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I saw this from the female separatism subreddit & the responses are some of the biggest reasons for separatism et al (or extinction if I'm being candid here). Moids cant be reformed they are fully aware of the hell they force women to live in. MaIe achievement & happiness is rooted in female exploitation & life. Their glory days are based on our horrific days. No amount of love, kindness or facts will change maIes and we cannot happily or even neutrally coexist with them.

Main points across answers:

Many want to experiment but not permanently be women

They dont want to be in constant danger or lose their autonomy at the hands of maIes for merely existing

They dont want to deal with childbirth (& periods)

They dont want to have to share spaces with species much stronger than them with ulterior motives

It makes me go crazy seeing people give moids benefit of doubt for their evil like "maIes just dont understand", "we need to teach maIes", or claiming that maIe violence is a result of maIes struggling with (expressing) their feelings. I get that women love maIes and it can be hard to imagine that people can intentionally be so evil but it is what it is. MaIes have no problems expressing themselves, abusing women is what maIes choose to do because they enjoy & benefit from it - that is their expression.

MaIes see the same news of women being abused, raped, and killed like we do except rather than be disheartened or alarmed they're either apathetic or satisfied. It isn't aliens that's committing GBV it's maIes & maIes have no problem reminding women of this when women anger them (such as rape threats & threatening women they'll end up on the news/true crime). The victim blaming, denial, and derailment of misogyny is part of the game to keep the system alive, they know the events occured & are a systemic occurence they just dont care. Hell not only do they not care, they rejoice in it or get off on it.

MaIes set up environments that work in their favour which simultaneously ensures that women will lose. They know women are set up to live in damn near impossible conditions for us. It's normalised for women to defenselessly share personal & private spaces with beings much more stronger than them with ulterior motives for us, it's trap. It's interesting how these moids aren't saying that they'll just cover up and *poof* harrassment gone, or they'll just pick a nice guy & they'll be okay. MaIes know the net negative they are towards women.

MaIes know that childbirth is a painful process & what do they do? Demand it happens and make it even MORE painful for women. MaIes that impregnate women do not love or care for them. Pregnancy itself is dangerous & sometimes lethal, often comes with a range of health issues, to cause someone to be in that condition especially in a environment where abortions are illegal is reckless & unloving. Now imagine how sinister & full of hatred one has to be to impregnate someone and abuse them on top of that. Many women risk their health & lives to reproduce with a Y and they get abused by said Y instead of being taken care of. Deranged.

Realising that maIes are aware of the evil they inflict is one of the things that radicalised me. It isn't a miscommunication or ignorance issue, their violence is intended. They want control. The cruelty is the point. Instead of wasting time & energy trying to change maIes or hope that they "understand" one day, focus on yourself & other women (who prioritise women). Moids aren't oblivious to female pain they enjoy it. A lot of women treat maIe evil like it's a mistake on maIes part but it's calculated terrorism. I know that this will go over many womens heads as they refuse to hold strong negative sentiments about moids as a collective so if you're not a woman like that, take this post as a sanity check. You aren't crazy, it isn't all in your head.

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… “every right to be hyper feminine women”

Baby, that’s quite literally the default demanded standard for women under the scope of patriarchy

“she’s bringing it back”

It never… left

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Remember that men will try multiple manipulative techniques to turn you against 4B.

“You’ll be miserable when you’re old just like all single women!” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I’m a virgin, how does it affect me? I haven’t even been hugged.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’re all just glad you’re no longer sleeping around.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“Are you that angry you can’t kill babies that you’re no longer having sex?” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’ll have sex with you anyway, you don’t have a choice.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I didn’t vote for Trump! I’m a good guy!” Don’t care. Blocked.

4B is against male interests. Don’t be intimated by male whining in any form.

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I fucking ADORE it when women PEAAAAAKKKKK and speak their truth. The fact that i saw this on tiktak restored my faith in humanity

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seeing women come out as nonbinary and then start just dressing a certain way. and I just want to tell them that you can not shave and have short hair and not wear makeup and wear androgynous clothes and still be a woman. and the fact that people are trying to sell you the idea that you can’t look that way and still be a woman is misogynistic

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Women on TikTok are talking about 4B but refuse to read the SCUM manifesto because it’s “transphobic” and “radical feminism isn’t nothing without our trans sisters!”

Yeah, that 4B isn’t gonna work for you honey. Can’t even read a book. Can’t stop pandering to males because you don’t want to hurt their feelings. Mission already failed..

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4B

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

6B4T

the Bs

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

don’t buy products from misogynistic brands

support women

the Ts

reject toxic beauty standards

reject misogynistic otaku culture

reject religion

reject male worshipping fandom culture

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i think a better way to frame 4B is that it’s like quitting smoking. you make the choice to give up cigarettes, even if it’s hard, in order to enhance and extend your life. it’s not going to destroy the tobacco industry, but if enough people quit, it may seriously damage it. 4B is the exact same. you decenter men for your own quality of life, even you can’t singlehandedly topple the patriarchy in doing so.

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I know two men who are currently single. One is 26, and the other is 38.

I’ve spoken with both of them at length about what they want in a woman, seeing as they’re cishet and white.

They both immediately went for physical attributes. Thin, but needs to have a nice butt. Boobs can’t be too big. One likes short hair, the other likes long hair. They also went into facial features for some reason. That was the part that made me really uncomfortable as I hadn’t expected either of them to have been that focused on appearances.

Aesthetics came next. Both want ‘alt goth / witchy’ women. It should be worth noting both of these men said their potential partner can’t wear too much makeup.

Lastly came personality and interests. They both said this is the most important thing to them, but they also ‘have to be pretty’. Oh, and they need to listen.

I have some single ladies I’ve also spoken with.

It’s the opposite. They rarely care about looks. It’s about chemistry, emotional connection, feeling safe, and sharing common goals / ideals.

While I know it’s not ‘all men’ it sure as fuck is a lot of you. Also both of these men think they’re part of the ‘good cishet white liberal men’ who voted for Kamala, despite one of them not voting at all.

He’s the 38 year old. To make things worse, he’s trying to date a 24 year old. 🤷‍♀️ His criteria for a potential partner was also under the age of 30 because it means less baggage and they’re still ‘fun to be around’.

You don’t want to know what he doesn’t bring to the table. Either of them, rather. 😅

We do have a male loneliness epidemic, but it’s not women’s fault. We don’t owe you anything. We’re not vending machines you put tokens into and get sex out of. Male culture made by men and perpetuated by men has made men this way. And it’s your job as men to fix it, not point the finger at us and say it’s our fault for not wanting to be with you. Some of us like myself want to actually HELP you, but you guys rarely want to listen. You instead want to complain to us about our gender and how unfair we’re being by not giving you a chance.

We don’t owe you anything.

On January 20th, 2025 and forward, they’re going to try to take our rights. They may succeed.

Men have to take from us because they’ve gaslit themselves into seeing us as the enemy, despite having driven us away by their own actions centered around self interest.

“It’s not all men. But it sure is a lot of you.”

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"They're going to bury you three feet deep, because you've only ever been half a man" sounds like a raw ass line from Shakespeare or something buts actually from me yelling at my cat for stealing my sandwich while I was getting a drink.

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That's fair, but Jc did NOT have to come right out after wwx stuck to his guns and declare that WWX had declared that he would be the enemy of the righteous cultivator world. The Jiang family absolutely does needs family therapy, fortunately and unfortunately, Wwx has never been a part of said family and can just live a good life in the future with his hubby.

The difference between JC and WWX is not really the difference between selfishness and selflessness, so much as it is between the scopes of their altruism. Basically, Jiang Cheng is acutely aware of his own limits and feels the need to protect those closest to him—his family, his sect—rather than try to help acquaintances and strangers at the direct risk of those closest to him. Jiang Cheng doesn’t think that the Wen remnants deserve torture and death, but to get involved on their behalf would be politically dangerous for so recently decimated a sect. Saving strangers could endanger his surviving family and the disciples under his charge. His position as clan leader comes with power but also significant constraints.

WWX makes the same calculation and finds that since he is NOT the sect leader, he can intervene on behalf of the Wens and ultimately endanger only himself. WWX asked to be cast out of the Jiang clan to protect the Jiangs, and JC accepted his resignation for exactly the same reason… to protect the Jiangs. Because no matter what, JC has to put duty first. Jiang Cheng’s frustration is that Wei Wuxian refuses to stay under the umbrella of his protection, and goes where he cannot follow.

Does that mean JC is entirely selfless? Of course not. I’ll get into JC’s various self-sabotaging actions later, but for now let’s leave it at this: after he becomes sect leader, all of his choices are constrained by that deeply ingrained obligation.

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Honestly I feel that we wwx stans are a bit too respectful, we should probably start being as insufferable as jc stans so that people finally know what the novel was actually about.

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it’s the way jiang cheng could not accept yanli and wei wuxian’s sacrifices, the way he could not fathom their selflessness because each of their actions were viewed by him through a very self-centric lens–in that, how does wei wuxian taking a stand for the remaining wens affect him, affect jiang cheng? how does yanli giving up her life for wei wuxian affect him, affect jiang cheng? it’s always about him, his feelings, his anger, his grief, his sense of abandonment. the problem here is that yeah, he loved his sister and yes, he did care for wei wuxian but what are these words worth when he could not allow them to make their own choices and respect those choices? what does it mean that he’d rather try to slash wen ning’s corpse and throw the wens under the bus because he doesn’t want wei wuxian to remain in the burial mounds and see what comes after? what does it mean that jiang cheng could not digest yanli’s sacrifice and never bothered to tell jin ling about the truth of his mother’s death, letting her son continue to hate the man she gave up her life for, out of love at that?

jiang cheng never respected what was most important to wei wuxian and clung to his idea of what he thought would be best for wei wuxian. thing is, if wei wuxian had backed out, had left the wens, in some impossible hypothetical universe––he would never be able to live with himself again. saving and supporting the wens was extremely important to wei wuxian. similarly, if yanli ever got a do-over, she would still save wei wuxian and give up her life because that is what she believed in, that is what her love for him compelled her to do. and in both instances, jiang cheng could not let go of his own reactionary emotions to their decisions to respect what these decisions represented.

he spit on both their sacrifices: let the lies about yanli’s death breed hatred for wei wuxian and led the siege to the burial mounds to kill the very people wei wuxian risked his life to protect. and for both these instances, the fandom has spoken ad nauseam about how it’s understandable for jiang cheng to feel abandoned, that he is always “left behind”. but did he ever have the courage to truly stick by them? stick by them, even in memory, even in their ideals, even in their last living and dying wishes?

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Mdzs Fandom: JC suffered so much, he lost his entire family and sister and even his clan, surely his taking out his anger and resentment at others is totally misunderstood and reasonable, I relate to him so much 🥹

WN (who lost not only his sister and entire family and clan but also his literal life, and was held captive and experimented on for thirteen years as a trophy, watches his relatives die a second time, is treated with prejudice and disdain and fear by most of the cultivation world, yet despite all this still manages to retain a bone-deep kindness and humility, as well as a sense of righteousness as fierce as himself): Am I a joke to you?

This is what I meant when I said characters who are constantly declaring what they went through are put up on a pedestal for their non existent resilience. It's so easy to forget that other characters went through much of the same pain and handled their circumstances better, like WN who went through literal hell himself, because he barely mentions and even downplays his suffering.

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Some people don't seem to realise that if not for Jiang Fengmian bringing Wei Wuxian to Lotus Pier, Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng would never have been friends (or friendly). I would even argue that Wei Wuxian would be nicer to Jin Zixuan than Jiang Cheng. Why? Because Jin Zixuan at least has some honour. A scene that illustrates this better than anything is the Xuanwu cave. Who went against the Wen to help Mianmian? Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji and Jin Zixuan! And how did Wei Wuxian react to that unexpected turn of events? He praised him! (Well, kinda)

Jin ZiXuan lifted his brows, “Is that enough? It wasn’t enough for people to be flesh shields for you, and now you want live humans to bleed for you to use as bait?!”

Wei WuXian found this somewhat surprising, So Jin ZiXuan really does have some nerve.

ExR. ch. 52 (original emphasis)

And what was Jiang Cheng doing? Trying to "reign" Wei Wuxian in so that he "doesn't stir up trouble". Why did he not go against the despicable Wens as well? Let me use his own words:

Jiang Cheng warned, “We aren’t even able to care for ourselves; how do we have the time to care about the trivialities of others?”

And Wei Wuxian's response:

Wei WuXian, “First, this isn’t a triviality. Second, things like this, somebody will have to care about them, sooner or later!”

ExR. ch. 52

And Wei Wuxian doesn't say this because they're talking about Lan Wangji and burning of Cloud Recesses. This is the fundamental difference between them. Jiang Cheng is too self-absorbed to care about others (unless they are related to him by blood), while Wei Wuxian wants to help everyone if he is able to, not because he "has a hero complex", but because that's the right thing to do.

People can be friends with others while having different ideas, but when you disagree on the core beliefs, friendship is hard to achieve.

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I just saw someone say jc had "internalized classism", y'all... He's gentry, he literally has the highest social position in their society (gentry born sect heir and then sect leader), he doesn't have "internalized" anything, he's just classist.

He's not pointing his classism towards himself, only towards those of "inferior status", you know what the word for that is? Classism, plain and simple. Internalized classism would be if he was of a "lower" social status and he thought himself inherently inferior to those of the gentry. But he can't, because he's gentry himself.

Please learn the meaning of words before using them 🙏

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People like to imagine WWX and JC reconciling so easily...

As if WWX would ever forgive him for leading a bloodthirsty siege against the innocent people he gave up everything, even his life, to protect.

Also, WWX and JC at the core of their personalities are just too different. Their morals don't align, so a healthy brotherly relationship between them is just not possible, it never was. All they ever do in the novel is mostly disagree and fight. There were barely any pleasant or wholesome interactions between them.

It's for the best that they go their separate ways at the end of the novel, because literally the best thing JC ever did for WWX was leave him alone to live his (second) life.

WWX himself even clearly says who he wants-

"At the end, only Lan Wangji was the one left remaining by his side. How fortunate, then that Lan Wangji was also the only one he wanted by his side."

He does not want JC in his life anymore, nor does he have any room for him.