#Christine Mboma

[jerrycummblr]

It's really simple. If you're born with a vagina and you naturally have elevated testosterone levels, you're a man. If you have a vagina and you take testosterone, you're a woman. But also if you have a vagina, you'll never be a man. But also if you have higher testosterone then you were never a woman. Woman never yes man a vagina testosterone no was an elevated. Vagina man.

[blackqueernotables]

Christine Mboma: first ever Namibian woman to win a women's Olympic medal and broke the world under-20 and African senior record.

[yourdailyqueer]

Christine Mboma

Gender: Female

Sexuality: N/A

DOB: 22 May 2003  

Ethnicity: Namibian

Occupation: Olympic sprinter

Note: Is Intersex

[pmrashford]

Remember when I said TERFs are nothing more than white supremacists (barely) in disguise?

They got a victory in banning cis-women from women’s athletics. Weird though how the ban and its phrasing only applies to three active Black female athletes.

Things like this will keep happening because their standard for what a woman is a white woman and will never account for the biological variables that exist within other races. That is intentional and will always exist because the basis of TERFism is white supremacy.

But we’re protecting women’s sports. Yeah sure, you fucking bigot.

And as always, if you’re a TERF or believe any of their ideologies get off my blog and block me before I find and block you.

[kiramoore626]

New Regulations From World Athletics Require Christine Mboma to Undergo Hormone Therapy

New Regulations From World Athletics Require Christine Mboma to Undergo Hormone Therapy The Namibian runner must suppress her natural testosterone levels for six months or stop competing altogether.

[becomingpart2]

Well maybe she's just better than you, idiot!

[theivorybilledwoodpecker]

Does anyone remember these cases? Caster Semenya, Dutee Chand, Christine Mboma, Aminatou Seyni, Maria José Martínez-Patiño, and Beatrice Masilingi are all cis womem who have been disqualified from certain professional races because their bodies naturally produce more testosterone than is considered normal in a medical sense.

This is a condition they were born with. But rules regarding high testosterone levels say they "do not qualify as female" for the purpose of these races.

This isn't strictly transphobia, but neither can one say it's unrelated. It's misogyny. (And while white women have experienced this, it seems most people who get disqualified are people of color, so I don't believe for one second racism isn't involved.) It's saying that to be a woman, you need to fit into a box. It's saying if you don't meet a checklist of qualifications, you are "other."

Anti-trans laws hurt anyone who wants to live in a peaceful, tolerant society.

[theforesteldritch]

Reading about how intersex athletes have been treated is so fucking horrible. The countless lies and human rights violations. The discrimination and how it's ruined the lives of so many people is so awful. There has been no apologies from any athletics comptetions or organizations. They have blood on their hands. Just a tw for intersexism and mental health issues and suicide in the next paragraph because it can get pretty heavy.

Annet Negesa, who was a middle distance runner. She was suddenly barred from competing due to her hormones. No one told her why. She was then told she needed to take medication to lower her testosterone, then what she was told was switched. She was lied to about a surgery that she was told was like an injection and would let her compete again. She woke up with scars and had had a gonadectomy. That violation of basic human rights and medical ethics combined with inadequate postsurgical care basically ended her career. She deserves justice. She deserves apologies from the Olympics and everyone single doctor who was involved in it, and compensation and the promise that it should never have happened and will never happen again. She. Needs. Justice.

Pratima Gaonkar needs justice. She was a rising track and field star. After forced sex verificatiom she killed herself. The way media and news treated her after her death was disgusting. She deserves and needs justice. Her family deserves justice.

Santhi Soundarajan had her medals stripped and was treated as an outcast after forced sex verification showed she had androgen insensitivity syndrome. She was treated as an outcast, her gender was mocked. She's spoken out about how much discrimination she's faced, and how badly she's been treated. She now works as a coach, but was barred from competing. She deserves justice.

Caster Semenya deserves justice. Francine Niyonsaba deserves justice. Margaret Wambui deserves justice. Barbra Banda deserves justice. Beatrice Masilingi and Christine Mboma deserve justice.

The racism and intersexism and horrible human rights violations and medical abuse these women have faced for the supposed crime of being intersex and good at a sport is horrible. They deserve justice, but the organizations that perpetuate these atrocities don't seem to care. It's so fucking horrible.

[lesb0]

the thing about Imane Khalif, Caster Semenya, Brittany Griner, Christine Mboma, and other women/nbs/trans with the "wrong sex development" who I love and date and prioritize to the highest degree, is that their gender experience is 100% sociologically determined. People who have a vagina and also testosterone and havent conformed to be digestibly feminine enough will all face the most extreme and violent forms of misogyny and homophobia possible, as a penalty for their incorrect external performance of femininity. and it is femmes responsibility to assuage them and deflect the aggressiveness of the outside world.

[cateyedfox36]

It's already effected African cis women. Never forget you scratch a transohobe and a racist sack of shit bleeds.

So World athletics trans women are now BANNED from women's sports... And now Caster is on TIGHTER rules. So women cis/intersex/trans with higher T can't play women's sports

I said consistently this would affect cis women too. Did they care? Nope.

I feel terrible for Caster 💔 she’s been treated so fucking terribly.

[gandalfsbignaturals]

very few people, if any, are trying to say that being tme automatically makes you an oppressor, which is something i feel like you're hung up about. what were saying is "this small group of people are directly affected by society's transmisogyny, and the vast majority of people (everyone else) is not"

afab gnc/butch women were not the subject of countless upon countless "man in a dress" jokes, or jokes where the punch line is someone throwing up because they learn a lady has a penis. yeah they might receive misdirected violence, but they also experience their own oppression that's not transmisogyny.

transmisogynistic violence directed at butch women is not "misdirected." it is very much ending up on its intended target.

when i was in middle school, there was a common rumor spread around that lady gaga was secretly a tranny. "shes not a real woman, she has a dick!" they would cry. around the same time, similar rumors were circulated about first lady michelle obama. years later, in 2021, christine mboma and beatrice masilingi have been banned from competing in the olympics due to their supposedly higher than average testosterone levels.

these people are very much intended targets of transmisogyny. they are performing womanhood wrong somehow. lady gaga because she dresses weird and her voice is kinda deep. michelle obama because her arms are just a little too muscular and her skin is dark. christine mboma because shes too athletic and, coincidentally, also black.

transmisogyny does not exist to oppress only trans women specifically. it exists in order to preserve the definition of womanhood as the white, christian ideal of womanhood. this has always been the case, and choosing to pretend that nobody but trans women is affected by these societal forces is shortsighted at best.

[mithliya]

https://www.tumblr.com/competentwoman/714142792908193792

thoughts?

leave it to TRAs to spew the most ice cold, ignorant takes without actually reading into what they criticise (beyond the header, of course)...

So for this cisgender woman with naturally high testosterone (and/or an intersex condition, I do not know her specific condition and it's honestly none of my business)

it takes one quick search to find out that yes, christine mboma is intersex. it also takes a quick search to find out that not every intersex athlete is impacted by these rules. the ones impacted are intersex women with XY chromosomes and testosterone levels above 3 nmol/L, and a list of specific intersex conditions.

has to be be forced to take the same testosterone suppressing medications that these same competitive regulatory committee said wasn't good enough to suppress trans women's testosterone to allow them to compete in women's sports.

its ironic the same people who pretend to care for intersex people are the same ones making false equivalences rooted in intersexism. yes, a literal male who decided to transition is not the same as an intersex woman with XY chromosomes. intersex conditions affecting those that are genetically male but assigned female affects the way their body reacts to testosterone. someone who had a normal male puberty vs an intersex woman whose body does not process testosterone normally and thus did not have a normal male puberty are obviously completely different things. these intersex women have female bodies and genitalia, their bodies developed this way because their body did not undergo the puberty that non-intersex males like trans women have.

If she has naturally high testosterone, similar to that that trans women experience in their lives pre-transition then wouldn't she have the same advantages that a trans woman supposedly inherently has and can not be corrected with said testosterone suppression?

no, because trans women did not simply have 'naturally high testosterone', they had testosterone within the male range, experienced male puberty, have male biology, and their bodies process testosterone the way any average male body would. intersex women can have high testosterone that still isnt within the male range, have female biology, and their body does not process testosterone the way any average male bodies would. for this reason, a male that transitioned after puberty and an intersex woman who simply has higher testosterone and XY chromosomes are not the same category. the intersexism in this post is off the charts

Like, no one should have to undergo forced medical treatment to be able to compete or to make it "fair" for their competition. Other athletes have all kinds of natural advantages, like Michael Phelps having an abnormal wingspan and larger lungs and heart. In fact, every high level athlete has some kind of physical advantage, that's how they're such high level athletes. You think the people they beat out for their spots just, what, didn't work as hard? Didn't grab those bootstraps tight enough? Fuck no.

this is such a false equivalence. yes, atheltes are already all outliers. in fact the regulations created already consider outliers bc the testosterone levels expected are way higher than that of the average woman. we can sit here debating all day over how actually athleticism in itself is unfair but at the end of the day, theres a reason the women's sports category was created and it was to include women who naturally are disadvantaged in terms of speed & strength when compared to men. arguing that there's no kind of unfairness and no one should have to undergo any kind of criteria to be able to compete is beyond ridiculous, as well as ignorant.

that said, i dont know if the regulations for intersex athletes have undergone thorough enough research and investigation and i think that world athletics needs to look deeper into that and see if making blanket categorical exclusions of intersex athletes isn't the wisest due to heterogeneity within those intersex conditions.

this person is clearly ignorant and doesn't know what they're talking about, at all, and they admitted to this from the beginning. and yet people blindly agreed w it lmao

[jellyfemmedyke]

Hmmm :/

[mintincense]

World Athletics puts limit on testosterone in female athletes' blood

as you may have already heard, the World Athletics Council has issued new guidelines where female athletes' testosterone must be below a certain margin for them to be able to compete.

the statement explicitly mentions that this was done in the efforts to ban trans women "who have been through male puberty" from competing.

however, as the statement said "there are currently no transgender athletes competing internationally in athletics". so, despite the media's framing, this ban seems to affect cis women who are/may be intersex much more, at present, than trans women.

athletes such as Caster Semenya, Christine Mboma and Francine Niyonsaba, who are cis women that are intersex, have previously ran into issues with similar guidelines, as their naturally elevated testosterone levels have been framed as an "unfair" advantage.

it seems that natural advantages, such as height or producing less lactic acid than most, are okay or even celebrated as long as you're white (and/or a man).

sources/futher reading:

World Athletics Council decides on Russia, Belarus and female eligibility

World Athletics bans trans women from female sports

Namibian medallist Christine Mboma reopens athletics 'intersex' debate

“I am a woman and I am fast”: what Caster Semenya’s story says about gender and race in sports

We celebrated Michael Phelps’s genetic differences. Why punish Caster Semenya for hers?

[fuckyeahilike]

Oh thank God

BREAKING: World Athletics bans transgender women from female events

Lord Coe told a news conference in Monaco: "The council has agreed to exclude male-to-female transgender athletes, who have been through male puberty, from female world ranking competitions from 31 March.

"In January, World Athletics said it was consulting with member federations on a proposal to change the rules on participation of transgender women in female competitions.

"The issue is thorny as sports try to strike a balance between inclusivity and making sure there is no unfair advantage."

Speaking to Sky News' Mark Austin, Lord Coe said the decision was made in the "best interest of our sport".

"It was a decision based on a very important and fundamental principle and that is, as an International Federation that has a vibrant female element in our sport, it was absolutely vital that we protected the female category."

Transgender athletes competing at elite level would "compromise the integrity of female competition", he added.

When asked how he would respond if a transgender athlete said the decision was unfair, Lord Coe told Sky News: "We don't have any transgender athletes in international competition, that day may come.

"But until we understand a great deal more about the science around this, which we don't, we have to fall back on a fundamental principle and that is that we are here charged with the responsibility of defending the female category, and that is what we have done."

The decision was welcomed by Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies, who tweeted that the rules around the female category should be extended to cover those competing at school level too.

But LGBT campaign group Stonewall described the decision as "disappointing" - and criticised World Athletics for "closing the door" on trans people competing at an international level.

Lord Coe said the decision was open to being challenged and was not "written in stone" - but vowed World Athletics would to "vigorously defend" its position.

He earlier told the news conference a "working group" taskforce will be established in order to do further research on transgender eligibility guidelines, including an independent chair and transgender athletes.

Its remit will be to "consult specifically with transgender athletes to seek views on competing in athletics" - in the hope of reviewing and potentially commissioning additional research.

The decision to exclude transgender women was made after a consultation with a number of stakeholders including 40 member federations, athletes and coaches, together with community groups including trans organisations, UN experts, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Para Athletics, Lord Coe said.

"The majority of those consulted stated that transgender athletes should not be competing in the female category," he said.

"Many believe there is insufficient evidence that trans women do not retain advantage over biological women, and want more evidence that any physical advantages have been ameliorated before they are willing to consider an option for inclusion into the female category."

Differences in sex development athletes

The new rules will also impact athletes with differences in sex development (DSD) - a group of rare conditions involving genes, hormones and reproductive organs, which means a person's sex development is different to others.

Some young people and adults prefer to use the term "intersex", according to the NHS website.

Athletes with DSD include two-times Olympic 800m champion Caster Semenya; 2020 200m Olympic silver medallist Christine Mboma; and Francine Niyonsaba, who finished runner-up to Semenya in the 800m race at the 2016 Olympics.

The maximum amount of plasma testosterone for DSD athletes will be cut in half, Lord Coe told the conference.

The announcement comes after British Athletics called for transgender women to compete with men in an "open category" in February.

The "open" category would replace the current male category, the governing body says - as it demands a law change to preserve women's events for those who were female at birth.

Swimming's world governing body, FINA, voted to effectively ban transgender athletes from competing in women's elite races and explore setting up an "open" category in June last year.

[female-malice]

Thoughts on ban against Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi?

The DSD Regulations do not apply to 46 XX female athletes, none of whom (even those with polycystic ovary syndrome) would ever have testosterone levels above 5nmol/L’, wrote a World Athletics spokesperson in an email. ‘These 46 XY athletes have DSDs which mean that their testes are internal, and their lack of male external genitalia caused them to be assigned a female gender rather than male gender at birth. ‘From puberty onwards, their internal testes produce the same levels of testosterone (7.7 to 29.4 nmol/L) as are produced 46 XY males who do not have DSDs. And provided they have functioning androgen receptors, and so their bodies are able to utilise that testosterone (another condition that has to be met for the DSD Regulations to apply), those male testosterone levels give them exactly the same physiological advantages over 46 XX females as the 46 XY males without DSDs enjoy.

The DSD Regs only apply to Relevant Athletes, i.e. athletes who meet the criteria set out at 2.2(a)’, confirmed Jonathan Taylor, one of the authors of the Regulations. ‘And only 46 XY DSD athletes will meet those criteria. A 46 XX athlete could have an ovotesticular DSD, but she would not have enough testicular tissue to produce testosterone anywhere near 5 nmol/L.

World Athletics has in fact done a longitudinal study comparing performance of biologically female and biologically male athletes, which we call the world records’, continued the World Athletics spokesperson. ‘Over decades, these prove time and again that there is substantial difference between the best-performing male and female athletes (8-12% across different athletics disciplines, much more in other sports). The scientific consensus is that this is due to the substantial differences in size and strength of muscles, bones, the heart and the lungs (which drive strength and power) and in serum haemoglobin (which drives endurance) caused by the enormous sex difference in levels of circulating testosterone between females (46XX) and males (46XY), which emerge during puberty.

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A country's DSD medical practices determine how many 46 XY DSD infants are operated on and raised as women.

Let's say country A raises 46 XY DSD infants as men and country B raises them as women. Should country B get more gold medals than country A?