#CSI s2

[lilcathsmith]

Greg Sanders in CSI Season 2 - Greatest Hits

[claudia-kishi]

endless eric x calleigh gifs (18/?)

[polylabs]

“You got this.”

[fushigikage]

I was watching CSI again and it dawned on me that at first Greg was just as "annoying" as Hodges. As a lab rat, he also gave a lot of explanations (and, many times, annoying people with that) when handing over test results, telling terrible jokes and that sort of thing. When Hodges joins the team, Greg becomes more "hands-on" in his responses (although the jokes continue for a while longer).

[maturemenoftvandfilms]

CSI: NY (TV Series) S2/E11 ’Trapped’ (2004) - Wayne Duvall

[thewickedbohemian]

Thoughts on a High Potential with a lot of political points to make that also showed some positive masculinity and Karadec's growth

turbulence already gives me a sinking feeling

thank goodness the dog's okay (poison or rabies or what)

feels like shopping at my family's house

again I can't hear the damn needle drop

Oz, the patterns aren't working

Morgan looking particularly Bratz-y

making some social commentary are we (and now I'm reminded of that Elsbeth with the anti-crime app)

here comes the FBI too damn loud

you could cut the tension with a knife

of course Oz's already in the plane

jealousy, jealousy and here comes a Talk

so tell us how you really feel

dude, stay in your lane

parallel family stuff?

Morgan might take that as a challenge

okay who is she

just waiting for Morgan to fill in a gap

security is like saying the butler did it

things would move a lot faster if you stop playing tug-of-war

mystery evidence found

don't put the flash drive on your computer

what did I say

corporate sabotage maybe if it was someone else's drive...

feeling like Criminal Minds from the other side

maybe don't lead with that dude

okay who just blew up the evidence (and how's this going to lead to Morgan showing up the FBI)

Ronnie don't make this about you

you go B-team

nice making a point

talk about having faith in Morgan

admitting the dramatic foil thing and he looks as rebel-y to Soto as Morgan

I'm getting CSI flashbacks

feels like the perfect motive so what's the twist

oh, one step of the process

keep it together Ludo

found the guy and of course staircase chase

did he just...

so they're both right

cue infodump and I actually know this thing (and I'm a fellow Butterfly "I have a system!")

are they wearing the same tie

cue the tragic backstory (I think I've seen a similar plot point on SVU)

did Karadec just have the epiphany

oh myyy

just overwork or something more

people who say they're fine are never fine

#goodguyludo

not helping Elliott

I FEEL THIS with the brain shit

how long has she been in the same outfit

ohhh Morgan parallel

okay so potential suspect #3

different clothes (nice with the Def Leppard shirt and the leopard jacket)

and Morgan blows the whole thing wide open (and the dog (or rather its collar) was the weapon)

Daphne leaving the squadroom again?

shit just got real

or Daphne just Garciaed some shit remotely (along with the hacker from before)

Morgan looks ready for Valentine's day (and again, clashy patterns)

Karadec making the kind of decision you'd expect in the season finale

more-audible needle drop (and Troye Sivan song to boot) and the kids say thank you

season finale next week (guess we got two more episodes than I thought) and even though we've got a S2 confirmed (which I wish was longer than this) I'm still a little nervous though the trailer looks cool

[kitkatt0430]

7, 8, 10, 12!

7.) what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

So I don't think that I've grown to hate any character because of fandom. But.

i do think some of the fandom's treatment of Patty - kind of ignoring how badly she handles ending her relationship with Barry - has made my own dislike of her a bit stronger in response.

To be fair, I enjoy Patty in the early days of her S2 run. And I think her decision to break up with Barry was a fair one given the facts she had at hand and the traumatic experience she'd just gone through even if it sucks that she broke up with Barry right as he was about to tell her the truth about him being the Flash.

But. By writing her out the way they did, it makes it look as though Patty really broke up with Barry to avoid having to discuss her decision to go back to school with him or have to deal with a long distance relationship; which would be fair reasons to break up with him if she hadn't already framed the break up as him being a bad boyfriend when... that wasn't actually what was going on after all. And on top of that, she risks revealing Barry's identity to everyone in the train compartment with her by lying to him to fulfill her curiosity.

I'm sorry but she broke up with him. The time period in which she was owed the truth about Barry was over and she should have just lived with not knowing rather than pull that stunt.

But there's a lot of discussion of Patty that just... skims right over some of her less than stellar qualities as a girlfriend or as a cop. (Her shooting Harry was bad. It was bad when Joe shot at Harry, if at least understandable, and it was just as bad when Patty actually shot him. Honestly, I really don't think she was a good cop based on that and her behavior with regards to Mark Mardon. So her choosing to become a CSI was a good career move and one I was glad to see her make, if still concerned that she should take a few extra ethics courses while in grad school...)

Ultimately I do try to stay away from Patty related discussions mainly because Patty/Barry shippers are often part of the anti-Iris crowd anyway. So I know why that group are singing Patty's praises at expense of acknowledging her flaws. Certainly makes it difficult to come around on disliking Patty's character development by the time she exits the show.

8.) common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

The show's first WestAllen kiss wasn't romantic. It just wasn't. It was a massive betrayal on both Barry and Iris' parts to be cheating on their respective significant others in that way. And it was a betrayal of Iris' characterization up to that point in particular, ignoring Iris' stated feelings and actions for the sake of cheap drama.

It's not a good look for the main ship that their first big kiss was them both cheating on someone else. It reflects badly on the writers that they treat it as this big romantic thing in later seasons. It reflects badly on the fandom that they treat it as this big romantic thing and not the reality that it was the main characters behaving badly.

10.) worst part of fanon

I keep starting to answer this one and then going 'that's fandom though, not fanon'. *sigh* Flash fandom really does have a lot of things going on I don't wanna be around, that's for sure.

But specifically fanon. I think there's a fanon tendency to infantallize Cisco to some degree? Like... it's not something I see a lot of but I know there's more of it out there than I'm seeing. These fics just kind of ignore Cisco's bad ass moments in favor of treating him like a man child and... it's either turned into his worst moments of S1 (that he grew out of in that season) writ large or it's this... woobification of him that paints him has helpless and naive.

Neither option is appealing and it's definitely something that'll have me hitting the tab close button awfully quick when I run across it.

It's not just something that happens with Cisco, though. Barry and the others are hit with it as well. And to be honest it's just something that happens in every fandom. But it's still really frustrating to see. There's room for differing interpretations of the same character but that's... not really what this is.

12.) the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

Nash Wells.

He gets a hard time of it for not being Harry but having a similar-to-Harry personality. And the whole thing with accidentally, if understandably imo, making the mistake that leads to the Red Skies Crisis happening and the whole Pariah thing. But he's more than just the Harrison Wells answer to Indiana Jones and he really grew on me as this nuanced character.

Nash spends so much time grieving for his daughter and blaming himself for her death and trying not to see Allegra as a replacement goldfish. And in some ways, yes, he's a sort of exploration of who Harry might have become if Jesse had died in S2, but his story arc is a lot more than that and it's truly unfortunate that his story came to an end with a suicide that, ultimately, caused more problems than it solved.

I really think that if more people gave Nash a chance they'd see a man trying to rediscover his ability to finding meaning and wonder in the multi-verse despite everything and everyone he's lost.

[addictedtostorytelling]

Hello! I’m sorry to bother you with this random nonsense LOL.

While I was watching CSI for the first time in a long time something started to bother me, I’m currently watching season 3, and oh boy really? The show runners want me to believe that nobody in one of the bests crime investigation labs of the country realized that Grissom was been jealous of Sara and her handsome dumb boyfriend ? Like for real?

My boy went from talking constantly to Sara about her lack of private life and excessive working hours to calling her on her days off and giving her punishment cases, calling her when she should have been in some seminar away and making her work in a case instead of relaying on the rest of the team (I think that maybe he was thinking she would take the boyfriend to the trip 🙊) He even acted like a meanie in front of the team, Nike was dying for some solo murder cases yet he called Sara away from the vineyard with the boyfriend.

So I get annoyed because there’s obviously something going on with them, he brought a CSI the same age as the Juniors of he’s lab saying that he trusted her, a man that doesn’t give his trust way easily and nobody on the lab or his team raised an eyebrow? He was mean with Greg when he had a crush with Sara, but as soon as he realized she wasn’t feeling anything for Greg he suddenly got nicer with him! An yet the show thinks that nobody knew anything about them or even suspected and it was surprise pikachu face when they found out they were together? I know that this is more a rant than anything and sorry again, but I would like to know what you think about it 😅

hi, anon!

so re: the issue of no one noticing grissom is jealous of hank, i think it’s helpful to keep in mind who all knows what and when.

by s2 and s3 of the show, no one on the team knows grissom and sara’s pre-vegas relationship history, and no one on the team has witnessed any kind of “incontrovertible evidence” that would prove for certain grissom and sara have romantic/sexual feelings for each other (i.e., no one has ever caught them in delicto flagrante or overheard them confessing their love for each other or seen photographs of them acting coupley pre-vegas, etc.).

that so, team graveyard’s individual levels of awareness range from “totally oblivious there either has been or is any romantic element to grissom and sara’s dynamic at all” to “convinced grissom and sara used to be fuckbuddies but are now awkward exes.”

however, given that sara is now publicly known to be dating someone else, i think all the other members of team graveyard would agree, at present, she and grissom are not carrying on any sort of sexual and/or romantic relationship (even if at some point they may have done so in the past).

moreover, even those teammates who may be convinced grissom and sara used to be somehow “involved” prior to and even shortly after sara’s move have by now witnessed developments suggesting that stuff is ancient history, such as some fairly public spats between them (see, for example, episode 02x15 “burden of proof”) and the fact both of them have pursued romantic entanglements with persons other than each other in the meanwhile (i.e., teri miller and possibly jane gilbert for grissom and hank peddigrew for sara).

that so, “i bet grissom is stewing over this” probably wouldn’t be anyone’s first thought upon hearing sara was dating hank; they would only “get there” if they were to witness some evidence to actually suggest such were the case.

the question then becomes: does anyone on team graveyard actually witness any evidence to that end?

and i believe not.

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the first time grissom becomes aware of sara’s interactions with hank is likely during the events of episode 02x14 “the finger.” however, he doesn’t show any visible reaction to that news at that time as he is too busy trying to rescue catherine, so it’s not as if his team members see any signs up front to suggest he is at all thrown by sara starting to see someone new.

though we can perhaps read his subsequently dismissive behavior toward sara in episode 02x15 “burden of proof” as suggesting some hurt feelings on his part, it’s doubtful anyone else on the team—including sara herself—would see correlation between sara going out on a first date with hank one week and grissom keeping her out of the loop on his investigative activities the next.

—and particularly not when grissom and sara then spend the next several months on something of an upswing (see episodes 02x16 “primum non nocere,” 02x17 “felonious monk,” 02x21 “anatomy of a lie,” and 02x23 “the hunger artist”), with grissom unaware sara continues to see hank following that initial date.

then even come s3, when grissom learns for the first time sara is still seeing hank and starts actively punishing her for it (see episode 03x01 “revenge is best served cold”), the other members of team graveyard don’t necessarily have an unobstructed view of what’s going on.

they all have themselves known sara has been seeing hank ever since january ’02, so they probably assume grissom has been privy to this same information—not realizing he has, for whatever reason, “missed the memo” on what is currently going on in sara’s love life.

come september ’02, they have no clue when grissom hears hank send sara his salutations via warrick, that interaction marks his first introduction to the fact that maybe ~something~ is going on between sara and hank; that so, they don’t realize his heavy-handed management of her throughout the duration of that case represents him punishing her.

they likewise are unaware grissom learns the full truth of sara and hank’s relationship a week later during the events of the tom haviland case. while we as viewers are present to hear phillip gerard actually deliver to grissom the devastating news, no one else on team graveyard save sara herself is in the room then—and it is supremely unlikely either grissom or sara reports on these happenings to them subsequently.

the case itself is then so whirlwind no one probably realizes grissom’s pissy behavior throughout the middling parts of the investigation has anything to do with him having recently had his heart stomped on; they just assume he, like everyone else, is stressed and flustered by the aggressive legal tactics of haviland’s defense team.

though grissom eventually addresses sara directly regarding what he has learned, again, that moment is a private one, so all in all, the events of the haviland case probably pass without anyone on the team besides grissom and sara themselves having any awareness of grissom’s big “oh my god! the woman i love is having sex with a beefy, blond ken doll!” freakout.

two weeks then pass in show-time between the events of episode 03x02 “the accused is entitled” and episode 03x03 “let the seller beware.”

maybe grissom mistreats sara for their duration or maybe the poolside incident represents a discrete occurrence. either way, i don’t believe the other members of team graveyard have much reason to connect sara having a new boyfriend to grissom chastising her.

the way they see things, grissom calls sara in on her day off to work a solo case, then gets peeved with her for taking too long to respond to his page. once she finally shows up to accept the assignment, he dresses her down a bit for being slow to answer his callout but still ultimately grants her a primo 419 scene to herself. she is herself annoyed with him for having unreasonable expectations regarding her availability when she is supposedly off the clock.

neither nick nor warrick has any reason to read romantic jealousy into grissom and sara’s confrontation; it just looks like workaholic grissom is vexed not everyone on his team is as singularly devoted to the job (and lifeless outside of it) as he, and sara is resentful of being scolded even though she did ultimately come in at a time when she technically didn’t have to.

for nick, there is also the added wrinkle that even though he officially outranks sara, grissom seldom gifts him the kind of interesting solo homicide investigations he does her, and he is himself jealous sara keeps getting all the cool assignments. he feels he would gladly come in during his off-hours if he got some hot murder case all to himself and so is reproachful of sara for acting put-upon in that same situation.

while to us as viewers, there is a very clear “grissom is jealous of sara’s relationship with hank” throughline running through these first three episodes of s3, to the other characters, there isn’t.

it just seems like grissom is being a grump with sara because she took too long to show up at a crime scene—which is not behavior they would consider “out of character” from him just generally.

sara is certainly not the first csi grissom has ever faulted for having a better a work/life balance than he does!

all of the above said, i think it makes sense no one on the team realizes grissom is jealous of sara’s relationship with hank. i can believe nobody actually makes the logical leap from “sara shows up a little bit late to a crime scene and grissom seems mad at her” to “he’s smarting because he feels like she’s slipping away from him and doesn’t know how to cope in a healthy way so he starts lashing out with her, using his supervisory position as leverage.”

there just aren’t enough dots outwardly visible for them to draw that particular connection, you know?    

as for the larger notion of why i'm okay with the idea none of them notices anything romantic going on between grissom and sara until s7:

while there is perhaps enough evidence on the table for certain teammates to suppose one of them might be attracted to the other or both of them might be attracted to each other, there is nevertheless no singular instance which would by itself prove they are (eventually) carrying on a secret long-term committed relationship.

and absent incontrovertible evidence of that nature, i think there are several good reasons why the members of team graveyard wouldn’t necessarily realize grissom and sara are a secret couple prior to episode 07x24 “living doll.”

for one thing, there is perhaps more nuance to the situation than there might appear to be at first blush.

while it’s true until the s7 finale, no one on team graveyard knows with 100% certainty grissom and sara have been in a committed romantic relationship for two years, everyone does have their own perceptions of grissom and sara’s dynamic and different levels of insight into what exactly their history is together leading up to that point.

though some members of the team are almost entirely clueless grissom and sara have had any kind of ~thing~ going on over the years, others possess slightly more canny views.

catherine is probably the team member who is most aware of gsr out of anyone, possessed of some “close to the truth” insights into early gsr, though she becomes less accurate in her reads on them over time.

her initial impression when grissom first hires sara to the lab in 2000 is seemingly they are sleeping together (see episode 01x03 “crate n’ burial”)—a notion she may or may not be right about.

however, just due to their age gap and her own baggage regarding romantic relationships, she also seemingly misjudges the nature of their bond, assuming what they’re doing is rooted solely in sexual attraction rather than love: an older professor in midlife crisis falling into bed with his much-younger student, who is herself either using him to work through her daddy issues and/or trying to “sleep her way to the top.”

and in fairness to catherine, in s1, grissom and sara are often overtly horny for each other on the main in her direct presence (see here and here).

she then seems to think they continue to carry on a sexual/romantic relationship for the first few months sara is in vegas, only to suffer some kind of nasty sara-initiated breakup circa mid-s1 (see episode 02x15 “burden of proof”). from there, she observes grissom apparently becoming interested in teri miller and later heather kessler, while sara moves on to dating hank peddigrew.

though catherine surmises, based on grissom and sara’s weirdness around each other for the next couple of years, there are still some sticking points between them even after their “break-up,” she also supposes, since “things ended badly between them previously,” there is no real chance for reconciliation—hence why she advises grissom to try to make peace with sara at work and learn how to manage her as an employee rather than an ex-girlfriend.

by s4/s5, she is convinced they’ve finally gotten over their past fling and are able to work with each other sans lingering resentments. and by s7, she is sure enough there is no longer anything going on between them romance-wise she even feels comfortable gossiping to sara about grissom’s other supposed romantic prospects (see episode 07x23 “the good, the bad, & the dominatrix”).

she is then thoroughly surprised when she learns, contrary to her assumptions, grissom and sara have actually been a couple—and living together (see the deleted scene from episode 08x12 “grissom’s divine comedy”)!—since 2005.

meanwhile, warrick appears mostly oblivious regarding grissom’s feelings for sara (see his comments about grissom’s supposed singledom in episode 06x23 “bang-bang” and his failure to notice the romantic nature of grissom’s gesture of bringing sara the veggie burger in episode 07x01 “built to kill” pt. i); however, he does seem savvy from the very beginning to sara’s attraction to grissom, as we can infer from his comments regarding her jealousy toward grissom’s interactions with jane gilbert in episode 01x20 “sounds of silence.”

we don’t know if his sense of sara “having a crush on her boss” continues past s1 or if he ever develops any notion her feelings for grissom may go beyond a more superficial level of attraction, but we do know he is surprised to learn about gsr overall in s7.

by his own admission, nick remains pretty “in the dark” regarding all things gsr from start to reveal—a source of embarrassment for him once their relationship becomes public knowledge come s8 (see episode 08x02 “a la cart”).

while he does realize grissom will sometimes “rush cases” for sara’s sake (see episode 01x16 “too tough to die”), he apparently never alights on the real reason why, and not only does he have no notion grissom and sara have a romantic relationship ongoing between s5 and s7, but he also appears to be largely oblivious to any pre-vegas history they may have shared, as we can judge from his seeming incomprehension when the day shift trace technician dorsey makes oblique mention of it in episode 04x11 “eleven angry jurors.”

further evidence of nick’s total lack of insight into gsr can be seen by the absence of certain behaviors in him: you can bet if he, like warrick, had any idea sara had feelings for their boss, he would likely tease the hell out of her about it, as he does once grissom and sara are married in the later seasons of the show (see, for example, episode 11x03 “blood moon”); the fact he never does give sara a hard time over her and grissom’s dynamic can be taken as proof positive he reads nothing romantic into it.

the same can also be said for his persistent jealousy over the special treatment grissom proffers sara during the early seasons of the show: his consistent failure to realize why grissom so often allots sara primo cases while simultaneously denying them to him suggests a lack of comprehension on his part. he doesn’t understand grissom is playing favorites based on his romantic feelings for sara; he just thinks it’s bad management—and maybe indicative grissom holds some kind of grudge against him.

finally, greg’s level of relative awareness or unawareness regarding gsr is harder to place, as there isn’t really much direct, unambiguous evidence to go on.

on the one hand, greg is sometimes the object of grissom’s jealous behavior regarding sara early on in the show (see, for example, episodes 02x11 “organ grinder” and 05x16 “big middle”), so he could have some clue grissom carries a torch for sara, same as he. however, on the other hand, since one could also interpret grissom’s antagonism as having more professional motivations—i.e., as grissom, as greg’s boss, being annoyed at greg for goofing off—it’s also possible greg doesn’t catch on to the fact that grissom actually considers him a romantic rival.

likewise, while greg, who pays close attention to sara’s behavior, may at some point pick up on the fact sara shows signs of attraction toward grissom, he also may view her effusive, eager, “pick me!” behavior in grissom’s presence simply as her being a suck-up rather than as her wanting to marry grissom and live happily ever after with him.

ultimately, greg could fall anywhere on our spectrum of awareness from “knows next to nothing” (like nick) to “has a good idea there’s something going on but just isn’t 100% sure of exactly what” (like catherine) before grissom’s big s7 reveal.

when taken altogether, i find these various levels of awareness regarding gsr among the team members plus the relative accuracies and inaccuracies of their assumptions fairly realistic.

it makes sense to me the characters wouldn’t necessarily be able to figure everything out, let alone get all the details right. it also makes sense to me some people’s perspectives on the issue—like catherine’s and maybe greg’s—would evolve over time, given grissom and sara’s relationship itself evolves, too.

—which brings me to the next reason why i'm okay with the “no one figures everything out pre-s7” going line:

because of how “economy of information” works within the narrative.

even for as little as we as the viewers see of grissom and sara’s relationship as it plays out on screen, we ultimately see way more of their romantic development cumulatively than the other characters on the show ever do.

while each member of team graveyard has witnessed at least a couple instances of ~telling~ interaction between grissom and sara, no single one of them has witnessed all of those moments combined in the same way we as the viewing audience have.

moreover, even for what moments the other characters do all individually witness, they also don’t get to see the “connective tissue” between those moments in the same way we viewers do, either—i.e., the solo scenes, like the ones where the viewer is “alone in the room” with grissom and sara as they reckon with their feelings for each other.

all of the “between the lines” and “inside the character’s head” stuff that informs our senses of how much grissom and sara love each other and what pathways their relationship takes over the years is inaccessible to them, so while it’s easy for us as viewers to see the bigger picture, it’s much harder for them to do so.

—which brings us to another reason i can buy them all not knowing:

because of the preconceptions they all bring to the table.

each member of the team has their own ideas of who grissom and sara each are as individuals, including what their social, romantic, and sexual inclinations might be; what actions they each would and would not be likely to take in any particular circumstances; what their dynamics are with each other; etc., etc.

for example, while catherine seems to view grissom as reclusive (see her comments about his “hermetically-sealed condo” in episode 01x04 “pledging mr. johnson”), she nevertheless also seems to believe he has what she would deem a healthy interest in women, dating, and sex (see her exposition to sara in episode 07x23 “the good, the bad, & the dominatrix”).

in her view, for as geeky and antisocial as grissom is, it’s still not necessarily unthinkable he would be attracted to sara, much less act on his attraction to her—as, after all, he is, underneath all of his bookishness and introversion, still your “average red-blooded american man,” who is not above being sexually interested in the attractive young woman at his office.

meanwhile, catherine probably considers while sara is attracted to grissom on a surface level, she also, as catherine sees things, broke up with him not long after moving to vegas (see episode 02x15 “burden of proof”); that so, catherine likely believes after mid-s1, any interest grissom might have in “rekindling” things with sara would most probably be unrequited, as while sara is seemingly—in catherine’s view—comfortable accepting the favors come of grissom’s attraction to her, she doesn’t necessarily want a romantic relationship with the man (see, for example, sara and catherine’s conversation at the beginning of episode 04x02 “all for our country”); she will, catherine believes, happily string grissom along without any intention to ever gratify his desire.

by contrast, nick likely initially believes grissom has little to no interest in women and is far too much of a workaholic to even consider carrying on a dating life. then, even once he starts to suspect grissom might have a girlfriend come s7 (see episode 07x11 “leaving las vegas”), he probably is of the belief grissom would never date someone from the lab, because to do so would be against the rules.

the same guy who gets after nick for the kristy hopkins debacle of s1 (see episode 01x13 “boom”) wouldn’t likely date his own subordinate, right?

as for sara, if nick is at all aware of sara’s sometimes flirtatious interactions with grissom—which, honestly, he canonically encounters fewer of than other members of the team do—even so, he probably doesn’t read too much into them, as, from where he’s standing, sara seems to flirt with all of her male coworkers, himself included (see, for example, episode 06x21 “rashomama”), to generally harmless effect. the sara he knows is a natural tease who likes to rile the guys around her up, but she seldom ever means anything by her coquetry; if anything, she uses it more as a defense mechanism to cover up her insecurities than to actually form romantic connections.

if he had to say what sara’s “type” was when it comes to men, he would probably describe some traditionally handsome meathead who sara can boss around; he wouldn’t expect she was into grissom—and especially not because he himself views grissom as something of a father figure and may implicitly assume sara, who is his same age and at the same place in her career as he is in his, feels the same.

all of the above said, i think a big reason why no one on the team sees gsr for what it is despite it staring them in the face is because they’re all looking through colored lenses of one type or another that camouflage the view.

if you don’t see grissom as the kind of guy who has any interest in women, then it’s easy to explain away his weird behavior around sara as him just being an overbearing boss or having paternal protective feelings toward her. if you think sara dumped grissom years ago, you wouldn’t expect her to be his live-in girlfriend at present.

and that brings us to the final reason why i'm okay with no one on team graveyard knowing about gsr pre-reveal:

because we all tend to ignore that which we are accustomed to.

beyond the ambiguous nature of grissom and sara’s interactions themselves or any knowledge gaps or presuppositions in play, i think one of the main things which prevents catherine, warrick, nick, and greg from recognizing grissom and sara are an item prior to the end of s7 is, frankly, grissom and sara have been grissom and sara since day #1, and everyone’s used to them, to the point where a lot of the ~weirdness~ doesn’t even register anymore.

those two geeks have been standing way too close to each other, finishing each other’s sentences, staging uncomfortably intense staring contests, lobbing strange innuendos, having weirdly charged tiffs, being way too openly defensive of each other, etc., etc., since the very first day sara walked through the door to the las vegas crime lab.

and maybe initially their teammates wonder if anything ~more~ is going on between them than just “friendship,” but then over time that bizarre intensity between them just becomes a baseline.

while particular interactions might temporarily resurrect old suspicions for various team members, nothing to definitively overturn the “it’s just platonic weirdness” assumption ever occurs.

so eventually, everyone becomes inured to gsr.

—hence the shock when grissom finally reveals their relationship to the team at the end of s7.

anyway, i've long overwritten the point now, but suffice it to say: of all of the unrealistic aspects of csi, to me, the idea grissom and sara manage to keep their romantic relationship a secret for as long as they do isn’t necessarily one of them, even given their teammates are trained observers. they're essentially able to “hide in plain sight,” using their teammates’ blind-spots and misconceptions to their advantage.

could they have kept their relationship a secret indefinitely, had natalie davis not forced them to “come out”? probably not—and especially not given how their relationship was trending toward the end of s7 and beginning of s8 anyhow.

those kids wanted to get married.

but i can buy they managed to do so for a couple of years—and especially because they were undoubtedly super careful about covering their own tracks.

your mileage may—and from the sounds of things probably does—vary.

but i can believe the byline here.

thanks for the question! please feel welcome to send another any time.

[shrinkthisviolet]

do you have any headcanons, old or new, for the kf!Barry possibility? i am so intrigued by it, fascinated even and i'm curious about your own takes, or what's the most interesting thing about it to you?

Ahh I love this question! It’s an idea I periodically get obsessed with from time to time, and I’ve talked a bit here about how I’d write it. And to expand:

I’ve never been a fan of Killer Frost’s split personality thing in the show, and it’s not comics accurate, so I’d probably do away with it. It’s just the general colder body temperature affecting his mind (chronic cold effects are terrifying, and that wouldn’t even be as bad as this, because this is inside him), not to mention his constant hunger for body heat to try to reach homeostasis (comics-based and…also, given biology, makes sense)

There’s a few different times I could give Barry powers, though I love the idea of them manifesting during s2 and him using them to defeat Zoom, freezing and shattering him to pieces

On the other hand, I also love the idea of them manifesting during s3, the way KF’s do in canon, maybe after he’s already met his frosty E2 doppelgänger. I doubt he’d team up with Savitar…unless Savitar was Iris and they became a genuine evil duo (not the leader-subordinate dynamic that Savitar and KF had in canon, but a true equal partnership)

He could also get powers in s1, and they start to affect his mind. He’s snappish, more irritable…and most of all, he doesn’t trust Eowells (especially if Iris is the Flash, and CSI Barry’s hero worship for Eowells is overridden by suspicion and worry…especially as he starts noticing more things off about Eowells)

And, to slip in a little Barrisco, I think KF!Barry and Reverb might’ve been the dynamic duo on E2. So KF!Barry on E1 might be very keen to recruit Cisco and replicate that…👀

Maybe he becomes an anti-hero like KF does in canon—still with villainous tendencies, but using them in service of the heroes (I do usually love that trope 💞)

I also have quite a few thoughts about “what if I wrote him in the Morgan AU as a spinoff AU” (4 additional headcanons for anyone interested in that):

He gets powers from the accelerator in s1, and they affect him as per the first headcanon outlined above. And, ofc, no split personality

He doesn’t fall into a coma, and instead, decides to use his powers to protect Central City. He doesn’t tell anyone—and if Iris is the Flash here, he ofc can’t tell her. While out on patrol one night, he meets a young hero who calls themself “Sentry”—definitely a kid or young adult, and definitely in need of guidance. Barry might not know how to be a hero, but he knows how to guide people. Probably (and their powers certainly make them useful…even if he’s horrified at that fleeting thought)

Barry and Morgan’s dynamic is thus pretty different. It’s less equal from the start, and it never really approaches that. Morgan looks up to him, and Barry…doesn’t quite look down on her, but as time passes, it gets close. Even as they become friends outside of their superhero identities, she’s still very much someone he needs to protect, not so much someone he can count on to protect him

He also notices some things are up with Eowells and Morgan. Some…not so great things. As time goes on, a picture starts to form in his head—abuse? Neglect specifically? Something. He’s only a CSI, he can’t investigate that…so he drops anonymous tips to CPS. Eowells gets out of all of them, and Morgan is visibly much more anxious after that, so Barry takes the hint and stops, but he’s still pissed that his effort was futile. But also…maybe it’s for the best. Where would Morgan go? Tina raised her for a little while but gave her back to Eowells, she can’t be trusted. (Maybe the only person he can trust for such a job is himself—and he should be horrified by the thought, but…he’s not)

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For the fandom asks: 3, 16, 18, 21?

3.All-time favorite pairing?-- this is tough, cause I'm a polyshipper, but something about skizzpulse changed my brainwaves. Set pair, do not separate.

16.Fandom you'll probably end up joining?--okay I'm a sucker for mcyt, despite me currently only having focus on hermits, it wouldn't surprise me if eventually I drift into other SMPs featuring hermit adjacents like Jimmy(solidarity). I will say though I could be persuaded to joining arcane fully(watched s1, haven't seen s2 yet)

18.All-time favorite fanfic?--okay as much as I love a lot of minecraft fics, the one that I will always wish to go back in time and reread again for the first time is "Dumb and Ditzy" by TimelessTears omg this criminal minds fanfic actively healed something in me. The premise is that Spencer Reid (the geeky/nerd/autism investigator on the CSI team in show) gets the 'bright' idea that if he uses his smarts to study how to fit in with his peers, he won't get bullied anymore, so he gives himself a Dumb blonde persona. It works a little too well, and he's locked himself in this Dumb blonde persona despite being a genius. He gets a job as a secretary in a police office and in comes the Criminal minds team who are stuck on a case. Will he be able to help without giving up his persona shielding him? It's an amazing fic, the mysteries are really compelling and TimelessTears does amazing at tying up all of the pieces of the story.

21. Favorite fic trope? --platonic relationships made by choice: found family, mentor/mentee, QPRs (aka they are so beyond friends but not quite lovers it's something else) also noodle Incidents (that thing when two characters reference an in-joke they had offscreen and laugh but refuse to elaborate to audience even. I love them with all my heart

[lilcathsmith]

Greg in every episode of CSI (31/328) • Identity Crisis •

[claudia-kishi]

endless eric x calleigh gifs (14/?)

[alicepao13]

Hudson and Rex S02E17 - The Graveyard Shift - PART A

Probably my favorite S2 episode. Bring Mankiewicz back!

There's no way this won't be split into two parts. I won't even try.

Bossman looks cool.

Oh, CSIS mention.

Charlie, you're on camera, man. Look alive.

Agreed. That was awful lol

Jesse's first "television cameo".

"I have a dinner. With a woman. Who is not my mom this time". Oh my god, Jesse.

You guys are oversharers. Also, what was the point of Sarah looking at Charlie as she says it? Is she going to need help washing her back?

He's back!

True. I don't remember if I'd figured it out at first, either.

"Nobody needs to know that we're talking". Maybe you should have that discussion in private, then.

Not Queen Elizabeth II on the Canadian dollar bills. It's so easy to forget that Canada is under constitutional monarchy.

1200 dpi is... a lot. And I honestly can't tell if it's needed, the most I've used is 300. I'm not googling "is 1200 dpi good for printing fake dollar bills".

Why make Jesse stay if it's just the flash drive you need? I'd just keep the flash drive.

Yeah, definitely not you. Jesse does need to get a life, though.

Can we just agree that every time Jesse is interested in someone they should do a background check on that individual? I know what I said about him doing a background check on Charlie's barista in S1 but Jesse has like a 90% chance of crushing on a criminal.

Admiring his own work. Humility is for losers.

As always, great security, guys.

Mankiewicz picked up Charlie like he weighed nothing. That man is a gorilla.

"Who dares to aim a gun at me?"

Slow-mo here, for whatever reason. I'm sorry but I think this would have been brilliant at normal speed.

I love, LOVE the desperation in Charlie's voice when he yells "don't shoot". Whoever doesn't think that Charlie won't become unhinged if something happens to Rex hasn't been paying attention.

This episode shows that once again, Rex can become Charlie's weakness, even though he's usually one of his strengths.

"But... he's the bad guy."

That's humiliating. Cuffed with his own cuffs.

He figured it out. Point for Charlie.

"Get me out of here, I'm too cute for jail."

Wow, Rex goes wild when he hears Sarah's name there.

One of the first shippers.

The real question is, is any extra loyal to the SJPD or are they all on someone's payroll?

Bro's looking for grooming tips.

Of all the little details that made it to other episodes... Jesse's dislike for mushrooms in pizza? Really?

They forced us out of our own precinct!

No way the fake gas company dude who's actually a criminal starts with "Sorry, folks". Only in Canada.

They certainly picked quite a night for filming outside. I think our own actors would have actually died if they had to film in those conditions.

"How very Ocean's 11 of you". Well, whatever works (and isn't utterly ridiculous). I'm not sure who to blame for this. Realistically, you have to check the credentials of the people from the gas company. But if someone were to fake gas company credentials that pass inspection, I don't think that would be far-fetched.

"[Dogs] understand and respect the chain of command. I can see it in his eyes. He already feels the balance shifting". You're describing something spineless. Definitely not a dog, and certainly not Rex.

You see, that's why he's going to betray you, Mankiewicz.

Translation: We're seriously dying from the cold here.

Joe: "Everyone's gone home except the skeleton crew". Jesse: "And we're the skeletons, right?" lol

So, Hudson and Rex had predicted AI voice generators? What I mean to say is that it's kind of unrealistic for the technology in 2020, no matter what Mission Impossible says. Even now, real-time masking using another person's voice (not just using a distorter) needs a lot of things. First of all, powerful machinery. Then, training on the target's voice (something that apparently someone did with John Reardon's voice to scam people? Ew). Then you need to be able to do this in real time as you talk to someone else, without pauses that would make one suspicious. Most of these things are text to speech. Oh, and of course you need to know that person well enough to not make the voice sound like the person has gone through a lobotomy.

Did you just call Charlie, "poor creature"?

To be continued in PART B because I already maxed the image limit.

[agorgeousfixation]

CSI: Vegas: S2 EP01 - "She's Gone"

[maturemenoftvandfilms]

CSI: NY (TV Series) S2/E11 'Trapped' (2004) - Wayne Duvall

Wayne looks just how I imagined he'd look. Hairy dad bod with a thick ass.

What? You should know I would get the ass shot.

[ironandglass]

Is this Thieram/Chuck?

This is from the official s2 trailer

I'd be sorry and ashamed of the low quality but I'm not. Someone else with better access and skill can CSI enhance this shit.