#Canon jiang cheng

[call-me-insane-but-wth]

It's not that Wwx *assumed* that jc hated him. The narrative ITSELF shows* via exposition and dialogue from 3rd parties that Jc was embroiled in a deep incontrovertible hatred with wwx. He was obsessed with a one sided rivalry, obsessed with the impossiblity of wwx's death, bc in his mind, wwx was a force of nature that *couldnt be allowed to die,, otherwise, what was his (jc's) (perceived (but erroneous!)) reason for existing. He was obsessed with an illusion (buddhism context and reference) to the point where he besmirched his and Yunmeng jiang's image by hunting and torturing 'evil' cultivators

He kept and maintained Chenqing, but that was also to serve as a symbol of his obsession (buddhism context). Returning it to wwx, then moving on (after learning the truth of the golden core replacement), was to symbolize that jc had achieved a minor but much needed *enlightenment*.

Something that is lost on jc stans/defenders/apologists is that the ending IS a triumph for jc, all things considered. Forget the scraping at the bottom of the barrel of cherry picking of jc's characteristics and traits.

In attempting to soften and mischaracterize his actions and motives, indirectly, you're invalidating and disdaining the actual impactful narrative journey of growth and agency that Jc's character HAD achieved. How can Jc have achieved enlightenment if he wasn't ignorant in the first place?

If you consider the text and ending to be a tragedy for this specific blorbo, then you simply aren't comprehending the story and the culture that it's based on and produced from. Because the text utilizes Buddhist tropes and philosophy, the original intended audience would/should understand that the trajedy came from the lack of mindfulness from everyone involved.

Everyone is free to their own interpretation, but if you are devoted to interpreting fictional medias and mediums from a classist, individualistic, narcissistic, willfully ignorant viewpoint, then you might as well just stick to mlm content from the western hemisphere.

As an aside, the same character (wwx) yall are constantly slavering at the mouth to slander and hung up as a hypocritical, favored golden son of the author and narrative, IS being held accountable and penalized.

Weiwuxian has been *restrained* all his former and newer lives. Reincarnation is not a positive thing. He did not hit a big BINGO by being brought back. You could say that wwx, not being mindful enough about his first life's actions, was forced to come back to assauge his wrongs, and then is being punished to BE mindful (constantly comporting himself now, bc he's now the husband of someone known to be a paragon of gentility and virtue. And unlike in his first lifetime, where Wwx had the out of being a powerful cultivator, in this lifetime, he's starting from 0, and Lwj will never ask wwx to choose between honor vs principles, so wwx is accordingly entangled and chained for a lifetime.)

Jiang Cheng being described as a "sentimental fool" is perhaps one of the only rumours confirmed to be true about him. The condition Chenqing had been kept in, well cleaned, in working condition and carried on his person is a testament of that.

We see that in the scenes prior that Jiang Cheng cherises his belongings that he values and cares deeply for (he is noted to clean his sword regularly, a valued possession of his, clearly). Chenqing, giving its sentimental value and who it belonged to, was thus also a cherished item of his.

Jiang Cheng really is all bark and no bite. And Wei Wuxian was wrong to assume that he vehemently hated him all these years. His feelings towards Wei Wuxian were complicated but despite all the talk and all the rumours, we can infer from this piece of evidence that he truly didn't hate Wei Wuxian. The condition Chenqing was kept in is proof of that and I believe that was what MXTX was trying to convey when she included this fine detail.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

It was not a failing on part of Wei Wuxian, to choose to protect the Wens, especially when they were being treated inhumanly. For Jiang Cheng to demand he put them back into labor camps. Jiang Cheng in no way was ever under any threat from the other clans to make Wei Wuxian turn tail. They implied the issue was Wei Wuxian didn't respect Jiang Cheng (and we can debate as to what this means later) which is unilaterally untrue. Jiang Cheng was not ever worried about his own clan, it was for his ego of being dismissed as Wei Wuxian's leader and master.

It was not on Wei Wuxian to explain WHY Jiang Cheng should care about people being tortured when he had already won and it was expounded hypocrisy to dismiss it. Jiang Cheng was a failure of sympathy and empathy and it had nothing to do with "an obligation to his family".

[call-me-insane-but-wth]

Something that I've come to realize from interacting with the mzds Fandom and the #canon jiang cheng tag is that a lot of avid jc defenders and apologists don't even like Mdzs. Even, no, especially BECAUSE the story is straightforward and told plainly with not much room for interpretation.

The mmc was brought back to life and faced evidence of slander and appropriation of his work and name. Shrugs it off as 'history being told by the victors'. Discovers the real reason behind his death. Falls in love with an old colleague.

That's it. That's the bare bones of mdzs.

Wherefore do all of these think pieces come from? That sides with the *antagonists* of the story? The very same ppl who slandered and appropriated the mmc's name and work?

There's a lot of condenscion and pretentiousness being tossed about, couched in variations of "*I* know how to be objective and separate fiction from reality!1!!" But do you, though?

Because the reality is that the fiction you've consumed is not only telling, but SHOWING you who/which characters were in the wrong and how. Although you may not like the main character, mdzs IS 3rd person omniscient. The bias that jc stans are so bitter and venomous about is simply... Canonical unbiased 3rd person omniscient exposition.

In the final analysis, doesn't this/that mean that to you, the *author's* morality and her narrative no longer hold any value? After all, the author herself was the one to say that her mmc was morally good and righteous. So if you're calling the authors cognition of right and wrong into question, what on earth did you like about this work in the first place?

Don't like, don't read is an age old tenet of Fandom for a reason.

I had the pleasure of conversing with someone who considers that the consensual dubcon play between two consenting adults (lwj and wwx, incense chapter) to justify coercing the mmc into bowing his knees in reconciliation with his former shidi and wanna be patron (😅). Bc that was a moral failing worth punishment, I suppose.

Another post I saw that had me going ??? Was a post in which the op admitted to their own bias, but in summary, considered Wwx to be faulty simply because his 'idealism' was unrealistic and un-pragmatic, and hadn't amounted to a quantifiable sum.

Hey, forget the dissonance of admitting that the obvious plot of classism, scapegoating, disenfranchisment, and exploitation being lost on you, but to scorn a failed attempt at living up to ones principles... Isn't that also another way of allying oneself with the antagonists?

After all, scorning the 'short sightedness of rebellious peasants/immature youth' is straight out of a sneering gentry's playbook/lexicon.

So the onus isn't being put on the arbitrary and unjust laws of the setting of the world, but on the characters who dared to hope, to resist, but fail?

The narrative committed the horrible crime of being idealistic, so let's put on a sash with printed blocky letters of 'I'm being objective and realistic!' And critique a mc for daring to resist, fail, and not have the temerity to stay dead in a setting that has ghosts, supernatural animals, reincarnation, flying swords, and spells?

I feel like wwx would've been better received by this Western audience if he wasn't so... complex. I hate to say it, but I'd bet my last dollar that much of the disdain and dislike towards Wwx as a protagonist is that he (mdzs) challenges ppl's latent sexism. Ironically, from the canon jc tags, jc stans are the ones to attribute feminizing factors to Jc in an effort to leverage their defense.

[the-wind-sings-quietly]

[domjiangcheng]

The definitive, color-coded flowchart guide to Jin Ling's many uncles.

[matoirsblog]

How I love them , who would know😭💜💛

[canon-blorbo-facts]

an unusually high number of people seem to refer to jiang cheng by his birth name and not his courtesy name.

[randomness-is-my-order]

while reading the books, i remember wei wuxian’s relationship with jin ling hitting me especially hard. i was crying when the whole stabbing thing happened. but i truly adore what becomes of them and do you know why? because jin ling does something the others could never, something miraculous really––he actually unlearns the prejudice he’s been taught to hold against wei wuxian. he meets wwx, full of disdain, slowly learning about who wwx really is and it has nothing to do with wwx’s outward appearance. and when the truth is revealed, the internal warring for jin ling is plainly portrayed and even if he does give in to a hate intermingled with grief that he has internalised towards this one entity (wei wuxian was never a person in his mind, just the ‘killer’ of his parents, a phantom, before the events of the book happened), you can tell his heart has already turned, that it will keep turning and that’s what happens. you have jin ling, an orphaned child, who hated someone whom his mother loved dearly, because that man caused his parents’ death but it is such a commendable thing that wei wuxian was able to create a space in jin ling’s heart and jin ling was able to accept it. it’s the way both jin ling & jiang cheng blame the death of their parents on wwx but only the former was able to see wei wuxian clearly and actually forge a bond of love with him.

it’s the fact that if ANYONE in this story can actually rightfully hold a grudge against wei wuxian, it’s jin ling, but instead this teenager decides that wei wuxian is much too good and that having him as an uncle is lovely, after all.

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[yingandzhan]

Because I've been blocked from replying to this embarrassing post...

That is because you lack the knowledge of such a culture. I am Chinese and an avid xianxia/wuxia fan and I can tell you right now you are completely and utterly INCORRECT to think WWX was in anyway wrong to visit or indeed take the man he wants to marry to present him to his once guardians tablets. Since WWX doesn't have his own parents remains to visit and JFM and YZY technically "raised" him from the age of 9... He has every right to do what he did and only those ignorant enough to ignore such formalities would say such utter crap.

I find it amusing that the very same people crying that WWX was "in the wrong" here are the same idiots who claim WWX and JC are "brothers"... Yet conveniently forget their strong opinion on this when it suits them 🤔 Of course, they weren't brothers in the slightest and the novel shows us this. But, he was taken in by the Jiang clan and JFM and YZY are technically the next best place to visit when seeking blessings for marriage, considering he's never even seen his parents ashes.

Absolutely everyone is allowed to visit an ancestral hall if they intend to show respect. Clans were integrated into the very villages they were part of and anyone could visit, so stop all this bullshit and check your history before you spread such baseless nonsense.

Can't believe this post is supporting homophobic abuse as well... Then again they even think WWX had a "choice" of leaving the clan back in his first life and don't understand what an awful ultimatum he was given between his clan and saving innocent people... Something JC should have, and was in fact honour bound to do himself...

[beedaydreams]

canon jiang cheng has an excellent fashion sense💜

[call-me-insane-but-wth]

How do i put this... In the past, I've always agreed that Medias/mediums are free hunting grounds in terms of derivatives, interpretations, and recursiveness, but imo, mdzs is different. The expression, 'Death of the author'... After all. the story of mdzs is about real-life concepts like oppression and classism. The story explicitly details what was wrong, from whom, and the futile but morally ideal thing to do in the face of said oppression and classism.

In my opinion, the real objectivity and neutrality that Jiang cheng apologists and reformists (lol) should aspire to is accepting Jiang Cheng's character in all his idiosyncratic behaviors instead of retconning, and redistributing 'Wwx's' characteristics and narrative points towards him. Because isn't that another way of just validating the moral ideal that is Wwx and disregarding Jiang cheng?

If Jiang Cheng was no longer the young master of YunmengJiang, if his narrative journey was not rife with inferiority and entitlement towards another, if he was not someone who was able to rise above all of that (his past resentments) and come into his own once he had all the information and context (as per the canon)* then is that still Jiang Cheng?

*(which isn't to say that Canon jiang cheng agreed on any meaningful level that he WAS in the wrong for not repaying his debt to the wen siblings and, by extension, the wen remnants. I'm referring to his resolution towards Wwx and the futility of his previously deeply held resentment and blame, now made and recognized as defunct with the knowledge of the golden core in his belly)

If Jc-stans rejected the canon Jc and all his impact upon the narrative of Mdzs, to the point where they draft an entirely different version of Jiang Cheng, then isn't it reasonable to infer that what jc stans are stanning* isn't even the complex Jiang Cheng of Mdzs, but their own 'self' that they'd created in the guise of Jiang Cheng?

I've noticed that oftentimes, they'll take the criticism of Jiang cheng the character on a personal level. Or worse, because they have identified so much with their personal version of Jc, they will feel like their* vested interests have been intruded upon, and retcon all of canon so that by extension, they will feel justified and benefited.

Which is a level of meta that is disturbingly realistic.

Mdzs is a fictional story. It's a fictional story where the mmc doesn't even succeed in his ideals because the world is so harsh towards the just and reasonable. Wwx isn't rewarded for his principles. So, for us as readers, watchers, and fans, there are no real benefits. No real vested interests to defend. No real economic impact. Whether to side with the weak or root for the aristocrats, it doesn't matter at all bc it doesn't affect reality.

And yet so many (real life) people are determined to win, even though they haven't suffered a real loss at all. In other words, they seem to reject the narrative of Mdzs altogether. That the poorest, lowest rungs of society have any right to freedom and justice at all, much less deserving to be defended by someone.

If you were to observe their interpretation of Jiang Cheng, then it's the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn.

Maybe their moral ideal IS to be the prince in an ivory tower. Never questioned. Never forced to grow. Never have to develop a conscience much less be forced to consider the thoughts and feelings of others.

(Before any sensitive hearts bleed out, this post is just observational yap and speculation. If it doesn't apply, let it fly.)

[pleasegivejinlingabreak]

apparently a lot of ppl havent seen this official art so!!!

[ohohoho-nyohohoho]

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me when im in a "blaming children for feeling unloved by their parents" contest and my opponent is a jc anti