#DO I GO BACK TO REDDIT??
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that's it. i've reached the end. there is no more tumblr. the bar is at the bottom.
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u/hot_pilot84 • 2d ago
MY (40M) BOYFRIEND? (33M) IS IN LOVE WITH HIS BEST FRIEND (36M) AND IM THE THIRD WHEEL
I'm new to this reddit stuff, but a coworker suggested it, and I thought I'd give it a try. I probably should start saying he's not really my boyfriend??? We just started dating a few weeks ago, and it's been... interesting. But I really like him and he is a nice, sweet guy.
He recently came out, so I've been trying to be patient and understanding. But recently it's been hard to spend any time alone because his best friend is always there.
Now, I also like the guy, so I don't really mind, and to be honest, I kinda suspected from the first moment they were in love with each other. They both talk about each other all the time, and when we hang out together, I can't help but feel like intruding on an intimate moment I shouldn't be part of.
Like, our second date was at his sister's wedding and the best friend spent most of the time glued to our side. He has a son who my date adores, so they danced together for most of the party as well. It was cute, but again: it felt like intruding on a private moment.
Then we had a relaxing night at his place, eating take out on his couch and watching a movie.... when the best friend just, came in. No notice, no knocking. He has a key to the place and he just walked in. It was awkward at first but we insisted it wasn't a big deal so he stayed for tge rest of the night.
By the time I was leaving, my date was telling him to just get comfortable on the couch.
Another thing is. My date? Situationship? I don't know how to call it anymore. Well, I recently found out that he is the legal guardian of his best friend 's kid? In case anything happens? I wouldn’t find this weird at all if it wasn't for the fact this man has parents and sisters and other close family members that also have a less chance of dying along with him on the job. (They work together.)
Also. Recently, the best friend broke up with his girlfiend and called this guy in the middle of our date. So, he crashed again.
All of this to say, I'm not really hurt? This was new and sure, I like the guy. But to be honest my expectations were low. This is fairly recent, so it's not like my heart is broken and I just lost the love of my life. No, that's not the problem.
I just don't think these two know they're in love with each other, and it’s starting to get really uncomfortable for me. Should I say something? Should I talk with my date about it or just break things off and keep it vague, but that we should still be friends? Should I talk with both of them at the same time and confront the situation?
This is a situation I don't even know how to begin to get a handle on. Does anyone know where I should start?
rctherpcliarredditor • commented 1d ago
to be honest, i don't really have any advice for you. i just find this gay drama really hilarious. thoughts and prayers for you, my man 🙏🏼🙏🏼
twohottakes • commented 6hrs ago
definitely have a conversation alone with your date. point all of this out to him and tell him you don't wanna get in the middle if there's deeper feelings involved for someone else. all the luck to you, man!
storyreddit23 • commented 2hrs ago
talk to ur date!! and pls, post an update if u do. i wanna know how this ends.
#this is so silly#but im sick and this is the best i can do rn ig#eventually i will go back to my wips#reddit au#ig#tommy kinard#evan buckley#eddie diaz#bucktommy#??? kinda#buddie#buck x eddie#911 abc#911 on abc#my writing#april writes#buddie fic
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I love it when women hate men. I love it when women are allowed to vent to each other about how horrible and creepy men are. I love it when women form friendships with and prioritize each other over relationships with men(whether they're attracted to them or not). I love it when women put men dni in their bios and on their nude photos and on posts on their blogs. I love it when women refuse to mollycoddle and accommodate entitled male feelings with "but this doesn't mean I hate all men, I know a few men who are great, I love my father/sons/brothers/uncles/male cousins/guy friends" I love it when women complain about men WITHOUT "not all men" being a disclaimer. I love it when women avoid socializing with/refuse to be around/befriend/get close to men because they know men can't be trusted. I love it when women make "kill all men" jokes. I love it when women offer absolutely no concern or care for men's feelings and if their misandry offends men whatsoever because why should we, men are the oppressor class who have raped and killed and abused us and kept us as subjugated as second-class citizens for millennia, they regularly mistreat us and the women in their own marginalized communities still every single day and make this world so much harder and more awful for us to be in, and if we choose to hate them and not spare them any sympathy then so be it, and I don't just mean "men as a class" either, you can be a woman who doesn't want to have anything to do with any man on an individual basis and completely cuts off men from her personal life too and ykw I will love and fucking support you in that because men deserve absolutely NOTHING from us. If they're so tough and strong then they can handle it just like they can handle being lonely. If you are a woman who hates men, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A LESBIAN AND/OR A TRANS WOMAN, then just know that I love you. I love you, I support you, and you are safe here.
#was going to make a post about how much i hate that women aren't allowed to hate their oppressors but i decided to spin it into something#positive instead#this is supposed to be the feminist site that makes reddit mgtow piss their baby diapers so let's go back to despising men and not coddling#their feelings and let's dye our hair blue while we're at it#i am so tired of this new wave of guilt-tripping and gaslighting women who hate men and don't trust or want to be around them#i hate how we're made into villainesses or the problematic ones for not valuing them in our lives or for wanting to guard ourselves or be#safe from our oppressors#and i'm tired of people who don't know the first thing about feminism being like 'BUT THAT'S TERF RHETORIC WHAT ABOUT X MINORITY MEN'#guess what women can also be x minority that you're trying to protect the men of and we get to hate men too#trans women are included when i say women btw and trans men are included when i say men#if anyone has the right to hate men more than anybody else it's trans women esp trans lesbians because they put up with so much shit#from men that even cis women do not and they especially know how vile men are behind closed doors#so#terfs fuck off#radfems fuck off#and if anybody tries to make this post more appeasing to men or 'not all men's this post you are getting blocked and hit with a hammer#feminism#misogyny#sexism#patriarchy#tw men#tw rape#tw abuse#misandry#terfs dni#radfems dni#feminists need to go back to being scary and unpalatable for men none of this 'but some of them are good!' bullshit#men are entitled to nothing from us#and if you try to prove me wrong then you are just proving my point if you have nothing good to say then simply keep scrolling#ok? ok.
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hey wait a minute
so it's the start of AvA part 7 and Chosen and Dark are talking, right? and the former has this vision of terrible things happening if they don't stop the latter, right here and now.
they see the ViraBots descending on the last remnants of stick kind with Dark as their leader (or Lord if you will. ha ha) and i, trusting viewer, took their assessment as reliable*. we JUST saw Dark getting uncomfortably violent in earlier scenes after all
but
however
notwithstanding
unless Chosen has demonstrable prophetic powers (like how Orange has** in the past seen things currently happening (horizontally-prophetic let's call it: seeing faraway in the current time) (there's probably a better word for this but let's move on)), how did they know this was definitely what Dark was leading up to?
** ⬆ examples of Orange horizontally-prophesizing in AvM episode 11, SkyBlock (unconfirmed but referenced as, "uh? well maybe??? maybe i didn't think about it yet-" (abridged quote from AvG react video)) (op will die /j /extremely pos if this is used again in AvA 11 (HAH they'd both be episode 11 (op just giggled maniacally)))
Dark doesn't even have his control bracelets on.
because Chosen didn't know about them yet.
because this is not a prophetic vision.
Chosen is just that... reactive. what was it. @compressedrage (hi o/ ) had a good wording let me find it. yeah i guess it was reactionary
the ONLY time we've seen them stop to think things through is actually just a terrified anxiety breakdown while they stand there, frozen, imagining the worst, until they snap out of it JUST in time to impact their reality.
but with no time left for debate. reasoning. they assumed Dark was beyond reasoning from the moment he showed off what his device could do............. because they were beyond reasoning out of fear.
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#okay im not sure about that final phrase after the dots but it sounded epic so i kept it in#*im trying to call up the phrase “unreliable narrator” here#that chosen's instincts weren't accurate. obviously Dark's weapons CAN harm stick figures deeply...#...and when push comes to shove they do (a self-fulfilling prophecy if you will?)...#...but let's look at the ViraBot gun and the portals. one direct-connects (hehe) to IP addresses.#keep in mind Dark didn't know about Alan's new buddies chilling on his PC#the others go to YouTube; Twitter; Reddit; Google; Twitch; Wikipedia; Discord.#these aren't places where stick figures live at all. in some corners of them but not primarily. there's a city RIGHT THERE-!#-but he doesn't care about it. im saying obv it's still not awesome of him to target human-centric websites either-#-did he change tho? if chosen listened long enough to hear him out? was his plan to go back to when cho was having fun too?#i can't know for sure but i sure am having fun thinking about it#alan becker#animator vs animation#ava the chosen one#ava the dark lord#ava orange#ava the second coming#subpixels
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The way fans on the st sub are almost all in agreement Nancy ending up with neither Jon nor Steve wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, and how they can even come up with a sleuth of reasons as to why, honestly pretty valid and fair reasons, but then are absolutely gobsmacked when fans merely speculate something along those lines for El is, quite something.
#el hopper#byler#platonic elmike#stranger things#this is coming from someone who ADORED mileven in s1-2#I literally skipped all of s2 in my rewatch before s3 aired bc I just wanted to see their reunion#then s3 happened#and I was confused at#A LOT of ppl are#and anyone coming to voice that confusion is ran off Reddit like they’re committing a crime#like would it hurt y’all to have some of the same common sense you have for el like you do with Nancy#??#I am more jancy leaning but also I just feel like it’s certain stancy ain’t happening#but I’m also not totally against Nancy wanting to be on her own for a while#maybe they’d imply jancy Will find their way back to each other#maybe they’re teamed up in s5 and wait until the very end to cement that certainty for each other#but I would not hate their stories if Nancy and Jon decided to live their own lives#FOR THEMSELVES#Nancy doing what she wants and loves#Jonathan doing what he wants instead of just doing stuff that helps people around him#and I’m not going to even get into the reasons why el and mike would benefit from living for themselves outside of their relationship#the attachment to the ship is stronger than any sort of attachment to the character#and when the things keeping them together are not strong to begin with…#that attachment is doomed and hard to watch and enjoy like idgi at all#also; all the pro-ronance comments on there getting like 30+ likes??#go ronance I guess??!??#idk if it’s because they think byler actually has a serious possibility while ronance has less build up#so they can sort of play with that idea without actually having to take it seriously…#at least ronance has a positive audience on there#a win is a win I guess 😭🫡
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you ever wanna chew glass
#blah blah#oh reddit#dragon age#dragon age veilguard#datv spoilers#'bali why do you keep going back'#because sometimes it is entertaining!!! i spend a lot of time on boru okay!!!
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There’s something so dystopian about mainstream media and people from both political sides automatically conflating Luigi with the Claims Adjuster despite him still awaiting trial. So many people care only about his looks and want to immediately romanticize and slap a hot face onto such a heroic act to make him seem even “sexier” and now you see him in constant thirst traps and memes and they are even capitalizing off his good looks by selling t-shirts with his face on it with phrases that imply he committed the act (despite him clearly not being able to consent to this). People are prying into his personal life trying to find out who he dated, what kind of person he was romantically, who he would be attracted to (based on details his so-called friends are sharing to thousands of people on the internet) despite, again, him not being able to consent to this. He’s being made into the butt of jokes, his face is plastered on magazines with headlines like “MAKING OF A MURDERER”, documentaries are being whipped up to record the manhunt looking for HIM specifically, not the confirmed Claims Adjuster.
We are watching in real time as somebody who is currently INNOCENT (and I say this because this is how we are supposed to be viewing him as a part of due process… he pled not guilty then we must believe he’s not guilty unless he is proven otherwise) is being successfully scapegoated by the police and is being put in real fucking danger where he’s currently being charged with terrorism and as a federal offense (meaning qualifying for the death penalty should he be convicted). He’s being paraded around in perp walks and constant photoshoots, all to further reinforce this narrative of him as the Adjuster and for the public’s entertainment. The more we conflate the two, the more the police have successfully done their job in framing an innocent man for a high-profile assassination where he is being overcharged. Knowing how much the US protect their wealthy elite, they will do whatever they can to make an example out of him.
Yes, the act was selfless, heroic and morally in the right so regardless if he did commit the act or not, he did nothing wrong. Yes, on top of being smart and cute visually-wise, committing this act would make him a thousand times more sexier. There’s nothing more dreamier than someone who is an intellectual, good looking and was brave enough to take direct action against the system after all. But he said he didn’t so everyone needs to calm down, stop invading his privacy, stop trying to capitalize off his pain and believe him. The more we try to romanticize him as the Adjuster, the more it puts him in real danger. We should only be speaking of Luigi and the Claims Adjuster as two separate people and supporting them both as such as well.
#okay gonna shut up about Luigi now#i care too much about this Italian man smh…#it’s even worse when u consider he’s going thru this with a fucked up back… in constant pain while put on trial for the world to see#like we need give the poor guy some grace#If u do want to look into something about him his goodreads and Reddit posts show more of how he thinks ideologically#regardless if he did it he’s an interesting guy and it’s best if u learn about him straight from words from his mouth#luigi mangione
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i actually love thinking about preS4 vinerva and how their relationship deteriorates throughout the season and how it relates to the clemvi romance and just violets character in general but unfortunately some people cant be normal about them so instead i just gotta keep it to myself
#childhood friendship to romance with a tragic ending thats about accepting new love like i just think thats fun and interesting#the whole point is violet moving on from minerva!!! which is why her bad route is about wrongly putting her faith back into minnie#and goes BLIND!! do you Get It??#(which she later apologizes to clem about recognizing she reacted poorly. and clem accepts her apology and admits her own blame in it)#but no. “violet never got over minnie” and minnie being an evil demon as far as the eye can see#maybe theyre actually both complex and layered characters who have been through traumatizing events that made them act accordingly 😱#no... that cant possibly be it... they must just be evil teenage girls...#violet ever loving minnie at all is treated like a crime by some people god forbid she struggle with those feelings 🙄#every time i post art of the 3 of them i get at Least one person saying Some Shit 😑 and its really annoying#heard my clemviminnie pride art got reposted to reddit. Fear.#and when i went to find it i saw vi lost to ben in the 2nd round of a “best written character” poll. and i knew i could never go back there#twdg#it speaks
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my biggest fear is that Jax will do something Really bad (intentionally or unintentionally) to a beloved character bc I will probably end up defending his ass against the entire fandom. My track record with defending horrible fictional people like my life depends on it is NOT good.
#Sighs so heavily#Shoutout to chara kokichi c!dream agatha#Its those green and purple bitches#They always get me#Im just scared. Im scared its gonna be exile all over again.#Guys do you know how insane it felt to be a c!dream stan watching exile happen real time#Bc pre-exile i was really invested in the c!discduo friendship arc#And then i was watching exile real time get more and more abusive and going “ohhhh…noooooo…… ooooooouhghhhh naoooooooo”#Even chilchuck i feel like i am beating back the deadbeat dad / shitty husband allegations with a BROOMMMM. LIKE YOUVE GOT HIM ROOONGGGGGG!#Agatha is charming and cute so most of her hate is just from misogynistic men on Reddit And that particular section of hardcore Wanda stans#Neither of which are places I frequent so. Got lucky there. Everyone loves her weeeeooooo aS DEY SHOULDD#Chara. I genuinely think ppl just mischaracterize them. Idk i was abused as a child and reacted similarly to the way they reacted#So i get rly protective over them i wont even lie. Like theyre not a bad kid they’re just mental illness.#kokichi…..yeah. Yeah.#I will never be free of him. Sad!
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You know what has always seemed funny to me is that Mello has some kind of relation with fire (the explosion and then the fire in his death), and at the same time, his real name is the same one of the arcangel known for having a flaming sword (even tho never stated in the bible but he's represented with one in almost everywhere for interesting reasons but no one gives a shit about that)
which i totally think is a stretch of my part because based on platinum end, ohba's vision of religion is almost the equivalent to the opinion of a 15 yo edgy incel that likes reddit too much
but still funny to me. it's also funny considering the name literally means "who is like god?" because, technically speaking, michael will never be like god, he's the protector and fighter. his name is almost the statement "no one will be like god" which I think is funny considering that the one who tried to be like god was cast out to hell, like u know, the good-looking angel that in some depictions is actually a very manipulative entity that convinces some angels to get into his side and fight with him and was defeated by this said arcangel
that's very funny to me
#i could go on and go about this but yeah no. i do like a lot the meaning of his name and what represents#the atheism in platinum is so bad it almost made me go catholic again. it's a reddit atheism (“god is like santa claus”)#i really really like all the meanings and how you can play with mello's real name if you try hard enough and aim for the stars#near's too. if you do the same. and i WILL. putting the catholic knowledge in action.#alsoo it's so funny to me that in paradise lost (not bible canon but still very VERY really known) Michael is a lil bitch.#he's the one who casts adam and eve out of eden and he's like “MAYBE if SOMEONE hadn't eaten the FRUIT” which I think is very mello coded#he's like sad for them like two seconds and then he's like “lmao this happened because u're stupid” and points and laugh#technically not that but shush. he is still like “dude. adam. it's fine u can make ur life out of here..stop crying lmao”#it's like dante in the divine comedy when he's sad for people at first and then in like the third circle he's like “hahaha stupid”#“you're suffering? GOOD. this is what you get for being GAY. i dont give a shit your suffering. do you know what's happening in Florence?”#satan in paradise lost to the other angels is like “aren't you tired of being nice? don't you wanna go apeshit?”#“the other day saw god drinking the last of the milk and putting the carton back in the fridge :/ idk man doesn't sound too heavenly to me"
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day 71 of asking why reddit has suddenly become convinced that the 'finn and mat's rhuidean trip are a waste of time and easily cut, and that season 3 will obviously feature him splitting off from the friends he just reunited with in order to spend the entire season dicking around with thom and getting into shenanigans, as that is much more important to his overall character arc than his 2-book waste arc
like there have been SO MANY posts like this lately and all of them are filled with comments of universal agreement! am i having a stroke? what the hell is going on???? i'll admit mat doesn't have a huge amount of specific stuff to do in the waste aside from rhuidean, but rhuidean is crucial to his character and s2 had Mat-Finn Connection Foreshadowing out the wazoo, plus the waste plotline is MUCH more fertile ground for creating additional Specific Mat Stuff and enhancing his character development & relationships with other main characters than his TDR plotline of dicking around with thom is.
#and don't even get me started on them insisting the girls will waste half a season going back to the tower#or even that egwene's whole waste arc is pointless so she should be transported into the tower coup plotline instead#like hello?????#day 7000000001 of me being grateful reddit is not responsible for adapting the show bc most of their ideas are complete shit lmao#i think the root of the issue is that they do not understand that mat's and the girls' s2 plotlines#were amalgamations of their TGH and TDR plotlines that event-wise were mostly TGH (mostly invented in mat's case for obv reasons)#but nonetheless captured just about all the relevant emotional beats from TDR (and the few left can be added into their TSR events)#and so they keep being like 'okay so their TDR events haven't happened yet so that's gonna be happening next season' no it isn't???#we've moved on from that my buddy that ship has sailed (bar stone of tear which i do think we'll see in a future season)#'but emily why do you care so much that other people are making bad theories' i don't KNOW it just makes me ANGRY djkfjg#they'd better release s3 promo pics of mat and egwene in the waste asap just to put all this absurdity to rest!#wot#wot book spoilers
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Good timezone, Darya! The Brobecks are back
???? The Brobecks are Broback???? Where are you getting this info anon, what.
#there's nothing on Dallon's ig#and i genuine don't think he'd want to go back to that - that wasn't such a fun time for him#the idkhow reddit also doesn't say anything so...?#where are you getting your info? what kind of exclusive knowledge do you possess 🥺 cus if this is true.... 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺#darya answers#anon ask#the brobecks
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Hhhhhh I wanna do a dnd campaign so baddddd but I don’t have enough friendsssss
#help me my heart can’t take it#I have so many ideasssss#hhhhhhhhhhhh#AND THE YOTUBE ALGORITHM CONSTANTLY RECCOMENDING DND CONTENT IS NOT HELPING#I cri#because I just wanna do the thing#and like I could go on Reddit or something to ask around and see if anyone wants to dm for me and my friend#and maybe even find some more players for a campaign#but like there’s no reliable way to tell if they’re gonna be chill about it or not#and I’d feel guilty for not knowing Jack shit about actually playing#hell my characters aren’t even fully made because I don’t know how to do this shit#I just know what sounds cool#i stare into the void but it doesn’t stare back because I have no dm to narrate the void’s actions#randum thots
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official rip to my drawing tablet, goodbye my old friend you never really worked in the first place but illl miss u anyway lol
#i mean its almost a decade old and the port has been loose/partially unresponsive for half of that so i knew this day would come#i didnt have the drive to draw anyway but now i REALLY cant tell myself im gonna post stuff jlksdjflka#maybe if i go back and clip old wips idk#sad day but what can you do! ill try to look on reddit for hacks but its probably past that#m#edit yeah the repairs arent worth the cost since they would be the same/more than the price of a new one which i already cannae afford oop
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thinking abt how other wide receivers are dressing josh allen in their drip, and it doesn't even match his dopey bull in a China shop gentle cow doe eyes aesthetic... it just doesn't feel Right. it just doesn't feel like. Them. (Diggs/Allen)
#smthing smthing she might suck u but she doesnt suck like me idk#whenever diggs bought allen things and dressed him and let him wear his stuff#he'd try to style him.. to HIS style u know? the big n tall ALLEN style !!!#smthing that complemented him AND still showed there was a brilliant fashion designer (diggs) behind the idea of it all#the bucket hat that looked so cute on him and was still prada!! and diggs made an 'im prada u' joke!#the overalls...#but now hes wearing some designer rectangle shades ??#some joe burrow type thing?#U ARE NOT JOE BURROW!!#U ARE JOSHA LLEN S I R!!#u do NOT have shark eyes#if yall wrs are gonna dress ur qbs pls help them#diggs pls become his fashion designer! u always said keep the side thing the side thing! u can still play on sep teams !#who knows tho... maybe... josh might become the main thing again... when ure smoothing out his sleeves#WHO KNOWS WHO KNOWS HEHE pls mom and dad get back together ill go fucking crazy#ill make a reddit account
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some basic language learning thoughts (based on some common questions i see on reddit forums). as usual, if you don't like the suggestion, feel free to ignore and throw it out! what works best for you will be what works best for you - everyone is different. at the end of the day, if you continue studying (hours add up), study some new stuff (expand your knowledge), and practice/review some stuff you've studied (improve comprehension of what you know), then you'll improve. You can achieve that in a ton of different ways, and any way which motivates you to keep doing it is great.
What's the easiest language to learn? My thought on this question is... it doesn't matter as much as it might feel like it does. If any language is going to take hundreds or thousands of hours of study, you will probably want to have goals that motivate you to study for THAT long, for years. If Danish 'takes less hours to learn' than Thai, but you watch Thai shows everyday and follow thai webnovel writers and twitter, and don't have much interest in anything Danish (and no friends that speak the language), then Thai is going to be 'easier' because you have more reasons to USE it. If Spanish and French seem to take a similar amount of hours to learn, but you're planning to go to school in a French speaking country and get a job there? Well you have a more pressing Need to learn French, that will hopefully help motivate you. The 'easiest' language to learn is the language you have REASONS to learn. The language you will use, and keep using. If you have no pressing reason to learn any language, but want to learn a language? Find reasons. Make goals that require the language.
(Here's one from me - I wanted to learn Japanese, in theory I can mostly do anything I want by just reading/watching/playing translations, however I am the kind of person that really enjoys reading originals in their original form... so that's motivating. My recent kick to study more? A show I want to watch is untranslated, so I better get to studying so I can still watch it.) Your goal can be anything from: I want to visit X, I want to talk to X friend/family better, I want to blog in multiple languages, I want to watch untranslated media, I want to sing my favorite musicians songs easier, I want to work in a country that speaks it, I want access to more recipes in X language, I am into history and want to read a history book from X time period in X language, I want to play a video game before localization, really the sky is the limit on goals you can set. Your goals, and how much you want them, and how often you do the sub-goals (so if reading untranslated cnovels by an author you love is your goal, maybe along the way you read easier webnovels to motivate you and find more writers you like), is going to push you to keep studying. Even if your goal is 'pass language B2 test' if it has a deadline, and it's a goal connected to other goals (like going to work in a country with the language, translating work, writing better), that will keep you motivated. Motivation is what will make a language 'easier.' If you can't find the motivation, even the languages which should take the 'least amount of time' will feel hard.
All that said, I am now about to contradict myself. While I really think motivation is the biggest factor in if you'll keep studying and keep learning... there are languages which due to their similarity to languages you already know, will take less Total Study Hours to make progress. As an English speaker, it only took me 6 months of very lazy unorganized studying (half hour most days) to be able to start reading non-fiction French with only a handful of word lookups per page. A lot of that was because French (especially science words and proper nouns like places) has so many cognates with English. I basically 'had' thousands of words of French I already knew, just because I knew English. It took about a year to read fiction books in French only looking up a handful of words per page, for 'general main idea' comprehension. When studying Chinese, it took me also about 12 months to read fiction, look up a handful of words, and understand the 'general main idea.' But I was studying 2 hours a day. So I studied around 182.5 hours to read French fiction with word lookups, and 730 hours to read Chinese fiction with word lookups. And the Chinese also took longer to learn to read with NO word lookups, since there was no english-cognate carryover to sound-out and over rely on like with French. (Although at a wonderful certain point, you know enough Chinese hanzi that new words are built of mostly hanzi you know, and you can use that to guess the gist of a LOT of new words when extensively reading with no word lookups - that happened for me at about 2 years). My point is: Chinese DOES take more hours of study to reach language skill milestones as an english speaker, compared to French! It took me the same amount of months, because I studied Chinese more hours per day (to make up the difference - and I had a better study plan with Chinese). But if you are a total beginner, and unmotivated and KNOW you will study maybe 1 hour per day and probably not more, then learning a language that is more similar to one you already know WILL take less study hours total to reach skill milestones. And that will hopefully be motivating.
(Another example: I spent 3 months of 1-2 hours a day studying Spanish, and can read Spanish nonfiction - thanks to the similarities to French and English. I can read fiction too but it requires word lookups. Japanese, due to kanji, also got 'easier' to read once I had learned more Chinese hanzi. So if your goals include learning languages with some similarities, then once you learn some of those similarities it will make future learning 'faster.')
I spent a month once studying Esperanto (a constructed language). Do I ever use Esperanto? No. Did I find the experience helpful? Yes. Because Esperanto is designed to be fairly easy for european language native speakers, has no exceptions, it had 1. a lot of similar-words to english so I could practice 'guessing similar words' (a skill I'd use a lot with French and Spanish later), 2. practice guessing what word endings mean grammatically (since Esperanto has no exceptions the grammar patterns are much more obvious than say grammar patterns in French). 3. Practice recognizing spelling to sound connections. Those 3 skills are useful in learning any language, but natural languages will have more exceptions to the patterns.
After spending a month on Esperanto, I saw HUGE progress after studying a few hundred words, noticed a huge amount of grammar patterns and how to notice them, and just generally got the experience of 'this is what skill milestones feel like.' Later, when studying French, I used that experience to recognize French word endings and what they tend to indicate, word functions, patterns in pronunciation, guessing with cognates/similar words, and I knew what the first 'milestones' I was aiming for would be. In a similar pattern: French milestones took me a few months each to hit, so when I studied Chinese later and it was taking 2-3 times as much study time... I knew which milestone to expect myself to 'work toward' and achieve next, and knew what making progress should feel like (even if it felt like it was moving slower) so I didn't give up. I was aware that Chinese language skill milestones might 'take more hours' so I didn't panic when it was taking me almost a year of reading graded readers in Chinese to move on to simple webnovels, whereas in French I'd only been reading graded readers for half a year before I felt ready to move on. I knew the general process, because I'd done it before in a shorter timespan with French, with Esperanto.
Is Esperanto useful to you? Only you know that. I personally did not find it useful in general for me, and didn't continue to study it. But it did teach me 'how' to study a language, what progress to monitor, and gave me the confidence that I was capable of learning.
If you really feel you're incapable of learning any skill in a new language, then spending some time on a language more similar to what you already know (if possible - a language you have motivating goals with), may help you see you are capable and can learn. An addition to this: spend a LOT of hours studying as a beginner, if lack of progress demotivates you. Once you push past the beginner stage, you'll be able to do goal-related things in the language you study and that will keep you motivated. But in the beginning, progress feels slow and you feel very confused. So the more upfront studying you do, the quicker you will push through that hard-to-motivate stage.
Is learning a language that is more similar to ones you know going to take less hours of study? Probably. But either way, motivation over hundreds or thousands of hours, for years, is going to be needed. So the goals you wish to achieve will be more important in your success, rather than how many 'hours' it will take.
What do you do if you get demotivated that it's taking SO LONG to hit the next language skill milestone? Fair concern. I got demotivated OFTEN by how much longer it took to reach milestones in Japanese compared to in French. First: try to keep perspective. It's normal for it to take more hours to understand certain things, if the language is not very similar to ones you know. You have to build a bigger foundation of understanding for lots of totally new stuff. Second: you're going to hate me but I'd suggest upping the study hours per day (or week). Studying Chinese RARELY demotivated me, despite it taking more actual hours of study to hit milestones compared to French, and why? Because I increased my study time for Chinese so I was still REACHING milestones in a reasonable amount of months (very similar to the months it took to hit French milestones). 2 hours a day of Chinese study was more than 1/2 an hour of French study, but 2 hours was doable. And it meant I still got to watch shows and read within a few months, and watch/read without looking many words up (depending on difficulty) by the end of year 1. Once you are doing the goals or sub-goals you have, it becomes so much easier to stay motivated. Once I could watch cdramas before they got translated, or read any novel I wanted using Pleco or Readibu to help? It was very easy to stay motivated and do things I WANTED to do in chinese. From there it was just practice/learn using activities I had the goal of doing.
Finally, similar to the suggestions above, if you find yourself in a motivation rut what can you do? I personally try to do 'study sprints' when I'm getting demotivated and need to see significant progress. What I do is pick a small goal, then spend 1-2 months studying as much as I can to improve in that goal. Suggestions: A beginner may make the goal to study the alphabet, a pronunciation guide, and 300 common words and see how far they get by the end of the month. (If at the end of the month the pronunciation is easier to hear and alphabet is easier to read then they succeeded - and they likely will). Another beginner may make the goal to read graded readers 1 hour per day or more all month and see how much they can read. (If the first graded reader they read is easier to read at the conclusion of the month, such as less unknown words or faster reading speed, then they succeeded - and they likely will see progress). A beginner/intermediate learner into flashcards might try to study as many flashcards in Anki as they can for a month. An intermediate learner may pick an audiobook and try to listen to AS MANY chapters as they can in a month, or may pick a novel and look up every unknown word while reading for 1 hour per day or more, until the end of the month. The idea is to pick a goal where you KNOW you're current skill level, work HARD on studying to improve that skill for a month, and then try to do the skill again and see how much progress you've made. I find it very motivating. It can take months to broadly notice progress milestones like managing to improve in your overall reading skill to tackle more difficult novels. But it can take just A MONTH to learn a few hundred new words and make the current novel you're reading become much EASIER to read, or the current show you're watching to become much EASIER to follow, or for the listening skills you're struggling with to become much more instant and reliable.
Example: one of my most recent sprints was to improve my Chinese listening skills. So for a month, I listened to audio flashcards of chinese-english sentences audio, and audiobook chapters (re-listening to each chapter a few times). I saw progress in 1. The audiobook got easier to understand over time, and 2. I tried watching a cdrama I've watched before, only this time I watched it without any subtitles, and it is now much easier to quickly comprehend and follow the lines (even without chinese subs). A sprint I did after a 2 year funk with minimal japanese progress was to cram study 2000 words in memrise Nukemarine's LLJ decks (took 3 months) then try to play a japanese video game I'd tried playing before the sprint. Another japanese sprint I did was listen to japaneseaudiolessons.com free lessons for a month, to work on improving my listening comprehension and recognition of word-order faster, and it did really help with seeing an improvement in those things.
As a beginner, I think the sprints can help with staying focused on small achieveable goals and seeing your progress (like reading daily, watching a show daily, studying X new words daily, going through a chapter of a grammar book weekly, etc). And then as you get farther and can actually do some of your sub-goals, can help with pushing yourself to some significant improvement in a particular area. (Like if you reached a sub goal of reading easy webnovels, it might be a month where you read a webnovel with more unique words that's 'harder' and look all unknown words up, and by the end of the month you see that medium-difficulty webnovels now feel as easy as the 'easy' ones did at the start of the month).
And then... if you study like me, which tends to be periods of a LOT of study followed by lulls where I might watch/read/listen to the language but not do much active study, then the sprint goal months tend to help cram in 100 hours of study every so often. So that you'll still (on average through the year) have studied 1-2+ hours a day. I do not focus well, and sprint goal months along with more relaxed months where I just watch/read/listen to stuff when I feel like it, is the only way I can get myself to study regularly. If you can consistently study daily, then sprint goal months can help you make Significant progress in a very specific area if some slow-progress area has been demotivating you. (And you can turn the sprint goals into challenges with friends, or tests to see what study methods work great for you versus bore you).
#rant#study plan#study suggestions#i mentioned this before but#i really recommend studying at least 1-2 hours a day#if you're a beginner i even more strongly am insisting you try to get in the habit of 1-2 hours AS MUCH AS YOU CAN#beginners tend to waste more time not knowing WHAT to do#so you'll see slower progress than others#so the more hours you put in as a beginner the quicker you will LEARN what works best for you#and then your progress will become more aligned with other people's progress#if you study 15-30 minutes a day it will potentially take YEARS to see small milestones of progress and you may well get very demotivated#i really messed up by studying French only 30 minutes a day. if i could go back#i wouldve studied French at LEAST 1 hour a day like i did with spanish#also. as a busy adult with a lot of stuff to do: i really recommend AUDIO study resources if u cannot fit 1-2 hours of study-only time#into your schedule. with an audio resource you can fit at LEAST an hour#of study into commute to work/grocery shopping/doing chores time fairly doably.#and even fit audio study into something you do while browsing tumblr or reddit for hours...
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