobs from Euphoria. I hate saying that but he is genuinely the most relatable character I have come across in recent years, which I get doesn't reflect well on me. The concept of this person who has experienced niche taboos from a very young age and grew up to be very angry because of it is not passed on me.

W - I hate it when female character who is stereotypically into feminism is seen as this really annoying out of touch character, whilst their busty counterparts are set up as an ideal. Also low key incest tension. Both of which are rife in anime fandoms all over this app.

X - I love a pathetic little sad guy who is hopelessly in love with a self assured confident guy. I'll eat this up forever and always.

Y - Fucking Bungo Stray dogs which I hate but for some reason has my people in a vice like grip.

Z - Uh...uh... the new DCAMU is objectively better but I really miss the old frame copy comic book movies and I'm sad they're era has ended

A - Ships that you currently like a lot. (They don’t have to be OTPs because not everyone has OTPs.) Friendships, pairings, threesomes, etc. are allowed.

B - A pairing–platonic, romantic or sexual–that you initially didn’t consider, but someone changed your mind.

C - A ship you have never liked and probably never will.

D - A pairing you wish you liked but just can’t.

E - Have you added anything cracky/hilarious to your fandom? If so, what?

F - What’s the longest you’ve ever been in a fandom?

G - Have you ever had an OTP? If so, do you remember your first one? Who was in it?

H - What is your favorite source text for fandom stuff (e.g., TV shows, movies, books, anime, Western animation, etc.)?

I - Has Tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why?

J - Name a fandom you didn’t think about until you saw it all over Tumblr. (You don’t have to care about it or follow it; it just has to be something that Tumblr made you aware of.)

K - What character has your favorite development arc/the best development arc?

L - Say something genuinely nice about a character who isn’t one of your faves. (Characters you’re neutral about are fair game, as are characters you merely dislike. Characters that you absolutely loathe with the fire of ten thousand suns are exempt, as there is no point in giving yourself an aneurysm over a character that you hate.)

M - Name a character that you’d like to have for a friend.

N - Name three things you wish you saw more or in your main fandom (or a fandom of choice).

O - Choose a song at random. Which ship or character does it remind you of?

P - Invent a random AU for any fandom (we always need more ideas).

Q - A fandom you’ve abandoned and why.

R - Which friendship/platonic relationship is your favorite in fandom?

S - Show us an example of your personal headcanon (prompts optional but encouraged)

T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending? 

U - Three favorite characters from three different fandoms, and why they’re your favorites.

V - Which character do you relate to most?

W - A trope which you are virtually certain to hate in any fandom.

X - A trope which you are almost certain to love in any fandom.

Y - What are your secondhand fandoms (i.e., fandoms you aren’t in personally but are tangentially familiar with because your friends/people on your dash are in them)?

Z - Just ramble about something fan-related, go go go! (Prompts optional but encouraged.)

[loopy777]

I was kinda joking, but honestly this entire back and forth has been facinating.

Because there IS a divide within the fandom between those that looks at the ending the way i've described it all, with reactions ranging "this is dumb, to "fucking terrible, breaks the themes of the series wide open", and those who dont who generally think it was somewhere vbtween average, to okay, to amazing.

They just dont see it and think the other side hating it are making a mountain out of a molehill, or seeing things that arent there.

But its not like the people who hate the ending are some fringe minority either, as from what i've seen it could be anywhere from 10% to half the readership, its kinda hard to get an exact gauge, other than it seems to be a huge section of the fandom.

So clearly the issues they see is something that ressonated(in a negative way) with a lot of people, while others just arent able to see it this way, and gets anywhere from confused(you) to angry(i had one guy yesterdays who essentially called me a uncultured swine incapable of good story analysis) when exposed to this viewpoint.

I honestly find that a rather facinating divide.

Well, I'm not engaged much with the anime fandom, but from what I've heard, the MHA fandom is considered especially toxic. I don't know if that leads to this kind of nitpicking, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I've personally always made it a specific policy, even when I absolutely loathe the work in question, to avoid nitpicking (and personal attacks on the creators). I could dissect Gene Yang's AtLA comics panel-by-panel finding something to complain about, if I wanted, and I'm pretty sure there would have been an audience for that back when they were coming out. But I refrained and stuck to criticisms of problems that come together to bring the work down as a whole. I also make a point of calling out stuff I like in my critiques, even if it's minor, and try not to turn it into a backhanded compliment (but I admit I might not succeed at that last goal consistently).

I'm not saying this to congratulate myself or anything like that. I just feel like staying above that level of toxicity makes for a much healthier, productive, and informative atmosphere. I'm not saying it's more engaging, because Hating is a lot of fun in its own way and I suspect that's why it eventually becomes self-sustaining, but Hating also burns a lot of energy, and I'd rather be lazy.

Anyway, I guess I'm saying not to put too much stock into fandom reaction. I mean, going by the fandom reaction to LoK's finale, the last-minute Korrasami was the biggest writing failure in the entire show, and that ain't even close to true. And now it's considered the best part of the entire series, but I don't think anyone is arguing that the writing around it somehow became good since it aired. ;)

[orangepanic]

remember when u were rating LoK ships?

OMG WHY IS THE WHOLE TEAM AVATAR CONECTED TO OPAL!?!?! BOLIN AND OPAL ARE THE CUTESTTT AND LONG LIVE MAKORRAAAAAAAAA AND BOO KORRASAMI!!!! AND WHY ARE U THINKING LIN IS GAY??? THATS JUST COLD. SO COLD.

Sry for all caps im just passionate abt makorra hope u change ur mind abt Mako and Opal! Pls dont put them together. Its just not natural.

Sincerely, A Makorra Fan 💖💞💖

I'm not entirely sure what this is referencing?

To my knowledge I've never rated LOK ships. I have some that I like more than others, but that's just my own tastes and opinions. It's not like I think any are objectively bad or good. Shipping is all about what you like to see personally and your own interpretations of the characters. Even ships I personally don't like I don't think are "bad" ships. I just don't care for them. Any rating would just be my own tastes, like saying I like tilapia more than mackerel. And if I occasionally say Irosami is the best ship I hope people know I mean the best ship for me.

Comparatively I've written Bopal way more than Makopal, too, which I think appears as a background ship in two fics? So you really have nothing to worry about there. Makorra is actually the second most common ship on my AO3.

I've never written Lin as gay nor claimed her to be. Kyalin is a fine ship and there's nothing wrong with that headcanon but I've only written her with men myself. Bumi, Zolt, Mako. So I don't know where you got that from.

You know I love my rare pairs though so you should expect me to shake up common pairings just for the hell of it. That's how I roll. Anything you don't like, go ahead and skip! There's plenty of Makorra, too.